Hi guys! As you all know, the type of game we choose is like a clothe: some fit best than others, what suit your friend may not suit you even though there are some generalities. So I've decided to start this thread to exchange game tips for those like me who are the intense kind, so our advice will be more tailored and thus more effective.

How to know if you have an intense personality
Some of the things that come to mind:

• You may feel really up or really down while others are more constant
• You induce crazy strong sexual tension really fast
• You polarize a lot quickly: some people really like you, some hate you. You are noticed and people won't feel neutral about you for long
• You have strong ideas
• You may provoke a lot
  

Some things I learned/use for an effective game

• Kinos. I do it a lot more and a lot faster than other players without any problem. I highly recommend "Stealth Attraction" from gambler for that (you can watch all the 2nd dvd here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DsVwYqVhdU). I escalate really fast when I aim for a close the same night but it seems I have to dial it down if I aim for a close next time during a date
• Push-pull. Aw yeah, don't hesitate to throw people off balance and dare things. The only things is I neg too hard sometime and don't really know how to refine it.
• Eye contact. A must, look at her like you're probing her soul
• Expect mild to strong resistance unless she's DTF. With a personality like us, we can't fly under the radar like some players do, so expect resistance. if she's not, she's either DTF or doesn't care. It can be seen as a good thing: she's giving you occasions to show your (superior) value
• Be extremely bold. I will be honest: it can be a bit scary sometimes and even if I do, you get harsh rejection sometimes. But it pays as well: once I was alone in an almost empty club. I walked slowly to a group of 4 girls, sat on the couch between 2 of them and said "Hi, i'm trouble". Did number close my target and for our 1st date, she finished with my cum on her boobs and her saying "that's weird cause you're not my type usually"
  

My moves: get her wet like never before
-Use sometimes silence when she talks. She will stop talking and expect you to continue. Just look her deeply in the eyes. She will blush/giggle/say "what?" with a smile
-When you have kissed her already and are walking hand in hand calmly, stop and look at a wall nearby. She will look as well: at this exact moment, push her against the wall (be careful not to hurt her like with door knob or else or it will ruins it) and start heavy makeout. This move was the final piece to get one of my close: she was so excited
-When you have had one or two dates, you know she's interested yet it's hard to get to the next level: Send her what I call the "50 shades of text". It's a text where you are extremely explicit on what you are gonna do to her. Use nice words (bad example: I'm gonna lick your boobs - Good example: My tongue will slowly caress your breasts full of desire). It's an extremely long text and I usually stop at the moment when it's supposed to be the 1st penetration with a line like "and then we will take off for the 7th skies...": don't tell her everything, make her want more. This text has gotten me the bang as well when I felt stuck.

Some areas I'm still experimenting
-I'm not sure about how much to connect with the girl. These days I'm more looking for dates and regular girl so I don't aim for same night lays. Even if I induce extreme sexual tension, I still got lots of flakes. Maybe it's because I'm not really a "real person" in her mind, just fun for the night (bang or not) and should reveal more about me?
-It's hard to get consistent to get in the zone: I manage it sometime and feel like the king, the rest I feel annoyed or my game is too flat

So if you're intense & passionate, please share your tips, and you experiences!!!

I enjoyed reading this. Gave me few ideas how to intensify my game

I like to run passionate intense Latino game. I'll tell girls all kinds of crazy shit on the first date: I'll tell them I'm going to get them pregnant, I'll be their sugar daddies, I'm going to wife them up, cum in their pussy raw etc. Girls LOVE this, very few guys talk to them like this. Girls love the passion and he intensity.

OP,

this is 90% my game as I'm a really polarizing person but I've actually learned to scale it back. I find with the natural intensity, just being more relaxed especially with body language really brings down the defenses.

I NEVER make out unless I'm in a spot to bang anymore though. I basically just keep them boiling with touch and just let them cook themselves. I also don't do the explicit text stuff because I don't like texting them and I think it's counter productive unless you've banged a few times.

And after the bang, I always go a bit "beta." I reveal something personal and I always give them a specific compliment that I know will stroke their ego just so I don't get any regrets from them.

Quote: (05-15-2017 08:51 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

I enjoyed reading this. Gave me few ideas how to intensify my game

No need, you're already a little pervert

Quote: (05-16-2017 03:41 AM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

OP,

this is 90% my game as I'm a really polarizing person but I've actually learned to scale it back. I find with the natural intensity, just being more relaxed especially with body language really brings down the defenses.

