G, it is a per capita list. It most likely includes minors, retiree's and other non-economically active persons, which skews the results by dividing the earners wealth over a larger population.

250k is not wealthy for sure, it will give you a life above average standards and thats about it.

Whoever says money wouldnt make any difference to his gaming, then he probably never been in a position where people thought he had money.

If i was making 1 million dollars per year at my age, i would be fucking most of the women in this planet. Just like HH says- money buys life.

Y'all arguing statistics? Really?

Rather than speculate, you should be asking how do I get to where you are? What kind of skills, contacts, connects, education, did you learn back when you were my age that put you on the level you are today...

Since I'm at the bottom of the income totem pole and pretty much an idiot at biz, I'll defer to those more knowledgeable.

What I'm curious about is how HH's EE game differed from his Murkan game.

My impressions so far is I can almost just act naturally, like a polite, sexual, confident kind guy. Everyone gets "negged" on the streets here every day in the form of shattered sidewalks, glowering cops, limited economic opportunity.

So far just being nice and asking for phone numbers is working pretty well for chicks less than half my age (Early 20's).

I use "call/text" interchangeably and usually text.

My rough percentages are almost anyone will give me their number-- 1/3 don't call back, 1/3 call back and meet me, and 1/3 call and make an excuse, which is a lot more polite than Murkabitches. We'll see if it translates to a decent percentage of bangs.


--the only reason I'm an expat today is

1) I got a middling marketable health care education
2) got a job in a wealthy state before they stripped down the pensions for new employees (raised retirement to 60 from 55; they're planning on really gutting it soon, raising retirement age to 67 from the 50-55 it was when I retired.
I did what I was told, showed up, and banked vacation which I cashed out when retiring. To me, it was almost no use going on vacation blowing $400 a day in lost pay when I knew I had to come back!

I wanted to leave and make it stick, and I'm gone.

It was boring as hell. I became a fairly pathetic functioning drinker at night. Gained 20 lbs.

3) I feel pretty lucky-- I haven't worked for the POD in months. I can go back as a contractor any time I want for $70/hr.
I write music and make independent no-budget movies. You only need about 5000 in equipment nowadays to do that.

This morning I edited a trailer for a couple hours, took a 2-hour nap, now I'm going to the health club with nice machines and NON-AMERICAN workers. On a deeper level of self-development, everything's new-- the language, the people, a lot of the food-- it's like being four years old again and I find it really rejuevenating and chance to reinvent myself.


But listen to one thing if you hate bitchy, anxious women:

Escape America, as soon as you can make it stick. If you can get a 200-300k USD pile young, it's prob better than what I did.
My pensions' cash value is something like 200K. If you had that much in solid dividend paying stocks it would pay out about what I make my anticipated lifetime.

One thing the above people have right is that it takes a gargantuan amount of money to stand out as a source of luxury lifestyle for Murkabitches. And what have they done to deserve it!?

Quote: (01-19-2012 09:06 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Since I'm at the bottom of the income totem pole and pretty much an idiot at biz, I'll defer to those more knowledgeable--the only reason I'm an expat today is

1) I got a middling marketable health care education
2) got a job in a wealthy state before they stripped down the pensions for new employees (raised retirement to 60 from 55; they're planning on really gutting it soon, raising retirement age to 67 from the 50-55 it was when I retired.
I did what I was told, showed up, and banked vacation which I cashed out when retiring. To me, it was almost no use going on vacation blowing $400 a day in pay when I knew I had to come back!

I wanted to leave and make it stick, and I'm gone.

It was boring as hell. I became a fairly pathetic functioning drinker at night. Gained 20 lbs.

3) I feel pretty lucky-- I haven't worked for the POD in months. I can go back as a contractor any time I want for $70/hr.
I write music and make independent no-budget movies. You only need about 5000 in equipment nowadays to do that.

This morning I edited a trailer for a couple hours, took a 2-hour nap, now I'm going to the health club with nice machines and NON-AMERICAN workers. On a deeper level of self-development, everything's new-- the language, the people, a lot of the food-- it's like being four years old again and I find it really rejuevenating and chance to reinvent myself.

What I'm curious about is how HH EE game differed from his Murkan game.

