My brain's all over the place so forgive me if this post is a little piecemeal.

One of the paradoxes of game that I don't understand and could use some help is:
so I'm supposed to run the same game on 9s as I do on 6s. Okay, I get the fundamental basis of that, which is don't put any pussy on a pedestal or treat hotties any differently. But let's say said girl is a "society girl", i.e. belongs to a country club, dad is a famous tennis player, etc. Surely most of you guys alter your game slightly depending on who you're dealing with, whether she's a "deep" artsy girl, a dumb blonde, a cougar, and girls on different economic scales. I'm trying to figure out what to run here.

Last night a party of girls came into the restaurant where I work (as the chef) and I went to the table to talk to them. I was doing (I think) a decent job of DHV etc...maintained a good confident rapport with them when I went to their table and they wound up in the bar after dinner where I hung out with them, cracked jokes, and started putting the feelers out there for building attraction. Birthday girl was the least attractive and the most interested, she was asking me personal questions and it was obvious she wanted to start something. Out of 6 girls they ranged from 6 to 9, the 9 being a girl I've met before and interacted with and honestly, that's an L.A. 9. This girl could probably be seen on the thread "What do you guys consider a 10". She was on The Hills briefly, a smoking hot blonde. Rich girl. I caught her eye contact several times but I'm not sure how to read her, because I've never bagged what I consider a 9. The highest on my scale would probably be a couple 8s, also girls you could imdb and I'd be proud to say I've hit it. Something is different about girls that hit the 9+ scale for me, and I'm not sure if it's me or them. They're just harder to read for me and I guess I'm not used to taking those deeper measures to escalate or gauge her interest, like it's not in my repertoire.
Maybe it's just in my head.

For you advanced dogs out there, how would you handle this situation to get the 9? I've already got 2 7s on lock in my life right now, so I had zero interest in the birthday girl, even though I was playing along and being flirty and returning some interest. I made a serious effort to not seem overly interested in any of them and just maintain a general, good humored, slightly cocky rapport with them. Some of the girls at the table come from billionaire families. Definitely a different crowd than what I'm used to dealing with. These are not girls, especially the hottie, that I would find hanging out at my corner bar.

This was last night. This blonde was enthusiastically and repeatedly asking me to follow them to their next venue to hang out but I suspect she was trying to set me up with the birthday girl, who by the time she left was expressing strong interest. I declined since I already had plans but I got hottie's number to meet up some other time. My plan was to shoot her a text tomorrow or later in the week.

So let's hear it. What do I text, when do I text. Where do I go from here. What's my secret weapon. I want this prize. Fire away!

I would bang the birthday girl who is interested in you. As a woman her social interaction is based off of gossip. She will tell the '9' about how good you were in bed, how amazing you are. Distance yourself a bit from the 9, but still keep friendly contact and flirt a bit. The 9 is going to go into hamster overdrive if she keeps hearing about the "amazing dude" (you) she missed out on and how he is rejecting her (the 9). As a woman, whos mortal enemy is her own friends, the 9 will begin to get extremely jealous and will start becoming attracted to you. From there you swoop her and the natural order is restored once more.

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:12 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

I would bang the birthday girl who is interested in you. As a woman her social interaction is based off of gossip. She will tell the '9' about how good you were in bed, how amazing you are. Distance yourself a bit from the 9, but still keep friendly contact and flirt a bit. The 9 is going to go into hamster overdrive if she keeps hearing about the "amazing dude" (you) she missed out on and how he is rejecting her (the 9). As a woman, whos mortal enemy is her own friends, the 9 will begin to get extremely jealous and will start becoming attracted to you. From there you swoop her and the natural order is restored once more.

Hm. I didn't get birthday girls number. I wonder what the outcome would be if I texted the hottie, "Hey, your birthday girl was cute last night, can you get me her digits so I can hit her up?"

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:16 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:12 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

I would bang the birthday girl who is interested in you. As a woman her social interaction is based off of gossip. She will tell the '9' about how good you were in bed, how amazing you are. Distance yourself a bit from the 9, but still keep friendly contact and flirt a bit. The 9 is going to go into hamster overdrive if she keeps hearing about the "amazing dude" (you) she missed out on and how he is rejecting her (the 9). As a woman, whos mortal enemy is her own friends, the 9 will begin to get extremely jealous and will start becoming attracted to you. From there you swoop her and the natural order is restored once more.

