I have seen bitchy behaviour all my life, but lately it is starting to bug me.

I haven't been going out a lot because I was in some kind of relationship, it is getting finished, so I started to go out at night again about two weeks ago and I'm getting stunned by the rudeness women, I usually could laugh about it, but it is too much lately. It seems like I'm having an assholes streak, this wasn't like this at all in my home-town or even in my single days in this city. Last weekend I was astonished about how a friend of mine was getting shoved by approaching girls, without telling them anything wrong, luckily for me I was just getting disgust faces.


Case 1.

Friday we are walking through the streets going to the club and see a pair of average hipster girls, my friend is starting to promote (he invites his friends through facebook), he has tons of friends, though he is not so good to talk to random people, he asks me to approach those girls to say they come for him, I want to help him so I approach the girls and it goes like this:
- Hey are you trying to get in?
- Yes we do.
- Do you know you have to get on the list to get for free right?
- No, that is not true
- It is true
- Ok
(it is, I saw groups of people without list being told to buy tickets)
- Well lucky for you I'm such a nice guy and I will tell you the only thing you need to do is mention my friend's name ****
- Interesting, you know? I think you should better just fuck off.
She waves her hand to behind with a bitchy smile.
-Good luck then
I just smiled and continued my way. We smoke a cigarrette for a couple of minutes and then we head to the club, we walk next to the line and there they are again, when the bitchy girl see us skipping the line (thanks to my friend) she then smiles, and wave her hand saluting us. I could not care less.


Case 2.

Next day I'm in a bar, my friend is talking to a girl who just doesn't shut the fuck up, she asks me a couple of rude questions about my career, like "how do you get to pay for this drinks if you work in that? why aren't you broke as most of my friends who work in that", I get bored of her and let my friend go on again. Some random group of people she met before come by and tell us all to sit outside.

We all sit and in a big table get into a drinking game where everybody has to tell something about her city, she wants to say something but she is kind of shy about it, so I tell her playfully like:

- Come on, what is so embarrassing? that you guys start drinking at 13? we already know that! (she comes from a city where they are famous for making wine)
- It is not like that, you don't have a fucking Idea.
I realize her tone of voice is very serious and I try to soften things.
- Sorry I was just making a joke.
Then she screams:
- That is not a joke, that is completely retarded (at this point she was visibly angry), there was an awkward silence,
I just looked at her with a smile like "you are weird"
She looked around and it seems she realized the ridiculous thing for what she got mad and she just dismisses it like:
- Sorry , let's continue with whatever shit we were talking about.

I played it cool in both situations, but it really pissed me off, I feel like I wanted to let them know that they are huge bitches, like they get so much free pass from thirsty guys, that is the reason we all have to deal with them.

What do you guys tend to do in those situations?

Quote: (05-29-2016 09:26 PM)Bycicleguy Wrote:  

- Well lucky for you I'm such a nice guy and I will tell you the only thing you need to do is mention my friend's name ****
...........
- Come on, what is so embarrassing? that you guys start drinking at 13? we already know that! (she comes from a city where they are famous for making wine)

I can see you coming of as try hard and annoying.

I'm originally from country Australia, so some of the 'bogan' [I guess the American equivalent is hick] in me has still stuck. I usually say; "My dog has better manners". A bit harsh, but I always say it nonchalant. Generally puts them in their place lol.

From the tone of your post you seem pretty bitter towards women. So it's not too surprising that you are eliciting these negative reactions from them. One thing I did was to stop using the word "bitches" in a negative sense. Don't get me wrong, I still use the word, but it's in a neutral or even positive way, such as "that's a bad bitch."

I'd either take a break from trying to meet girls or try to fix this part about yourself. It's important to remember that the biggest players/womanizers are usually guys who have a deep and genuine love for women. Even though it's easy to become jaded once you see the true nature of women, you should never lose your appreciation of them.

In these particular situations, there's nothing you can do except to react as least as possible. Look at the girls as if they are your little sister throwing a temper tantrum and laugh it off.

I've explain this before. Shake up a bottled soda, then dump it on her head. Make it orange, red, purple or a nuclear green color for best affect. Have your camera out and running shoes on.

Quote: (05-29-2016 10:03 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I've explain this before. Shake up a bottled soda, then dump it on her head. Make it orange, red, purple or a nuclear green color for best affect. Have your camera out and running shoes on.

I agree, but since he's a bicycle guy, he should just get on his bike after he pours the soda on her and/or throws shit on her. It would obviously be a faster escape.

