Quote: (08-07-2017 02:12 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.....

White people pushed for an end to affirmative action on the state level in California and got it, they based all their admissions on test scores and grades- suddenly Asians dominated admissions to all the California colleges, it even affected community college admissions. After a few years of their children not getting into choice schools white people in California felt that perhaps other factors aside from grades and test scores (and donations) should be included in the admissions process.

I can tell you that the finance and investment banking post-graduate programs of CFA and CAIA were tremendously impacted by Asians - here mostly Chinese - pouring into that market.

Since especially the CAIA tests are adjusting naturally by the results of the mean, then that means that from one year to the next it could get 20% more difficult to pass due to average shifting. And guess what - that is exactly what happened a couple years ago as massive levels of highly ambitious Chinese started to enter those tests. But the majority still remained Westerners who took and passed those tests - it was just getting far more difficult due to the excellent results stemming from the students in China. And I might add - those tests have rigorous testing centers where they record you, take your finger prints, take away all your electronics, have you under surveillance like in a lab. So cheating at least there can be excluded.

They worked their asses of. We must not forget one thing about the Chinese - the sheer massive size of the country - 1.4 BILLION PEOPLE. If you have even just 20 million of their best and allow them to compete with you in a country of 370 mio., then by golly you are going to have problems. The same was partly happening in the Swiss universities when they opened them a bit too much to the Germans. A country of 85 mio. suddenly sending hundreds of thousands to compete for spots in a country of 8 mio. - that caused plenty of frictions.

Admit/hire/promote the best person, period.

Quote: (08-07-2017 02:57 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

Admit/hire/promote the best person, period.

It cannot be that way.

As a private university you have some responsibility to former alumni and financial supporters - when it stretches back generations, then you can even admit a drunk Bush to Yale and have him party away.

Then there is the responsibility to the country - you pick the best coming out of your nation, because they were born and grew up there and will contribute more to the makeup and future of your nation. Educating mainland Chinese who will mostly leave will not add much to a Western economy.

So after those 2 criteria are met, then the best person should be admitted - but that is usually when the politics, feminism and postmodernist bullshit comes into play and fucks up everything.

While I do not believe "meritocracy" is the end all be all, as there is no guarantee the most "talented" will use their "talents" at the top for the good of society versus their own group, it is good to remember that competition is quite healthy and insures that people are driven to accomplish more.

That said, the entire obsession on winning the system so much that people lose their entire childhoods to studying is degenerate in its own way. A life of nothing but social climbing is a life of slavery. And rather than lead to increases in technology, art, or science, you instead get status whores hell bent on protecting the system that created them - regardless if the system is any good or not.

This is a nuanced subject with many angles to consider, and while I support the removal of affirmative action compared to what we have now, I would not be opposed to very limited small scale affirmative action which says, "If all else being equal of the applicants, underrepresented races get priority," then I would be for it.

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Quote: (08-07-2017 01:44 AM)Agastya Wrote:  

Liberals fucking hate Asian p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ men.

Quote: (08-07-2017 02:45 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (08-07-2017 02:12 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.....

White people pushed for an end to affirmative action on the state level in California and got it, they based all their admissions on test scores and grades- suddenly Asians dominated admissions to all the California colleges, it even affected community college admissions. After a few years of their children not getting into choice schools white people in California felt that perhaps other factors aside from grades and test scores (and donations) should be included in the admissions process.

I can tell you that the finance and investment banking post-graduate programs of CFA and CAIA were tremendously impacted by Asians - here mostly Chinese - pouring into that market.

Since especially the CAIA tests are adjusting naturally by the results of the mean, then that means that from one year to the next it could get 20% more difficult to pass due to average shifting. And guess what - that is exactly what happened a couple years ago as massive levels of highly ambitious Chinese started to enter those tests. But the majority still remained Westerners who took and passed those tests - it was just getting far more difficult due to the excellent results stemming from the students in China. And I might add - those tests have rigorous testing centers where they record you, take your finger prints, take away all your electronics, have you under surveillance like in a lab. So cheating at least there can be excluded.