Hm. I didn't get birthday girls number. I wonder what the outcome would be if I texted the hottie, "Hey, your birthday girl was cute last night, can you get me her digits so I can hit her up?"

Nahh that's gay. Ask her in person to meet up for drinks and bring her friend. Never admit anything in writing.

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:12 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

I would bang the birthday girl who is interested in you. As a woman her social interaction is based off of gossip. She will tell the '9' about how good you were in bed, how amazing you are. Distance yourself a bit from the 9, but still keep friendly contact and flirt a bit. The 9 is going to go into hamster overdrive if she keeps hearing about the "amazing dude" (you) she missed out on and how he is rejecting her (the 9). As a woman, whos mortal enemy is her own friends, the 9 will begin to get extremely jealous and will start becoming attracted to you. From there you swoop her and the natural order is restored once more.

Do you think a 9 chick would be impressed knowing that he banged the least attractive chick from her social circle??

If you have the 9s number maybe invite her to your crib, or the restaurant after hours under the pretense of tasting a new dish for the menu. Swoop accordingly.

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:25 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:12 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

I would bang the birthday girl who is interested in you. As a woman her social interaction is based off of gossip. She will tell the '9' about how good you were in bed, how amazing you are. Distance yourself a bit from the 9, but still keep friendly contact and flirt a bit. The 9 is going to go into hamster overdrive if she keeps hearing about the "amazing dude" (you) she missed out on and how he is rejecting her (the 9). As a woman, whos mortal enemy is her own friends, the 9 will begin to get extremely jealous and will start becoming attracted to you. From there you swoop her and the natural order is restored once more.

Do you think a 9 chick would be impressed knowing that he banged the least attractive chick from her social circle??

Its not her being impressed its that the guy was so charming got the 9s number, but for whatever reason the guy rejects her and goes for her lesser friend. Her mind goes into overdrive and she becomes jealous of her friend and because of that wants to fuck the guy to regain the attention he once/never showed her.

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:27 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

If you have the 9s number maybe invite her to your crib, or the restaurant after hours under the pretense of tasting a new dish for the menu. Swoop accordingly.

I think this would display too much interest. I guarantee you this girl gets attention from dozens of guys per week, guys that are possibly/likely better looking and far wealthier than I. I need game here. If she was the food whore type, or food/chef groupie, I'd agree with you, but I didn't get that vibe. Those girls are usually cute asian bloggers.

I like where you're going with displaying preference toward another girl in her network. Get the hamster going. I don't think girls have the same number scale that guys do. If I show interest to birthday girl instead of another one of her hotter friends, it's not me picking the 6, it's me picking the girl that's "more my type."

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so I'm supposed to run the same game on 9s as I do on 6s.

"Supposed to..."

You're not "supposed" to do anything. There are a million ways to skin a cat. The same thing goes for game.

I guarantee you there aren't many cats out there running the same game on 9s as 6s all the time.

Honestly, I think the *fuck the ugly* strategy has a very high chance of backfiring. In my and my friends' experiences, banging an ugly girl doesn't lead to better pussy. She usually just shields you from girls she knows are hotter. The possible exception to this is in when you're in a social circle, and you bang *several* girls. Then you become the manwhore who's so slutty that it 'doesn't count' if a girl fucks you. Even then though, the first thing they hear about you can't be he banged a fattie.

I say just game as usual, send the 9 a funny text or two, then maybe get her on the phone and talk for a few minutes, and arrange a date.

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:39 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:27 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

If you have the 9s number maybe invite her to your crib, or the restaurant after hours under the pretense of tasting a new dish for the menu. Swoop accordingly.

I like where you're going with displaying preference toward another girl in her network. Get the hamster going. I don't think girls have the same number scale that guys do. If I show interest to birthday girl instead of another one of her hotter friends, it's not me picking the 6, it's me picking the girl that's "more my type."

To be frank, I think you underestimate how superficial and judgmental women are. A girl may even say she believes that, but girls tend to assume that if you're dating a 6, YOU are a 6. Same for any other number. Considering that you'd be asking her on a date, they'd consider it dating. And if you are a 6 and she is a 9, then she can't be caught dating you.