I NEVER make out unless I'm in a spot to bang anymore though. I basically just keep them boiling with touch and just let them cook themselves. I also don't do the explicit text stuff because I don't like texting them and I think it's counter productive unless you've banged a few times.

And after the bang, I always go a bit "beta." I reveal something personal and I always give them a specific compliment that I know will stroke their ego just so I don't get any regrets from them.

Interesting, cause I'm doing almost the same for makeout: unless I'm in the club and will push for the bang immediately, I found that giving them "everything" right now will make them flake so it's best to keep them wanting my lips.
It's not beta to reveal something something very personal, even some small vulnerability: on the contrary I found it strengthen my interaction with the girl: I'm not just the ultraconfident supposedly "perfect" guy, I'm real and I think it triggers a bit their mother instinct. Nobody likes someone perfect.

The Ghost & the flame (credit Mystery) : a pillar of intense game

So it has been a while, but I wanna redirect this subject to a weak point of my game and probably for other intense guys : the ghost.
I don't know for you guys, but even with very decent results, sometimes you encounter a type of negative reaction so much that after a certain girl, you say ENOUGH. Today was that day for me. So I decided to tackle this problem once and for all by writing this so it would help you & me.

Context
Intense game is great, but if you want her too much (you really want her to be your FWB because your harem collapsed or simply she is a quality girl with serious potential), I have a tendency to keep putting energy and attraction material to turn her on. The result is of course that i lose her. Simply said I do give too much fuck. It's easy to be detached when it's just an easy girl, but if I put a hot traditional & feminine girl in front of you, I'm sure I'm not the only one whose a bit too much interested.

Ghost & flame concept
It's a term used by Mystery in revelations, it is the 2 sides one must have to completely attract a girl. The flame is basically passion : it's when you shine, you joke, you kino, you hold deep eye contact, etc. For intense guys, it's probably already natural. The Ghost however is what we lack : it's basically the "I don't give a fuck attitude". So let's focus on that.

How to be a ghost (not just for halloween)
As we said, the ghost is being a bit disinterested, having other things in mind. The big mistake when doing it is to convey it in a rude manner. It should not feel like a punishment for the girl, but rather as something that is naturally part of our behaviour, hence the importance of doing it soon in our interaction with the girl.
Some specific ways of doing it include:
-Arriving late at a date (5-10min in enough or it will get in the rude zone)
-being a bit unreactive
-No kino/kiss all the time
-Being unavailable certain days ("I'm seeing that friend" or "I'm a bit sick") and you don't see her a lot in the beginning of the relationship (serious or not)
-don't text her too much. Often, she has to wait several hours for an answer from you
-Not taking things too negatively : it's no big deal
-Conveying that you can walk away at all time : you are not owned and you have certain standards for yourself. If she can't meet it, you do walk away but not to punish her but rather to find what is good for you

Look for a lot of guys "intense" is arrived at only after drinking 7 beers.
This liquid confidence gets tiresome as the years pass on and will result in crappy performance on the playing field.
I would like to substitute intense with presence
Which satisfies day and night game and keeps me emotionally true to myself.
Presence means your noticed, gathering interest, and focused upon.
I liked some of the ways stated above to get into a more intimate position with a girl. below is an old one
Say to chicks ..are you chewing gum? ( most do) ...Let me see it ( she'd stick out her tongue) and I'd grab the gum and start chewing it.

Anyways chicks like to be the object of desires and addicted to getting butterflies but the older or more sober they are the less likely they buy the dog and pony intensity show.
Basically it means getting her "intense" and focused on you.. meaning you don't have to oversell fake yourself or fake desires...she sold herself by your presence

Quote: (10-20-2017 09:20 AM)James Bond Next level Wrote:  

The Ghost & the flame (credit Mystery) : a pillar of intense game






How to be a ghost (not just for halloween)
As we said, the ghost is being a bit disinterested, having other things in mind. The big mistake when doing it is to convey it in a rude manner. It should not feel like a punishment for the girl, but rather as something that is naturally part of our behaviour, hence the importance of doing it soon in our interaction with the girl.
Some specific ways of doing it include:

-Conveying that you can walk away at all time : you are not owned and you have certain standards for yourself. If she can't meet it, you do walk away but not to punish her but rather to find what is good for you

Being 'intense', how do you handle girls who are flaky? Attempting to reengage might look different to her than if other guys do it. Walking away might have a greater effect but it might come across as rude. Also, word choice and not speaking too much at the beginning is key to hold their attention.