They worked their asses of. We must not forget one thing about the Chinese - the sheer massive size of the country - 1.4 BILLION PEOPLE. If you have even just 20 million of their best and allow them to compete with you in a country of 370 mio., then by golly you are going to have problems. The same was partly happening in the Swiss universities when they opened them a bit too much to the Germans. A country of 85 mio. suddenly sending hundreds of thousands to compete for spots in a country of 8 mio. - that caused plenty of frictions.

If you're adding 1.4 million Asians to your competing pool, who is the minority? "In China, even if you're one in a million, there are still a thousand more just like you."

Scrapping affirmative action in colleges is fine as long as you're not importing the competition.

We didn't need to import hundreds of thousands of Chinese students to prop up the education sector back in the 50's and we don't need to do it now.

Let them go to school in their own fucking country. I'm not sure why that's a complicated prospect.

It's mad to bring all these foreigners from (often) unfriendly nations anyway, from both a competitive and security standpoint. Does anyone believe these foreign nationals who get deep into cutting edge research while doing PhDs and postdoc work are magically leaving their knowledge behind when they go home?

Quote: (08-07-2017 05:27 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

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Quote: (08-07-2017 01:44 AM)Agastya Wrote:  

Liberals fucking hate Asian p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ men.

Living in California has made me realize that hardcore liberals in general (and liberal whites in particular) are easily some of the most racist people on the planet. These people have absolutely no problem shitting on Asian guys, making racist small dick jokes, etc etc...but will loudly virtue signal about other groups favored by their agenda. The most direct racism I've recieved in my life was from liberal whites. They'll pretend to be cool to your face but are quick to lash out with extreme racism once they get drunk or feel comfortable around you. It's difficult living in California when I straight up can't trust most of the white population here. A lot of suburban whites in California and other coastal liberal states have basically substituted liberal ideology for actual culture, morals, or values.

These people also love to shit on conservative whites from interior flyover states for being racist -- which is ironic, because the only white people I've ever been able to trust came from a conservative background. I had a white Hillary supporter from DC get in my face at a club after she saw me making out with her friend. She got jealous and started calling me "three fifths of a person" and a subhuman, all kinds of fucked up KKK shit. My buddy who is a white Trump supporter had my back and told her to fuck off. It's hilarious how the media will shit on people like my friend and present white women from blue states as the paragon of virtue.

Four years of going to school in California, and another year or so of travelling the world, has really proven to me that white liberal culture (in its modern form, at least) is one of the most disgusting and degenerate on the planet. Even radical Muslims are at least honest with themselves and live by some kind of a creed. These people will harp on about how tolerant and righteous they are, while simultaneously shitting on conservative whites and "uncool minorities -- both of whom actually contribute more to society and have legitimate family values.

This is a great move on Trump's part, actually. It combats these evil fucking Marxist degenerates and bolsters a group that has a great work ethic and strong family values. Asians are a hell of a lot more American than white liberals and contribute a lot more to western civilization. Anything that pisses off these people and attacks their despicable culture is something that I support.

Totally defund universities and treat student loans like every other debt. The market will quickly sort the problem out, and 80% of universities would shut their doors. Those that remained would be more like trade schools - teaching valuable knowledge like engineering, mathematics, computer science, accounting, architecture, medicine, etc... The humanities as we know them now would completely die out because their practical (read: economic) value is literally less than zero. Over time the true study of humanities could return (i.e. Western classics), but what we have posing as the humanities now - which is simply and plainly stated as nothing more than cultural Marxist brainwashing - must be completely cleansed with fire.

At the same time, eliminate all affirmative action policies and hiring quotas. Allow companies to discriminate among employees however they want (i.e. with IQ testing). Want to hire all men? Go for it. Want to hire only people who pass a certain test, even if that results in a company of 2,000 people with 1,400 white guys, 599 Asians and one super based black dude with a monster brain? Sure. Why the fuck is it the government's business who private businesses choose to hire in the first place? The fact that the vast majority of people accept that as a normal state of affairs demonstrates how far we've fallen.

The entire structure underlying almost all of our cultural institutions has been rotten for decades. There's no easy way back. You almost have to burn everything down completely at this point and start over. The universities are ground zero for the cultural rot and should be priority target number one.

