MSM has officially gone full retard:

CNN’s Wolf Blitzer Suggests Barcelona Attack Is A ‘Copycat’ of Charlottesville






When even the Huffington freaking Post thinks you've gone too far into hysterical territory, you know you have problems.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cnn-...cc855c5db6

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CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer made a disturbing comment about the suspected terrorist attack in Barcelona, Spain, on Thursday.

The two events have not been linked in any way.

The vehicle-ramming attack is a tactic used by a number of extremist groups, but in recent years they have become most closely associated with ISIS. Car and truck attacks in Europe have killed more than 100 people in recent years, targeting civilians in major cities including London, Berlin and now Barcelona.

Police is searching for the suspect Moussa Oukabir.




https://elpais.com/ccaa/2017/08/17/catal...64462.html

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Authorities are looking for Moussa Oukabir, the alleged perpetrator of the attack on La Rambla in Barcelona and brother of the first detainee Driss Oukabir, according to EFE

https://elpais.com/ccaa/2017/08/18/catal...68729.html

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According to the first investigations the terrorist cell that has perpetrated the two attacks would comprise 12 people, five dead (those of Cambrils) and three others already detained, four would therefore lack, including the driver.

I'm actually surprised at the media's reaction. I have not seen the usual "islamophobia" warnings apart from one journalist who didn't get a reply. Surprising because the spanish media was saying that kind of shit non-stop when terrorist attacks have happened in other european countries.

Quote: (08-18-2017 02:06 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Quote: (08-17-2017 09:03 PM)mikado Wrote:  

@Mage
Maybe I could, but I have the most difficulties in understanding why God (almighty, unique, and omnipotent) would have a son (especially since he created Adam without any problem, who could also be considered his "son"). A son that he would willingly let die, in such a horrible manner (cruxifixion). And I cannot fathom why he would punish every single human being for being the son of Adam and Eve, just because they ate the apple (at least until Jesus Christ came). A forgiving and benevolent God would never do that. I think he pardonned them, and the remaining humanity.
And I cannot understand why a single race would be allowed to rule the Earth and be the favorites of God (Jews). After all, faith is in the heart, not in the blood.

These are legitimate questions, but you will not hear answers for them from Muslims. You must seek out believers of the faith in question if you want answers

To answer your first question a Christian would say: Since God is as you put it: almighty unique and omnipotent (almighty = omnipotent) - God can do whatever he wants including having a son. It is you Muslims who reduce Gods omnipotence by saying he cannot have a son. His uniqueness is not reduced since he and his son are actually the same God.

God let his son get tortured and die because he loves humans. Allah does not love humans as it is written in Quran that Allah loves the believer but hates the unbeliever. In the same time nothing happens without Allah's will including a person being a believer or an unbeliever. So it flows that Allah created unbelievers just for them to be cast in hell. Christian God is superior because he loves all humans, including sinners and unbelievers and has given them free choice to either be good or evil, but he hopes they will chose good. And he died for all humans. As for the horrible death on cross - I personally don't think it is a big price to pay for salvation of all mankind. Some people, saints or captured soldiers have endured torture as big for much lesser sake. Since Jesus was God, he resurrected anyway and his death is not permanent. His temporary death was needed a) according to Catholics - since wages of sin are death, Jesus paid that price for all of us. b) according to Orthodox - to break that very rule that wages of sin are death, by cheating death to swallow an innocent, he destroyed it.

It might sound unfair why God punished humanity for sins of Adam and Eve, but he at least provides salvation to them all trough free will and Jesus Christ. Allah is even more unfair, because he punishes unbelievers with hell, while fully determining who is an unbeliever. As for the true reason why sin fallowed to Adams descendants Christians have lost the answer, but it can be found in Jewish Kabbalah according to which - Adam is not so much a first human in corporeal sense, but a sum of all Human souls that ever was born and will be born. Each human is an individual fragment of the original "Mega-soul" called Adam Kadmon, so we were all there when Adam sinned and all are guilty. Eve is the female ~50% of humanity and ~50% from Adam - therefore created from his "rib" o more accurately translated from Jewish - from his "shoulder", which means that a woman is spiritually as to mans shoulder, meaning a man is to be head of the wife.)

Why Jews are preferred by God? Jews have unique position, but they are not preferred. Modern Judaism comes from the Pharisee line. Jesus spoke much against Pharisees that reformed Judaism to turn it into a nationalistic supremacy religion, just about that time when Jesus lived. Jewish religion prior to Pharisees was much different. Again Kabbalah reveals the true answer to this question. The answer is that Jews were chosen to receive special privileges from God, but also special duties, which most modern (Pharisee) Jews are not fulfilling, therefore other nations are suspicions of them, hate them and persecute them from time to time. Jews have to observe special rules no other human nation has and Jews have a duty to work on behalf of other nations of the World, by being an example, a priestly nation so to speak. Modern Jews are mostly (not all, but mostly) doing the opposite and promoting degeneracy for other nations, trough Holywood and liberal politics. They lead a secluded lifestyle keeping their God to themselves, when they should be preaching it to the nations instead. And they try to subjugate other nations trough usury. Jews are not fulfilling their duties and are therefore suffering periodically for that. Some Christians believe that Jews are "fired" from their job of being chosen nation and that the Christian Church is the new Israel. But in short - Jews have special privileges that are compensated by special duties, so it balances out and everything is fair.