But listen to one thing if you hate bitchy, anxious women:

Escape America, as soon as you can make it stick. If you can get a 200-300k USD pile young, it's prob better than what I did.
My pensions' cash value is something like 200K. If you had that much in solid dividend paying stocks it would pay out about what I make my anticipated lifetime.

Not the sexiest expat story but it's really valuable info and just one more confirmation that geo-freedom is important, from a guy who knows from experience.

where are you now if you don't mind my prying?

Quote: (01-18-2012 11:13 PM)Iceinthewater Wrote:  

Same with finance. Sure I took accounting in college. I have a few investment books I've tried to read...but it all sounds very boring and abstract. I know I'm not alone in this. There's a difference between reading a book and having an uncle or older brother or a friend's dad that is happy to explain things and answer questions.

Unfortunately there aren't very many "financial mentors" out there. My grandfather became very good at trading stocks in his later years. He died before I was old enough to have a real talk with him. My dad describes himself as "risk-adverse" and has never been very willing to share wisdom with me for some reason. Maybe he doesn't think he has any - he's very tight lipped.

I think at this point in my life (30) I need to start looking for a financial mentor, even if it's just a professor in an investing nightclass at the community college...

I've been thinking of starting a Q&A thread for folks on here about financial markets. It seems like a lot of folks here are interested investing and hopefully I can give back some by sharing my expertise.

Quote: (01-19-2012 01:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

By definition, no more than .0001% of us will ever be in the top .0001% income bracket. This isn't self-defeatist talk, this is called math.

Quote: (01-19-2012 03:20 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  

It is a list based on taxable, personable income.

Rich people don't file a lot on their personal tax return, their cash flow isn't attributed to them personally.

That is why companies and trusts were invented.

You guys are conflating income and net worth. Some of you also need to learn about the time-value of money and opportunity cost. Furthermore, capital gains is not considered in those income studies. Explanation follows

Net worth is the total value of your assets less your liabilities. So if you own a home, an investment portfolio, a bank account, an art collection and 6 racing horses worth 100 million dollars in aggregate your assets = $100mm. If you owe on a credit card, some loans and a margin account $ 37.5 million dollars, your liabilities = $37.5mm. So, your net worth is $100mm-$37.5mm=$62.5mm

Now, let's assume your income for the year is $150k. You might think, shit how does this guy afford all of this oppulence? The answer is 1 of 2 things. Capital Gains, i.e. money made on investments which is not included in your income and is taxed differently. The second way is leverage.

Leverage is where you incur debt to amplify your returns (which can be negative). Now, if I have an investment that I think is going to yield me an annual return of 15% and I can borrow money at 5%, don't you think it would be wise of me to borrow the fuck out of other people's money to make more of my own? The answer is unequivocaly YES. And here is the quantitative reasoning:

Assume the above case where I can invest at 15% and borrow at 5% and interest is calculated once at the end of the year.

I invest $100 at 15%
I can get 10:1 leverage, ie for every dollar I invest I can borrow 10.
So I borrow $1000 and invest it at 15% paying a 5% rate on this debt.
So, on the borrowed $1000 I yield 15%-5%=10% annually on this investment. This amount is equal to $100. (The detailed calculation is that I earned 15% on $1000, which = $150, and I had to pay 5% which is = $50).

Now, at the end of the year I decided to liquidate my investment and cash out.

What was my initial investment amount? It was $100. The $1000 was the lenders money.

How much did my investment return? It returned 15% of $100 + $100 on the lender's money... so 15+100 = $115.

What is my Return on Investment (ROI for short)? It is 115/100 = 115%.

I used somebody elses money to make a much larger return on my investment. That example hilights several important financial concepts, namely opportunity cost and the time value of money.

Sorry for the financial intervention, but if you want to talk about building your lifestyle and money and investments are going to be part of the discussion it would be prudent to have that shit right and understand what you're talking about.

EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the example investment was capital gains and not income...

Quote: (01-19-2012 09:20 AM)Iceinthewater Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2012 09:06 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Since I'm at the bottom of the income totem pole and pretty much an idiot at biz, I'll defer to those more knowledgeable

Not the sexiest expat story but it's really valuable info and just one more confirmation that geo-freedom is important, from a guy who knows from experience.

where are you now if you don't mind my prying?

