Quote: (06-03-2017 10:15 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

Here is an interesting video from Bosnia showing European Muslims. Everything looks very beautiful and traditional. And it looks like they have a strong culture and raise their women to be traditional wives. This is very positive. This is proof that Islam has created a healthy environment where Europeans can have stable lives and procreate.

I hate to pile on on you, Sherman, but the optics on this video are just terrible. Those don't look like European women, they look straight out of Tehran or Cairo.

This is what Bosnian women really look like:



Not some kind of generic madrassa look out of Karachi. I'm guessing there is some Saudi/Gulf money behind this, and it should be stopped.

Quote: (06-03-2017 12:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

911, if you truly think that the ills between muslim and non-muslim boil down to globalist shennanigans then there's really nothing we can say or do to disprove that. 1000 muslims of different nationalities and flavours of islam could blow themselves up in teen concerts tomorrow and you could wipe it all aside with "all of them are CIA operatives or angry about middle-eastern intervention".

Frankly I don't care anymore. I want them mostly gone with only the most politically secular remaining in numbers that will never politically influence further immigration, and I will accept nothing less.

Fair point Leonard, I don't really disagree with your second paragraph here. But I think you're overlooking the "globalist shenanigans" in this story, and their ability to not only shape the narrative, but also the events.

Their influence in creating, funding and enabling groups like AlQuaeda, ISIS or Hamas is well documented. What does the fact that the deep state has plunked a half billion dollars into producing Isis jihadi media tells you about that group?

I don't see what the conflict is between "Globalists are using muslims as a tool to further their ends" and "Islam is evil and many of its practitioners love it to hurt Westerners, and need to go back."

Of course Leonard knows that Globalists are funding ISIS, etc. It's not like it's a big secret on this forum. But even if you took all that away, it's not like Islam would suddenly turn into a peaceful people. They'd still be expansionistic barbarians.

There's a reason the Globalists are putting their cash into Islam, and not, say, the Amish, after all.

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Quote: (06-02-2017 11:30 PM)911 Wrote:  

Do you see a path where gays would be prosecuted, let alone hung, in any western country, because sharia? I don't see the point of worrying about it, are gay rights in Iran something that keeps you up at night, considering our policies have killed millions across the region since the 1970s?

I'd be more worried about a religion that for 1400 years has killed millions wherever it went ... mainly because that track record indicates it's unlikely the religion is going to stop killing anytime soon wherever it goes.

Gay rights don't bother me. Unfortunately, that's not the only subject that shari'a covers.

Adultery, for instance. Good old fornication between the unmarried is included in that, one might add, so no more "courting" for you, no more "PUA" or even charity roots in the West. Adultery is punishable under shari'a by 100 lashes ... if you're a Muslim. If, however, it's adultery between a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim man, the sentence is death. These are regularly applied in Qatar, which runs completely on Shari'a, and in Saudi Arabia as well, where foreigners have to be very fucking careful who they have dinner with or who they go back to their room with.

Alcohol consumption also. Forty lashes, imposed by a Saudi court, in 2013. Not being under the influence, mind you, just for the alcohol consumption alone.

Let's leave aside your status as a non-Muslim living under sharia: you pay a jizya, a non-believer poll tax, for the fact you believe in something other than Mohammed. This goes for atheists, too, one might add; you're all dhimmis at shari'a, "protected" ... in the sense that cattle are protected. Your life is quite literally worth fractions that of a Muslim. You know ISIS's practice of forcing people to wear or daub symbols identifying themselves as Christians/Jews/etc? That doesn't come from Hitler. He borrowed the idea of the yellow star from Islam, which, at shari'a, demands that very practice and did so long, long before anyone ever said "Sieg Heil."

Let's also leave aside the way shari'a is enforced in Pakistan: the religious courts have power to stop or make orders against any act by the government said to be against Islamic law, and to review adherence to Islamic law. Protestants used to shit their drawers over the prospect of JFK becoming President because they feared as a Catholic he'd take orders from the fucking Pope. That fear is reality under shari'a, in Pakistan, and, in time, many other Muslim shitholes as well. And the West is rapidly becoming a Muslim shithole.

And if you're dumb enough to convert and either continue your other faith in secret, or be impudent enough to attempt to leave the religion, as with Afghanistan, "constitutional" Afghanistan whose constitution requires it to observe the UN's freedom of religion, the sentence is death.

As for the old "Meh, it'll never come here?"

In the UK there are already shari'a courts. As night follows day, there have been accompanying complaints that the system is allowing forced marriages and discriminatory divorce proceedings. In Germany, shari'a is explicitly part of Germany's private law. In time, and with enough Muslims, it will become part of their public law as well. This happens again and again as the proportion of the population that is Muslim rises above 4% and the populace gets comfortable enough to start imposing camelfucker law on Western people.