If a guy is 'intense', am not sure if in today's day and age, its a good thing showing it too much at the outset. Girls today don't seem to know how to respond to 'intense' behavior from some guys, they might end up getting labelled as a creep if its not calibrated well. But, some of the moves can give great results when you have already brought her out on a date or 2 to keep things interesting which is much easier.

Try camping...it's fucking in tents

Let's keep in mind, intense game is probably not the safest nor the most efficient: some girls get intimidated indeed, but on the over hand it can give very positive result. We discuss it here as some guys like me don't really have a choice, it's our personality. So let's make the best out of it.
I agree about tuning the intense part at first unless you're looking for a ONS (the ghost come in play) and gradually increasing it until the close.

For flaky girls, I just next. With intense game, she's attracted or not, there is no middle ground. In any case, do you want a girl like that? I think reengaging has never worked for me, even if my intense game was soft

Honestly? Best persona I've seen for these types of personalities is something a bit edgy or dangerous. Hobbies like Harley Riding, being in a garage "rock band", and the like work well because there's an expectation of volatility, fun, and rough sex.

@OP.
Thanks for the post, really similar to my current game.

I'm still a beginner when it comes to game as a whole but all of the attributes you've listed are what I seem to have. I have always seen that people either love or hate me, no middle ground. I've been running intense game my entire "game career" it seems. Are there any tips anyone can give in regards to using this method for daygame? Due to my age(18) and my current location(small town, USA), nightgame is non-existent.

OP you seem to be a lot like me. I find not talking too much helps. Like you said. And the bit about kinoing fast and often and aggressive is spot on. Let normal guys worry about shit like that just get your dirty little paws on her ASAP. I've had more than one girl comment positively on the fact that I touched her early on, even if it's just an arm around the shoulder or even borderline beta shit like holding hands. It's not beta if you're not a beta.

Quote: (10-22-2017 03:03 PM)Chicopicante Wrote:  

OP you seem to be a lot like me. I find not talking too much helps. Like you said. And the bit about kinoing fast and often and aggressive is spot on. Let normal guys worry about shit like that just get your dirty little paws on her ASAP. I've had more than one girl comment positively on the fact that I touched her early on, even if it's just an arm around the shoulder or even borderline beta shit like holding hands. It's not beta if you're not a beta.

Not talking too much is a huge behavioral tell between real and fake badasses. I've seen plenty of both in both the Army and biker worlds, and the real badasses often stand out because if they're talking it's something very deliberate and important.

People constantly running their mouths is a sign of an insecure fuck. Old saying goes if you gotta say you are, then you aren't.

Yep easy c, I agree. I'm pretty quiet and soft spoken by nature so often girls will ask me things like "what are you thinking about?" Which is good. And spot on OP, people either love me or hate me, no in between. Oh well. I'm a pretty weird dude, or so I've been told.

Great thread, OP.
I just realized that I am a very "intense" person, I fit that checklist down to a tee. I just never really stopped to think about it.
I used to just think everyone else was a huge pussy, but I suppose that's just another way of looking at it

Glad to know there are some intense guys here! Sometimes it feels like everyone else is always measured and it gets boring.

Quote: (10-22-2017 08:14 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Honestly? Best persona I've seen for these types of personalities is something a bit edgy or dangerous. Hobbies like Harley Riding, being in a garage "rock band", and the like work well because there's an expectation of volatility, fun, and rough sex.

Great point! As for myself, we can start by the fact that I always have a knife on me, just in case. I'm not bragging about it, but the girl will see it after at least we have sex once. She's slightly uncomfortable at first, but after a while it turns her on a little bit. She probably feels the strong masculine energy and you're not the "If I'm attacked, I will crawl and beg for my mama" kind of guy.

Quote: (10-22-2017 03:03 PM)Chicopicante Wrote:  

OP you seem to be a lot like me. I find not talking too much helps. [...]

Very true. It's something I have to work on, it adds to our mysterious side. Besides, that way the girl is talking, she makes the efforts and I think everyone at the core is egoist and want to speak about itself first.

I really like this thread. This is the kind of stuff that a guy comes up with when he is out in the real world talking to real women. You don't come up with this stuff when you are wasting time theorizing about shit on the Internet. It is also a good example of how game can be very different for guys with different personality types.

Intense guys may not be the best fit for online game. I think online game is probably beter for someone who is calm and systematic. Many girls will waste your time without ever having any real interest and that will piss off the intense guy too much.