I don't recommend or discuss [ SEARCH ENGINE ARE EVERYWHERE AND CONGRATULATIONS ALL YOUR IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE GRANTED FREE TO GOOGLE CORPORATION] where I'm at because it's already on the way down; young hipsters are appearing, more chicks getting facial piercings showing idealization [starting] for the be-cool cock-carousel lifestyle.

Really, the thing to do when you've got your money together is pick up on the current vibes and jump one step ahead of everyone else. As long as you're over 25, American Plastic Acceleration ™ won't change every woman in the world into a robotic, bitchy alpha worshipper while you still have a sex drive.

As an aside, I was in Denmark 25 years ago when the girls were cheerful and unspoiled. Then about 10 years ago when "drummers" were hanging around in the downtown, broken bottles in the streets from foreign lowlifes, grim looking cops-- now Roosh has described the place as ruined.

Globalization is over the decades changing everyplace into the equivalent of a tasteless, decaying Murkan city. It's just a question of time, because that's the way the people with money want it, and they get what they want; then retreat to--what was mentioned above? Newport Gated Beach Cove Enclave, haha.

Not to be pessimistic-- you just have to find one place you like; in the whole world, or two if you're restless.

It's discouraging to see guys think lifestyle and game are separate when they are complimentary.

The guys who swear by lifestyle... you can approach a woman and have a fun conversation, right? You know how attraction works, right? You know the logistics of how to seal the deal, right? You know how to turn on a woman, right? Where did that come from? Not working hard at your job and not working at the gym. It comes from boots-on-the-ground interactions with women.

Lifestyle is a 5 year plan (or more). It takes time to build your empire. Game starts seeing result in 5 weeks. Both are needed to see your potential, but the older guys criticizing game can do so because they've already, whether they want to admit it or not, been practicing game for over 10 years. They already have hundreds of interactions with women that they've taken for granted. To advise a 23 year old kid to forget about game and just make money is dangerous and disingenuous advice.

Start with game, build your skills, and then figure out a lifestyle where the game you've learned will make it easy and effortless.

Quote: (01-18-2012 08:23 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2012 07:55 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

That is perfect.

I keep telling guys, "Move away from game. Move towards building a lifestyle."

That post nails the distinction.

An abundance of women is an integral part of any straight man's lifestyle.


Hooligan Harry, G, and other great guys on this forum is what makes it the best in the world hands down. The amount of knowledge on this board is worth it's weight in gold. I save copies of dope posts and data sheets to preserve the boards wisdom in the worst case scenario that it should go down. This board is the Bible, The Torah, The Koran of being a man in the 21st century. It should be a crime to discover this shit and not use it properly.

The post quoted up top is the goal, it is the end game that all of us thirsty up and comers are aspiring to. Stay hungry, be persistent and fake it till we make it just till we reach that level. By then, the world shall be our playground.

"An abundance of women is an integral part of any straight man's lifestyle. "


At your stage of life maybe,or if you love being constantly single.

But ,at least for me being in my late 30's having ONE great girl:yes hot,yes great in the sack, BUT loyal,gentle,good maternal instincts is so much preferable than being a "playa" with skanks all over the place.

What most of those guys won't admit is they spend most of their time alone or looking.

At the age of 21 I'd have agreed with you,and sowing your oats is important so you're never looking back thinking what you missed out on ...but things change as you hopefully mature,at least for me. they did.

Quote: (01-19-2012 09:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

It's discouraging to see guys think lifestyle and game are separate when they are complimentary.

The guys who swear by lifestyle... you can approach a woman and have a fun conversation, right? You know how attraction works, right? You know the logistics of how to seal the deal, right? You know how to turn on a woman, right? Where did that come from? Not working hard at your job and not working at the gym. It comes from boots-on-the-ground interactions with women.

Lifestyle is a 5 year plan (or more). It takes time to build your empire. Game starts seeing result in 5 weeks. Both are needed to see your potential, but the older guys criticizing game can do so because they've already, whether they want to admit it or not, been practicing game for over 10 years. They already have hundreds of interactions with women that they've taken for granted. To advise a 23 year old kid to forget about game and just make money is dangerous and disingenuous advice.

Start with game, build your skills, and then figure out a lifestyle where the game you've learned will make it easy and effortless.

