Don't bother guys.

There's literally nothing that you can write that will change his opinion.

The only value that can be added to this thread at this point is dank memes and rare GIFs.

Quote: (09-07-2017 12:26 AM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

After seeing all the deep rooted hatred for women and lack of compassion/maturity from the members(apart from ski pro), i must say i am deeply disappointed. I have seen members complain about women, but where are all the men? Where is the man which takes pride in his generosity, ability to provide and doing acts of kindness. Someone who can look beyond the flesh and bones.

To all those who keep bringing up " You will find better/hotter chicks" i already know that (and believe me when i say i have had them) but my goal in life at this stage ( i am 33) is not to find better hotter chicks, but to have one fulfilling relationship throughout life. With someone one has feeling for and respect, sex is 100 times much better. Perhaps many men would never experience it to know the difference.

There are better ways to satisfy the ego than to put your dick into a non- discerning vagina visited by 50 other men.

Here's where you're getting confused, OP: you don't know your role.

The guys here aren't looking for "non-discerning" vagina. (Well, some are, but most aren't.) They're looking to learn how to be the guy who the woman actually want to fuck, instead of the guy the woman trades unenthusiastic sex with for money. We're trying to warn you that you're being tagged as the Beta Provider. You dismiss the guy she banged for free as a drunken loser, but he didn't need a six-figure income to provide for a child to get her to let him cum inside her. You, on the other hand, have to bust your ass to qualify and don't smell trouble brewing.

This happens to men every day. They work hard, treat a woman generously, and believe they're earning her love. They become frustrated after the wedding because they're still working just as hard, but she seems to have become ungrateful and uninterested. Her mission is over. She is now bored. The reality is that there is no such thing as 'negotiated attraction'. You can't buy love. If anything, the more generous you are, the less she'll appreciate and respect you as she comes to suspect that you're just desperate and that you must need her more than she needs you. No woman is strongly attracted to a man who needs her.

Single moms absolutely lure men they don't really want into providing for them, and are more than happy to go fuck the men they really want on the side, no matter how "religious" they are. Church girls slut it up every day. I know. A married one swallowed gallons of my cum and did my dishes for a while. Her husband was "nice" and "generous" and put her in a big house, but she was unfulfilled. She needed to get kicked around by somebody who didn't really give a shit about her to feel right. No dinners, no fancy cocktails, no paying her bills. This is the way of the world sometimes.

Would this woman give you the time of day if you didn't have a six-figure income and weren't going to support another man's child?

I found a touching photo of OP and his fiancé.



Really pulls at the heartstrings.

Quote: (09-07-2017 11:23 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2017 12:26 AM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

After seeing all the deep rooted hatred for women and lack of compassion/maturity from the members(apart from ski pro), i must say i am deeply disappointed. I have seen members complain about women, but where are all the men? Where is the man which takes pride in his generosity, ability to provide and doing acts of kindness. Someone who can look beyond the flesh and bones.

To all those who keep bringing up " You will find better/hotter chicks" i already know that (and believe me when i say i have had them) but my goal in life at this stage ( i am 33) is not to find better hotter chicks, but to have one fulfilling relationship throughout life. With someone one has feeling for and respect, sex is 100 times much better. Perhaps many men would never experience it to know the difference.

There are better ways to satisfy the ego than to put your dick into a non- discerning vagina visited by 50 other men.

Here's where you're getting confused, OP: you don't know your role.

The guys here aren't looking for "non-discerning" vagina. (Well, some are, but most aren't.) They're looking to learn how to be the guy who the woman actually want to fuck, instead of the guy the woman trades unenthusiastic sex with for money. We're trying to warn you that you're being tagged as the Beta Provider. You dismiss the guy she banged for free as a drunken loser, but he didn't need a six-figure income to provide for a child to get her to let him cum inside her. You, on the other hand, have to bust your ass to qualify and don't smell trouble brewing.