It's in your own country right now, Canada. Public schools in Toronto literally create temporary mosques on Friday so Muslims can listen to imams. Imagine the outrage if someone proposed the school cafeteria got taken over on a Wednesday for the exclusive use of Christians to listen to a priest's sermon. Your swimming pools have started to be segregated. 62% of the Muslims in Ottawa said they wanted to live under shari'a, in a 2011 poll.

At an press conference on August 26, 2016, Trudeau revealed himself as a closet Muslim:

"After meeting thousands of new Syrian refugees, listening to their stories and learning more about the Muslim faith, I have learned to love Islam and the people of Islam. Islam promotes peace, not violence and is in fact more peaceful than Christianity. I feel like this is the religion I belong with and I should identify as."

In 2017, Trudeau appointed Ahmed Hussen, a Muslim, as his Minister of Immigration. Over the next 18 years, Canada's Muslim population is projected to more than triple.

I am amazed that people who are willing to believe in secret cabals formed against the Western people scoff at the idea that a medieval ideology can be used for colonisation and takeover. I am amazed that people who believe in Bilderberg meetings and sinister anti-vax theories are able to believe that almost a billion people who follow a book that says to kill unbelievers or at least enslave them are "peaceful" and "present no threat".

There is a lot of info to process here, I'll try to cover most points.

I don't see Islam as a serious threat in N. America, but this doesn't mean that (1) we should let Saudis turn European women into hijabed figures straight out of Cairo and (2) we should not try to preserve our national heritage and fight the Kalergi/Javits plan.

I think some of you are so triggered by Islam that you miss the bigger picture here. Part of the problem is that most of the conservative media and political system is controlled opposition. Pam Geller, David Horowitz, the EDL (the neutered version of the BNF) and so forth. There is a lot of good content from The Rebel, Breitbart, Fox but there are lines they will not cross and an agenda they constantly cuck for, and this agenda is one of the driving force behind the problem.

Going back to your points above Paracelus, what does the retarded salafist take on adultery or alcohol consumption have to do on a thread about the West, how does this affect our lives today or even decades from now?

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You know ISIS's practice of forcing people to wear or daub symbols identifying themselves as Christians/Jews/etc? That doesn't come from Hitler. He borrowed the idea of the yellow star from Islam, which, at shari'a, demands that very practice and did so long, long before anyone ever said "Sieg Heil.

This is the kind of stuff that drives me nuts. Two points here: ISIS's practice is a practice that is completely foreign to the practices of the muslim-majority people that live there. In Syria and Iraq, Christian minorities lived side by side with the Muslims until a bunch of people from London and DC decided to tear up their countries and fund groups of foreign jihadis to come in and push the most perverted version of Islam.

You will argue that the ISIS version is the true, most literal version of Islam cause that's what Robert Spencer says, but my point is, those forms and practices have not been observed in Damascus or Baghdad, which are the cultural and historic capitals of the islamic region, until ISIS barged in with their hordes from Molenbeek and Chechnya. So why do you want to go by Isis' version when the muslim people there vehemently reject it, and in fact hundreds of thousands of them, including Muslims, have died fighting them?

The problem is that you rely completely on sources like Geller, instead of smaller, independent based right-wing sources like Patrick Henningsen or Henrik Palmgren who have a deeper reading of the situation there and are about as removed from the globalist influence as you can get, as opposed to being their tool/advocate.

Hitler borrowed the Jewish star patch from the Muslims, really? Do you also believe that the Palestinians inspired the "Holocaust" too? You really have to have some kind of filter to tune out the propaganda here. I'm not saying that there are not some real problems with Islam (Molenbeek is real), but this kind of media-driven near paranoia is part of the problem, it sets up a kind of wedge politics that keeps people on an emotional plane and blinds many on the right to the real forces pulling the strings.

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It's in your own country right now, Canada. Public schools in Toronto literally create temporary mosques on Friday so Muslims can listen to imams. Imagine the outrage if someone proposed the school cafeteria got taken over on a Wednesday for the exclusive use of Christians to listen to a priest's sermon. Your swimming pools have started to be segregated. 62% of the Muslims in Ottawa said they wanted to live under shari'a, in a 2011 poll.

97% of scientists don't actually believe that we're frying the earth, yet it's become an iron-clad mantra through repetition. That poll has been deliberately framed to push the notion that there is a complete scientific consensus on global warming. Some of the same dynamics might be at work in that poll. I know many Muslims here, and this stuff, excessive demands like segregated pools bothers them too.

I think it should be made clear to Muslim immigrants that they live in a Christian nation and have to comply with its habits as a basic courtesy, and I think most of them do comply. The problem is in the distortion of the notion of "reasonable accommodation". Where it gets all muddled is that we don't really live in a Christian nation anymore (see Trudeau statement), and less and less in a country with a European heritage, we live in a new age culture where basic values are undergoing all sorts of distortions, and something as basic as segregation in pools could actually get debated.

