I don't care how great any boxer or UFC fighter is...they don't hold a candle to the talent and charisma of Ric Flair...WOOOOOOO!!!
Is boxing underrated?
You do have to give Professional Wrestlers credit for being some of the most inshape men on the planet. Even if its fake (maybe because its fake) their job requires massive amounts of stamina, strength, and agility. Thought I've heard stories that most of the big names in professional wrestling are absolute shit in a fight because they're so programmed to NOT hurt the guy.
Quote: (10-15-2011 12:36 AM)Dash Global Wrote:
Quote: (10-14-2011 03:00 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:
MMA etc just has nothing on a great boxing match like this:
That is pretty boring & tame to me. Looks like they are just crying on each others shoulder and delivering love taps to the body for 80% of the fight.
I want to see mother fuckers go at it HARD. I want to see brutal punches that leave people on their ass / knocked out.
You must be watching a different fight then.
Is this violent enough for you? (Super G Lenny McLean)
For all those that don't think boxing is effective in a real street fight
this guy isn't even that "clean". Great jab though)A fluke? (No. This guy is "clean")
Quote: (10-15-2011 04:30 AM)subutai Wrote:
Either Fedor is past his prime or he was coddled to begin with. His last couple of losses made him look pretty bad.
Ten years is a long time for a combat fighter.
How many broken noses, broken feet, hands, concussions you had?
When you're sitting down at work, reading, and your ears start ringing anda headache....then you understand what it means to be a fighter.
Until then, it's just words on the screen...
Quote: (10-16-2011 01:35 AM)MikeCF Wrote:
Quote: (10-15-2011 04:30 AM)subutai Wrote:
Either Fedor is past his prime or he was coddled to begin with. His last couple of losses made him look pretty bad.
Ten years is a long time for a combat fighter.
How many broken noses, broken feet, hands, concussions you had?
When you're sitting down at work, reading, and your ears start ringing anda headache....then you understand what it means to be a fighter.
Until then, it's just words on the screen...
A decade is a long ass time to DOMINATE a sport and go undefeated.
Esp in MMA where anything can happen.
Unbelievable.
As of right now Fedor is hands down the greatest fighter that ever lived as far as im concerned.
I cant see anyone doing what he did for that long.
Quote: (10-16-2011 01:40 AM)Dash Global Wrote:
Quote: (10-16-2011 01:35 AM)MikeCF Wrote:
Quote: (10-15-2011 04:30 AM)subutai Wrote:
Either Fedor is past his prime or he was coddled to begin with. His last couple of losses made him look pretty bad.
Ten years is a long time for a combat fighter.
How many broken noses, broken feet, hands, concussions you had?
When you're sitting down at work, reading, and your ears start ringing anda headache....then you understand what it means to be a fighter.
Until then, it's just words on the screen...
A decade is a long ass time to DOMINATE a sport and go undefeated.
Esp in MMA where anything can happen.
Unbelievable.
As of right now Fedor is hands down the greatest fighter that ever lived as far as im concerned.
I cant see anyone doing what he did for that long.
"As of right now Fedor is hands down the greatest fighter that ever lived"
Obviously someone who has not studied his history beyond the last few years.
Not surprising.
G,
Obviously im not some fighting historian, my knowledge base is quite small on this. But that is simply my opinion from what I do know.
If you want to benefit the discussion how about listing some people you think are the greatest fighters that ever lived.
You might can change my opinion if you come with something strong
Obviously im not some fighting historian, my knowledge base is quite small on this. But that is simply my opinion from what I do know.
If you want to benefit the discussion how about listing some people you think are the greatest fighters that ever lived.
You might can change my opinion if you come with something strong
Quote: (10-15-2011 10:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
Quote: (10-15-2011 12:36 AM)Dash Global Wrote:
Quote: (10-14-2011 03:00 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:
MMA etc just has nothing on a great boxing match like this:
That is pretty boring & tame to me. Looks like they are just crying on each others shoulder and delivering love taps to the body for 80% of the fight.
I want to see mother fuckers go at it HARD. I want to see brutal punches that leave people on their ass / knocked out.
You must be watching a different fight then.
Is this violent enough for you? (Super G Lenny McLean)
For all those that don't think boxing is effective in a real street fight
A fluke? (No. This guy is "clean")
That second video had me pissing myself laughing with the Eye of the Tiger in the background.
