Quote: (12-13-2011 10:44 PM)CharleyHorse Wrote:  

So I've been reading the forums for the last several months about College Game and was very disappointed when I kept reading "you don't need game in college". I was a Beta throughout all of high school (5'11, 250 lbs., zero ability to socialize with ANYONE) and for the three months prior to my first college semester, I studied game with Bang and Roosh's blog. All I wanted to do was use this new found power to fuck lots of girls since my looks are only average (now 180 lbs.) and my style/athletic build are still developing.

Well, after another four months of studying and approaching I have a theory: No venue makes better use of game than a college campus, even for the youngest men.

Here is what I noticed (or perceived):

- Average college girls (5-7) respond to game exactly as described in this forum and in Bang.
- Above average college girls (8+) respond with more enthusiasm and appear more nervous when approached.
- Under average college girls (4 and below) are almost non-existent because this is college.

I looked at this and at first I thought "I must be very good-looking since only the most attractive girls are giving me deep stares and showing nervous body language, like looking down upon eye contact" when I approach with alpha body language. However, the average girls seemed more comfortable when I spit game at them as if they were used to it.

So what explains this difference? Well I only saw this in my Day Game Approaches as the most attractive girls have the least exposure to day game and are approached the least, since the men in their life are young and have little experience. College girls react like women of older age groups in night game approaches since alcohol fuels a lot of sloppy approaches.

In fact, I know three guys (one freshman and two sophomores) with notch counts of 11, 22 and 15 that have the most alpha personalities I've seen here. The one with the highest count is a sophomore and got his from social proof. The other two have higher on-campus counts and are playful. They approach during the day unlike the first, who has never made a cold approach before in his life.

I know this is an insanely long post for someone with only seven months of experience, but I wanted to post the theory and see what other people's opinions were. I haven't seen in-depth posts on college game and want to change that.

Also, for the people who have been in fraternities: Is it worth the pussy to join a frat (I'm on a campus of 11,000 and this is a college town)?

First post.

I dont know if its different because i attend a pubic University in europe. But i see a lot of Girls who are 4 and below or average. Maybe a private University is different....most look like feminists, too..

Am in a dilemma about a recent circle now at uni. But first, a note that might be helpful to those embarking on social circle game like myself. I think that mixed social circles with girls provide the best opportunities to meet girls because they bring along other girls to nights out so establish high value with these girls first as they can be a back for a night when you and her have no other options. So, for first year guys joining, in such a situation you will be meeting a lot of 2nd or 3rd year girls who are more comfortable making the moves. Infact the guy has to do little more than playing drinking games with them, then go out and dance with her.

Anyway, now to the situation I am in. People who are familiar with social circle game will know that in every such group, there will be 1 or 2 girls who always know what is happening in terms of activities and other things like girls and hookups. I dont know why but I feel that those 2 girls in this group are not into even talking much with me. They dont confide things that they do with the other guys. I do vibe with some of the guys in the group but not all. I find I dont know activities that the others are doing although I have tried including myself into them. The last time I went out, some guy who had two chicks with him let some other guy in the group who was drunk off his face (we were actually thinking of not bringing him out at all) handle one of them and I know all the other guys were set for the night with other girls.

How do you think I should proceed? I am thinking that if there is another get together planned like a night out and I am not really invited I should just remove myself from the group. I feel that putting myself there is only going to lower my value when the other guys are not reciprocating let alone the girls.

Some opinions will be helpful. Cheers.

Quote: (03-05-2017 11:18 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  

How do you think I should proceed? I am thinking that if there is another get together planned like a night out and I am not really invited I should just remove myself from the group. I feel that putting myself there is only going to lower my value when the other guys are not reciprocating let alone the girls.

Some opinions will be helpful. Cheers.

If they don't invite you and you don't vibe with those people then don't join them.
I'm about to start my second semester and the way I gamed through out the first semester was simple. I don't care about social proof. In fact, I try to stay low on the radar.
I study in a small town at a small college. I have 2 friends here who usually invite people to their little pre drink parties. So far I've met many people but I don't feel like befriending anybody here.
Also when we go out then I always leave the group and game by myself. I always approach solo. I don't want a blue pilled wing or any of those college shits. (As long as you aren't a close friend or a member of this forum then I won't approach or game with you)

So far I've banged one girl. Got a blowie from another. Many make outs and some numbers. I wish we had more parties here though. It is very boring and slow here.