Quote: (08-07-2017 07:57 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Totally defund universities and treat student loans like every other debt. The market will quickly sort the problem out, and 80% of universities would shut their doors. Those that remained would be more like trade schools - teaching valuable knowledge like engineering, mathematics, computer science, accounting, architecture, medicine, etc... The humanities as we know them now would completely die out because their practical (read: economic) value is literally less than zero. Over time the true study of humanities could return (i.e. Western classics), but what we have posing as the humanities now - which is simply and plainly stated as nothing more than cultural Marxist brainwashing - must be completely cleansed with fire.

At the same time, eliminate all affirmative action policies and hiring quotas. Allow companies to discriminate among employees however they want (i.e. with IQ testing). Want to hire all men? Go for it. Want to hire only people who pass a certain test, even if that results in a company of 2,000 people with 1,400 white guys, 599 Asians and one super based black dude with a monster brain? Sure. Why the fuck is it the government's business who private businesses choose to hire in the first place? The fact that the vast majority of people accept that as a normal state of affairs demonstrates how far we've fallen.

The entire structure underlying almost all of our cultural institutions has been rotten for decades. There's no easy way back. You almost have to burn everything down completely at this point and start over. The universities are ground zero for the cultural rot and should be priority target number one.

The Humanities in their current form are an absolute joke. A pretty redundant statement, but many of my History courses boiled down to a professor ranting about capitalism, racism, or Trump. A course on the history of western civilization basically consisted of my professor bitching about modern political trends and crying about white supremacy. It's pathetic that massive periods in history get reduced to their propaganda value for SJW's.

It's an even bigger scam that these degrees are being priced at $100,000 as tickets into the job market. For those lucky enough to get a job out of college (such as myself, thank God), our degrees basically consisted of receiving Tumblr feminist/SJW rants for four years in order to be eligible to work. I'm going to start a job in corporate sales in two weeks.

I studied history because I found it interesting. What the fuck did I need to hear my professor's rants against Trump for? How did another professor bitching about the "colonization of women" at all contribute to my career or personal development?

Each of these courses cost a couple hundred dollars at least. Entire degrees that enroll millions of people nationwide are absolutely useless. The Humanities are a cancer in our society, at least the way they're currently taught. Everything semi-legitimate that I learned as a History major came from books that I could have borrowed from the library.

The modern American university is a corporation that lies to its customers, extorts them for overpriced books and materials, sponsors social degeneracy (rampant hooking up probably being the worst), and fails to provide them basic services (the medical services at my colleges were an absolute joke, ridiculous wait times and generally poor service).

Quote: (08-07-2017 07:44 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

It's difficult living in California when I straight up can't trust most of the white population here.

It's sad you feel that way. I've been in California for over 10 years and I've never really had any issues with white people at all - the only people who ever bring up my race are Chinese and Koreans. They can't wrap their head around a person of Indian descent being British. Just about every white, black and Hispanic person I've come across accept me as being British once they've been in my company for a few minutes.

Coincidentally I took a Chinese American woman yesterday to a British pub in LA to try sausage rolls before banging her at my place.

Tucker Carlson destroys a liberal who says that there's too many Asians in universities. He also asks him about WASPs:

Quote: (08-07-2017 08:19 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Quote: (08-07-2017 07:44 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

It's difficult living in California when I straight up can't trust most of the white population here.

It's sad you feel that way. I've been in California for over 10 years and I've never really had any issues with white people at all - the only people who ever bring up my race are Chinese and Koreans. They can't wrap their head around a person of Indian descent being British. Just about every white, black and Hispanic person I've come across accept me as being British once they've been in my company for a few minutes.

Coincidentally I took a Chinese American woman yesterday to a British pub in LA to try sausage rolls before banging her at my place.

Tucker Carlson destroys a liberal who says that there's too many Asians in universities. He also asks him about WASPs:

I've had repeatedly bad interactions with liberal white people from the coasts. I'm not sure how many of these people you've had as close friends or who you've interacted with on a casual basis. There's also a good chance that these people just see you as British rather than as an Indian. As a working professional, you may not be catching these people at their worst -- but as a college kid around them when the drinking starts, you definitely can. Again, I've never had these experiences with conservative whites in any setting at all.