A brief anecdote: Early on in the game, I banged this girl for a bit. She was my first, and she insisted on being my girlfriend. It didn't last long. Years later, I was talking to a cute girl who seemed into me, and I told her I dated someone she knew. I finally reveal who, and she was like, "her? She's not cute." And then she completely turned cold on me. I tried saying we didn't date seriously, which was true, yada yada, but it was no use. And both girls were hipsters, not sorority girls who would probably be even more inclined to such behavior.

This may sound weird, but you might want to try to get them into a threesome. I'd try to hang with them as a group again and run game on all the girls- neg the 9, give the 6 what she needs, etc. Work the jealousy plot-line. Be the crazy guy that doesn't care if the girl is a 9 or a 6, but demonstrate that you know how to get to all girls.

Go partying with them and get them back to your house. By pushing for the threesome, you are putting the 9 on the same level as the 6, showing that you have huge balls, and concealing your true intentions.

Also, society girls can be very kinky. I know people who used to hang with Paris Hilton. Apparently, she'd be at a party, would go lay out in a bedroom, and let like 30 guys line-up at the door to fuck her.

Quote: (02-26-2012 08:59 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Where do I go from here. What's my secret weapon. I want this prize. Fire away!

Dude,

This one's a doozy, so I'll leave it to the top players who can provide better insight. I certainly empathize with your predicament and understand why you want the prize, your paid, Hills, LA 9. What's worth repeating is Hencredible's Enlightened-as-F--- comments from the other thread, i.e. not burning bridges and building up the social base to do more damage in the future in other places.

For you, it may be possible to hit the 6 and position yourself (no pun intended) for the long term:

1) Bird in the hand theory. (yeah it sucks to use the mediocre tomatoes when the San Marzanos are coming in from Naples)

2) Good business move; If you're a chef in LA, it can't hurt to have women like this in your place and liking you. Hell, if there's enough of them there I'll start dropping cash in your joint (just kidding)

3) Your LA 9 knows EVERY guy is trying to hit it. So avoiding any fawning behavior/texts is a must to keep your stats high, where they are now it seems (77 receptions/1200 yards)

4) Ingratiating yourself into this circle will lead to more "9"-type opportunities

5) You live to fight another day with your current 9, hopefully without additional complications the next time.

Good Luck.
(and by the way congrats on having groupies; I had no idea the food blogger/taking pictures of dishes obsessives were all over you guys...awesome)

Quote: (02-27-2012 10:42 AM)46. Wrote:  

Quote: (02-26-2012 08:59 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Where do I go from here. What's my secret weapon. I want this prize. Fire away!

Dude,

This one's a doozy, so I'll leave it to the top players who can provide better insight. I certainly empathize with your predicament and understand why you want the prize, your paid, Hills, LA 9. What's worth repeating is Hencredible's Enlightened-as-F--- comments from the other thread, i.e. not burning bridges and building up the social base to do more damage in the future in other places.

For you, it may be possible to hit the 6 and position yourself (no pun intended) for the long term:

1) Bird in the hand theory. (yeah it sucks to use the mediocre tomatoes when the San Marzanos are coming in from Naples)

2) Good business move; If you're a chef in LA, it can't hurt to have women like this in your place and liking you. Hell, if there's enough of them there I'll start dropping cash in your joint (just kidding)

3) Your LA 9 knows EVERY guy is trying to hit it. So avoiding any fawning behavior/texts is a must to keep your stats high, where they are now it seems (77 receptions/1200 yards)

4) Ingratiating yourself into this circle will lead to more "9"-type opportunities

5) You live to fight another day with your current 9, hopefully without additional complications the next time.

Good Luck.
(and by the way congrats on having groupies; I had no idea the food blogger/taking pictures of dishes obsessives were all over you guys...awesome)

I read the H. Casanova posts. A lot of it rings true and I'm just going to have to play my cards carefully. The resto where I work is a huge celebrity and top tier hangout. If you googled half our customers, it would be Forbes 500, most influential/powerful Americans, athletes, A listers, etc. One thing I know is that I'm not in that crowd. I've schmoozed with a few of them and my differences are glaringly apparent.
Growing up working class will do that, I guess from this point it's a matter of leaving that behind and not trying to be one of them, but actually being one of them, and I'm talking socially here. I know I won't have that kind of bankroll anytime soon.