You shouldn't be too concerned about social proof, if you are a solid guy then people will see this. Just get one or to friends who you feel like there is at least a little vibe between you and go with them to all the parties.

Join a fraternity if the Greek culture is big. Make sure your doing it not just for the pussy because hazing will make you question your decision if it's solely about the social aspect. Be aware if your not committed to it, you'll be weeded out quickly.

If your going to go Greek make sure it's middle tier at the minimum, as bottom tier makes your chances of shacking much worse. Conversely if your top tier, could bang a 7 who acts like a 5/6 since her "social value" is lower.

If unsure about ranking ask around, it's quite common knowledge for those who party. Tiers come and go based off probation, pledge class, housing issues etc

Looking back it's pretty stupid process and may have changed since I went to school due to tinder and the smartphone era, but that's how it went down.

I'm on a biggest campus in Scotland but find it tough. If I frequent uni cafés, most these people return on a daily/weekly basis, and I could do one approach but then, it becomes quite visible and the words would spread that "this is the guy who hits on girls". The only way to work stationary spots is to wait for the prey, but very rarely a hottie would sit next to me to start a conversation. Mostly 5s or 6s. Or then, often in groups. And this is what I see around lunch time. Rarely a single girl, often in twos or more, mixed groups, or running to be on time for their classes.

In late afternoon, when classes are over, seems easier but it is still tough - I usually enter the library and watch for thirty minutes all the girls leaving the library and if I see a hot one, I follow outside and approach when it becomes more convenient - yet, too often, they rush to meet their friend(s) to get food, chat, coffee, or to classes. When I wait inside, usually, 100-200 will walk past me (I'm positioned in such a way they can't see me) before I see a hot girl. On last two occasions, both hotties were in a group of two or more (sigh). In the library itself, it wouldn't really work. In the big foyer area there are wards and security and I risk being charged with harassment (very unlikely but I don't want to face problems of that nature even if probability is 0.1%). On upper floors it's quiet and talking makes at least a few heads in the vicinity to pay attention. I can only see it work if I slalom between shelves hoping a hottie will be there looking for books but it's time consuming. It's ironic that the place with the highest saturation of young girls per square meter seems the toughest. I frequent grocers, cafés adjacent to the campus but waiting passively yields small results.

For example, right now I'm sitting at a campus café of social sciences, and plenty of chicks. However, the sexy Lebanese one three tables away is a girl I approached weeks ago and she texted me back after I got her number she had a fiancee. Either way, she sits with another girl. At another table, there are two random girls sitting next to each other, one is cute with headphones on. I can't just walk up, towering over a girl, say 'excuse me, I just saw you from across and was wondering where you're from?" if there are a few people within earshot. This will only work if the venue is near empty.

Which brings me to the fact that everyone says campus is the easiest place to game chicks, whereas I don't find it so logistics wise - true, more girls per square meter than wherever else, but to get a shot at a hot girl, by herself, not rushing for her seminar presentation, somewhat semi-isolated, amenable to being picked up by a stranger is still something requiring significant work.

Joining a society doesn't really solve the issue from my experience. Out of X girls x/2 will not be attractive in the slightest, x/4 not into me, x/4 have boyfriends, then there will be at most a few for whom will, in the society, most guys will compete (not to mention all the guys in their classes, part-time work, tinder, instagram. etc).

Now, I'm not whining and throwing hands up but my point is that the campus to meet chicks isn't such a rosy heaven. At least, not in Scotland.

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Anyway, now to the situation I am in. People who are familiar with social circle game will know that in every such group, there will be 1 or 2 girls who always know what is happening in terms of activities and other things like girls and hookups. I dont know why but I feel that those 2 girls in this group are not into even talking much with me. They dont confide things that they do with the other guys. I do vibe with some of the guys in the group but not all. I find I dont know activities that the others are doing although I have tried including myself into them.

Surroung yourself with attractive girls or show people that you have access to them and the same people who kind of ignore you will come to you on their knees
Guarantee.

They do not look out for you now cause they dont see your value. It is superficial but oh well.