Quote: (05-29-2016 09:55 PM)rungoodinc Wrote:  

From the tone of your post you seem pretty bitter towards women. So it's not too surprising that you are eliciting these negative reactions from them. One thing I did was to stop using the word "bitches" in a negative sense. Don't get me wrong, I still use the word, but it's in a neutral or even positive way, such as "that's a bad bitch."

I'd either take a break from trying to meet girls or try to fix this part about yourself. It's important to remember that the biggest players/womanizers are usually guys who have a deep and genuine love for women. Even though it's easy to become jaded once you see the true nature of women, you should never lose your appreciation of them.

In these particular situations, there's nothing you can do except to react as least as possible. Look at the girls as if they are your little sister throwing a temper tantrum and laugh it off.

I love women, I'm just tired of the women of this particular city because this kind of behaviour is apparently the rule. I don't know if your sister disrespects you all the time, I don't have one, but my female cousins and girls that I have met most of my life rarely throw me stuff like this. When they did they were in fact, bitches or how we call them "maleducadas". I don't think it is something about me particularly, my friends get treated like this all the time too, they are just more used to it so they don't care at all.

I might be bitter with the big city life, coming from a smaller place where people tend to be friendlier this kind of behaviour is just hard to swallow.

Walk away. playing tit for tat with idiots is stupid.

If girls are screaming at you like the one in your last example consistently regarding something you said, then you're miscalibrated, and while you might think you're coming off as "playful", you're not.

If it's only happening occasionally, then just charge it to the game. Everyone approaches a girl with a fragile ego and a bitchy personality from time to time, who can't even take the slightest amount of playfulness or sillyness without coming unhinged. I remember a woman a few months ago who when I made some mild sarcastic observation about something she said, started shouting at me "What? What did you say? Fuck you. FUCK. YOU." Just smile, nod, and walk away from these lunatics without a word.

Pre-screening approaches helps a lot; I think Roosh wrote about this. All it takes is briefly looking in her direction and giving her a smile, not a goofy grin, but just look her in the eyes and turn your lips up in a kind and genuine way, like you're pleased to see her. If she returns the favor, it's no guarantee she's down for anything, but she's not likely to give you cunt attitude if you approach. If you smile at her and her face stays as hard as a statue or she turns away, even if she's the only girl alone in the room, forget it.

See point 3:

http://www.rooshv.com/7-signs-you-should...ach-a-girl

The moment the girl in that example said "you have no fucking idea!" in a serious tone, I would've just smiled and nodded and said "I see..." and raised my eyebrows like she was a lunatic. Then forgotten about her.

It sounds like you spent so much time debating whether to approach those hipster girls that you didn't take a moment to pre-screen them. If you had they probably would've given you the stink-eye, and you wouldn't have needed to waste a second on them.

What city? Portland? Seattle? Bay Area? Toronto? DC?

You mention hipsters, so I am assuming it's one of these, but could easily be somewhere else.

Quote: (05-29-2016 11:24 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

What city? Portland? Seattle? Bay Area? Toronto? DC?

You mention hipsters, so I am assuming it's one of these, but could easily be somewhere else.

I don't know, but this guy recently started an "I have a drinking problem" thread, so I think the two topics may very well be related.

Quote: (05-29-2016 10:03 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I've explain this before. Shake up a bottled soda, then dump it on her head. Make it orange, red, purple or a nuclear green color for best affect. Have your camera out and running shoes on.

This works better if it's a craft beer that you pour on her head.

When I encounter this phenomenon I give my best imitation of that 50 Cent drive away gif.

Who cares? Fuck them (and not in the way they want to be fucked either). Don't let them affect your mental state. You're the rock. Give them a namaste gesture and walk away.

You shouldn't have apologized to her in case 2. She smelled blood after that. I would have said "Try me." (YMMV on that, probably would piss off a DC or Toronto bird even more but I hope you're not gaming in a city like that).

Case 1.

You talked about your value rather than showed it.
You tried to display that you thought you knew more than them in the form of a question. (Do you know you have to get on the list to get for free right?)
"Well lucky for you I'm such a nice guy and I will tell you the only thing you need to do is mention my friend's name ****"

You could have said less and displayed ten times the value.

"Hey girls, you on the list for free entry tonight?"
"No"
"Cool come with me"

Keep walking, if they don't follow big deal. If they do you walk into club with two chicks on your arm.

Not only would they likely be impressed but you walk into the club with our friend pre-selection. Introduce them to your promoter friend blah blah blah.

You know the rest.

Quote: (05-29-2016 11:24 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

What city? Portland? Seattle? Bay Area? Toronto? DC?