Dude, asian bloggers are the bread and butter of any halfway decent chef. I've gone to industry nights and had groups of 4 cute asian girls come up to me and ask, "Are you a chef?" with the kind of enthusiasm you'd think they'd drop on their knees right there. Shooting fish in a barrel, in fact it's bad for my game because there's very little involved in my end. I feel like that's why my game is still at a pretty amateur level, most of my life I've gone for 7s that were a sure thing with the occasional 8. The minute I see that 9+ showing me zero interest whatsoever, I don't really know what to do...

Quote: (02-26-2012 08:59 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

One of the paradoxes of game that I don't understand and could use some help is:
so I'm supposed to run the same game on 9s as I do on 6s.

This is where you are going wrong. Game is not something you "run", is something you have.

You cant "game" girls into finding you attractive, its because of your game that they do.

What kind of man do you want to be? One that has the kind of women he desires because he deserves so, or one that "runs game" so that he can pretend to be one?

Game isn't going to get you 9's.

If it did, where are the pictures?

HUNDREDS of "PUA's" and "pick-up coaches" and thousands of "gamers."

Where are all these dorky, short, poor guys with 9's?

The effort in getting a 6, 7, 8, and 9 is exponential.

Game alone will get you a 6 and some 7's.

That's why some guys who started running conventional game ultimately disagree with other guys.

I'm the first to admit that game is GREAT for pulling 6's and 7's.

Yet I'm also the first to admit that game is NOT going to get you many 8's and will probably never get you a 9.

So am I anti-game? No. I'm just anti-unrealistic expectations.

An 8 is 100 times harder than pulling a 6, and 10 times harder than pulling a 7.

Is a "gamer" with "game" more interesting and entertaining than a guy with a villa and who flies first class or by private jet?

Because that's the choice 8's (and especially 9's) are presented with.

Even guys with swagger and confidence will tell you that getting with 9's are rare.

To pull 9's, you need lots of drugs and money - and you'd better be willing to spread both around.

From what I know, Mike's post sounds the most accurate.

That said, if you don't have the status, then you might have to just lie your ass off to get them to think you are in that crowd. Then once you are in, you still have to have game.

To pull 9's, you need lots of drugs and money - and you'd better be willing to spread both around.
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I might be able to fake this. I've got a decent ride, decent bachelor pad on Sunset strip, and I have a KILLER blow hookup (he supplies to a lot of signed bands)

I've only done it with girls that I knew were down. I've never asked a girl I was having a drink with, "Hey, let's take the after party to my place for a fat line on my marble coffee table..."

Quote: (02-27-2012 06:58 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I might be able to fake this. I've got a decent ride, decent bachelor pad on Sunset strip, and I have a KILLER blow hookup (he supplies to a lot of signed bands)

I've only done it with girls that I knew were down. I've never asked a girl I was having a drink with, "Hey, let's take the after party to my place for a fat line on my marble coffee table..."

There's no game like Drug Game.

Have you seen, "The Boys & Girls Guide to Getting Down"?

Pretty true to my experience.

Quote: (02-27-2012 05:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Game alone will get you a 6 and some 7's.

Your circles are a prime factor. The better your circles, the higher your game will take you. I see guys of similar status, game, looks, etc with incredibly varying results. What explains it? Access. Some guys have it, most don't. Those frat guys partying with the hottest chicks on campus? Good luck getting pussy nearly as good without it. Herby dudes with cute girlfriends - you know they didn't meet in a bar.

I find it difficult to just punch at my weight in a bar, let alone above it. The more socially exclusive the event, and the better the ratio, the less women feel superior to you. At something like a house party, girls don't assume you're lower status than she is by default, unlike a bar. It is far easier to consistently punch at your weight and often above it, this way.

Most guys on here ignore social circles. But fact is that's where plenty of girls, especially cute girls, meet their men. If you fail to recognize that, you start thinking you need "1%" game to nab a top 10% chick, because that's roughly true in bars and clubs.

Quote: (02-27-2012 08:29 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Quote: (02-27-2012 05:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Game alone will get you a 6 and some 7's.