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I'm on a biggest campus in Scotland but find it tough. If I frequent uni cafés, most these people return on a daily/weekly basis, and I could do one approach but then, it becomes quite visible and the words would spread that "this is the guy who hits on girls". The only way to work stationary spots is to wait for the prey, but very rarely a hottie would sit next to me to start a conversation. Mostly 5s or 6s. Or then, often in groups. And this is what I see around lunch time. Rarely a single girl, often in twos or more, mixed groups, or running to be on time for their classes.

You feel uncomfortable for a reason. That reason is.... You do not hit on girls EVER if you game in social circles and groups of people you see on the regular.

You meet them socially. Get to know each other. Hang out. Game from within once you are in as an insider.

The easiest way to get girls is to know a lot of people, even people who may seem like they aren't valuable. Having access to different social circles is your best path to getting laid. Being casual friends with fat chicks you wouldn't normally talk to builds bridges to any hot friends they may have. Plenty of weird or ugly people will have hot girls they know, it's a mistake to discard them. The more people you know, you've taken the work out of cold approaching and given yourself an in.

When a girl sees you know the same person, their bitch shield and general wariness about you drops like 90%. They behave completely different compared to a cold approach.

College is like a mini-Hollywood. Your status and connections, whether you're on the baseball team or a frat president or whatever determines your reach.

If you're a lone wolf like I was, you just have to leverage a great social and seduction game, since girls can't identify a clear status about you (I.E. football player, xx frat member, etc.).

I've seen many a frat dude struggle in the real world once college ends. They don't realize much of the attention they got from girls was based around their social status at that specific place in time, which changes. What they thought was 'game' was mostly a favorable climate where sorority girls saw them as valuable.

Quote: (03-06-2017 02:03 PM)XXL Wrote:  

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I'm on a biggest campus in Scotland but find it tough. If I frequent uni cafés, most these people return on a daily/weekly basis, and I could do one approach but then, it becomes quite visible and the words would spread that "this is the guy who hits on girls". The only way to work stationary spots is to wait for the prey, but very rarely a hottie would sit next to me to start a conversation. Mostly 5s or 6s. Or then, often in groups. And this is what I see around lunch time. Rarely a single girl, often in twos or more, mixed groups, or running to be on time for their classes.

You feel uncomfortable for a reason. That reason is.... You do not hit on girls EVER if you game in social circles and groups of people you see on the regular.

You meet them socially. Get to know each other. Hang out. Game from within once you are in as an insider.

What usually happens I see hotties stick to the hot guys at social events. Too bad I'm not one of them.

However, what frustrates me is that I have the ability to approach, in principle, any girl on campus or library, yet the potential consequences seem severe - from getting a label to having to deal with a temporary to permanent ban from the library, or even dealing with some disciplinary action and police UNLESS I'll do very indirect, 'incidental' approaches (still, in college girls' eyes it will be brave) and ask them out for a coffee, lol.

Quote: (03-06-2017 04:06 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

However, what frustrates me is that I have the ability to approach, in principle, any girl on campus or library, yet the potential consequences seem severe - from getting a label to having to deal with a temporary to permanent ban from the library, or even dealing with some disciplinary action and police UNLESS I'll do very indirect, 'incidental' approaches (still, in college girls' eyes it will be brave) and ask them out for a coffee, lol.

This is why I mainly focus on night game. The college parties create the best opportunity for game.
I tried campus/class game but some girls from my class who know me, noticed what I was all about. They made comments like "YoungArt is flirting with too many girls..." to my friends.

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However, what frustrates me is that I have the ability to approach, in principle, any girl on campus or library, yet the potential consequences seem severe - from getting a label to having to deal with a temporary to permanent ban from the library, or even dealing with some disciplinary action and police UNLESS I'll do very indirect, 'incidental' approaches (still, in college girls' eyes it will be brave) and ask them out for a coffee, lol.

If that is the case then the way you approach must be very straightforward and probably out of place. Like you appear out of nowhere and force her to decide whether she wants you or not.

Drop that shit asap.

Flying under the radar will bring more consistent results. It does not mean being asexual, playing her friend or ignoring her. It means engaging her and drawing attention yet not letting her know you want her or even like her. Mixed signals work way better that ovewhelming "i am the man" direct way.