Quote: (10-20-2017 09:20 AM)James Bond Next level Wrote:  

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Intense game is great, but if you want her too much (you really want her to be your FWB because your harem collapsed or simply she is a quality girl with serious potential), I have a tendency to keep putting energy and attraction material to turn her on. The result is of course that i lose her. Simply said I do give too much fuck. It's easy to be detached when it's just an easy girl, but if I put a hot traditional & feminine girl in front of you, I'm sure I'm not the only one whose a bit too much interested.

I think intense guys can sometimes overdo things will texting or calling a girl too much. They don't necessarily do this because they are too eager but because they are impatient. I had this issue with Latin girls because they communicate indirectly and act flaky. My solution for this was simply putting more girls in my pipeline. If I'm talking to a lot of girls then it will be easy to temporarily forget about one that is acting flaky.

Sometimes being disagreeable with other people or the situation/environment that you are in can work for intense guys. You never want to be too agreeable with a women and they tend to respond well to disagreeable behavior when it is within reason. I've had several situations when I've been annoyed by something and the girl immediately started to do whatever she could to make me happy including "let's just get out of here and go back to my place".

Remember that girls want to experience a wide range of emotions. Intense guys should be good at making that happen. There is a good post about this at swoop - http://swooptheworld.com/how-to-make-her...r-coaster/

Not sure I qualify as intense, but I identify with some of the traits the OP has listed down. Especially the "love ir or hate it". In addition, some girls have told me I'm intense because I sometimes have strong mood swings; I act very passionate when I go on a rant; and I often surprise them with a kiss or an ass grab when they're not expecting it. But when I'm not horny or something's not pissing me off, I'm actually pretty collected.

One thing I do which works more often than not is sudden and unexpected escalation. I don't know whether this is "intense game" or "I'm bad at kino game". Would love to hear your thoughts:

I take a girl out for drinks in some random pub. We chat for an hour or so, I crack some bad jokes, and we both get a little tipsy. However, I'm not touching her. No kino whatsoever. Suddenly I stop talking and just look at her. While she's making a "?" expression, I go for a kiss. 7 times out of 10, they reciprocate. If they reciprocate, I get up, grab my chair and sit beside her. Then I make out with her, escalating intensity until she's ready to go to my apartment, which is conveniently located a couple of blocks away. When it works, they tell me "I did not expect that! You were so bold. You scared me". When it doesn't work, I resume conversation and pretend it never happened. If later I feel she's getting in the mood, I try again. This technique has failed me a few times but usually it works.

Quote: (05-15-2017 11:47 PM)Oilrig Wrote:  

I like to run passionate intense Latino game. I'll tell girls all kinds of crazy shit on the first date: I'll tell them I'm going to get them pregnant, I'll be their sugar daddies, I'm going to wife them up, cum in their pussy raw etc. Girls LOVE this, very few guys talk to them like this. Girls love the passion and he intensity.

I love this. I've got to try it.

Quote: (11-08-2017 02:00 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

I really like this thread. This is the kind of stuff that a guy comes up with when he is out in the real world talking to real women. You don't come up with this stuff when you are wasting time theorizing about shit on the Internet. It is also a good example of how game can be very different for guys with different personality types.

Intense guys may not be the best fit for online game. I think online game is probably beter for someone who is calm and systematic. Many girls will waste your time without ever having any real interest and that will piss off the intense guy too much.

As guys, we want to find quickly something that works and forget about it. But the more I mature, the more I realize that only my tailored way is good enough. Doesn't mean others can't inspire us though...
I concur : online game is mediocre for me. In any case, I prefer real world anyway

Quote: (11-08-2017 02:00 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

I think intense guys can sometimes overdo things will texting or calling a girl too much. They don't necessarily do this because they are too eager but because they are impatient. I had this issue with Latin girls because they communicate indirectly and act flaky. My solution for this was simply putting more girls in my pipeline. If I'm talking to a lot of girls then it will be easy to temporarily forget about one that is acting flaky.

It's a good short term solution yes, but when you start to chase real quality girls (the ones you have chemistry with), it's not an option cause we have chemistry with few people. So I force myself to answer after a while with short texts.