Yeah, I started this thread not to spark another Game VS Money Beef, or Lifestyle VS Money VS Game VS Wearing Eyeliner in the Club Beef.

It was ment to:

1. See Houlligan Harry's mindset

2. Spark peoples interest on obtaining that "mindset"

Quote: (01-19-2012 10:48 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

It was ment to:

1. See Houlligan Harry's mindset

2. Spark peoples interest on obtaining that "mindset"

I am totally interested in the same thing, he mentioned being a world traveler for 15 years, please Harry, enlighten us!

Quote: (01-19-2012 09:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

It's discouraging to see guys think lifestyle and game are separate when they are complimentary.

....

Lifestyle is a 5 year plan (or more). It takes time to build your empire. Game starts seeing result in 5 weeks. Both are needed to see your potential, but the older guys criticizing game can do so because they've already, whether they want to admit it or not, been practicing game for over 10 years. They already have hundreds of interactions with women that they've taken for granted. To advise a 23 year old kid to forget about game and just make money is dangerous and disingenuous advice.

Start with game, build your skills, and then figure out a lifestyle where the game you've learned will make it easy and effortless.

I will go to my death bed knowing that game is king. Lifestyle alone will get you nothing, except the occasional gold-digger. Just watch "Millionaire Matchmaker," and see how these guys with amazing lifestyles can't close the deal even when the pussy is served up on a platter for them.

Game alone, on the other hand, will get you laid. You could be a guy wearing a pair of cargo shorts and a tight shirt that accentuates your pot belly, who lives in his parents' basement, but if you have a valid state ID, can approach girls, spit lyrics, and angle logistics correctly, you will have a steady stream of girls you aren't paying for.

At the end of the day, lifestyle is good is you have the game to parlay it into something. Otherwise, you're just another one of these corporate exec clowns, who drives a Bentley, lives in a Penthouse, but is married to a cow and pays for escorts on the weekends.

Quote: (01-19-2012 09:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

It's discouraging to see guys think lifestyle and game are separate when they are complimentary.

The guys who swear by lifestyle... you can approach a woman and have a fun conversation, right? You know how attraction works, right? You know the logistics of how to seal the deal, right? You know how to turn on a woman, right? Where did that come from? Not working hard at your job and not working at the gym. It comes from boots-on-the-ground interactions with women.

Lifestyle is a 5 year plan (or more). It takes time to build your empire. Game starts seeing result in 5 weeks. Both are needed to see your potential, but the older guys criticizing game can do so because they've already, whether they want to admit it or not, been practicing game for over 10 years. They already have hundreds of interactions with women that they've taken for granted. To advise a 23 year old kid to forget about game and just make money is dangerous and disingenuous advice.

Start with game, build your skills, and then figure out a lifestyle where the game you've learned will make it easy and effortless.

Good advice, as well.

Game and inner alpha are important to develop. There are a lot of wealthy and successful guys that can't get laid despite the lifestyle they've attained. It's the combination of game and success that facilitates 'living the dream'.

Quote: (01-19-2012 12:03 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2012 09:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

It's discouraging to see guys think lifestyle and game are separate when they are complimentary.

The guys who swear by lifestyle... you can approach a woman and have a fun conversation, right? You know how attraction works, right? You know the logistics of how to seal the deal, right? You know how to turn on a woman, right? Where did that come from? Not working hard at your job and not working at the gym. It comes from boots-on-the-ground interactions with women.

Lifestyle is a 5 year plan (or more). It takes time to build your empire. Game starts seeing result in 5 weeks. Both are needed to see your potential, but the older guys criticizing game can do so because they've already, whether they want to admit it or not, been practicing game for over 10 years. They already have hundreds of interactions with women that they've taken for granted. To advise a 23 year old kid to forget about game and just make money is dangerous and disingenuous advice.

Start with game, build your skills, and then figure out a lifestyle where the game you've learned will make it easy and effortless.

Good advice, as well.

Game and inner alpha are important to develop. There are a lot of wealthy and successful guys that can't get laid despite the lifestyle they've attained. It's the combination of game and success that facilitates 'living the dream'.

Yeah, a dope Lifestyle and Game together are greater than the sum of its parts.

It is your classic 1 + 1 = 5, scenario.

That was really my purpose in posting this thread.