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I'm on a biggest campus in Scotland but find it tough. If I frequent uni cafés, most these people return on a daily/weekly basis, and I could do one approach but then, it becomes quite visible and the words would spread that "this is the guy who hits on girls". The only way to work stationary spots is to wait for the prey, but very rarely a hottie would sit next to me to start a conversation. Mostly 5s or 6s. Or then, often in groups. And this is what I see around lunch time. Rarely a single girl, often in twos or more, mixed groups, or running to be on time for their classes.

You feel uncomfortable for a reason. That reason is.... You do not hit on girls EVER if you game in social circles and groups of people you see on the regular.

You meet them socially. Get to know each other. Hang out. Game from within once you are in as an insider.

What usually happens I see hotties stick to the hot guys at social events. Too bad I'm not one of them.

However, what frustrates me is that I have the ability to approach, in principle, any girl on campus or library, yet the potential consequences seem severe - from getting a label to having to deal with a temporary to permanent ban from the library, or even dealing with some disciplinary action and police UNLESS I'll do very indirect, 'incidental' approaches (still, in college girls' eyes it will be brave) and ask them out for a coffee, lol.

The risk of getting into trouble doing game seems similar in Scotland as in Australia. Something to take note.

Like the others have said running cold approaches is not a good idea on campus. Girls only want to deal with guys they know. The key is getting yourself in a solid social circle which is into partying. In such fun situations, girls dont really look for game from you. They see their friends getting laid and they want to as well. The biggest challenge is vibing with these guys well in the first place to the extent of knowing everything that is going on with the girls and guys there and getting their trust. In short college is all about learning to be a good friend rather than a suave guy. At some point, these friends will throw girls your way if you are cool.

Quote: (03-06-2017 02:06 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

The easiest way to get girls is to know a lot of people, even people who may seem like they aren't valuable. Having access to different social circles is your best path to getting laid. Being casual friends with fat chicks you wouldn't normally talk to builds bridges to any hot friends they may have. Plenty of weird or ugly people will have hot girls they know, it's a mistake to discard them. The more people you know, you've taken the work out of cold approaching and given yourself an in.

When a girl sees you know the same person, their bitch shield and general wariness about you drops like 90%. They behave completely different compared to a cold approach.

College is like a mini-Hollywood. Your status and connections, whether you're on the baseball team or a frat president or whatever determines your reach.

If you're a lone wolf like I was, you just have to leverage a great social and seduction game, since girls can't identify a clear status about you (I.E. football player, xx frat member, etc.).

I've seen many a frat dude struggle in the real world once college ends. They don't realize much of the attention they got from girls was based around their social status at that specific place in time, which changes. What they thought was 'game' was mostly a favorable climate where sorority girls saw them as valuable.

The thing is there are not too many opportunities for uni students to mingle where I am. People just go home after class, a huge commuter culture is present in Australia. Even in the rare on campus parties, people come with their groups and if you are there alone, your value drops. And girls in that group already have options in mind for that night.

While I agree you got to know a lot of people, not all of those people are going to invite you to a house party or a good night out where all the action happens. I am inclined to think that you got to have at least one tight social group to successfully implement social circle game.

Quote: (03-06-2017 01:57 PM)XXL Wrote:  

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Anyway, now to the situation I am in. People who are familiar with social circle game will know that in every such group, there will be 1 or 2 girls who always know what is happening in terms of activities and other things like girls and hookups. I dont know why but I feel that those 2 girls in this group are not into even talking much with me. They dont confide things that they do with the other guys. I do vibe with some of the guys in the group but not all. I find I dont know activities that the others are doing although I have tried including myself into them.

Surroung yourself with attractive girls or show people that you have access to them and the same people who kind of ignore you will come to you on their knees
Guarantee.

They do not look out for you now cause they dont see your value. It is superficial but oh well.

Getting access is the biggest problem. I kind of missed the boat in my first year and the result is getting left behind in the successive years because people are already firmly in their cliques by the second year.

Sometimes you feel that you are with people who you see as friends but then you realise that they dont really feel that way when you take a step back to see if they think you are integral to the identity of their group.

It makes you wonder if your problems with having girls in your life is really due to having problems making friends in the first place.

