1. Even really hot women in the sex industry are self conscious. Yes, that smoking hot chick with big fake boobs and dyed blond hair is extremely self conscious. That gorgeous gal you're nervous to talk to is wondering if her breath smells, if she looks fat, or if she's too sweaty. You're actually in complete control of the interaction.

2. Women in their early 20s will absolutely date guys in their 30s and 40s, particularly if you're good looking. Girls in their 20s don't generally want to date guys in their 20s. A man's prime is 33 - 40.

3. Despite what the White Knights think, women are raunchy as fuck. They talk about dick almost non-stop. Jesus. The shit strippers talk about is worse than what you'd hear in a college football locker room.

4. Women in the sex industry are actually easy to game. They're not used to a guy who is aloof and who won't fawn all over them. Ignore some text messages, check out other girls, and don't obsess over her like everyone else does. Mix alpha vibes with a bit of provider game. Blam. IMO, they're actually easier to game than regular girls. Let her text you - rarely initiate the interaction. However, you have to accept the fact that they're getting inundated with dick on a daily basis. Your aloof attitude will intrigue them.

5. Either be rich and have your shit together or be an unapologetic degenerate (or do what I do and be both). But whatever you do, be interesting. It's the guys in between who get screwed. The insurance salesman, the dentist, the store manager, etc are great, hard working quality dudes but women are like "meh". Bartenders, DJs, real estate developers, lawyers, tattoo artists - those guys all get laid by hot chicks on the regular.

6. Women in the sex industry are damaged goods. They have daddy issues, relationship issues, and all kinds of other shit. It takes a certain type of woman willing to show their hooha for cash. They have also encountered every type of dick imaginable, and become experts at draining them of cash (and sperm). A current or former stripper will probably not be a good mother or role model. So don't try and wife up a sex worker. Instead, just have fun with them. Understand that (a) she's fucking other dudes (if you ask her she'll lie); and (b) she's never going to become June Cleaver. But that doesn't mean you can't have a good time...

7. That said, almost all women these days are damaged goods, not just women in the sex industry. Strippers are basically regular Tinder girls on crack and steroids. Actually dating one without going broke requires a high level of game.

8. Smart men can be dumb as fuck with their money. There is this one girl who works at the club who got pregnant by the DJ. One of her "regulars" agreed to "sponsor" her and pretty much pay for her lifestyle. Even though he's not even fucking her. There are far too many men willing to play Captain Save A Ho, even if they're getting nothing in return. Why wealthy men choose to fund the lifestyle of 22 year old girls for nothing in return, I do not know.

9. Strippers don't make as much money as you would think. More than a bartender or server, but not all that much more. Except for the ones who have "sponsors", most are actually living in a three bedroom apartment with roommates, and what they want out of life is a decent looking guy willing to pamper them and not ask a lot of questions. Many are good looking single mothers who got knocked up by a bartender or DJ.

10. "Desire cannot be negotiated." That is the most brilliant thing the Rational Male has ever said. There are dudes who blow thousands of dollars a month on strippers and get nothing but a peck on the cheek. Then at night she goes home to the DJ's house who had to borrow $20 for gas to get to work. Money is no substitute for game. This applies to all women, but most especially women in the sex industry. Can't buy me love...

"Why wealthy men choose to fund the lifestyle of 22 year old girls for nothing in return, I do not know."

Look up "findom" and say good bye to your sanity, lmao.

Nice write up. This'll help me when I get to the US, heh.

Repped.

Quote: (04-01-2016 09:24 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

"Why wealthy men choose to fund the lifestyle of 22 year old girls for nothing in return, I do not know."

Look up "findom" and say good bye to your sanity, lmao.

Shouldn't you be getting bangs in exchange for findom, though?

Quote: (04-01-2016 09:39 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Quote: (04-01-2016 09:24 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

"Why wealthy men choose to fund the lifestyle of 22 year old girls for nothing in return, I do not know."

Look up "findom" and say good bye to your sanity, lmao.

Shouldn't you be getting bangs in exchange for findom, though?

No. If you think about it, it's the diametric opposite of game...so no pussy for findom chodes

Quote: (04-01-2016 09:39 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Quote: (04-01-2016 09:24 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

"Why wealthy men choose to fund the lifestyle of 22 year old girls for nothing in return, I do not know."

Look up "findom" and say good bye to your sanity, lmao.

Shouldn't you be getting bangs in exchange for findom, though?

Apparently not. Read about one guy discussing the joyous feeling of "having my wallet drained". Excuse me?

