I have grown so much in the past few months by reading psychology, learning about myself, studying women and have ultimately grown into the person that I have always wanted to become. What I have realized is that in this process I have abandoned my respect for marriage and long term commitments. Not on my end, but on the end of a female who has made the commitments. Through that process I have realized that in my experience , as soon as the female becomes unhappy in her relationship, she is FULLY willing to cheat. This has made me reconsider ever being in a relationship with a Western woman long term. In the past few months I have met several women that are unhappy and are looking for the next best thing despite the Beta she has at home waiting on her beckoned call. That used to be me. But it will be never again. In fact, a beautiful woman I dated 5 years ago married and had a kid with a very wealthy good looking man our age but he somehow did not live up to her expectations and has started to snapchat me hinting to meeting up for a sexual exchange. At this point, I no longer value a marriage commitment and certainly not a "relationship" commitment because I am not at the point in my life of realizing I should take and pillage everything I want in life because no female has EVER shown me the respect or commitment I was willing to give in a relationship and I have therefore abandoned the choice to allow it to happen again. Are most of you now on the same page after swallowing the red pill or have I just taken to many?

You didn't tell your location, but judging by your post, I assume you are in the Western world. You will have a VERY hard time findind marriage material in the West. Most girls fall into that feminist bullshit, are (reformed) sluts, and view single motherhood as something acceptable.

There are definitely some women worth marrying, but most of them are not in America. You will find them in EE and SEA mostly. In those places, there are a lot of virgins who can cook / massage and who value marriage as a sacred union that cannot be broken, and also view single motherhood as the worst of sins (it is). I personally love gaming many chicks at the same time, but I plan on settling down and marrying (probably gaming on the side), but it will NEVER be with a western girl.

It's not an overdose of red pill, it's realizing how women are broken in certain parts of the world.

Quote: (03-22-2016 03:43 AM)scheme00 Wrote:  

Through that process I have realized that in my experience , as soon as the female becomes unhappy in her relationship, she is FULLY willing to cheat.

I think most women, wherever in the world they are, will be prone to cheating if given the opportunity.

This goes for whether they are happy in the marriage or not.

Fidelity/morality is a masculine trait and something men value and hold as primary. For women it's very much secondary, though they demand we subscribe to it because we are supposed to bring masculinity to the table.

If you want a faithful wife you must bridle her.

Women in other countries, as Rawmeo points out, are better material for this but they will still need to be bridled.

True. It's in our natural instinct to cheat, it's all about self-control. As my old friend used to say, keep the leash tight, and set your limits. For example, if you take her out to the club and she starts flirting with other guys, immediately interrupt this and let her know that "this is no". The more you let her do that, the more she'll start ignoring that you are the man, and she'll start doing whatever she wants, and eventually end up fucking another man who "made her feel special".

^^wouldn't that be construed as mate guarding and dry up the snatch?

^^ We are not talking about fb or some new notch. This is your wife/mother of your children of course you "guard" her.

Quote: (03-22-2016 05:35 AM)Onto Wrote:  

If you want a faithful wife you must bridle her.

I looked up this word and pictures of horses came up, lol. How does a man bridle a wife?

Interesting thread and I'm going to speak based on my life experience as I've been married and happily divorced now.

This is about two people with the same nationality, mutual interests and strong bond. However people tend to change a bit, uncontrollable and stressful situations may arise and relationships are a two-way street. If I have learned anything in my relationship, it's once it gets bad, it rarely gets better. If a couple can't compromise, it's often game over.

A relationship must not lack intimacy otherwise it will make both miserable and grumpy and could very well be contributing to nasty behaviour. Stress often kills libido/desire and this must change as you want to have regular intimacy.

The tier 2 to save the relationship is "the counsellor". I can't convince myself that this will do any good towards a relationship. I absolutely refuse to be part of one because this is where often the pillar gets bent/influenced towards the woman side, especially if the counsellor is also a woman.

Marriage/LTR
I've yet to find a decent and trustworthy woman where I currently live today. My parents are happily married but that's a complete different generation. Technology is good if used wisely and I can't stress enough how all these "girls ain't loyal" by whoring around sending slutty snapchats, instagram photos, etc.. It's just doomed to failure if both man/woman are using these tools unwisely.