This happens to men every day. They work hard, treat a woman generously, and believe they're earning her love. They become frustrated after the wedding because they're still working just as hard, but she seems to have become ungrateful and uninterested. Her mission is over. She is now bored. The reality is that there is no such thing as 'negotiated attraction'. You can't buy love. If anything, the more generous you are, the less she'll appreciate and respect you as she comes to suspect that you're just desperate and that you must need her more than she needs you. No woman is strongly attracted to a man who needs her.

Single moms absolutely lure men they don't really want into providing for them, and are more than happy to go fuck the men they really want on the side, no matter how "religious" they are. Church girls slut it up every day. I know. A married one swallowed gallons of my cum and did my dishes for a while. Her husband was "nice" and "generous" and put her in a big house, but she was unfulfilled. She needed to get kicked around by somebody who didn't really give a shit about her to feel right. No dinners, no fancy cocktails, no paying her bills. This is the way of the world sometimes.

Would this woman give you the time of day if you didn't have a six-figure income and weren't going to support another man's child?

I have never spent a penny more on her than she has on me. I have already mentioned that she was supporting me while i was looking for a job. And she pays for everything concerning the kid.
And you meet the kind of woman you want to meet, i did meet some sluts/gold diggers in my wilder days well. So i can totally see the examples in your life.

Quote: (09-07-2017 11:24 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I found a touching photo of OP and his fiancé.



Really pulls at the heartstrings.

Sorry to break your heart, but most people think she is in her early 30s. She is a solid 8 if not 9.

Quote: (09-07-2017 11:44 AM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

I have never spent a penny more on her than she has on me. I have already mentioned that she was supporting me while i was looking for a job. And she pays for everything concerning the kid.

OK. You did just get done lecturing us about how being "generous" to her and her child makes you a "man", which is the stereotypical statement of every fool blundering into this trap, so I'm sure you can understand why we'd be skeptical of this. You've sounded very much, all along, like you believe your six-figure job makes you the alpha and earns her respect, and only now seem to be backtracking as you start to catch glimpses of the underlying issue.

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And you meet the kind of woman you want to meet, i did meet some sluts/gold diggers in my wilder days well. So i can totally see the examples in your life.

I'll bet every guy who had his life ruined by some woman he shouldn't have gotten himself mixed up with rejected the warnings with this same language.

All we can do is warn you based on the facts you've given us. You clearly believe it is the Year Zero and that you are the First Man, that you are an astronaut exploring an uncharted world. We can show you our maps with all our notes scribbled in the margins, but it means nothing to you. Good luck to you, and definitely keep us posted on how this turns out.

Quote: (09-07-2017 11:45 AM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2017 11:24 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I found a touching photo of OP and his fiancé.



Really pulls at the heartstrings.

Sorry to break your heart, but most people think she is in her early 30s.

Three weeks after the wedding....

Quote: (09-07-2017 11:45 AM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

She is a solid 8 if not 9.

Notice this troll hasn't replied to any actual legitimate rebuttals to his decisions, especially mine.

Because he knows we're right, but he's in "love".


OP I'm calling bullshit on her being an 8 or a 9 - private message a well repped member proof of this.

Quote: (09-07-2017 11:44 AM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

I have never spent a penny more on her than she has on me. I have already mentioned that she was supporting me while i was looking for a job. And she pays for everything concerning the kid.
And you meet the kind of woman you want to meet, i did meet some sluts/gold diggers in my wilder days well. So i can totally see the examples in your life.

Do you share the bills 50-50 or is she paying 2/3 of all the bills regarding housing, electricty, insurances, food etc.

The biggest atrocity of this thread is OP insulting Suits' avatar.




He uses that same selfie on tinder to pull dozens of 39 y/o mormon single mums!

But only if they're 8s or 9s and can bake.

Quote: (09-07-2017 12:05 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2017 11:44 AM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

I have never spent a penny more on her than she has on me. I have already mentioned that she was supporting me while i was looking for a job. And she pays for everything concerning the kid.
And you meet the kind of woman you want to meet, i did meet some sluts/gold diggers in my wilder days well. So i can totally see the examples in your life.