Quote: (04-01-2016 09:24 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

"Why wealthy men choose to fund the lifestyle of 22 year old girls for nothing in return, I do not know."

Look up "findom" and say good bye to your sanity, lmao.

Quote: (04-01-2016 09:47 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

Quote: (04-01-2016 09:39 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Quote: (04-01-2016 09:24 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

"Why wealthy men choose to fund the lifestyle of 22 year old girls for nothing in return, I do not know."

Look up "findom" and say good bye to your sanity, lmao.

Shouldn't you be getting bangs in exchange for findom, though?

Apparently not. Read about one guy discussing the joyous feeling of "having my wallet drained". Excuse me?

I'd rather my balls drained and wallet remain fat and happy.

No joke, some dudes are so fucking weird.

This is a great place to lurk

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/forum.php

^ GOLD MINE

First thread I clicked

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I Can't Commit
This is part II of my thread on quitting cam and guys asking to go exclusive (posted in Ladies Only).

So I'm at a weird point in my life. I'm pushing 30, but I'm still not ready to settle down. For myself, 34-38 seems like a good age to settle down.

My ex from 10 years ago wants to get back together. I'm not opposed, but I keep finding things "wrong" with him that should not be dealbreakers. Then I realized I do this with every guy! This guy makes a fuckload of money and tells me I would never have to work again. But I don't want that kind of life. I want to work and spend time doing rewarding work.

Camgirl.

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He's tall and has a closeknit family. He's nice. I'm his dream girl he always says. Like most of my exes, we only broke up because one (or both) of us moved away. In this case, both of us. But I feel like he lacks the extreme artistic drive I like in men. He was in a dumb band in his teens. He loves music and would go to any art event I asked him to go to. What's wrong with me?

Right now I'm dating this guy who actually is the type I like. Very artistic guy who does industrial design for work. He does amazingly beautiful special effects sculpting and makeup for fun. He is very outdoorsy and even has plans to build his own home by hand. He loves minimal living like I do. He is gothy and we are in the same music scene. He has long, dark hair that I like. He would do anything for me. He talks about wanting babies. So what do I find fault in him? He's 3 inches shorter than I'd ideally want him to be. This is so petty!!!! I don't want to care about this!!!! I mean if I have complaints like THIS right NOW, what the fuck will the future hold?? I can't be 60 with a guy when I am already complaining that he's mildly shorter than I'd ideally want him to be. Another thing is that, while his job is ideal and stable, nurse practitioners make more money than he makes and I think I'd resent being the bread winner. But I like the idea of earning a lot of money. I'm already a very minimal spender, so why the fuck do I care about this?

I'm so annoyed with myself lol! What do I do, bbs? I don't want to be this petty but I can't control it! Everyone I know keeps joking that I'm going to be a cougar. It's already stated to happen where I attract like 19 year olds but that freaks me out. I could see being a cougar to a guy 26+ when I'm much older, but not now!

How do I get over my weirdness? I really don't want to be this petty. I do live in an area with lots of singles so I could be single forever and it's not a problem, but I do want kids sometime in my 30s and I'm pushing 30 now. 34-38 seems ideal. Halpsies

Quote: (04-01-2016 11:26 AM)getdownonit Wrote:  

^ GOLD MINE

Hamster on steroids, but the good threads are the ones where chicks talk about how to make more money.

A woman's game is not in her looks, but in what she can do and say to get stuff out of you without giving up anything.

The strip club is a place where women openly compete with each other for scarce resources, and the playing field is fairly level.

It's rarely the fresh 21 year old that makes the most money, it's the grizzled 27 year old that stays in shape, never gets drunk, sizes up her targets, and knows what to say to get the right reactions.

Her pick up is convincing you to pay for her to barely grind in your lap. When you break off the 20, that's her orgasm.

WIA

Another note - if you give off that "alpha provider" vibe they get very needy. Especially if you own a house, a car, have money, can change a tire, etc.

But that's pretty much every girl ever.

My old man took me to a strip club for the first time when I was 16 in Atl.

He said (Imagine this in a Ricky Ricardo Cuban accent)

"Son joo see dees womens? Dey are all hoors. But at lees in hea joo know dat dey all jus want joo money. Out dere (pointing to the outside world) ees reely da same only joo don know it jet. Dey all hoors essept joo mom en da one joo marry..."

Translation:

"Son you see all these women? They are all whores. But at least in here you know that all they want is your money. Out there (the outside world) it's really the same only you don't know it yet. Remember, they're all whores except your mom and the one you marry"

Word Pops...word

I'd like to highlight a couple of your points.