Women with hijabs have a harder time getting jobs, especially in Quebec, but that's not necessarily the problem of Canadians, because the lower the effort to integrate, the greater the economic hardships are going to be for them. There should be a middle ground where they have to accept the local customs, the problem here is the liberal cultural BS that Trudeau epitomizes.

Quote: (06-03-2017 02:09 PM)911 Wrote:  

I think it should be made clear to Muslim immigrants that they live in a Christian nation and have to comply with its habits as a basic courtesy, and I think most of them do comply. The problem is in the distortion of the notion of "reasonable accommodation". Where it gets all muddled is that we don't really live in a Christian nation anymore (see Trudeau statement), and less and less in a country with a European heritage, we live in a new age culture where basic values are undergoing all sorts of distortions, and something as basic as segregation in pools could actually get debated.

Women with hijabs have a harder time getting jobs, especially in Quebec, but that's not necessarily the problem of Canadians, because the lower the effort to integrate, the greater the economic hardships are going to be for them. There should be a middle ground where they have to accept the local customs, the problem here is the liberal cultural BS that Trudeau epitomizes.

Utterly delusional thinking - if you changed the Western population to 50% Muslim Middle Eastern, then by the grace of God you would have Iraq very quickly. The children being blown to bits in Manchester are not a threat?

The 200.000+ crimes committed each year by the new Germans (all Muslims) each year - those are not problematic? Sweden becoming the rape capital of the West is not problematic?

I think 911 that you went the route of Jim Stone (Oliver Stone's son who converted to Islam) and Henry Makow. Judaism is your big enemy and Islam is your greatest friend - according to Makow they are all peaceful and most attacks are staged with crisis actors. When I told Makow personally that I know a woman whose daughter was killed in Nice, then he responded that he never claimed that ALL NICE victims were crisis actors - just some.

Yeah - Islam is peaceful.

Samuel put it well:

I don't see what the conflict is between "Globalists are using muslims as a tool to further their ends" and "Islam is evil and many of its practitioners love it to hurt Westerners, and need to go back."

Both things are correct. The globalists are evil, but at least high-tech and logical in their approach. Islam is just straight evil, barbaric and disorganized. Both forces are dangerous though Islam only so because the globalists protect it and pump millions into the West. That protection must end however one day and then Islam will be snuffed out in the most brutal way.

Remember - Bin Laden, the Taliban, Gaddafi, Assad, Saddam - they were all great allies of the globalists. The Saudis will once be bombed to the stone age as well and Mecca will be a parking lot. Islam does not fit into the obedient secular globalist citizen who is a worker/consumer.

And no - I don't want Islam to win either, because I personally consider that even worse - and honestly they cannot win. I said it again and again that the North Asians will never bow to it. In South America they would rather murder every potential Jihadi and destroy all mosques if such frequent attacks happened as in France (a Chilean Ex-Muslim said so recently in an interview where he said that most Chileans would likely start lynch-mobs if Islam behaved the way it does in Europe).

Quote: (06-03-2017 04:54 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Utterly delusional thinking - if you changed the Western population to 50% Muslim Middle Eastern, then by the grace of God you would have Iraq very quickly. The children being blown to bits in Manchester are not a threat?

The 200.000+ crimes committed each year by the new Germans (all Muslims) each year - those are not problematic? Sweden becoming the rape capital of the West is not problematic?

I think 911 that you went the route of Jim Stone (Oliver Stone's son who converted to Islam) and Henry Makow. Judaism is your big enemy and Islam is your greatest friend - according to Makow they are all peaceful and most attacks are staged with crisis actors. When I told Makow personally that I know a woman whose daughter was killed in Nice, then he responded that he never claimed that ALL NICE victims were crisis actors - just some.

Yeah - Islam is peaceful.

Samuel put it well:

I don't see what the conflict is between "Globalists are using muslims as a tool to further their ends" and "Islam is evil and many of its practitioners love it to hurt Westerners, and need to go back."

Both things are correct. The globalists are evil, but at least high-tech and logical in their approach. Islam is just straight evil, barbaric and disorganized. Both forces are dangerous though Islam only so because the globalists protect it and pump millions into the West. That protection must end however one day and then Islam will be snuffed out in the most brutal way.

Remember - Bin Laden, the Taliban, Gaddafi, Assad, Saddam - they were all great allies of the globalists. The Saudis will once be bombed to the stone age as well and Mecca will be a parking lot. Islam does not fit into the obedient secular globalist citizen who is a worker/consumer.

And no - I don't want Islam to win either, because I personally consider that even worse - and honestly they cannot win. I said it again and again that the North Asians will never bow to it. In South America they would rather murder every potential Jihadi and destroy all mosques if such frequent attacks happened as in France (a Chilean Ex-Muslim said so recently in an interview where he said that most Chileans would likely start lynch-mobs if Islam behaved the way it does in Europe).

Zel, I love most of the stuff you write here and agree completely with most of it, you're one of the best contributors in this forum. But on this subject, you lack any kind of nuance. It's as if your rational side shuts down when "islam".