Glad you agree on the Chico fight.
RIP Chico..what a fighter!
To call the Corrales/Castillo fight "tame and mild" and claim that they were crying on each others shoulders and delivering "love taps" to the body is absolutely ridiculous.
Fighting with a pre-written script, or with a coach, cut man, referee, bell, and a sweet clock to give you a rest, cannot compare to fighting with a guy whose deranged objective is to see that you are flatlined.
Quote: (10-16-2011 03:54 PM)hoops330 Wrote:
To call the Corrales/Castillo fight "tame and mild" and claim that they were crying on each others shoulders and delivering "love taps" to the body is absolutely ridiculous.
So are they not head to head (like someone that has their head on anothers shoulder) and punching the body for most of that highlight clip?
That is tame for me esp after watching some savage beat downs in the UFC.
When it comes to destruction of your opponent to systematic, clinical and devastating effect, there is no better martial art than boxing.
The main aim of boxing is to incapacitate your opponent. Other martial arts may teach kicks, self defense, holds, and other (still effective) techniques to resist your opponent but there is no comparison to boxing. A swift right cross followed by a hook = good night. Kicks can be good, but as another poster mentioned, if you slip, you're fucked. Plus nothing is more natural than using your fists.
Combine the footwork, movement, angles, the slipping, blocking and lethal punches in your arsenal means boxing gives you all the right tools - not to mention the awesome fitness. There really is no other comparison.
The main aim of boxing is to incapacitate your opponent. Other martial arts may teach kicks, self defense, holds, and other (still effective) techniques to resist your opponent but there is no comparison to boxing. A swift right cross followed by a hook = good night. Kicks can be good, but as another poster mentioned, if you slip, you're fucked. Plus nothing is more natural than using your fists.
Combine the footwork, movement, angles, the slipping, blocking and lethal punches in your arsenal means boxing gives you all the right tools - not to mention the awesome fitness. There really is no other comparison.
Quote: (10-14-2011 03:50 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:
Krav Maga is widely considered the most lethal form of martial arts and best for street survival situations.
If I remember correctly I believe Speakeasy said he's trained in it for some years. If I continue with my martial arts training in the future, and move to a big city, I think I may try to learn Krav Maga, after I develop some basic mastery of Wing Chun Kung Fu and Muay Thai, the two I am starting to learn.
Krav Maga is also known for intense workouts and sparring, here is a clip of a "demonstration". Although it's not an actual fight you can see how these techniques would be more affective than the clip MikeCF provided us.
Krav maga seems to mainly consist of kicking people in the balls!
Not a bad tactic for a street fight.
I understand boxing is underrated and MMA is overrated.
I looked into this a while ago and choose boxing over MMA/single martial arts for the following reasons:
- The punching range seems to be most important in "uncertain" fights where its common to start awkwardly and not know who all your enemies are. If you know you're facing off against one guy, sure, go BJJ. If you start a coordinated fight in an open area, sure, go Muay Thai. Otherwise, boxing is the best all around skill.
- Why not cross train? Because boxers use their energy better in the punching range than any other fighter, boxing dominant MMA fighters included. And the reality of the "uncertain fight" is that you're very unlikely to go against anyone with actual training, unless you include some thug's street experience as "training"
- There are some other styles meant to disable people with maximum efficiency, Krav Maga for example. Personally I'd rather not train my defensive instincts to gouge someone's eyes or detach a bone from its socket. Boxing again scores well here; it allows a person to defend himself without all the baggage of training for serious damage dealing.
I don't follow sports at all so that was my objective analysis. I'm looking to join a boxing gym next year after handling some other things
- The punching range seems to be most important in "uncertain" fights where its common to start awkwardly and not know who all your enemies are. If you know you're facing off against one guy, sure, go BJJ. If you start a coordinated fight in an open area, sure, go Muay Thai. Otherwise, boxing is the best all around skill.
- Why not cross train? Because boxers use their energy better in the punching range than any other fighter, boxing dominant MMA fighters included. And the reality of the "uncertain fight" is that you're very unlikely to go against anyone with actual training, unless you include some thug's street experience as "training"
- There are some other styles meant to disable people with maximum efficiency, Krav Maga for example. Personally I'd rather not train my defensive instincts to gouge someone's eyes or detach a bone from its socket. Boxing again scores well here; it allows a person to defend himself without all the baggage of training for serious damage dealing.