Moving Forward
I'm constantly trying to meet new people and let it happen naturally. I try not to get myself too deep in it as I don't want to suffer down the road. As for the trusting issue, yeah, it's present subconsciously. Nowadays, it will require some serious effort for me to really trust a woman. That's why I prefer a NON-MONOGAMOUS lifestyle.

100% no joke, I have a few girls sending me naked photos on the DAILY and some of them are in a relationship. *All voluntarily*. They even say they miss fucking me and all that. (Attention Seekers)

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Quote: (03-22-2016 10:36 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

Quote: (03-22-2016 05:35 AM)Onto Wrote:  

If you want a faithful wife you must bridle her.

I looked up this word and pictures of horses came up, lol. How does a man bridle a wife?

It's a metaphor. A bridle is used to direct and control the horse.

Quote: (03-22-2016 10:36 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

Quote: (03-22-2016 05:35 AM)Onto Wrote:  

If you want a faithful wife you must bridle her.

I looked up this word and pictures of horses came up, lol. How does a man bridle a wife?

What roberto said. It's where the term "bride" originates from. When a woman is single her feminine energy is spilling out everywhere into the world for anyone to have and enjoy. When a man marries her he is "bridling" the feminine. It's symbolically performed with the ring. When he puts it on her finger he is saying, "Now, only onto me".

But it better be followed up with action.

Problem is not many modern day men do more than put the ring on, so her feminine energy isn't just for him alone, it's still for the whole world (other men included). She get's to have her cake and eat too, as society pretty much demands. That is if her husband let's her and she'll certainly test him to see how much rope he'll give her. Though that's done long before the wedding.

Some may say it's guarding, but it's really a reigning in of the wild feminine. Not unlike a horse, a husband must take firm hold of the reigns and use it to control and direct for the good of the mission/marriage. If he doesn't, what would happen? The horse wouldn't move or go where it wants. He may even get thrown off and injured, depending on the horse.

Try being weak with a woman and see how it ends up.

The term husband is used to describe his responsibility. He is to husband (gather) all of his resources for the good of the marriage/family. In his single life he would do it for his own self-interests, but now he sacrifices for the needs of the marriage/family.

She surrenders to him to create and grow the Union
He sacrifices for her for this same purpose.

By doing the above each person casts their previous "Identies (self-interest) into the fire for the We. The unification of the masculine/feminine.

Marriage used to be a path of inward Self-development.

The modern day marriage has gone quite astray from that.

Quote: (03-22-2016 10:36 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

Quote: (03-22-2016 05:35 AM)Onto Wrote:  

If you want a faithful wife you must bridle her.

I looked up this word and pictures of horses came up, lol. How does a man bridle a wife?

I'm sure it was meant metaphorically. But the literal interpretation would look something like this:

Women, like everyone, respond to incentives. Most women today have no incentive to maintain a marriage and are actually incentivized to destroy marriages. In fairness, woman providers today with dependent husbands are getting screwed as well but I will just focus on traditional relationships for now. That said, the west doesn't respect sole/male traditional providers anymore and harshly punishes those that attempt to go down that route.

Therefore you must go to an environment where women are both culturally and legally/financially incentivized to maintain a marriage; where the very concept of ending it would mean cultural/social excommunication and financial devastation OR you attempt to change your current environment to restore some of men's lost leverage.

In the west, women are encouraged to blow up marriages the first moment they don't get their way and they have the legal system on their side to ensure they receive unfair amounts of financially compensation for blowing things up. What real leverage do you have as a man who is a sole-provider to keep a woman in check?

Of course, you can use game and that MIGHT do the job alone but you will often be fighting against overwhelming forces of cultural and financial incentives that are simply too irresistible to an emotionally based individual (i.e. women). The reason previous generations made things work was because the incentives between genders were more balanced. Today, everything is tilted in a woman's favor:

Hiring preferences, college admissions, promotions, government benefits, cultural sympathy, legal system (false accusations, child custody, child support, alimony, etc). The game is essentially rigged against men in every contest vs a woman.