Do you share the bills 50-50 or is she paying 2/3 of all the bills regarding housing, electricty, insurances, food etc.

She is paying 2/3rd.

I actually feel sorry for a lot of you who seem have to never had a meaningful relationship with a woman. Seems like all your relationships have either been for sex or money. I don't blame you all for your Cynicism.

Also seems like a lot of you are caught at the bottom of Maslow hierarchy of needs . no doubt you have such self demeaning avatars. Seems there is lot self esteem missing as well.

Quote: (09-07-2017 11:59 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

Notice this troll hasn't replied to any actual legitimate rebuttals to his decisions, especially mine.

Because he knows we're right, but he's in "love".


OP I'm calling bullshit on her being an 8 or a 9 - private message a well repped member proof of this.

No i am not going to it, i don't seek validation from someone who is free enough to spend lots of time on this forum. I am going to quit once i start working full time next week.

Quote: (09-07-2017 03:05 PM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

I actually feel sorry for a lot of you who seem have to never had a meaningful relationship with a woman. Seems like all your relationships have either been for sex or money. I don't blame you all for your Cynicism.

Also seems like a lot of you are caught at the bottom of Maslow hierarchy of needs . no doubt you have such self demeaning avatars. Seems there is lot self esteem missing as well.

There's alot of projecting going on, I'm beginning to think a women is behind that username.

I actually feel sorry for you who thinks a 38 year old women with kids is all he can get out of this world.

Yet he just fucked a 19 year old, then confessed to her his undying love for this old lady.

There's plenty of men here that enjoy great relationships with great women, however we see women for what they are, we aren't fooled, we accept it, learn from it, and carry on.

Relationships of course as you may know include having sex, and this isn't a pay for play forum.

Oh Maslow you say ?

Let's talk about that "Babablacksheep":

You lack self actualization & esteem.

Let's break it down:

You don't seem to have much confidence, perhaps even mommy issues (hence why you're banging an older woman with kids).

Your achievement seems to come in swings and then guilt (aka the 19 year old).

On this tier you deny the acceptance of facts, problem solving, and hell even creativity.


I actually enjoy the women I'm around, I love my life, and love the friends I have in it, including forum members I've met.


Self demeaning avatars you say ?

You realize this is an anonymous forum, perhaps the avatars are to throw off who we really are so we don't get doxxed.


Did we mention your username ? Babablacksheep

Explains alot.



Enjoy your short stay here !

Quote: (09-07-2017 03:08 PM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

No i am not going to it, i don't seek validation from someone who is free enough to spend lots of time on this forum. I am going to quit once i start working full time next week.

Then why did you post to begin with ?

Why do you keep replying ?

Why do you keep being passive aggressive like a little teenage girl ?

It's clear you do spend alot of time replying to the comments ?


You're full of shit and projecting onto us.

Quote: (09-07-2017 03:05 PM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

I actually feel sorry for a lot of you who seem have to never had a meaningful relationship with a woman. Seems like all your relationships have either been for sex or money. I don't blame you all for your Cynicism.

In a very meaningful LTR. However, we've all seen your pattern play out before and are being real with you about the meaning of the words you used to describe your situation.

As I said, you think you're the First Man. You're just the Next Man.

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Also seems like a lot of you are caught at the bottom of Maslow hierarchy of needs . no doubt you have such self demeaning avatars. Seems there is lot self esteem missing as well.

You came here asking us for advice because you banged a 19-year-old clinger and can't navigate the fallout. Think about that carefully.

Some years down the road, you'll realize that we were being compassionate. We were telling you that the rules apply to everyone, zucchini bread notwithstanding.

Quote: (09-07-2017 03:15 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2017 03:08 PM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

No i am not going to it, i don't seek validation from someone who is free enough to spend lots of time on this forum. I am going to quit once i start working full time next week.

Then why did you post to begin with ?

Why do you keep replying ?

Why do you keep being passive aggressive like a little teenage girl ?