About Makow, his monotone view misses the shades of grey and undermines his message, which is really too bad because his site has a whole lot of very solid content (especially on the field of social engineering) but it is often wrapped in a clumsy package. Still a great resource though, one you have to sift through to get to the bottom of things.

Sean Stone is not on my A list, but he does have good programs. I didn't know he was a Muslim, I wouldn't hold that against him because he's done shows critical of Islam like the one about how the Iranian theocracy was engineered by the deep state.

Nice was not a hoax or staged event, but did it not have a lot of the hallmarks of an event that was at the very least allowed to happen and managed to some extent (perfectly-positioned Isreali journalist to capture the scene as it happened, then again the same guy filming in Munich, funding sources, seized/unpublished camera footage, eyewitnesses testimonies fundamentally incompatible with official version of events, etc...), I think you agree with me here.

No I don't hate Jews, I grew up with a lot Jewish friends and dated a few. With Judaism though there is a barrier in discussing real issues associated with Talmudist culture and its reflection in the agenda of the wide Jewish side of the oligarchy. A lot of people get branded as antisemites just for breaching the subject. People like E. Michael Jones, who is one of the sharpest political and theological intellectuals today.

With Islam, my position is the same as that of le Pen or de Gaulle, I've got no beef (or pork? ) with them provided they don't turn Paris into the casbah, or Toronto into Karachi. I feel the same though about animists from Congo or Sikhs from the Punjab.

I agree that there is a huge problem with Muslims in W. Europe and Scandinavia. Europe is much more vulnerable than N. America there.

Religions are more malleable than we think, even though their scriptures and foundations are more rigid. You look at Christianity, and how Catholicism was undermined from inside through Vatican II. Or how Dispensationalism came to nearly dominate branches of Protestantism in the South, its rise was not organic.

The same is true of islam, and even more so, because the entire muslim world has been colonized for at least a century. Theocracies get propped, other regimes get destroyed, depending on the whims and interests of those who ultimately rule the region. You have to understand the nature and roots of the current globalist brand of Islam, do the research there on Salafism, Saudis, Isis, AQ, and their forebearers like the Muslim Brotherhood, whose leader Banna was a high level freemason. You can't be a mason and a Muslim, or a mason and a true Christian for that matter. You also have to contrast that research and what you hear in the media with your real life travel experiences and your contacts with Muslims. And no, I don't believe that the muslim strains above are benign.

911, we here are capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.

We are not anti-islam at the expense of being anti-globalist. Sambro put it well and my opinion is the same as his. The globalists are the masters and islam is the attack dog. You can try to frame the vast majority of muslims as peaceful people but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. Muslims self segregate even when treated well, and their aggression towards their hosts grows whether it be an open aggression or a passive one.

There is no tolerance involved when you live in the vicinity of the call to prayer. The hostile muslims will demand you abandon open displays of your religion in the name of secularity, while the "peaceful" muslims install minarets and blast their accursed wailing as far as modern speakers will allow, claiming to be victims of oppression if people complain.

And at the base of it all is that accursed book, because even if you vanished all of the globalists and all of violent muslims, the very next week a frustrated male muslim incel would pop open the Koran, actually read it, and we'd be back to square one in short order.

Quote: (06-03-2017 10:15 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

Here is an interesting video from Bosnia showing European Muslims. Everything looks very beautiful and traditional. And it looks like they have a strong culture and raise their women to be traditional wives. This is very positive. This is proof that Islam has created a healthy environment where Europeans can have stable lives and procreate.

There are barely any hijabs in Bosnia. Most of "muslim" girls dress more like conservative latinas. With tight shirts to show off their huge tits.

That video is more likely to be in Germany or Austria.

Quote: (06-03-2017 02:09 PM)911 Wrote:  

Going back to your points above Paracelus, what does the retarded salafist take on adultery or alcohol consumption have to do on a thread about the West, how does this affect our lives today or even decades from now?

You might ask the residents of Constantinople that question. Oh, sorry, Istanbul, not Constantinople, cause it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Or the church, er, mosque of Hagia Sofia.

If you let this ideology in, it eventually conquers and rules over your people. The only cultures that ever pushed back Islam did so by force: the Reconquista. The Sikhs. Medieval Europe, at the Battle of Vienna and for centuries earlier.

And I'm surprised you don't get the point I'm making. You tried to minimise the significance of shari'a by effectively saying "Lol, who cares about gay rights." Shari'a is a complete system of law, government, and religion across every facet of existence. It covers everything from, as I said, in vino veritas through to whether non-Muslims can fuck Muslims without converting. The prohibition on alcohol consumption is just one aspect of the utter enslavement that Islam via shari'a demands from believers and those nonbelievers who fall under its sword.

Quote: (06-03-2017 02:09 PM)911 Wrote:  

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You know ISIS's practice of forcing people to wear or daub symbols identifying themselves as Christians/Jews/etc? That doesn't come from Hitler. He borrowed the idea of the yellow star from Islam, which, at shari'a, demands that very practice and did so long, long before anyone ever said "Sieg Heil.