You mention hipsters, so I am assuming it's one of these, but could easily be somewhere else.

Buenos Aires.

Quote: (05-29-2016 11:38 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I don't know, but this guy recently started an "I have a drinking problem" thread, so I think the two topics may very well be related.

I was reluctant to make this thread because I imagine someone could say that "oh aren't you the guy who confessed he becomes a huge jerk when he drinks?, maybe that is the problem".

Yes, I can be a huge jerk when I drink, but I don't drink every weekend, as I said, I wasn't even going out too much since this last two weeks. This incidents happened this weekend, when the only alcohol I took was one beer. You can think it is about me, I sometimes think it is, but I see girls rejecting guys in very rude ways all the time, the dudes here are just used to girls acting like if their shit doesn't stink.

I suppose this is going to be some kind of rant about Argentina, although is an explanation of why I seem particularly pissed off with this behavior.

My posts can seem like all I have when going out are problems, but I actually have fun, I get some numbers, a makeout, in a rare ocassion a ONS. I just ask on the internet things that embarrass me more, I don't feel like asking my friends. Dude, seriously, how can you stand girls acting so entitled and rude?, they don't know any better, if they have lived in Brazil they wouldn't take this shit, my Brazilian female friends told me, "I can't believe how spoiled the girls here act". I guess that is the reasons you that argentinean guys are so happy even in "pussy hells" like Australia. By the way, I compalint about the girls, because guys are not like that at all, it is ridiculously easy to make friends here, I have random guys inviting me drinks and giving me high fives all the time.

Yes, I still have what I want, If I manage through all the bullshit hoops I can get laid, I strike gold and there is a girl giggling at everything I say, but for every girl I bang I have to approach about 300, 100 of them would be fucking rude, shove me or have her friend stomp my feet when I talk to her, seriously, why? I suppose if I have to approach 50 girls and 10 were rude I wouldn't care, it is the mass numbers of assholeness that are burning my soul.

My easiest bang in this city have been actually American girls, I remember reading about guys complaining about the rudeness of the people in NYC, and I remember thinking "what a pussy, if I lived there with all those sluts I wouldn't care". But now I realize I care, it just makes you think twice when you approach a girl, I didn't have that feeling before, girls usually ignored me or just rejected me politely. I suppose you can get used to it if you just want to get laid, ignore it, smile and look for more targets. But why? I don't understand why should I accept this as normal behavior when I can just pack my stuff and get out of here. Luckily I'm doing that soon (maybe that guy who posted was right and I should give up on women for a while, but it is hard).

As an ilustrative example I was in an international party last weekend, my opening line was very simple "you look like you are from "whatever country". Tried it with Canadians, Mexicans, Colombians, etc. all of them smiled and talked a little, then I go to this group of Argentinean girls and they ignore me and talk between themselves loudly so that I can hear, something like "I'm tired of all this bullshit of where are you from" I thought is that a bad question? what the fuck are you doing in this international party if you don't want to get that kind of question you can go to a "mainstream" bar. Maybe the question was lame, but does she needs to be such a bitch?

I can recognize my mistakes, I recognize that I can be an asshole too, but this is a pretty innocent opener, I just can't see why I should accept this kind of bullshit all the time. Of course, you can do kind of decent if you have a social circle... but seriously, is there a place in the world where you can't make it with social circle outside of conservative religious countries?

Quote: (05-30-2016 12:51 AM)pialox Wrote:  

Case 1.

You talked about your value rather than showed it.
You tried to display that you thought you knew more than them in the form of a question. (Do you know you have to get on the list to get for free right?)
"Well lucky for you I'm such a nice guy and I will tell you the only thing you need to do is mention my friend's name ****"

You could have said less and displayed ten times the value.

"Hey girls, you on the list for free entry tonight?"
"No"
"Cool come with me"

Keep walking, if they don't follow big deal. If they do you walk into club with two chicks on your arm.

Not only would they likely be impressed but you walk into the club with our friend pre-selection. Introduce them to your promoter friend blah blah blah.

You know the rest.

We were not getting in right away, since we where about to buy cigarettes and the club was almost empty since it was early.

If this is why representatives of why guys think Buenos Aires is tough, well now I understand. Please tell me you speak perfect Spanish.

Guys say D.C. is tough, and I'm like how?

There is no game in either interaction. This is aggressively negative game if you ask me. If you're basically going to insult a woman, you know her obvious reaction. That can be a strategy if you know what to do with her emotions, but it's clear that entire concept is not in your universe of ideas.