It's their SJW tendencies that wig me out more than the racism. The racism is hypocritical, but self-hatred I see these people exhibit makes me want to shoot myself. I remember hearing a white girl ask whether or not a white male author deserved the success he received after writing a book about cancer victims. The logic, of course, being that as a privileged white male, he had no right to write about the disabled. The hatred that this girl exhibited for her own race and culture was pretty disgusting to me. This is just one of many instances that have disillusioned me towards white liberal culture. It doesn't surprise me at all Antifa largely draws itself from this demographic. This is a culture that hates its own civilization and tolerates no dissent against its political ideology.

I agree that pulling funding from student loans would be the best thing ever. The government shouldn't be underwriting education. Let the marketplace decide what education is necessary. Student loans are just a slush fund for college admins and junk science professors. I hope the Trump admin makes a push to get the government out of the student loan business. Tell the universities that they'll have to fund themselves based upon tuition alone and it will force them to slim down and fire staff that aren't needed. Waste exists only when there is a surplus of resources (student loans) to support it.

http://monitor.icef.com/2015/09/japanese...faculties/

Japanese government asks universities to close social sciences and humanities faculties

Japan intends to close all humanities departments of public colleges - which will be most of them in the country. Guess they realized in Japan that their "science" is currently mostly bullshit and propaganda.

Quote: (08-07-2017 08:19 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Coincidentally I took a Chinese American woman yesterday to a British pub in LA to try sausage rolls before banging her at my place.

Datasheet on sausage roll game?

With university applications over here, there is no requirement to put your race or religion when you apply, but you could if you wanted. As far as I'm aware there is no affirmative action towards minority groups or women, but head to any top university for a top course and it will be dominated by Asians. I don't care, I love meritocracies.

The US and UK teams for the INternational Chemistry Olympiads are telling:


Normal US team. I think some are half-White.


UK team - Asian, Indian and White. Pretty much correct representation.

The math olympiad winners are generally of similar background:



The good thing is that China, Korea, Japan and later India will be getting an ever greater role in development of human science and technology. They are and will be far less PC than the deliberately brainwashed West.

Federal Funding for Harvard in Jeopardy as Trump Administration Investigating Asian Admissions Practices

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Harvard University is at risk of losing its federal funding thanks to a Trump administration investigation into affirmative action policies and their effect on asian students.

The Asian American Coalition for Education brought concerns about racial quotas to Harvard’s attention in 2015. They argued that asians are at an unfair disadvantage with regards to admission at institutions of higher learning.

And statistics might prove this to be true. According to a 2009 study by Princeton, students of asian descent “needed SAT scores that were about 140 points higher than white students, all other quantifiable variables being equal, to get into elite schools,” such as Harvard. (Also 270 points higher than a Hispanic student and 450 points higher than a Black student.)

“We are happy hearing that and hope for concrete steps taken by President Trump’s Justice Department,” Chunyan Li, a representative from the Asian American Coalition for Education told the College Fix.

“Who is to say [former President Barack] Obama’s daughters should have preference over a Chinatown cook’s son?” Li added.

According to a report from the College Fix, Harvard puts its federal funding at risk if the Trump Justice Department finds it guilty of discriminatory admissions practices against Asian-Americans. President Yukong Zhao of the Asian American Coalition for Education claims that the announcement from the Justice Department is “long overdue” and puts America back on the path to ensuring fair treatment for Asian-Americans in the college admissions process.

"We expect that the U.S. Departments of Justice and Education will take concrete actions to help restore the spirit of American Dream: reward individual efforts and merits, and treat all individuals equally.

We believe the fundamental way to achieve diversity is to reduce achievement gap in K-12 education, not through illegal racial balancing during college admissions. We would also support a socioeconomic status based policy if it effectively helps low-income families."

According to a report from the Crimson in 2015, Harvard University received $608 million in federal funding in 2014.

What a gem:

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Who is to say [former President Barack] Obama’s daughters should have preference over a Chinatown cook’s son?

Quote: (08-08-2017 09:45 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  

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Who is to say [former President Barack] Obama’s daughters should have preference over a Chinatown cook’s son?

Footage of Chunyan Li's comment:

The solution to preventing Asians from filling up our schools is an easy one.