This is the kind of stuff that drives me nuts. Two points here: ISIS's practice is a practice that is completely foreign to the practices of the muslim-majority people that live there. In Syria and Iraq, Christian minorities lived side by side with the Muslims until a bunch of people from London and DC decided to tear up their countries and fund groups of foreign jihadis to come in and push the most perverted version of Islam.

Christians in Iraq?

Hmm. Let's go to Leftiepedia on the subject for the potted history:

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Christianity was brought to Iraq in the 1st century by Thomas the Apostle and Mar Addai (Thaddeus of Edessa) and his pupils Aggai and Mari. Thomas and Thaddeus belonged to the twelve Apostles.[5] Iraq's Eastern Aramaic-speaking Assyrian communities are believed to be among the oldest in the world.

The Assyrian people adopted Christianity in the 1st century[3] and Assyria in northern Iraq became the centre of Eastern Rite Christianity and Syriac literature from the 1st century until the Middle Ages. Christianity initially lived alongside Mesopotamian religion among the Assyrians, until the latter began to die out during the 4th century.

In the early centuries after the Arab Islamic conquest of the 7th century, Assyria (also known as Athura and Assuristan) was dissolved by the Arabs as a geo-political entity, however native Assyrian (known as Ashuriyun by the Arabs) scholars and doctors played an influential role in Iraq. However, from the late 13th century through to the present time, Assyrian Christians have suffered both religious and ethnic persecution, including a number of massacres. ... When the 14th-century Muslim warlord of Turco-Mongol descent, Timur (Tamerlane), conquered Persia, Mesopotamia and Syria, the civilian population was decimated. Timur had 70,000 Assyrian Christians beheaded in Tikrit, and 90,000 more in Baghdad.[7][8] A new epoch began in the 17th century when Emir Afrasiyab of Basra allowed the Portuguese to build a church outside of the city.

I'm sure Tamerlane was working for the Joos or British colonial powers, right?

"Oh, but things got better in the pluralistic, atheistic, postmodernist, post-industrial 20th century!"

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During World War One the Assyrians of northern Iraq, southeast Turkey, northeast Syria and northwest Iran suffered the Assyrian genocide which accounted for the deaths of up to 65% of the entire Assyrian population. In the year of Iraq´s formal independence, 1933, the Iraqi military carried out large-scale massacres against the Assyrians (Simele massacre) which had supported the British colonial administration before.

In the early 1930s, the Iraqi Arab ministries disseminated leaflets among the Kurds calling them to join them to massacre Assyrians. This call appealed to Islamic convictions and united Arabs and Kurds against the infidel Christians.[9] Shortly before the August 11 Simmele massacre in 1933, Kurds began a campaign of looting against Assyrian settlements. The Assyrians fled to Simele, where they were also persecuted. According to some studies, there were many accounts by witnesses of numerous atrocities perpetrated by Arabs and Kurds on Assyrian women.

But please, 911, tell me every Assyrian Christian in Iraq deserved to be massacred because they happened to support a British administration, or that such support was the real reason for the massacre!

What about under the enlightened dictator Saddam Hussein?

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In 1987, the last Iraqi census counted 1.4 million Christians.[10] They were tolerated under the secular regime of Saddam Hussein, who even made one of them, Tariq Aziz, his deputy. However, persecution by Saddam Hussein continued against the Christians on an ethnic, cultural and racial level, as the vast majority are Mesopotamian Aramaic speaking. The Neo-Aramaic language and writing was repressed, the giving of Syriac Christian names or Akkadian/Assyro-Babylonian names forbidden (Tariq Aziz's given name is Mikhail Yuhanna, for example), and Saddam exploited religious differences between Iraqi Christians' denominations such as the Chaldean Catholic Church, Syriac Orthodox Church, Assyrian Church of the East and Ancient Church of the East. Over 2,000 Iraqi Christians were ethnically cleansed from their towns and villages under the al Anfal Campaign of 1988.

Prior to the Gulf War in 1991, Christians numbered one million in Iraq.[3] The Baathist rule under Saddam Hussein kept anti-Christian violence under control but subjected some to "relocation programmes".[3] Under this regime, the predominantly ethnically and linguistically distinct Assyrians were pressured to identify as Arabs. The Christian population fell to an estimated 800,000 during the 2003 Iraq War.[3] Just under 1,500,000 Christians were alleged in the region prior to August 2014.

"Er, er, well, things got better after Saddam was deposed..."

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The overthrow of Saddam regime, the stationing of American troops from a predominantly Christian country(U.S) inside the predominantly Muslim country of Iraq served to feed Islamist propaganda that so-called infidels were launching a crusade in the cradle of Islam. Coalition Troops were therefore subjected to constant attacks from Sunni and Shiite brigades, while those same brigades deemed the Christian population of Iraq as the enemy within because it shared the same faith as the so-called invaders, even though there were many significant Christian generals and soldiers among Iraqi troops under Saddam regime. Despite that, persecution against the Christian population in Iraq had never been as brutal as it has been in the 13 years since the 2003 Iraq war.