I don't follow sports at all so that was my objective analysis. I'm looking to join a boxing gym next year after handling some other things
Quote: (12-17-2011 09:15 PM)Ehnulo Wrote:
I looked into this a while ago and choose boxing over MMA/single martial arts for the following reasons:
- The punching range seems to be most important in "uncertain" fights where its common to start awkwardly and not know who all your enemies are. If you know you're facing off against one guy, sure, go BJJ. If you start a coordinated fight in an open area, sure, go Muay Thai. Otherwise, boxing is the best all around sPersonally I'd rather not train my defensive instincts to gouge someone's kill.
- Why not cross train? Because boxers use their energy better in the punching range than any other fighter, boxing dominant MMA fighters included. And the reality of the "uncertain fight" is that you're very unlikely to go against anyone with actual training, unless you include some thug's street experience as "training"
- There are some other styles meant to disable people with maximum efficiency, Krav Maga for example. Personally I'd rather not train my defensive instincts to gouge someone's eyes or detach a bone from its socket. Boxing again scores well here; it allows a person to defend himself without all the baggage of training for serious damage dealing.
I don't follow sports at all so that was my objective analysis. I'm looking to join a boxing gym next year after handling some other things
This is a really good point I've yet to see brought up. I could just imagine the legal hell you'd get into in you busted out some Krav Maga on a guy in a bar fight. A bar fight turns into you break a few of his bones and blind him, chances are its not just gonna get let go as self defense. And most people watching are gonna say you were fighting dirty, not "he was fighting in the style of Krav Maga"
I seem to have lost my way on rooshvforum.network and ended up on sherdog.com
I don't think anyone who seriously understands fighting will underestimate the importance of boxing. Everyone trains boxing in MMA. Boxing does have its limitations, but so does every other individual combat sport that makes up MMA.
Fedor looks like a high school guidance counselor but he's defeated some fucking monsters. In MMA, I would say he had the most dominant run ever. When he first fought Noguiera, every thought he would get worked, but he dominated the entire fight. I do think he's past his prime, but when he was Pride champ, Pride had all of the best heavyweights in the world. The UFC had Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski.
Boxing is on its way out, and that makes me sad. I love boxing. The biggest thing that is destroying boxing isn't the boxing nor is it MMA. They are two different animals. It's the promotions, the corruption, the 9238743987423874 weight divisions, and the fighters ducking each other and having too much power in picking opponents. No one really cares who is champ, because there are too many belts and too many divisions. Boxing belts nowadays don't really mean much.
A washed up Ray Mercer knocking out a washed up Tim Sylvia doesn't really mean much nor does it prove a point. Neither does an aged Randy Couture choking out an out of shape James Toney. The MMA vs Boxing debate belongs in 95 or the shit pile that is sherdog.com.
TL;DR Boxing is a great sport. MMA is a great sport. Those who respect combat sports understand the importance of boxing. Fedor is a beast. Tim Sylvia is a fat goof.
I don't think anyone who seriously understands fighting will underestimate the importance of boxing. Everyone trains boxing in MMA. Boxing does have its limitations, but so does every other individual combat sport that makes up MMA.
Fedor looks like a high school guidance counselor but he's defeated some fucking monsters. In MMA, I would say he had the most dominant run ever. When he first fought Noguiera, every thought he would get worked, but he dominated the entire fight. I do think he's past his prime, but when he was Pride champ, Pride had all of the best heavyweights in the world. The UFC had Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski.
Boxing is on its way out, and that makes me sad. I love boxing. The biggest thing that is destroying boxing isn't the boxing nor is it MMA. They are two different animals. It's the promotions, the corruption, the 9238743987423874 weight divisions, and the fighters ducking each other and having too much power in picking opponents. No one really cares who is champ, because there are too many belts and too many divisions. Boxing belts nowadays don't really mean much.
A washed up Ray Mercer knocking out a washed up Tim Sylvia doesn't really mean much nor does it prove a point. Neither does an aged Randy Couture choking out an out of shape James Toney. The MMA vs Boxing debate belongs in 95 or the shit pile that is sherdog.com.