This is more suited to the newb board. The problems here are such that require deep unlearning of poor habits that some kind soul needs to direct you to a nice piece book that explains emotional progression.

WIA

Girls are almost never rude to me any more. I wonder if that comes from putting on some size.

Quote: (05-30-2016 09:29 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

If this is why representatives of why guys think Buenos Aires is tough, well now I understand. Please tell me you speak perfect Spanish.

Guys say D.C. is tough, and I'm like how?

There is no game in either interaction. This is aggressively negative game if you ask me. If you're basically going to insult a woman, you know her obvious reaction. That can be a strategy if you know what to do with her emotions, but it's clear that entire concept is not in your universe of ideas.

This is more suited to the newb board. The problems here are such that require deep unlearning of poor habits that some kind soul needs to direct you to a nice piece book that explains emotional progression.

WIA

I speak perfect Spanish. I don't get how I'm insulting anyone in any of the examples I'm giving, but you are free to imagine whatever you want.

The second case might seem kind of abrasive, but to be honest I didn't really tell the joke like it was because for some reasons I try to be not so specific about some things. The real conversation was more like this:

- Come on there is no need to be shy, tell us a history about polar bears (since she grew up in snowy city, obviously being playful and sarcastic)
- There are no polar bears in my home town (angry)
- (sigh) I was just kidding
- That is not a joke, that is completely retarded! (screaming)

Sure, it was not the most intelligent thing to say, but insulting? was the first example insulting at all? are you familiar with the concept of teasing?

80% of rude answers I get, I received them during the opener, when I have said barely anything. I suppose "you look like you are having fun" or "you look like you are from ***" are just such insulting phrases...

If 1/3 of girls are rude to you to the point where they are unreasonably disrespectful or assault you, you should take a look at yourself.

You just kinda seem like a dick for the sake of being a dick. They probably feed off your negative energy and you may be disrespectful and insult them without even knowing.

Quote: (05-29-2016 10:36 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Walk away. playing tit for tat with idiots is stupid.

The problem is that majority of women know men will walk away --more out of weakness than strength -- so they play on that.

Standing up to women - or at least calling them out on their bad behaviours is now more about strength. Men as a whole must do this more often.

The odd thing is when a guy stands up to a woman, she secretly respects him more,

OP, get away from argentina, learn good portuguese and come to brazil, just don't come to Santa Catarina, we don't have that much love for gringos here.. (assuming you're argentino). In the summer i've hit on some argentinas that usually come to my city, and out of 10 approaches I got 3 numbers... Which lead to no lay.. Could be me tho, i did just for the flag, argentinas are not really my "type".

Quote: (05-30-2016 10:19 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Girls are almost never rude to me any more. I wonder if that comes from putting on some size.

Definitely, not just girls, people generally speaking.. Once you look like you are strong, people will take your shit more often. (edit): not meaning that you should be rude, or impolite first, but you'll get more respect to express your opinions more freely.

Quote: (05-30-2016 12:41 PM)tanner Wrote:  

The problem is that majority of women know men will walk away --more out of weakness than strength -- so they play on that.

Standing up to women - or at least calling them out on their bad behaviours is now more about strength. Men as a whole must do this more often.

The odd thing is when a guy stands up to a woman, she secretly respects him more,

This is true, call girls out on their shit and they will be displeased at the moment, the next day they'll be smiling at you.

Well I can't speak at all for South America, but here in the states there are a large number of girls whose default attitude is to be snarky and combative. Likely a symptom of the masculinization of our women. It's a real turn off and can be discouraging.

Something is off if this is happening frequently. A lot of Newbies over due the asshole game so they aren't viewed as a "nice guy". Time it down and try to connect with the girl. You aren't building any rapport with these girls.

Quote: (05-30-2016 12:41 PM)tanner Wrote:  

The problem is that majority of women know men will walk away --more out of weakness than strength -- so they play on that.

Standing up to women - or at least calling them out on their bad behaviours is now more about strength. Men as a whole must do this more often.

The odd thing is when a guy stands up to a woman, she secretly respects him more,

Give as good as you get to one of these women around here, and she'll zip right into the bar in 30 seconds and be crowing to any one of her male "friends" that will listen: "Did you HEAR what that asshole out there SAID to me?" She might even decide to come at you herself. If she does and you touch her, you will lose with the legal system 100% of the time, guaranteed.

Engaging with these types, in the US at least, is a great way to get a pack of white knights up your ass in no time.

Yes, they do it because they know they can get away with it. So what? Do you want to get laid or be a hero?