Thank you for taking the time to write this (detailed) explanation.
I promise to read it again, and read some of the sources you cited, like Kabbalah.

At the very least every Muslim should read the Quran, not automatically (like when we memorize it from the young age), but by confronting it to other religious pieces, and try to understand it instead of just assuming it is what it is. +1 from me

Quote: (08-18-2017 04:04 AM)balybary Wrote:  

Police is searching for the suspect Moussa Oukabir.




https://elpais.com/ccaa/2017/08/17/catal...64462.html

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Authorities are looking for Moussa Oukabir, the alleged perpetrator of the attack on La Rambla in Barcelona and brother of the first detainee Driss Oukabir, according to EFE

Great - so one guy is supposedly innocent and his passport was found there, but HIS OWN BLOODY BROTHER IS NOW THE TERRORIST?

When you look at those terrorist families you find out that many are utterly interrelated and share the same ideology. I would only trust a guy from a family who left Islam and is shunned by his folk.

The Canadian Jihadi who was compensated by 10 mio. $ by Trudeau for his war-activities in Afghanistan - his entire brood consisted of radical Jihadis.

They have probably left scores of internet and call connections and the cops are now looking for anyone who was in contact with the other goat-fuckers.

We still don't know who is the guy found dead in a car (after a shooting by the police).

The media says that guy was killed by stabbing, so we don't know what's going on.

https://elpais.com/ccaa/2017/08/18/catal...68729.html

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The man found dead in the vehicle that struck on Thursday a Mossos agent in a control of the avenue Diagonal died of stab wounds and not by shots of the agents, reason why the police investigates now the possible relation of the event With the attack of Barcelona.

As far as I know Moussa Oukabir comes from Morocco.

A 1 minute search on Google would have revealed that is a muslim-fascist posting on social media...

Balybary, what is this about?

The suspect Moussa Oukabir has posted pro-terrorist messages on social media with his real name
http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/moussa-ouk...st-attack/

since he is a moroccan citizen he should have been sent to Morocco for that crime (at least).

His older brother Driss Oukabir is a criminal who has already spent some year in jail, and he's probably a pro-terrorist too.

I am watching the news and they show the people mourning the victims in Barcelona.

Young women can't stop to look at their smartphones and taking selfies.

Some classic attention whoring

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...99386.html

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Barcelona attack: Woman caught up in third terror event after surviving London Bridge and Paris rampages

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Julia Monaco, 26, was shopping with friends when a van ploughed through nearby crowds killing 13 people and injuring more than 100.

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Jeez, she has so much money that she can travel all-year long, or even worse, three times in a single year... and she wastes that on attention whoring in Barcelona!

I bet she still votes for leftists and thinks that banning boat people is horrible.

This Julia Monaco has "survived" 3 terrors attacks (from a long distance...) but will she survive all the STD collected on her big travel around the world?

Quote: (08-18-2017 04:04 AM)balybary Wrote:  

Police is searching for the suspect Moussa Oukabir.

And yet another beta virgin terrorist spotted! A 17 years old Moroccan, what a surprise, I had just posted the following about 17 year-old Moroccan dudes: thread-9856-...pid1631358

Well, virgin with human females at least, because, no doubt he had a shot at female donkeys, as seems to be a prevalent cultural thing in Moroccan villages

See also, thread-64359...pid1633317

The difficulty of fucking women if one is poor, is a major problem with Islamic cultures.

Islamic lands are cram full of virgin men, within the poor or lower-medium classes.

Usually, poor Muslims are totally virgins, except the occasional bang with a female donkey tied to a pole, and lower-medium class Muslim men have only a couple of sexual encounters - with 39 years old Ukrainian prostitutes (swinging around poles, too) - under their (explosive) belts. Sad.

Protesters in Barcelona Urge Spain to Take in More Refugees

I wonder if any of these protesters who were at this event just a few months back will pause and consider the ramifications of their virtue signalling "humanitarianism".

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Quote: (08-18-2017 06:08 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

And yet another beta virgin terrorist spotted! A 17 years old Moroccan, what a surprise, I had just posted the following about 17 year-old Moroccan dudes: thread-9856-...pid1631358

Well, virgin with human females at least, because, no doubt he had a shot at female donkeys, as seems to be a prevalent cultural thing in Moroccan villages

See also, thread-64359...pid1633317

The difficulty of fucking women if one is poor, is a major problem with Islamic cultures.