Prevent the fuckers from getting here in the first place, especially those only coming here for school. Heavily restrict education visas. Easy as that.

Quote: (08-08-2017 10:59 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

The solution to preventing Asians from filling up our schools is an easy one.

Prevent the fuckers from getting here in the first place, especially those only coming here for school. Heavily restrict education visas. Easy as that.

It's fair to cut off access to people who aren't going to remain in America. That or really only take the best of the best and encourage them to stay -- because large portions of America's population are so degenerate or broken that Asian immigration has actually become a plus. White liberalism is a social cancer that undermines western civilization, attacks the family and religion, and will lead to the destruction of the country if left unchecked. Immigration from the smartest people from Asia (or Africa, or South America, or Eastern Europe) at worst makes the job market and academia a little more competitive. Conversely, it also introduces intelligent people with good family values and an actual culture.

No to Obama's daughters but yes to Bush and his daughters? They both have fathers who are alumni, former presidents, and donated significant amounts to the university. Wonder why he had to talk shit about black people and not legacy/donation admissions? Funny how the default with everyone is anything is OK but giving a leg up to black people- even if Mindy is your TV star sister, even if black people make up the smallest percentage of students in the Ivy League, no matter what do not give black people jack shit-especially if it is Obama's daughter, she definitely does not belong at Harvard. Yeah right....

Quote: (08-08-2017 01:30 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

Quote: (08-08-2017 10:59 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

The solution to preventing Asians from filling up our schools is an easy one.

Prevent the fuckers from getting here in the first place, especially those only coming here for school. Heavily restrict education visas. Easy as that.

It's fair to cut off access to people who aren't going to remain in America. That or really only take the best of the best and encourage them to stay -- because large portions of America's population are so degenerate or broken that Asian immigration has actually become a plus. White liberalism is a social cancer that undermines western civilization, attacks the family and religion, and will lead to the destruction of the country if left unchecked. Immigration from the smartest people from Asia (or Africa, or South America, or Eastern Europe) at worst makes the job market and academia a little more competitive. Conversely, it also introduces intelligent people with good family values and an actual culture.

So your solution to save America is to import asians, south americans, and eastern europeans? By importing more foreign cultures onto a decaying one?

That makes absolutely no sense and is about as bad as what the libtards want. America is a big country and there are huge swathes of non-degenerates out there. Get out of the big cities if you want to see what normal America looks like (it's worth saving).

Quote: (08-08-2017 01:39 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

No to Obama's daughters but yes to Bush and his daughters? They both have fathers who are alumni, former presidents, and donated significant amounts to the university. Wonder why he had to talk shit about black people and not legacy/donation admissions? Funny how the default with everyone is anything is OK but giving a leg up to black people- even if Mindy is your TV star sister, even if black people make up the smallest percentage of students in the Ivy League, no matter what do not give black people jack shit-especially if it is Obama's daughter, she definitely does not belong at Harvard. Yeah right....

Yeah - bad example. If your father was president of the US and an alumni then your Down-Syndrome daughter should be accepted.

As for well-off rich black non-alumnus, non-donors - that point of difference may indeed be dumb. Malia would and should get in no matter what by grace of her father's work.

Quote: (08-08-2017 02:14 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (08-08-2017 01:39 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

No to Obama's daughters but yes to Bush and his daughters? They both have fathers who are alumni, former presidents, and donated significant amounts to the university. Wonder why he had to talk shit about black people and not legacy/donation admissions? Funny how the default with everyone is anything is OK but giving a leg up to black people- even if Mindy is your TV star sister, even if black people make up the smallest percentage of students in the Ivy League, no matter what do not give black people jack shit-especially if it is Obama's daughter, she definitely does not belong at Harvard. Yeah right....

Yeah - bad example. If your father was president of the US and an alumni then your Down-Syndrome daughter should be accepted.

As for well-off rich black non-alumnus, non-donors - that point of difference may indeed be dumb. Malia would and should get in no matter what by grace of her father's work.

Nobody loves the downs people more than me, but...

Can you imagine if they started affirmative actionly making them cops and firemen and whatnot. On one hand, no tickets, on the other fires galore.

Just a thought.

Aloha!