No ISIS required. Let's underline that: these are Christians native to Iraq who are being targeted because they share the same faith as US troops. Not because they are better-tech knights from Europe.

And as for Christianity in Syria, under the Alawite (i.e. not-meant-to-be-as-fucking-nuts-as-Sunni) brand of Islam?

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Christians in Syria make up about 11.2% of the population.[1] The country's largest Christian denomination is the Orthodox Church of Antioch (known as the Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East),[2][better source needed][3][4] closely followed by the Melkite Catholic Church, one of the Eastern Catholic Churches, which has a common root with the Orthodox Church of Antioch,[5] and then by an Oriental Orthodoxy churches like Syriac Orthodox Church and Armenian Apostolic Church. There are also a minority of Protestants and members of the Assyrian Church of the East and Chaldean Catholic Church. The city of Aleppo is believed to have the largest number of Christians in Syria. In the late Ottoman rule, most Syrian Christians have emigrated, especially after the bloody chain of events that targeted Christians in particular in 1840, 1845, the 1860 Mount Lebanon civil war and the Assyrian genocide, according to historian Philip Hitti, approximately 900,000 "Syrians" arrived in the United States between 1899 and 1919 (more than 90% of them were Christians).[6]

Of course Muslims and Christians can live side by side. Just so long as the Christians are dhimmis.

Quote: (06-03-2017 02:09 PM)911 Wrote:  

You will argue that the ISIS version is the true, most literal version of Islam cause that's what Robert Spencer says, but my point is, those forms and practices have not been observed in Damascus or Baghdad, which are the cultural and historic capitals of the islamic region, until ISIS barged in with their hordes from Molenbeek and Chechnya. So why do you want to go by Isis' version when the muslim people there vehemently reject it, and in fact hundreds of thousands of them, including Muslims, have died fighting them?

You are arguing a massive straw man. Did you not notice that not one of the examples of bullshit shari'a laws I mentioned are the ones practiced by ISIS? They are all in supposedly "civilised", "peaceful" Muslim majority nations. That is shari'a in practice. Again: no ISIS required.

Quote: (06-03-2017 02:09 PM)911 Wrote:  

Hitler borrowed the Jewish star patch from the Muslims, really?

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem stayed for lengthy periods of time as Hitler's guest in Berlin. That is a matter of historical record. So too is Islamic use of the yellow star of shame. Look up the Pact of Omar, from 637 AD. That's how old and revered a practice it is under Islam.

Quote: (06-03-2017 02:09 PM)911 Wrote:  

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It's in your own country right now, Canada. Public schools in Toronto literally create temporary mosques on Friday so Muslims can listen to imams. Imagine the outrage if someone proposed the school cafeteria got taken over on a Wednesday for the exclusive use of Christians to listen to a priest's sermon. Your swimming pools have started to be segregated. 62% of the Muslims in Ottawa said they wanted to live under shari'a, in a 2011 poll.

97% of scientists don't actually believe that we're frying the earth, yet it's become an iron-clad mantra through repetition. That poll has been deliberately framed to push the notion that there is a complete scientific consensus on global warming. Some of the same dynamics might be at work in that poll. I know many Muslims here, and this stuff, excessive demands like segregated pools bothers them too.

Rule one of all arguments that "B-b-b-but most Muslims aren't like that!":

The moderate majority is irrelevant. The moderate majority does not turn in its own radicals. This is demonstrable also from the recent survey that two thirds of Muslims surveyed would not report a terrorist to the authorities ... either because they sympathise with such terrorists or because they're too scared of blowback from their own faith, their own religion, for ratting on a Muslim to an infidel. But please go ahead and tell me that all of these surveys are rigged, preferably with some proof this time, not a supposition.

Read your Nassim Taleb on this to see how radicalism takes hold and transforms "moderate" communities. And while you're at it, go and look up what Islam says the last words of the peaceful, tolerant prophet Mohammed were.

Dr. Laurence Brown is a graduate of Cornell University and an ophthalmic surgeon. In this video he gives his incredible story. When he was married to a Catholic woman he accepted Islam. His wife immediately divorced him and put out a restraining order against him even though he was no threat. She took away his children with the help of the state. He was forced to live in poverty for years while paying their bills. But he stuck to his faith. After persevering the persecution, he is now remarried and lives in Saudi Arabia. He says that he is actually happier now with his new wife and urges men to stick to their faith to win a better life. This is the kind of story which can really help men improve their lives. It is also a concrete example of how a man found freedom in Saudi Arabia after enduring persecution in the feminist United States.

Sherman - your Islam propaganda is so bad, that it is already funny.