To get people to think about both.

roosh had a good post on what game boils down to: being interesting and being cool

http://www.rooshv.com/the-two-things-tha...es-down-to

thats a good definition i think. of course there's nuances and details like how to break down last minute resistance and stuff like that that are all a part of game as well.

but if those two things are what game is, i see game and lifestyle as almost the same thing. the beta corporate guys dont really have a good lifestyle. they may have a big house and some money,but is that really all that having a good lifestyle is about?

id say its more about interesting hobbies, experiences such as traveling, etc. if someone has a lifestyle with a lot of interesting hobbies and a lot of interesting experiences and is cool--dresses well, good body language-- thats essentially game right?

the one difference between liftstyle vs game that i can see if the approach. you can be interesting and cool but if you dont talk to woman, youre not gonna get laid.

One tip I learned from observing fat chicks is that they are overconfident, full of themselves, sassy, etc. But they embrace themselves and shoot way out of their league but don't care.

Now if a fat chick can fake or believe their overconfidence, why should it be hard for a guy to do the same?

So stop limiting yourself and keep improving. If fat chicks can do that then so can anyone.

Quote: (01-19-2012 09:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

It's discouraging to see guys think lifestyle and game are separate when they are complimentary.

The guys who swear by lifestyle... you can approach a woman and have a fun conversation, right? You know how attraction works, right? You know the logistics of how to seal the deal, right? You know how to turn on a woman, right? Where did that come from? Not working hard at your job and not working at the gym. It comes from boots-on-the-ground interactions with women.

Lifestyle is a 5 year plan (or more). It takes time to build your empire. Game starts seeing result in 5 weeks. Both are needed to see your potential, but the older guys criticizing game can do so because they've already, whether they want to admit it or not, been practicing game for over 10 years. They already have hundreds of interactions with women that they've taken for granted. To advise a 23 year old kid to forget about game and just make money is dangerous and disingenuous advice.

Start with game, build your skills, and then figure out a lifestyle where the game you've learned will make it easy and effortless.

You gotta know your weaknesses.

Some guys have a great looking lifestyle but they can't get laid. These guys should work on their Game. And, more specifically, they should work on the weak aspects of their Game which are causing them to lose bangs. This could be approach anxiety, being to eager, being a bad conversationalist, not being bold enough, not creating the right logistics, not escalating, etc. Work on the ones that you are weak in.

On the other hand, some guys have solid Game but they are broke and can't afford to really take advantage of their skills. Maybe they don't have a car or they live in a shitty apartment with multiple roommates. They can't afford to go out a buy a few drinks or buy nice clothes or travel. These guys should work on their lifestyle. They already have Game so any improvement in lifestyle will likely attract more womern and lead to more and higher quality bangs.

Every player plays the game his own way, the key is to maximize your own unique situation.

Learn your Game weaknesses and eliminate them.
Learn your lifestyle weaknesses and eliminate them.
Do this simultaneously.
Start now. It will take a few years.

I just realized what some of the disconnect is between younger players on here and older Playboys.

When I was coming up, we referred to everything as Game.

It was a holistic approach. A person with Game, got girls, made money, had dope moves, maybe could Surf, maybe could Box, maybe was a dope Painter/Artist guy that swooped girls. He was a "G". This could be done in many fields.

Hell, you could be a guy that worked at a liquor store, but if you hustled on the side, dressed smooth, had presence and got girls, you had "Game".

A guy who dressed smooth, got girls, traveled, enjoyed the finer things in Life and made money had "Game".

Then enter the Internet era.

Guys like Strauss and Mystery co-opted the word "game" (I will refer to it with a little "g").

When they took over the term, it referred more to "tricks" to "mimick" the guys that really had Real Game, and it was packaged in a way that everyone could get a slice of the pie (so to speak).

Older cats, would look at a guy like Strauss and Mystery and think they had minimal "Game", even if they were getting girls. They were dorks. I don't mean that in a judgemental way, it is just the way it is. They were awkward. They dressed lame. They were trend followers. Not G's.

The interesting thing however, is that they have probably evolved into having Real Game. Now they are famous. Now they (probably) have money. They (probably) lead a good lifestyle. They are a case of believing in their dreams and having it become a reality. I respect them for that.