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Like the others have said running cold approaches is not a good idea on campus. Girls only want to deal with guys they know. The key is getting yourself in a solid social circle which is into partying. In such fun situations, girls dont really look for game from you. They see their friends getting laid and they want to as well.

True. This is all about meeting each other and having fun later. That is when you game for real. But the way you meet them is through friends or through cold approach. That is perfectly fine cause all it means is meeting a person you do not know.

Cold approach is wide term. For some reason guys understand it as squaring up with a girl to hit on her and kidnap asap.

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Like the others have said running cold approaches is not a good idea on campus. Girls only want to deal with guys they know. The key is getting yourself in a solid social circle which is into partying. In such fun situations, girls dont really look for game from you. They see their friends getting laid and they want to as well.

True. This is all about meeting each other and having fun later. That is when you game for real. But the way you meet them is through friends or through cold approach. That is perfectly fine cause all it means is meeting a person you do not know.

Cold approach is wide term. For some reason guys understand it as squaring up with a girl to hit on her and kidnap asap.

The truth is I am really not seeing much game from the guys. The typical social 'game' is people pre drinking in their dorms and then going out. Normally, girls I believe have had their private girl talk about who they are going to bang that night during the pre drinking stage so they zone in to the respective guys at the venue. All the guy has to do is get the first round of drinks and get them more drunk and in some cases the girls themselves offer to buy drinks for the guy and his friends. She will by then have already started the conversation going with him. What he has to do is to tease her a little bit then bring her to the dance floor and start the physical escalation. If the guy gets the bang, chances are, the other girls in the social circle now wants him as well even though the girls might be best friends and he also gets to bang her again on other nights. I can clearly see the 20:80 rule operating very well here.

Needless to say in a bar frequented by uni students, everybody has their own group and cold approaching is not going to work unless you have a dedicated wingman, which is difficult when guys at uni just want to get drunk if they dont see any girl taking the initiative.

So, most of the time if none of the girls are into you at the start of the night, chances are you are going back by yourself. I have tried spitting jokes or convo threads with girls in my social group at the venue itself but it looks like they have made up their minds and sometimes even just dancing together at the dance floor just makes them want to leave which could decrease the guy's value because word is going to spread very fast in social circles.

Any suggestions from guys who have success in uni social circle game is welcome. In my situation, I feel I am pretty much at the bottom of the social circle hierarchy where the girls are concerned.

Thanks.

Quote: (05-14-2013 07:29 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (12-13-2011 10:44 PM)CharleyHorse Wrote:  

- Under average college girls (4 and below) are almost non-existent because this is college.

This is hyping the American College experience beyond belief.

I went to a College in America that is one of the best in the nation for girls, and there were plenty of ugly girls in "College".

A few years ago, I went back to my school and it was worse then when I went.

"College in America" is one of the most heavily hyped experiences on this forum.

If you have your sh*t together, life gets way better after college (and this is coming from a guy that killed it in college).

The best quality tale I have ever pound is right now. 7 years after graduating.

For me college was great but logistics fucked me over so many times. Right now, just for having solid logistics I get laid more than in college.

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The truth is I am really not seeing much game from the guys. The typical social 'game' is people pre drinking in their dorms and then going out. Normally, girls I believe have had their private girl talk about who they are going to bang that night during the pre drinking stage so they zone in to the respective guys at the venue. All the guy has to do is get the first round of drinks and get them more drunk and in some cases the girls themselves offer to buy drinks for the guy and his friends. She will by then have already started the conversation going with him. What he has to do is to tease her a little bit then bring her to the dance floor and start the physical escalation. If the guy gets the bang, chances are, the other girls in the social circle now wants him as well even though the girls might be best friends and he also gets to bang her again on other nights. I can clearly see the 20:80 rule operating very well here.

That is college game in a nutshell. Game there is about being IN and working your magic from within. You can definitively GAME there if you want something more than banging bunch of randoms who happen to choose you.

For example, this was my social circle's last Wednesday which is salsa/bachata class. As usual, after dancing, some people would go for a drink. Sometimes it's just a few, sometimes twenty strong.