Islamic lands are cram full of virgin men, within the poor or lower-medium classes.

Usually, poor Muslims are totally virgins, except the occasional bang with a female donkey tied to a pole, and lower-medium class Muslim men have only a couple of sexual encounters - with 39 years old Ukrainian prostitutes (swinging around poles, too) - under their (explosive) belts. Sad.

Both brothers posted anti-Christian and anti-Jewish content.

Both somehow defended the ISIS territories as rebels against the evil regime of Assad.

The problem with believing Muslims even in the West and women is the following:

+ when they start taking Islam seriously, then they become even more socially awkward - every woman is quickly a slut, they are not supposed to look at them, they are not supposed to shake their hands or touch them, because they are told that that just shaking a woman's hand will entice a man to rape her or worse

You gotta listen to some Ex-Salafis who grew up in the West and took this seriously. They were mentally fucked to a high degree even if they were theoretically able to get laid and did not have to fuck donkeys like in Morocco. Essentially strict interpretation of Islam either makes them at best into psycho-Alphas or more likely Gammas of various sorts - rape-gang participants, Jihadis, awkward incel Jihadis etc.

Sure - some Christians get also a strict ideology that makes them into very awkward unattractive men, but they don't have a doctrine which supports violence against sluts and especially Kuffar girls. So that awkwardness either resolves by them getting an arranged marriage, they break out of that conditioning themselves or they remain incels with little damage to the outside world.

He supposedly posted this video online, but I guess this was meant as a debate probably disputing David Wood who knows more about Islam than your average Imam porn-addict (I am not kidding about porn addiction by the way - one Arab organizer said so once on TV as they had trouble finding Imams willing to do speeches in the evenings, because they had a developed a thriving porn habit for the evening hours)

Into this debacle for the Spain police, a policeman has saved the day:

He killed 4 terrorists (out of 5), bullet in the head and no fucking around.



http://www.elperiodico.com/es/barcelona/...na-6228813

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Mossos confirms that the Barcelona bombing was going to be much worse. The intention was to use vans bomb but the explosions of Alcanar fused his plans, informs Guillem Sánchez.

At the root of the deflagration, they had to look at the desperate. They carried out the mass outrage of BCN and then insisted on Cambrils. A single agent was able to repel the attack by killing 4 of the 5 terrorists.

There are indications that the BCN driver may also be inside the Cambrils van and, therefore, already neutralized.

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Mossos confirman que el atentado de Barcelona iba a ser mucho peor. Su intención era utilizar furgonetas bomba pero las explosiones de Alcanar fustraron sus planes, informa Guillem Sánchez.

A raiz de la deflagracion, tuvieron que atentar a la desesperada. Llevaron a cabo el atropello masivo de BCN y después insistieron en Cambrils. Un solo agente pudo repeler el ataque al matar a 4 de los 5 terroristas.

Existen indicios de que el conductor de BCN pudiera estar tambien dentro de la furgoneta de Cambrils y, por lo tanto, ya neutralizado.

Interesting info, what is curious that they didn't just try to go van ramming from the get go as it would have been cheaper but it is also interesting to see that these attackers weren't the suicidal type if we take into account the alleged frustrated planning and escape after the ramming.

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El país has a vid of the fifth guy being shot down last night (GRAPHIC if pixelated)
Link:
https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/08/18/vid...autoplay=1

Yeah - lucky and unlucky that those inbred shitheads attempted to kill more by building bombs instead of taking the easy route via a car attack.

But it did not work out for kids like that:



Here the house after the explosion where they attempted to build bombs:



We can be grateful for their incompetence. Driving a car is about as much as they can handle - or start some knife/sword/axe attack in public while shouting allahu akbar.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/...elona/amp/

Quote: (08-17-2017 01:39 PM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

Just a reminder of what happend a week ago:

And six months ago:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...87996.html

This comes to mind when watching this clip






Well that sounds like a relatively common sense idea Donald, give recent events.


      

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Lots of young girls and women. Women react much worse in danger and in such cases a quick action and move can mean the difference between death/severe injury and safety.

And Tommy Robinson is right - they will never publish such scenes. There was an even more graphic picture of the 12yo girl in Sweden who was ripped apart by the truck and her guts were out. I think her parents still defended the refugee policy and Islam.