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5. Either be rich and have your shit together or be an unapologetic degenerate (or do what I do and be both). But whatever you do, be interesting.

You don't actually have to be that wealthy or that cool to date dancers. Most of the strippers I've met aren't all that high-and-mighty about their job or think they deserve the best guy in the world. Some girls feel glamorous about it like they are some kind of mini-celebrity, but for the most part they are just typical damaged girls in their late teens/20's who would have no problem dating your average nobody - but it is true you can't be some boring schlub.

My ex's coworkers had boyfriends that were generally nothing to brag about. Typical 20-somethings who drove beater cars, smoked pot, played video games, and hung out with their friends. They didn't have dangerous-drug-dealer vibe, just typical kids who weren't totally boring to chill with.

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9. Strippers don't make as much money as you would think.

Absolutely. I've never met a stripper who was doing well with money. Just because they make $1000/night here and there doesn't mean they are living comfortably. They still get broke, the blow their money on lame shit all the time, and they never go anywhere.

I equate to basically being a high-paid waitress. They wait on men, collect their tips, go home late at night, and blow there money on bills and vices. Rinse and repeat.

Quote: (04-01-2016 11:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Quote: (04-01-2016 11:26 AM)getdownonit Wrote:  

^ GOLD MINE

Hamster on steroids, but the good threads are the ones where chicks talk about how to make more money.

A woman's game is not in her looks, but in what she can do and say to get stuff out of you without giving up anything.

The strip club is a place where women openly compete with each other for scarce resources, and the playing field is fairly level.

It's rarely the fresh 21 year old that makes the most money, it's the grizzled 27 year old that stays in shape, never gets drunk, sizes up her targets, and knows what to say to get the right reactions.

Her pick up is convincing you to pay for her to barely grind in your lap. When you break off the 20, that's her orgasm.

WIA

Sounds like my experience. I've only been about two or three times with friends. Both times it wasn't my idea and I just tagged along.

I could see through this one older stripper sizing me up, flattering me with compliments, touching me subtly in the right places.

I thought to myself, "she's qualifying me!"

I was going to decline, but I played along to see what else I could learn from her.

She gave me a not-so-comfortable lap dance and tried to push for the "bang" (get me to pay her for private sex).

I said I didn't have cash. She then wanted me to ask my "richer-looking" friend. She was polite, sexy, but still persistent.

I still declined.

We ended up having a chat about her life and mine. I said a cocky-funny joke out of nowhere and she laughed really loudly, making me feel cool. (now I realize she was building more comfort because of my LMR!!!!! lol!).

I paid her and left the area, but I did find myself hanging around with my friends a bit longer at closing time just to get another peek at her and say "goodbye." I wanted her to acknowledge me just one more time. Like a good little future customer

Strippers may "date" rich men but they fall for broke bad boys.

If you work 9 to 5 forget about dating strippers, once they finish their shift they don't unwind until early in the morning.

I wouldn't say all strippers are broke, they make money very easily and spend it easily. I know a few (EE background) who earned enough money to buy commercial real estate buidlings.

Also simpery is very big nowadays, so even fat ugly strippers can make a living.

It's been said that modern game is reverse engineered from what hot girls do.

WIA

Quote: (04-01-2016 01:48 PM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

Quote: (04-01-2016 11:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Quote: (04-01-2016 11:26 AM)getdownonit Wrote:  

^ GOLD MINE

Hamster on steroids, but the good threads are the ones where chicks talk about how to make more money.

A woman's game is not in her looks, but in what she can do and say to get stuff out of you without giving up anything.

The strip club is a place where women openly compete with each other for scarce resources, and the playing field is fairly level.

It's rarely the fresh 21 year old that makes the most money, it's the grizzled 27 year old that stays in shape, never gets drunk, sizes up her targets, and knows what to say to get the right reactions.

Her pick up is convincing you to pay for her to barely grind in your lap. When you break off the 20, that's her orgasm.

WIA

Sounds like my experience. I've only been about two or three times with friends. Both times it wasn't my idea and I just tagged along.

I could see through this one older stripper sizing me up, flattering me with compliments, touching me subtly in the right places.

I thought to myself, "she's qualifying me!"

I was going to decline, but I played along to see what else I could learn from her.

She gave me a not-so-comfortable lap dance and tried to push for the "bang" (get me to pay her for private sex).

I said I didn't have cash. She then wanted me to ask my "richer-looking" friend. She was polite, sexy, but still persistent.