What I write about is Real Game. Money, Lifestyle, Travel, Boxing, Swooping Girls etc etc etc.

The younger cats (with no fault of their own) get this twisted sometimes. They were taught this stuff from the internet.

For better or worse, this is were the disconnect originates.

Quote: (01-19-2012 03:58 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Guys like Strauss and Mystery co-opted the word "game" (I will refer to it with a little "g").

When they took over the term, it referred more to "tricks" to "mimick" the guys that really had Real Game, and it was packaged in a way that everyone could get a slice of the pie (so to speak).

Older cats, would look at a guy like Strauss and Mystery and think they had minimal "Game", even if they were getting girls. They were dorks. I don't mean that in a judgemental way, it is just the way it is. They were awkward. They dresses lame. They were trend followers. Not G's.

The interesting thing however, is that they have probably evolved into having Real Game. Now they are famous. Now they (probably) have money. They (probably) lead a good lifestyle. They are a case of believing in their dreams and having it become a reality. I respect them for that.

What I write about is Real Game. Money, Lifestyle, Travel, Boxing, Swooping Girls etc etc etc.

The younger cats (with no fault of their own) get this twisted sometimes. They were taught this stuff from the internet.

For better or worse, this is were the disconnect originates.

What about folks who (like myself) never focused on girls and were always worried about the rest of the stuff that is going on in their life? I respect what you have to say, but I don't aspire to be like you with respect to to your style.

I don't like suits, they are uncomfortable and hot, even Bespoke suits. I respect them, but it doesn't fit my persona; I wear nice shit, really nice shit when I leave the house and I like my style and so do chicks.

When I travel, I have different goals in mind. I want to conquer the 7 summits, see the Pyramids, Machu Pichu, the Great Wall, Tibet, participate in high adventure etc. I could give two shits about getting flags or notches... I'll go see Europe when I am 50 and my knees and back are shot. I just want high quality tail, regardless of nationality.

My careeer is moving very quickly in the direction I want it to go and it is the career I've wanted since I was a youth. But, I'm not interested in the social aspect of business, to me that shit is boring... sweet talking, bullshitting, building relationships etc. I like the highly competetive market of financial investing, I like getting the feedback in a no bullshit manner, I like things that way. To me money is a tool that I use to realize other more fulfilling things in my life and is not an end in and of itself.

I think I hear what you're spitting, but I have a disconnect somewhere between what I am about and the vibe I give off that I am trying to fix because a bevy of quality is puss is the only thing lacking in my life at the moment. Do you have any advice for folks like me?

Quote: (01-19-2012 04:22 PM)CGS Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2012 03:58 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Guys like Strauss and Mystery co-opted the word "game" (I will refer to it with a little "g").

When they took over the term, it referred more to "tricks" to "mimick" the guys that really had Real Game, and it was packaged in a way that everyone could get a slice of the pie (so to speak).

Older cats, would look at a guy like Strauss and Mystery and think they had minimal "Game", even if they were getting girls. They were dorks. I don't mean that in a judgemental way, it is just the way it is. They were awkward. They dresses lame. They were trend followers. Not G's.

The interesting thing however, is that they have probably evolved into having Real Game. Now they are famous. Now they (probably) have money. They (probably) lead a good lifestyle. They are a case of believing in their dreams and having it become a reality. I respect them for that.

What I write about is Real Game. Money, Lifestyle, Travel, Boxing, Swooping Girls etc etc etc.

The younger cats (with no fault of their own) get this twisted sometimes. They were taught this stuff from the internet.

For better or worse, this is were the disconnect originates.

What about folks who (like myself) never focused on girls and were always worried about the rest of the stuff that is going on in their life? I respect what you have to say, but I don't aspire to be like you with respect to to your style.

I don't like suits, they are uncomfortable and hot, even Bespoke suits. I respect them, but it doesn't fit my persona; I wear nice shit, really nice shit when I leave the house and I like my style and so do chicks.

When I travel, I have different goals in mind. I want to conquer the 7 summits, see the Pyramids, Machu Pichu, the Great Wall, Tibet, participate in high adventure etc. I could give two shits about getting flags or notches... I'll go see Europe when I am 50 and my knees and back are shot. I just want high quality tail, regardless of nationality.