TL;DR Boxing is a great sport. MMA is a great sport. Those who respect combat sports understand the importance of boxing. Fedor is a beast. Tim Sylvia is a fat goof.
Someone in the thread stated that you should train whatever makes you happiest. I whole-heartedly agree. Because what are the chances that you'll actually go up against a guy 1 on 1 in a fair fight on the street? Just the confidence that one gets from training boxing, mma, wrestling, judo, sambo, muay thai is enough to deter most people who want to fight.
The best self-defense methods are psychology and track.
This is golden.
The best self-defense methods are psychology and track.
This is golden.
I think alot of men watch a boxing match and think it's alot easier than it is. Try punching a heavy bag for three minutes straight without stopping. I bet most athletes think they could. Guess again. Shit... try skipping rope for five minutes straight. Sounds like childs play, right? Guess again. Now try putting out like that while getting punched in the face.
I trained in boxing for six months one winter for the skill and to stay in shape. I got in damn good shape and I was pretty good at it. Then a kickboxer from the French national team moved to my town and started teaching a kickboxing class. He would lay us down on the ground and rub a peice of 2" wooden dowel back and forth over our shins for a while, the point was to kill the nerves in your shin so you can kick shit without feeling anything. He says "we do this for awhile... and then you start kicking a tree..." Boxing is tough. Kickboxing is brutal.
I trained in boxing for six months one winter for the skill and to stay in shape. I got in damn good shape and I was pretty good at it. Then a kickboxer from the French national team moved to my town and started teaching a kickboxing class. He would lay us down on the ground and rub a peice of 2" wooden dowel back and forth over our shins for a while, the point was to kill the nerves in your shin so you can kick shit without feeling anything. He says "we do this for awhile... and then you start kicking a tree..." Boxing is tough. Kickboxing is brutal.
I do practice boxing and it's a really good sport . For the training and bonus to defend your self .
It's a cheap sport , the equipment and the inscription normaly . MMA and other martial arts are all good . You just have to pick one that you prefer . I choose boxing because it was more natural for me I prefer to punch and I'm strong,had good punching power and had a good chin . Since I do boxing I'm more peacefull than ever . You don't want to fight in a club anymore or feel angry . You throw and receive your amount of punch every week so you have your dose . Another reason too I don't want to fight in a club or street fight Is I'm scare to really injured someone and I can be in trouble . So I tent to just protect people that I care if something happen and control my ego .
It's a cheap sport , the equipment and the inscription normaly . MMA and other martial arts are all good . You just have to pick one that you prefer . I choose boxing because it was more natural for me I prefer to punch and I'm strong,had good punching power and had a good chin . Since I do boxing I'm more peacefull than ever . You don't want to fight in a club anymore or feel angry . You throw and receive your amount of punch every week so you have your dose . Another reason too I don't want to fight in a club or street fight Is I'm scare to really injured someone and I can be in trouble . So I tent to just protect people that I care if something happen and control my ego .
I agree with Alfonzo that boxing will have a "calming" effect on you but it also made me alot more aggressive. I guess it wasn't calming for me so much as it was "cool confidence". I was constantly sizing up every guy I met or passed on the sidewalk. Does he look fast... do I think he can hit hard... do I think I can knock him down...
Theres alot of talk about alpha body language but if every guy would start fighting as a hobby then it would just come naturally to you. You'll naturally start setting yourself in a powerful stance and so forth.
Theres alot of talk about alpha body language but if every guy would start fighting as a hobby then it would just come naturally to you. You'll naturally start setting yourself in a powerful stance and so forth.
Yeah i think when you are training hardcore you really feel that you can knock out most of guys in the streets. Put it this way, most of men dont really do any sports, yet they drink, smoke and fuck or masturbate a lot. Do you think they will handle a guy that works out seven days a week and is used to be fighting all the time?
I want to start training MMA after i get my boxing skills right (my background is in judo), however i have met people who told me that MMA is very very aggressive, a fight where you have to be getting punched in the face all the time and get kicked..i definetely dont want to fuck up my face so im still not sure if i will ever do MMA.
I want to start training MMA after i get my boxing skills right (my background is in judo), however i have met people who told me that MMA is very very aggressive, a fight where you have to be getting punched in the face all the time and get kicked..i definetely dont want to fuck up my face so im still not sure if i will ever do MMA.
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