I still declined.

We ended up having a chat about her life and mine. I said a cocky-funny joke out of nowhere and she laughed really loudly, making me feel cool. (now I realize she was building more comfort because of my LMR!!!!! lol!).

I paid her and left the area, but I did find myself hanging around with my friends a bit longer at closing time just to get another peek at her and say "goodbye." I wanted her to acknowledge me just one more time. Like a good little future customer

Unrelated but related...

This is like living the red pill. Holy shit. Way more stories to come in the next few weeks.

Currently have a stripper as a plate. Can confirm accuracy of this post.

Always love to read these "(#) Things I Learned" write-ups on RVF/ROK. Every one provides a bit of knowledge on game unique to that person's experiences, and it really does help every reader.

Repped.

Quote: (04-01-2016 11:14 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

This is a great place to lurk

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/forum.php

That site is depressing haha. One of my exes once told me she cammed for a short while and I never looked at her the same way again. She was so self-conscious she would never send me a video or nudes it didn't make sense to me how she could do that.

Amazing how many women are out there just whoring it up for a little cash. I wonder what the true number of cam girls are just in the US. 100K? 5M? 25M? Bet you can go out to any bar in any major city and at least 1 in 10 girls has or is currently camming for "sad, old horny men."

Quote: (04-02-2016 07:04 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Quote: (04-01-2016 11:14 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

This is a great place to lurk

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/forum.php

That site is depressing haha. One of my exes once told me she cammed for a short while and I never looked at her the same way again. She was so self-conscious she would never send me a video or nudes it didn't make sense to me how she could do that.

Amazing how many women are out there just whoring it up for a little cash. I wonder what the true number of cam girls are just in the US. 100K? 5M? 25M? Bet you can go out to any bar in any major city and at least 1 in 10 girls has or is currently camming for "sad, old horny men."

We live in a time where women are not shamed, but in fact encouraged to pursue unbound sexual experimentation and exploitation. So many women are "empowered" by "being in control of their body and choices" when going into sex work. It's heavily glorified and people eat it up.

I see them all as sad and confused girls with poor upbringings and little chance for a happy and stable life into their later adult years.

That stripper I dated, ended up knocked up by some nobody who worked at Dunkin Donuts. Last I checked she turned into a total hippie and her and that dude aren't together of course. Not sure how she makes ends meet - likely with full financial and parental backing from her family.

Another girl I dated years and years ago wound up becoming a cam girl. Last I ever heard she had that typical "this is my life and my choice and I have lost some friends and hurt relationships with my family over it but its what I want to do and I make a lot of money doing it if you don't like then blah blah blah" outlook on it. Her father was a sort of overbearing type that I'm sure hates himself and her for what she's turned out as. She was also dating some beta looking dweeb last I ever knew.

It takes a certain kind of girl to be in the sex work industry.

^


But man, we even have guys in this space - and this forum - enabling this behavior, by saying sex workers don't "deserve to be shunned or treated like a pedophile either." -> thread-54698...pid1267567

Story:

There is a 500lb guy who met one of the girls in the club. We'll call this girl Star. Our tubby hero fell madly in love with Star. He became Star's sponsor and sends her sugar daddy money each month. They then "dated", which consisted of him taking her out to expensive dinners. When tubby made a move, Star told him that she does not believe in sex before marriage. Star has not banged this guy and he has gotten no play whatsoever. From there, Star told him they could be engaged, but the engagement period had to be at least three years. The money and the fancy dinners keep coming, while tubby gets no sex, probably jerking off each night thinking about consummating his impending marriage.

Recently, Star got knocked up by the DJ. Then she married him and they bought a house using Tubby's money. Unfortunately, a preggo Star is not able to strip, meaning her sole source if income is Tubby. This means she has to find clever ways to conceal both her pregnancy and marriage from him by saying she's on trips or visiting family. For nine months. And the sad thing is apparently he believes it. Then when she gets back, they can talk about their impending "marriage".

Bonus: Star's actual husband knows about all this.

I have dated strippers. If it is your first go around, you will get a big ego boast. However, the novelty wears off soon and will will discover how broken these girls are.

The last one I dated was an alcoholic, emotionally damaged woman who started a physical fight with me while we were on vacation in Mexico. I broke it off with her the following day. They can be fun for a bang but be cautious not to invest anything emotionally with them. There are a few exceptions who are smart business women that work for a limited time and stack cash to further their life. Nevertheless, it is a wise policy to never take these girls seriously, other then some fun and sex.