It's clear you do spend alot of time replying to the comments ?


You're full of shit and projecting onto us.

You forgot to read
"I am going to quit once i start working full time next week."

The question is can you quit this forum? The only place where you find some validation.

Quote: (09-07-2017 03:48 PM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

You forgot to read
"I am going to quit once i start working full time next week."

The question is can you quit this forum? The only place where you find some validation.

We all take breaks from time to time.

I come here to help people and also seek advice, I could care less about likes and rep points. Validation isn't needed when you already love yourself.

The better questions are:

Will you actually take any of solid advice that was given to you about your scenario (which we've seen time and time again)?

Will you challenge yourself to change and find something better?

Or will you ignore this advice, fall into the same trap that other weak men fall into and learn the hard way ?


Statistically speaking, the odds aren't in your favor.

OP, you can, of course, do what you want. However, there's a reason everyone here is telling you the same thing, and it's not just because we read it somewhere. It's because we've all been around the block.

She could be older, I guess, and sometimes women already have kids. In this instance, I think it's evidence of poor judgment on her part that she married Cancer Man, but fine.

Hopefully, you'll take this advice, though:

Head over to Rollo Tomassi's site, therationalmale.com and read about frame, about hypergamy, about relational equity, etc. Make some time to do some learning about the journey you're heading out on.

I guarantee you with 100% confidence that she will begin testing you as soon as you're married. It'll probably be small, at first. She'll "forget" to pack your lunch. She'll ask you to spot her $20 and then, the next day, be absolutely certain that it was a gift, not a loan. Something she used to do for you in bed while laughing and smiling will suddenly be something she expects you to treat as a big favor. She's going to be fishing around, as the hardwired instincts of all women dictate, to see how much she can get out of you before you assert yourself as the leader. She has to, because the ancient reptile part of her brain puts her child first, ahead of you, and always will.

You will either successfully navigate her evolutionary biology (and having a six-figure income will not insulate you from this responsibility), or she will learn that you aren't worthy of respect and become the nagging, demanding, abusive wife that many other men end up saddled with while they go jerk off in the shower. If you go down that road, you, like all nice guys with failed marriages, will continue to ramp up your "generosity" until you are completely broken, never understanding why she didn't respect how hard you were trying and just kept asking for more and more, always holding out the promise that she'd finally treat you lovingly again if only you fix her car, buy a bigger house, put more money into her child's college fund, take her on that vacation to that place you secretly hate.

Your marriage will end with her screaming something to the effect of "YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER ASSHOLE LIKE MY EX-HUSBAND! WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK TO YOUR 19-YEAR-OLD WHORE!"

You face a special challenge because you're a bit of a hostage to this marriage due to your green card situation and she will absolutely know that at an intuitive level. You're committed to doing this, and that's your call. I get it. You're in love. At the very least, though, doing your homework will help you learn how to manage the situation so that you don't end up like the subject of this article:

https://therationalmale.com/2015/01/18/s...ned-on-me/

We may be having some fun at your expense, but we really are trying to help you, and you're upset about it. Do remember not to allow your wife's testing to make you upset. That's how it starts.

Quote: (09-07-2017 04:09 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

OP, you can, of course, do what you want. However, there's a reason everyone here is telling you the same thing, and it's not just because we read it somewhere. It's because we've all been around the block.

She could be older, I guess, and sometimes women already have kids. In this instance, I think it's evidence of poor judgment on her part that she married Cancer Man, but fine.

Hopefully, you'll take this advice, though:

Head over to Rollo Tomassi's site, therationalmale.com and read about frame, about hypergamy, about relational equity, etc. Make some time to do some learning about the journey you're heading out on.

I guarantee you with 100% confidence that she will begin testing you as soon as you're married. It'll probably be small, at first. She'll "forget" to pack your lunch. She'll ask you to spot her $20 and then, the next day, be absolutely certain that it was a gift, not a loan. Something she used to do for you in bed while laughing and smiling will suddenly be something she expects you to treat as a big favor. She's going to be fishing around, as the hardwired instincts of all women dictate, to see how much she can get out of you before you assert yourself as the leader. She has to, because the ancient reptile part of her brain puts her child first, ahead of you, and always will.