Quote:[url=https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/898472200717709312]

Meanwhile the shitheads of Islam commit another attack - this time it seems a couple of knife-wielding Jihadis. They reportedly killed a woman who was walking with her baby.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4272609/fi...ots-turku/

Quote: (08-18-2017 04:23 AM)mikado Wrote:  

Quote: (08-18-2017 02:06 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Quote: (08-17-2017 09:03 PM)mikado Wrote:  

@Mage
Maybe I could, but I have the most difficulties in understanding why God (almighty, unique, and omnipotent) would have a son (especially since he created Adam without any problem, who could also be considered his "son"). A son that he would willingly let die, in such a horrible manner (cruxifixion). And I cannot fathom why he would punish every single human being for being the son of Adam and Eve, just because they ate the apple (at least until Jesus Christ came). A forgiving and benevolent God would never do that. I think he pardonned them, and the remaining humanity.
And I cannot understand why a single race would be allowed to rule the Earth and be the favorites of God (Jews). After all, faith is in the heart, not in the blood.

These are legitimate questions, but you will not hear answers for them from Muslims. You must seek out believers of the faith in question if you want answers

To answer your first question a Christian would say: Since God is as you put it: almighty unique and omnipotent (almighty = omnipotent) - God can do whatever he wants including having a son. It is you Muslims who reduce Gods omnipotence by saying he cannot have a son. His uniqueness is not reduced since he and his son are actually the same God.

God let his son get tortured and die because he loves humans. Allah does not love humans as it is written in Quran that Allah loves the believer but hates the unbeliever. In the same time nothing happens without Allah's will including a person being a believer or an unbeliever. So it flows that Allah created unbelievers just for them to be cast in hell. Christian God is superior because he loves all humans, including sinners and unbelievers and has given them free choice to either be good or evil, but he hopes they will chose good. And he died for all humans. As for the horrible death on cross - I personally don't think it is a big price to pay for salvation of all mankind. Some people, saints or captured soldiers have endured torture as big for much lesser sake. Since Jesus was God, he resurrected anyway and his death is not permanent. His temporary death was needed a) according to Catholics - since wages of sin are death, Jesus paid that price for all of us. b) according to Orthodox - to break that very rule that wages of sin are death, by cheating death to swallow an innocent, he destroyed it.

It might sound unfair why God punished humanity for sins of Adam and Eve, but he at least provides salvation to them all trough free will and Jesus Christ. Allah is even more unfair, because he punishes unbelievers with hell, while fully determining who is an unbeliever. As for the true reason why sin fallowed to Adams descendants Christians have lost the answer, but it can be found in Jewish Kabbalah according to which - Adam is not so much a first human in corporeal sense, but a sum of all Human souls that ever was born and will be born. Each human is an individual fragment of the original "Mega-soul" called Adam Kadmon, so we were all there when Adam sinned and all are guilty. Eve is the female ~50% of humanity and ~50% from Adam - therefore created from his "rib" o more accurately translated from Jewish - from his "shoulder", which means that a woman is spiritually as to mans shoulder, meaning a man is to be head of the wife.)

Why Jews are preferred by God? Jews have unique position, but they are not preferred. Modern Judaism comes from the Pharisee line. Jesus spoke much against Pharisees that reformed Judaism to turn it into a nationalistic supremacy religion, just about that time when Jesus lived. Jewish religion prior to Pharisees was much different. Again Kabbalah reveals the true answer to this question. The answer is that Jews were chosen to receive special privileges from God, but also special duties, which most modern (Pharisee) Jews are not fulfilling, therefore other nations are suspicions of them, hate them and persecute them from time to time. Jews have to observe special rules no other human nation has and Jews have a duty to work on behalf of other nations of the World, by being an example, a priestly nation so to speak. Modern Jews are mostly (not all, but mostly) doing the opposite and promoting degeneracy for other nations, trough Holywood and liberal politics. They lead a secluded lifestyle keeping their God to themselves, when they should be preaching it to the nations instead. And they try to subjugate other nations trough usury. Jews are not fulfilling their duties and are therefore suffering periodically for that. Some Christians believe that Jews are "fired" from their job of being chosen nation and that the Christian Church is the new Israel. But in short - Jews have special privileges that are compensated by special duties, so it balances out and everything is fair.

Thank you for taking the time to write this (detailed) explanation.
I promise to read it again, and read some of the sources you cited, like Kabbalah.

At the very least every Muslim should read the Quran, not automatically (like when we memorize it from the young age), but by confronting it to other religious pieces, and try to understand it instead of just assuming it is what it is. +1 from me

A different perspective.

Why does the god of the jews and muslims behave like an irrational vain narcissist who demands total obedience and worship?

Could it be he is not God, but an imposter? Yaweh was called Baal in biblical times.

Jesus was sent to put man back on the path of goodness and expose the fallen angel calling himself god, the demiurge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge#Gnosticism

Quote: (08-16-2017 11:25 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

One third of Barcelona residents are islamic. Around 500k for a total population of 1,5M.

That just isn't true mate, Muslims account for less than 10% of the population, and 10% is being incredibly generous since a census revealed 5% in 2014. I hate what's happening in Europe as much as everyone else, but those figures are nonsense.