Talked to a sexy Indian cutie right after classes and she was polite but felt no spark in there. Later on, in a bar, a top-dog guy who has A-game and confidence, height, looks to par it and pulls, told me he met with her the day before - actually, it was true as I recalled they walked past me in the afternoon. Not sure what he meant by this, but he ignored her big time and so was she him. Hadn't I known this or he told me, no-one would've guessed they've known each other. When he said that met with her, another guy was already in a deep conversation with her trying really hard as he ignored everyone else but he had no idea how to escalate her apart from moaning before we entered the bar she should join for at least half-pint. I re-joined them up for a bit but there was another girl I was interested in more.

There was a Russian chick, not that hot, cute but no looker who sat with four guys all over her like vultures. I didn't join, though a few times one-on-one I teased her a bit and I think there's some latent interest but she's got more cocks offered than a joint hot-dogs for sale at the top of the season. Men are really thirsty here...

For the first time a Spanish girl with gym body (as she stated hitting it daily) turned up in classes, and was brought by her male friend, as I found out. Either way, at a table we sat/stood, it was her and three other dudes, including me. An Italian guy in his thirites who hit on her superhard, he was just falling over himself to get into her panties. I befriended the male friend of the Spaniard. The Spaniard wanted to go for a smoke, so did I - the Italian guy, of course, couldn't left her for a second so came outside despite not being a smoker.

I sat on a bench, she sat next to me. Early twenties girl, she told me she broke up with her long-term boyfriend couple weeks ago. She talked some shite about travelling, learning languages, said she needed to get tan, shown me her hand, I took it in mine, she complied softly. Got asked about my age, replied she was too young for me. Never had time to build enough comfort as the Italian dude was hovering at all times. Back to the bar, I bounced among split groups to show I'm a social guy who can talk to everyone.

At some point there were four British chicks, really average, started conversation out of boredom whilst waiting for the server to get my drink but the British chicks where having none of it - a girls I wouldn't consider to approach daytime were too snobbish to have a polite, social chat.

Back to my small group of Italian guy, Spanish chick and her male friend. I guess male friend was just that although, who knows? He was a chilled dude to talk to anyway with some modicum of game, I think. Italian guy drunk too much and the first time I witnessed a proper social dancing monkey. Guy, instead of being chilled became a performer. Eye-coded twice with the Spaniard about the Italian guy, rolled my eyes, made her smile. Anyway, nothing would happened that night as the Spaniard was in gym clothes, accompanied by her male friend and Italian guy didn't matter anymore as he burnt himself.

Others left, including Indian chick long time gone by herself - anyway, she told me early on she'd have to get up very early for work but damn, this girl had a proper hot body, nice face, and fine hair. Left the bar with my wee group of Spaniard, her male friend and Italian guy. They were all walking in the opposite direction to mine, Spaniard came up gave me a hug but not the good one - that is, she only brought close arms and chest, and kept space away of her hips and legs. Social hug which isn't that promising. I'd be more than happy to bang this chick with sporty body and just after break up. She'll be back next week and so will the Italian guy who doesn't matter anymore but... there will be other guys hitting her hard.

So is social circle game easy? Depends. Here, it's always higher ratio of horny men to sexy girls. Day game seems in some ways easier, less time consuming and cheaper but a girl talked to on a street has many options nonetheless - a rich pool of social circle, classmates, bar guys, day game guys, and Tinder to boot.

It's an uphill battle but what can you do?

Quote: (03-09-2017 12:05 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

For example, this was my social circle's last Wednesday which is salsa/bachata class. As usual, after dancing, some people would go for a drink. Sometimes it's just a few, sometimes twenty strong.

Talked to a sexy Indian cutie right after classes and she was polite but felt no spark in there. Later on, in a bar, a top-dog guy who has A-game and confidence, height, looks to par it and pulls, told me he met with her the day before - actually, it was true as I recalled they walked past me in the afternoon. Not sure what he meant by this, but he ignored her big time and so was she him. Hadn't I known this or he told me, no-one would've guessed they've known each other. When he said that met with her, another guy was already in a deep conversation with her trying really hard as he ignored everyone else but he had no idea how to escalate her apart from moaning before we entered the bar she should join for at least half-pint. I re-joined them up for a bit but there was another girl I was interested in more.

There was a Russian chick, not that hot, cute but no looker who sat with four guys all over her like vultures. I didn't join, though a few times one-on-one I teased her a bit and I think there's some latent interest but she's got more cocks offered than a joint hot-dogs for sale at the top of the season. Men are really thirsty here...