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This is the kind of story which can really help men improve their lives.

You are right - that guy here and 2 of his brothers improved their life and are having sex now with 72 virgins:



Also - I would have recommended her to divorce him too and take his children away. If I was his employer I would have fired him just as well under some pretext (because he would sue me for Islamophobia bullshit). Most often the Islamic husband takes the children, plops them in Saudi Arabia and the mother never sees them again. He was a Westerner, so he did not have a family there which would have been tougher, but for a Saudi, Pakistani and Afghani expat this would be easy.

His wife did well.

Can't imagine why a wife wouldn't want her children to be indoctrinated in Satan's death cult?

All of those by the way rich.

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/201...join-isis/

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The report (From American College Campuses to ISIS Camps: How Hundreds of Saudis Joined ISIS in the U.S.) details how hundreds of Saudi nationals living in the United States joined the terrorist group ISIS in the past three years.

According to our investigation, approximately 400 Saudi and Kuwaiti nationals living in the United States mostly on government scholarships have joined terrorist groups, mainly ISIS.

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The report reveals how the Saudi government blocked this information from U.S. authorities and did very little to stop the flow of Saudis in the U.S. from joining ISIS and other armed groups in Syria and Iraq. This was reflected in President Donald Trump excluding Saudi Arabia from his first and second executive orders to ban the citizens of seven countries from entering the United States for 90 days. Saudi nationals are the number one ISIS recruits from within the United States.

Saudis - the enemies you can trust.

I will say this for Muslims:

They figured out how to maximize their access to pussy.

Women can get killed for dating non-muslim men, the men can date/marry outside the faith.

I know a couple Muslim girls with a (supposedly enlightened) Muslim father, white mother.

Father won't let the girls date white men. Girls won't call him out on the double standard. They are traditional & hot AF by the way.

Quote: (06-03-2017 10:06 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Quote: (06-03-2017 10:15 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

Here is an interesting video from Bosnia showing European Muslims. Everything looks very beautiful and traditional. And it looks like they have a strong culture and raise their women to be traditional wives. This is very positive. This is proof that Islam has created a healthy environment where Europeans can have stable lives and procreate.

There are barely any hijabs in Bosnia. Most of "muslim" girls dress more like conservative latinas. With tight shirts to show off their huge tits.

That video is more likely to be in Germany or Austria.

I wrote the original datasheet on Sarajevo.

In addition, there is a great thread with pics here. If I may brag just a little, its author Ben Akiba fully endorsed my original data sheet.

Muslim garb is extremely rare there, and usually no more than a head scarf on women. Often it is Middle Easterners who moved there during the Yugoslavia Civil War or are visiting.

I agree with the counter posts above except for the girls' huge tits. Bosniak women have fantastic hour glass figures and beautiful faces that are a wonderful cross between Italian and Slavic. While they have nice racks, I wouldn't call them huge on average.

Quote: (06-04-2017 01:56 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Sherman - your Islam propaganda is so bad, that it is already funny.

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This is the kind of story which can really help men improve their lives.

You are right - that guy here and 2 of his brothers improved their life and are having sex now with 72 virgins:



Also - I would have recommended her to divorce him too and take his children away. If I was his employer I would have fired him just as well under some pretext (because he would sue me for Islamophobia bullshit). Most often the Islamic husband takes the children, plops them in Saudi Arabia and the mother never sees them again. He was a Westerner, so he did not have a family there which would have been tougher, but for a Saudi, Pakistani and Afghani expat this would be easy.

His wife did well.

In other words, you are in favor a feminist court system which treats men unfairly. That is the difference between me and you. I am not a feminist.

Quote: (06-04-2017 04:35 PM)Enoch Wrote:  

I will say this for Muslims:

They figured out how to maximize their access to pussy.

Women can get killed for dating non-muslim men, the men can date/marry outside the faith.

I know a couple Muslim girls with a (supposedly enlightened) Muslim father, white mother.

Father won't let the girls date white men. Girls won't call him out on the double standard. They are traditional & hot AF by the way.

All Muslim countries have immense sexual pressure where only the top get pussy galore and multiple wives while for the rest it is easier to find a power-bottom than a woman.

Men don't marry at age 18, some wait until they are 30. So are they going to have to wait like a sexless dildo for marriage? Also there is a chronic shortage of women, polygamy squeezes the poorer men out. In the past they had sex-slaves, rape and other tools, but that is no longer the case. Muslim societies are incredibly sexually frustrated.

What you are describing are Muslim families in the West. And guess what happens when the daughter disobeys her dad? Often enough it ends in death of the daughter in order to restore honor. When killing your daughter is more honorable than her marrying a non-Muslim, then your religion is a piece of dung and Satanic and not divine.

Get it over with - the war ideology of Islam was designed for Mohammed and his top generals to get motivated soldiers, conquer as much as possible, grab as much pussy for themselves and live high on the hog raping and pillaging - all clad in religious garb.