My careeer is moving very quickly in the direction I want it to go and it is the career I've wanted since I was a youth. But, I'm not interested in the social aspect of business, to me that shit is boring... sweet talking, bullshitting, building relationships etc. I like the highly competetive market of financial investing, I like getting the feedback in a no bullshit manner, I like things that way. To me money is a tool that I use to realize other more fulfilling things in my life and is not an end in and of itself.

I think I hear what you're spitting, but I have a disconnect somewhere between what I am about and the vibe I give off that I am trying to fix because a bevy of quality is puss is the only thing lacking in my life at the moment. Do you have any advice for folks like me?

No, you are getting it completely.

A guy that climbs Mount Everest, and bangs a super hot girl out of the bar?

That guy has tons of Game.

I don't care if he wears Custom Suits or a Woolly Mammoth Parka.

He is a "G" of his field.

A man worthy of respect.

A nerdy scientist that comes up with the cure for Whooping Cough and swoops fly girls? That guy is a straight Scientist G. That guy has Game.

I guess that is what having real Game comes down to: Swooping Girls and being worthy of respect.

Follow me?

Quote: (01-19-2012 04:51 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

No, you are getting it completely.

A guy that climbs Mount Everest, and bangs a super hot girl out of the bar?

That guy has tons of Game.

I don't care if he wears Custom Suits or a Woolly Mammoth Parka.

He is a "G" of his field.

A man worthy of respect.

A nerdy scientist that comes up with the cure for Whooping Cough and swoops fly girls? That guy is a straight Scientist G. That guy has Game.

I guess that is what having real Game comes down to: Swooping Girls and being worthy of respect.

Follow me?

I guess what I am trying to ask is what about guys who never really worried about bitches, did their own thing as far as job, hobbies, fun, etc but never really pulled massive amounts of pussy? I feel like I don't pull a lot of pussy, and I know part of it is because I tend to party a bit hard and get sloppy, but I still feel as though I'm lacking in the swooping girls part. How do those of us who feel the rest of our shit is wired tight but swooping girls is lacking bring those two into congruence?

Quote: (01-19-2012 05:37 PM)CGS Wrote:  

I guess what I am trying to ask is what about guys who never really worried about bitches, did their own thing as far as job, hobbies, fun, etc but never really pulled massive amounts of pussy? I feel like I don't pull a lot of pussy, and I know part of it is because I tend to party a bit hard and get sloppy, but I still feel as though I'm lacking in the swooping girls part. How do those of us who feel the rest of our shit is wired tight but swooping girls is lacking bring those two into congruence?

You should hire Mixx.

Quote: (01-19-2012 09:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

It's discouraging to see guys think lifestyle and game are separate when they are complimentary.

The guys who swear by lifestyle... you can approach a woman and have a fun conversation, right? You know how attraction works, right? You know the logistics of how to seal the deal, right? You know how to turn on a woman, right? Where did that come from? Not working hard at your job and not working at the gym. It comes from boots-on-the-ground interactions with women.

Lifestyle is a 5 year plan (or more). It takes time to build your empire. Game starts seeing result in 5 weeks. Both are needed to see your potential, but the older guys criticizing game can do so because they've already, whether they want to admit it or not, been practicing game for over 10 years. They already have hundreds of interactions with women that they've taken for granted. To advise a 23 year old kid to forget about game and just make money is dangerous and disingenuous advice.

Start with game, build your skills, and then figure out a lifestyle where the game you've learned will make it easy and effortless.

This.


Its easy to post about how your bomb ass lifestlye and completley internalized game make you the most ballin dude around, but for MOST of us we dont have a sports car, the busy play boy life, or the money.

We live in a studio apartment, paying off loans, and working on setting up the groundwork and foundation of that life you have.

HH post is a great motivational one for proving what you can attain, but saying "This is what you should do, just be awesome" simply wont work for most.

Thats what game is. Its the lifestyle HH is talking about, for the man who lacks the material part of that existence. A lot of us need that practice.

Its all doable, but I dont like the stance of making it as simple as "be successful, fuck bitches"

I got way more "lifestyle > game" when I read how often you kids are going out.

4-5 nights a week.

That's crazy.

In my early 20's, I was too busy building my career. I went out 1-2 a month.

Now I can goof off a lot more.

You can't build the lifestyle if you're out all of the time.