For the first time a Spanish girl with gym body (as she stated hitting it daily) turned up in classes, and was brought by her male friend, as I found out. Either way, at a table we sat/stood, it was her and three other dudes, including me. An Italian guy in his thirites who hit on her superhard, he was just falling over himself to get into her panties. I befriended the male friend of the Spaniard. The Spaniard wanted to go for a smoke, so did I - the Italian guy, of course, couldn't left her for a second so came outside despite not being a smoker.

I sat on a bench, she sat next to me. Early twenties girl, she told me she broke up with her long-term boyfriend couple weeks ago. She talked some shite about travelling, learning languages, said she needed to get tan, shown me her hand, I took it in mine, she complied softly. Got asked about my age, replied she was too young for me. Never had time to build enough comfort as the Italian dude was hovering at all times. Back to the bar, I bounced among split groups to show I'm a social guy who can talk to everyone.

At some point there were four British chicks, really average, started conversation out of boredom whilst waiting for the server to get my drink but the British chicks where having none of it - a girls I wouldn't consider to approach daytime were too snobbish to have a polite, social chat.

Back to my small group of Italian guy, Spanish chick and her male friend. I guess male friend was just that although, who knows? He was a chilled dude to talk to anyway with some modicum of game, I think. Italian guy drunk too much and the first time I witnessed a proper social dancing monkey. Guy, instead of being chilled became a performer. Eye-coded twice with the Spaniard about the Italian guy, rolled my eyes, made her smile. Anyway, nothing would happened that night as the Spaniard was in gym clothes, accompanied by her male friend and Italian guy didn't matter anymore as he burnt himself.

Others left, including Indian chick long time gone by herself - anyway, she told me early on she'd have to get up very early for work but damn, this girl had a proper hot body, nice face, and fine hair. Left the bar with my wee group of Spaniard, her male friend and Italian guy. They were all walking in the opposite direction to mine, Spaniard came up gave me a hug but not the good one - that is, she only brought close arms and chest, and kept space away of her hips and legs. Social hug which isn't that promising. I'd be more than happy to bang this chick with sporty body and just after break up. She'll be back next week and so will the Italian guy who doesn't matter anymore but... there will be other guys hitting her hard.

So is social circle game easy? Depends. Here, it's always higher ratio of horny men to sexy girls. Day game seems in some ways easier, less time consuming and cheaper but a girl talked to on a street has many options nonetheless - a rich pool of social circle, classmates, bar guys, day game guys, and Tinder to boot.

It's an uphill battle but what can you do?

Its a challenge anywhere man. That is why the select few guys are getting all the girls most of the time. Most of the time, ratios wont be good in social groups unless your major is female dominated and you are super social. I think the best way is to organise a night out with your social group and suggest pre drinking and if there are too few girls they might invite some more of their girlfriends and the ratios might get better. The most important thing is to subtly convey interest and friendly vibes from the pre-drinking stage and staying close to her and getting good conversation going until you get to the venue. Having dating shows on TV and talking about it if you are not into drinking games seems to be very effective to get girls more open. Holding on to her is key unless she wants to break away from you.

The question about being too eager or not to be that keen is always a problem in such social situations at uni. On one hand, uni guys are mostly too afraid to take the first step unless they are drunk so it might be ok to show interest if one of the girls seem interested and looks like she wants to get laid. But then, you got to be careful not to be too thristy and thus make it obvious bec then she might be turned off. A really fine balance is needed and most of the time it does not have to be polished game, it is just banter with you taking the piss out of her and vice versa and then finally showing your intent when it matters..

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The truth is I am really not seeing much game from the guys. The typical social 'game' is people pre drinking in their dorms and then going out. Normally, girls I believe have had their private girl talk about who they are going to bang that night during the pre drinking stage so they zone in to the respective guys at the venue. All the guy has to do is get the first round of drinks and get them more drunk and in some cases the girls themselves offer to buy drinks for the guy and his friends. She will by then have already started the conversation going with him. What he has to do is to tease her a little bit then bring her to the dance floor and start the physical escalation. If the guy gets the bang, chances are, the other girls in the social circle now wants him as well even though the girls might be best friends and he also gets to bang her again on other nights. I can clearly see the 20:80 rule operating very well here.