You will either successfully navigate her evolutionary biology (and having a six-figure income will not insulate you from this responsibility), or she will learn that you aren't worthy of respect and become the nagging, demanding, abusive wife that many other men end up saddled with while they go jerk off in the shower. If you go down that road, you, like all nice guys with failed marriages, will continue to ramp up your "generosity" until you are completely broken, never understanding why she didn't respect how hard you were trying and just kept asking for more and more, always holding out the promise that she'd finally treat you lovingly again if only you fix her car, buy a bigger house, put more money into her child's college fund, take her on that vacation to that place you secretly hate.

Your marriage will end with her screaming something to the effect of "YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER ASSHOLE LIKE MY EX-HUSBAND! WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK TO YOUR 19-YEAR-OLD WHORE!"

You face a special challenge because you're a bit of a hostage to this marriage due to your green card situation and she will absolutely know that at an intuitive level. You're committed to doing this, and that's your call. I get it. You're in love. At the very least, though, doing your homework will help you learn how to manage the situation so that you don't end up like the subject of this article:

https://therationalmale.com/2015/01/18/s...ned-on-me/

We may be having some fun at your expense, but we really are trying to help you, and you're upset about it. Do remember not to allow your wife's testing to make you upset. That's how it starts.

Well thanks for looking out for me mate!! I will invite you to our wedding. What do you suggest for the venue from amongst these buildings.

Her uncle who is a CEO is paying for it

http://www.thisistheplace.org/multimedia...hotos.html

Quote: (09-07-2017 01:33 AM)Babablacksheep Wrote:  

Man, my aim in life is not to go on looking for women..i am pretty happy with the one i have.
There are not many women who have reddish hair and light green eyes, who can make stuff like zucchini bread and pack amazing lunches every day. Who write songs and make music, who work out - meditate every day and have a similar taste of cinema/literature.

Yeah to find a women to put my dick into, yes i can find many. But its rare to find someone who accepts for what you are while inspiring to be better.

OP in another thread:

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Man i am from an Indian Origin and i understand your situation.

Your history with her- Looks like a good old days love story. ItS hard to find these days.

Red flags- These all do not look so big to me. The fact that she did not change her religion to please some narrow minded guy is a positive sign about her integrity and loyalty.

No, you will not selling yourself short. Look around. Many successful entrepreneurs and creative people met their partners early and the stability of a great relationship help them propel themselves towards excellence.

Few years back when i was your age, i use to think the same but after meeting numerous liberated ( modern, irresponsible, drama queens) western women for flings and various crazy experiences, i can appreciate being with my current gf more and more. She is older than me (6 yrs), does not drink and is great at being a housewife.

Chasing pussy led to me not achieving the potential i could have, but in retrospect it was a lesson for me and something i am able to share with younger ones like you.

This forum might not be the best place to seek advice. There are bigger goals in life than putting your d** into some random chick you met at a bar who would be with your neighbour next day..

Probably not an 8 or a 9, but for indian guys a fair skinned, reddish hair, with green eyes gets 2 bonus points, so for OP she probably is an 8 or 9.

Ahhhh now it makes sense, he's an IRT looking for his white girl !

Quote: (09-07-2017 04:54 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  

Probably not an 8 or a 9, but for indian guys a fair skinned, reddish hair, with green eyes gets 2 bonus points, so for OP she probably is an 8 or 9.

This is a real low at so many levels, logical and ethical. I wonder what kind of a woman/man brought you up.

Quote: (09-07-2017 04:55 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Ahhhh now it makes sense, he's an IRT looking for his white girl !

Sure, i have been disappointed by reading the lengthy posts you put of your conquest of slutty (in your words) 5-6s. Forget about time invested in gaming, i won't even put the time you put to write those posts for such women lols..Hope you value something about yourself.