Your circles are a prime factor. The better your circles, the higher your game will take you. I see guys of similar status, game, looks, etc with incredibly varying results. What explains it? Access. Some guys have it, most don't. Those frat guys partying with the hottest chicks on campus? Good luck getting pussy nearly as good without it. Herby dudes with cute girlfriends - you know they didn't meet in a bar.

I find it difficult to just punch at my weight in a bar, let alone above it. The more socially exclusive the event, and the better the ratio, the less women feel superior to you. At something like a house party, girls don't assume you're lower status than she is by default, unlike a bar. It is far easier to consistently punch at your weight and often above it, this way.

Most guys on here ignore social circles. But fact is that's where plenty of girls, especially cute girls, meet their men. If you fail to recognize that, you start thinking you need "1%" game to nab a top 10% chick, because that's roughly true in bars and clubs.

Yeah but your social circles are gonna be dictated by your SES.

If you're in 1% of income, you're going to hang out at bar and restaurant openings, art shows, new product launches, skipping lines at clubs, etc. That's where the hottest women are going to be.

When I talk about cash, I'm not saying go to a bar and get bottle service.

I'm talking about the opportunities that open up when you have that kind of cash.

It's also why I tell guys that the best lifestyle game is building a legit crew.

Friends are opening bars, restaurants, and shit.

Who gets invited to those events - other friends, investors, and hot women and models.

Quote: (02-27-2012 05:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Game isn't going to get you 9's.

If it did, where are the pictures?

HUNDREDS of "PUA's" and "pick-up coaches" and thousands of "gamers."

Where are all these dorky, short, poor guys with 9's?

The effort in getting a 6, 7, 8, and 9 is exponential.

Game alone will get you a 6 and some 7's.

That's why some guys who started running conventional game ultimately disagree with other guys.

I'm the first to admit that game is GREAT for pulling 6's and 7's.

Yet I'm also the first to admit that game is NOT going to get you many 8's and will probably never get you a 9.

So am I anti-game? No. I'm just anti-unrealistic expectations.

An 8 is 100 times harder than pulling a 6, and 10 times harder than pulling a 7.

Is a "gamer" with "game" more interesting and entertaining than a guy with a villa and who flies first class or by private jet?

Because that's the choice 8's (and especially 9's) are presented with.

Even guys with swagger and confidence will tell you that getting with 9's are rare.

To pull 9's, you need lots of drugs and money - and you'd better be willing to spread both around.

Game is about not making mistakes. 8s and 9s also go to monster truck jams. They are not limited to high end stuff. If it's like that in Cali now you need to leave. Planning a social calendar around that sounds stressful.

I say just be where they are when there's no pressure. There's a beach down the road from my house and it's a county park that's not alcohol friendly. It's also the best one in the county north of me. Everyone on boats goes to the islands 5 minutes offshore. Who's there? Big baller Cigarette boats loaded with bikinis. Who parks their boat at the county park? Me! Bikinis walk by. You want a drink? Yea you can't drink at the park but you can in the water near my boat no problem. Go for a ride to the islands? Sure. Game over! Not once. Not twice. I'm talking about the finest things in a bikini you'd ever seen. 18 years of this here for me.

Quote: (02-26-2012 10:25 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Honestly, I think the *fuck the ugly* strategy has a very high chance of backfiring. In my and my friends' experiences, banging an ugly girl doesn't lead to better pussy. She usually just shields you from girls she knows are hotter. The possible exception to this is in when you're in a social circle, and you bang *several* girls. Then you become the manwhore who's so slutty that it 'doesn't count' if a girl fucks you. Even then though, the first thing they hear about you can't be he banged a fattie.

I say just game as usual, send the 9 a funny text or two, then maybe get her on the phone and talk for a few minutes, and arrange a date.

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:39 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-26-2012 09:27 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

If you have the 9s number maybe invite her to your crib, or the restaurant after hours under the pretense of tasting a new dish for the menu. Swoop accordingly.

I like where you're going with displaying preference toward another girl in her network. Get the hamster going. I don't think girls have the same number scale that guys do. If I show interest to birthday girl instead of another one of her hotter friends, it's not me picking the 6, it's me picking the girl that's "more my type."