Quote: (11-08-2017 02:24 PM)lazy Wrote:  

One thing I do which works more often than not is sudden and unexpected escalation. I don't know whether this is "intense game" or "I'm bad at kino game". Would love to hear your thoughts:

I take a girl out for drinks in some random pub. We chat for an hour or so, I crack some bad jokes, and we both get a little tipsy. However, I'm not touching her. No kino whatsoever. Suddenly I stop talking and just look at her. While she's making a "?" expression, I go for a kiss. 7 times out of 10, they reciprocate. If they reciprocate, I get up, grab my chair and sit beside her. Then I make out with her, escalating intensity until she's ready to go to my apartment, which is conveniently located a couple of blocks away. When it works, they tell me "I did not expect that! You were so bold. You scared me". When it doesn't work, I resume conversation and pretend it never happened. If later I feel she's getting in the mood, I try again. This technique has failed me a few times but usually it works.

Personally my general policy now, unless I'm picking up girls at club/bar for a ONS, is "no kiss until we're at my place". I found kissing will show your hand too soon and will trigger her anti-slut defence so it will be harder to bring her back & if you have a no about that, you decrease your chance of having a second date. However kino are "innocent" yet still turns her on.
As for your technique, from what you tell it works decently. But if you want an opinion, we need more detail : what kind of girls do you chase (sluts? shy girls?), how good looking you are, how tight is your game in the initial encounter.

Quote: (11-08-2017 02:00 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

Remember that girls want to experience a wide range of emotions. Intense guys should be good at making that happen. There is a good post about this at swoop - http://swooptheworld.com/how-to-make-her...r-coaster/

Good post, it reminds me of Ross Jeffries. People may think it's out of style, but his style is more powerful than all of Roosh combined IMO. The only problem is that it's a very unique style and very unnatural (for me at least). Will try to incorporate more elements in my style

Quote: (11-08-2017 03:26 PM)James Bond Next level Wrote:  

Personally my general policy now, unless I'm picking up girls at club/bar for a ONS, is "no kiss until we're at my place". I found kissing will show your hand too soon and will trigger her anti-slut defence so it will be harder to bring her back & if you have a no about that, you decrease your chance of having a second date. However kino are "innocent" yet still turns her on.
As for your technique, from what you tell it works decently. But if you want an opinion, we need more detail : what kind of girls do you chase (sluts? shy girls?), how good looking you are, how tight is your game in the initial encounter.

I don't chase a particular type of girl. I use this technique in pretty much all of them. When the girl is shy, they might not want to go back to my place in the first date, but they usually end up doing it in the second date anyway. I've only read about "no kiss until ready for the kill" recently, in this forum. I was completely unaware of this advice before.

I understand why it'd increase the chances of sex in the first date, but I also find it kind of risky. If you don't make a move, the girl might think you're a wuss. If you do make a move but she gets uneasy about going back to your place, things will likely go much more smoothly on the second date. You'd have to be a terrible kisser for her buyer's remorse to be so bad that she will completely quit on you before a second date.

I guess if you're really good at kino and are able to turn her on enough without kissing her, it will be the same as making a move, so it won't be as risky... I'm definitely not that good at it. But I have to try it out. Hopefully I'll do so in the next month.

I'm not very good looking. My style is vaguely "hipster lumberjack" (trying to make it more mature as I age). I try to make them laugh a little and I don't look very dangerous, so girls are usually OK with going back to my place. I give them plenty of excuses. Just killing their curiosity about my mancave, is all. Nothing is going to happen. 30 mins later they're sucking my dick.

Quote: (11-08-2017 04:32 PM)lazy Wrote:  

I don't chase a particular type of girl. I use this technique in pretty much all of them. When the girl is shy, they might not want to go back to my place in the first date, but they usually end up doing it in the second date anyway. I've only read about "no kiss until ready for the kill" recently, in this forum. I was completely unaware of this advice before.

Oh, just one thing I should add. I'm not very experienced. Notch count is around 17. I'm extrapolating from my limited experience. I might simply have been lucky until now.

Quote: (11-08-2017 04:32 PM)lazy Wrote:  

I understand why it'd increase the chances of sex in the first date, but I also find it kind of risky. If you don't make a move, the girl might think you're a wuss. If you do make a move but she gets uneasy about going back to your place, things will likely go much more smoothly on the second date. You'd have to be a terrible kisser for her buyer's remorse to be so bad that she will completely quit on you before a second date.

Just with that, I can tell that you do not belong to the intense type. As I said in the beginning, each man has its style. I think you should look for more "under the radar" kind of technique.
Even without kiss for 2 full date, my kinos, verbal game and eye contact charge so much the sexual tension that she can't think I'm a wuss. There are aspects I need to work on, but not this