The traditional West had it better - those that could married early - that was the majority. The others got the minority of slutty women and prostitutes - West was far less sexually frustrated than other societies. There was a gulf that separated the honorable women from the dishonorable ones, but the men fucked the dishonorable ones just as well, the low-tier ones even married some of them. There was no need to conquer the world for pussy.

Dr. Laurence Brown is a concrete example of a Muslim man who stood up to a feminist system which is unfair to men. He took the blows and survived and became stronger. It's interesting that the "alt-right" claims that the white "race" is being threatened. But they are led by gays and don't have children. Dr. Laurence is a white man who has children. Islam is a religion and not about race. It seems to make white men stronger and black men stronger. The peaceful people who live everyday life and take the blows will silently take over. The violent don't win over the long term.

Quote: (06-04-2017 06:43 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

The violent don't win over the long term.

The history of Islam, with its relentless genocides, jihads, pogroms, and conquests, resulting in one-seventh of the planet's population under Mohammed's delusions, disagrees with you.

On this subject you are a typical Western idiot who thinks a poorly-produced youtube video amounts to carefully considered evidence. But given your uncritical production of North Korean propaganda videos as "fact" of life under Lil' Kim's regime, why should any of us be surprised?

Quote: (06-04-2017 04:35 PM)Enoch Wrote:  

I will say this for Muslims:

They figured out how to maximize their access to pussy.

Women can get killed for dating non-muslim men, the men can date/marry outside the faith.

I know a couple Muslim girls with a (supposedly enlightened) Muslim father, white mother.

Father won't let the girls date white men. Girls won't call him out on the double standard. They are traditional & hot AF by the way.

Rapists have maximised their access to pussy, too; no gaming or logistics required. Wouldn't say they're to be emulated and admired for that any more than the Muslim religion is.

Let's not forget the hijab's real statement: it is saying to every single man around "You are a dog who has no control over his dick, a dog that I will control by denial of access to even the sight of a single inch of female flesh." That is not an admission of patriarchy or masculinity, that is spitting on a young man's natural sexual drive that he needs to get under control.

Quote: (06-04-2017 07:29 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (06-04-2017 04:35 PM)Enoch Wrote:  

I will say this for Muslims:

They figured out how to maximize their access to pussy.

Women can get killed for dating non-muslim men, the men can date/marry outside the faith.

I know a couple Muslim girls with a (supposedly enlightened) Muslim father, white mother.

Father won't let the girls date white men. Girls won't call him out on the double standard. They are traditional & hot AF by the way.

Rapists have maximised their access to pussy, too; no gaming or logistics required. Wouldn't say they're to be emulated and admired for that any more than the Muslim religion is.

Let's not forget the hijab's real statement: it is saying to every single man around "You are a dog who has no control over his dick, a dog that I will control by denial of access to even the sight of a single inch of female flesh." That is not an admission of patriarchy or masculinity, that is spitting on a young man's natural sexual drive that he needs to get under control.

A Hijab is a statement of a woman's respect for men by not distracting them in public. Our great great grandmothers wore more layers of clothing than the Hijab.

Quote: (06-04-2017 09:22 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

A Hijab is a statement of a woman's respect for men by not distracting them in public. Our great great grandmothers wore more layers of clothing than the Hijab.

Your great great grandmother wore more layers of clothing than the hijab because she lived in a climate that required them on pain of freezing to death. Idiot.

But I'm sure you have a poorly-produced youtube video to back your point*













*North Korean government source optional.

Quote: (06-04-2017 07:29 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (06-04-2017 04:35 PM)Enoch Wrote:  

I will say this for Muslims:

They figured out how to maximize their access to pussy.

Women can get killed for dating non-muslim men, the men can date/marry outside the faith.

I know a couple Muslim girls with a (supposedly enlightened) Muslim father, white mother.

Father won't let the girls date white men. Girls won't call him out on the double standard. They are traditional & hot AF by the way.

Rapists have maximised their access to pussy, too; no gaming or logistics required. Wouldn't say they're to be emulated and admired for that any more than the Muslim religion is.

Let's not forget the hijab's real statement: it is saying to every single man around "You are a dog who has no control over his dick, a dog that I will control by denial of access to even the sight of a single inch of female flesh." That is not an admission of patriarchy or masculinity, that is spitting on a young man's natural sexual drive that he needs to get under control.

I'm not saying this gender dynamic is superior to that of secular, urban, white America. But if you are an introverted Arab, middle 50th percentile Arab man in the west you have a far easier time marrying a traditional woman than you do as a white man in the west.

Woman with veil (hijab) in the 1800s.

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Quote: (06-04-2017 10:53 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

Woman with veil (hijab) in the 1800s.

Actually, no, it isn't.

It is a painting called Young Lady With a Veil by Eugene de Blass, as you can tell from the signature at the top right.

de Blass painted Venetians. Venice was not Islamic in the 1800s. This is not a picture of a woman with a hijab. Idiot.