To be frank, I think you underestimate how superficial and judgmental women are. A girl may even say she believes that, but girls tend to assume that if you're dating a 6, YOU are a 6. Same for any other number. Considering that you'd be asking her on a date, they'd consider it dating. And if you are a 6 and she is a 9, then she can't be caught dating you.

A brief anecdote: Early on in the game, I banged this girl for a bit. She was my first, and she insisted on being my girlfriend. It didn't last long. Years later, I was talking to a cute girl who seemed into me, and I told her I dated someone she knew. I finally reveal who, and she was like, "her? She's not cute." And then she completely turned cold on me. I tried saying we didn't date seriously, which was true, yada yada, but it was no use. And both girls were hipsters, not sorority girls who would probably be even more inclined to such behavior.

Its been in my experience as well. If a 9 sees you with a 6, she thinks you are lower than her. No "Top Shelf" girl wants to be sloppy seconds after some "Rail" chick

Quote: (02-27-2012 09:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Yeah but your social circles are gonna be dictated by your SES.

If you're in 1% of income, you're going to hang out at bar and restaurant openings, art shows, new product launches, skipping lines at clubs, etc. That's where the hottest women are going to be.

When I talk about cash, I'm not saying go to a bar and get bottle service.

I'm talking about the opportunities that open up when you have that kind of cash.

It's also why I tell guys that the best lifestyle game is building a legit crew.

It's funny you say one thing I disagree, the next I agree.

I agree with the statement in green. And that an awesome crew, and scene, is going to matter more than making a little extra dough. LA is full of hungry dudes rolling in 7 Series' and broke actors slamming hotties. Parenthetically, the Bay Area is supposedly full of rich nerds with sucky prospects.

Take any element of game, put yourself on the extreme right end of it, and it will get you serious action. Looks, pure charisma, whatever. That's what you're doing with money. But just like the other factors, it's not that easy to get in that select group. Most who try will fail. Unlike getting a good physique, which is within reach for nearly all men. To the extent you can improve it, eg making say $20-30k extra, it's not going to make a huge difference. I'd put my money on a guy working in fashion making $50k a year slaying more quality pussy than an engineer making $80k, provided they have similar looks and vibe.

As for SES, it's more important who you gel with than how much money you actually make, within reason.

Actually, once you infiltrate the enemy lines and get to be seen as part of the tribe, you might have an advantage from all your experience gaming.

There's a good chance that people in high status circles have relied mostly on their status to get girls.

It the same thing with the looks vs. game argument.

I'd bet that if you took anyone of us "bottom feeder" cold approach soldiers, give him the extra looks or status and social calibration, you'd get a massacre of biblical proportions.. 9s strewn about everywhere.

Quote: (02-28-2012 01:45 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

Quote: (02-27-2012 09:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Yeah but your social circles are gonna be dictated by your SES.

If you're in 1% of income, you're going to hang out at bar and restaurant openings, art shows, new product launches, skipping lines at clubs, etc. That's where the hottest women are going to be.

When I talk about cash, I'm not saying go to a bar and get bottle service.

I'm talking about the opportunities that open up when you have that kind of cash.

It's also why I tell guys that the best lifestyle game is building a legit crew.

It's funny you say one thing I disagree, the next I agree.

I agree with the statement in green. And that an awesome crew, and scene, is going to matter more than making a little extra dough. LA is full of hungry dudes rolling in 7 Series' and broke actors slamming hotties. Parenthetically, the Bay Area is supposedly full of rich nerds with sucky prospects.

Take any element of game, put yourself on the extreme right end of it, and it will get you serious action. Looks, pure charisma, whatever. That's what you're doing with money. But just like the other factors, it's not that easy to get in that select group. Most who try will fail. Unlike getting a good physique, which is within reach for nearly all men. To the extent you can improve it, eg making say $20-30k extra, it's not going to make a huge difference. I'd put my money on a guy working in fashion making $50k a year slaying more quality pussy than an engineer making $80k, provided they have similar looks and vibe.

As for SES, it's more important who you gel with than how much money you actually make, within reason.

Mike's right on a basic level though. To reliably game the hottest girl's you'll need an income somewhere in the top 10% of the area you live in.

There's no way around it.


That said, you don't need the hottest girls to be a happy man. Getting 7's and 8's will keep anyone satisfied. Going for the 9's seems like more effort than it's worth.