That is college game in a nutshell. Game there is about being IN and working your magic from within. You can definitively GAME there if you want something more than banging bunch of randoms who happen to choose you.

The way that nightgame is evolving, I am seeing almost zero random approaches by guys in uni setting. Everybody hooking up usually knows the other person before hand at least through friends of friends earlier that night.

Looking back I think one thing that guys embarking on uni should do if they are fortunate to be game aware by then is getting into a good social circle and staying inside till you can branch out and this happens when you hook up with another girl in another circle who would still know people in your current circle. It is an investment because you got to invest time, money and effort to keep up the relationships and for people to trust you. Girls are acutely aware of your status in the group so you got to have value and a strong personality. Develop strong bonds with the guys, and the girls will automatically follow, you can very easily get access to girls out of your league in the right circumstances.

I see a lot of guys trying to get into a group and falling by the wayside because they, like posters before me have pointed out, did not bring the value to the group , especially to the other guys and so no one wants to talk to him, thus, he appears awkward at even the biggest, most glamorous parties with the most favourable ratios. College is the only place to compensate things like looks by improving your personality till you come out into the real world when you dont get that social circle cushion anymore.

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The way that nightgame is evolving, I am seeing almost zero random approaches by guys in uni setting. Everybody hooking up usually knows the other person before hand at least through friends of friends earlier that night.

True. They get to know each other on campus completely innocently during the day on campus at some spots and most commonly through friends of friends of friends at house parties where people bring new people.

It can be really tough to break into the group that already know each other and went out together aftet having pregame party in dorm.

The guys that have problems to break through either fail to meet new people in daytime or they try to invade other groups they do not know at all and expect they will welcome them with open hands. It does not happen that way in Uni.

Sometimes you get lucky when you happen to stumble upon some drunk chick who is there fancing with her girl friend with no friends to look after her. Beed there done that

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I'm on a biggest campus in Scotland but find it tough. If I frequent uni cafés, most these people return on a daily/weekly basis, and I could do one approach but then, it becomes quite visible and the words would spread that "this is the guy who hits on girls". The only way to work stationary spots is to wait for the prey, but very rarely a hottie would sit next to me to start a conversation. Mostly 5s or 6s. Or then, often in groups. And this is what I see around lunch time. Rarely a single girl, often in twos or more, mixed groups, or running to be on time for their classes.

You feel uncomfortable for a reason. That reason is.... You do not hit on girls EVER if you game in social circles and groups of people you see on the regular.

You meet them socially. Get to know each other. Hang out. Game from within once you are in as an insider.

What usually happens I see hotties stick to the hot guys at social events. Too bad I'm not one of them.

However, what frustrates me is that I have the ability to approach, in principle, any girl on campus or library, yet the potential consequences seem severe - from getting a label to having to deal with a temporary to permanent ban from the library, or even dealing with some disciplinary action and police UNLESS I'll do very indirect, 'incidental' approaches (still, in college girls' eyes it will be brave) and ask them out for a coffee, lol.

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Don't go in with the mindset that you are "approaching" girls. Strike up conversations with people in general, including and especially attractive girls, but just keep it casual. I am naturally very introverted, and was not very social as a teenager. I've made a concerted effort to shoot the shit with all sorts of random people I come across. Over time I became less and less awkward and developed into a decent conversationalist. When I go to talk to a cute girl now, it comes across as natural-- because it is.

You mention you're not a looker: unless you're seriously deformed, charisma/confidence trump looks most of the time.

Quote: (07-12-2013 01:52 AM)GLethal85 Wrote:  

I went from virgin to 8 notches in my four years in college.

I was in a fraternity (helpful) and also an RA (very helpful).

It wasn't until a year or so after graduation that i started reading the manosphere. Whole new world. I was pissed cuz I always thought that once you hit the 'real world' girls stop all the bullshit. Nope, theres more bull shit and if you're not high value then you're out.

Hey, just wondering what is the average notches that frat boys get in 4 years or 1 year? I know it would of course vary by a many factors, but do you have an estimate?

I don't agree with your theory. I think the prettier the women, the more they will get approached.
Prettier women will get more approached than average women, no matter age.

It's not because she is pretty that she has high confidence.