If you are a man who wants to be a sole-provider:
-You get less preference in jobs
-You get less preference in college admissions
-You pretty much don't exist to social services for gov't benefits
-You are guilty before innocent in any kind of criminal accusation
-If you get divorced, you get to pay alimony sometimes for life despite the circumstances (she cheated, she didn't take care of kids, etc)
-If you get divorce, you have to pay child support that is often grossly way more than any child needs

And the final cherries on top is that militant feminism is rampant throughout society and Eat, Prey, Fuck culture is encouraged.

As a man, what leverage do you really have in today's environment? You pretty much have to find a pure altruistic unicorn to counter-balance all the aforementioned; the rare good-girl (and even then, she can be corrupted at anytime very easily if she so much slips up a bit). The entire system is designed right now to indulge women's impulsiveness and short-sighted feelings and emotions while also neutering men's abilities to counter any of their bullshit.

The result is that men have become so neutered that they almost talk and act like women today; it's sad, pathetic, and essentially marks the beginning of a genocide on an entire gender. That might sound ridiculous but women (as lesbian couples and singles) can just go to a sperm bank today and get a baby minus the man. It is perfectly legal and culturally acceptable today to have a child from the get go with no man involved. It's insane. It also means as a man, you are living on borrowed time.

That's not to say women in a non-west environment are perfect, it's just as a man you have a fair and reasonable amount of leverage to counter any bad behavior and keep a woman in-line; something critical given the emotional based logic that the majority of women utilized.

However in the west, there are only a few ways to counter shit behavior (as the OP is realizing):

1. Don't get married. Ever. Not until the legal system is changed at least.

2. LTR only very high-quality women who have Mother of Your Children qualities; dump as soon as they fail that test.

3. Refuse to have kids in the west until if/when child support laws change; be very careful to not knock up a random woman. Treat your jizz like its the keys to your bank account for the next two decades (because it is).

4. Spread the red pill gospel; drop red pill tidbits on to people experiencing blue pill crisis of conscience (victims of: divorce rape, false accusations, cheated on, child support rape, etc)

5. Vote for Trump; who is likely the west's last hope of turning the tide and reforming the environment to something reasonable and fair for men.

The alternative is to leave the west and hope wherever you go doesn't become like where you escaped from.

Personally, I wouldn't voluntarily have a family/marriage in the US right now. I would go as far to say that it is psychologically and financially grossly negligent and dangerous as a sole-providing man in 2015 to have kids and/or get married in the west. If Trump gets elected and the cultural and legal worlds change to resemble something more fair for men, that could change the equation significantly. We shall see though; I'm hoping for the best and planning for the worst.

Black Knight, you really summed it perfectly and it amazes me how few men today see it. They truly are asleep in the Matrix, until it affects them, and by then the damage is often brutal.

FireStarter, that pic is a bit extreme but her nipples are hard aren't they?

Quote: (03-23-2016 05:15 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Black Knight, you really summed it perfectly and it amazes me how few men today see it. They truly are asleep in the Matrix, until it affects them, and by then the damage is often brutal.

Most men truly are asleep at the wheel but I do think the tide is turning.

I was just thinking about what I wrote and to expand on what I said:

I just realized that it is perfectly legal and culturally acceptable for lesbian couples and single women who can't/refuse to attract a man to have a child via a sperm bank but as a man, it is illegal (in the vast majority of jurisdictions) and culturally unacceptable for men to bang consenting adult women for money (whores) just to get a nut on. It's like we live in the twilight zone or something.

Men really do barely have any leverage left in the west and the upcoming USA election is going to be the crucible event in whether the ship will actually turn away from the storm or be consumed by it.

Quote: (03-23-2016 06:34 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Men really do barely have any leverage left in the west and the upcoming USA election is going to be the crucible event in whether the ship will actually turn away from the storm or be consumed by it.

I think you're right. The fact we have both a woman running and a guy like Trump shows how we're nearing the end of the feminist run.

Even if Hillary is elected it might be akin to a blow off top in the stock market with the rapid decline of feminism to follow. Of course that could take many, many years to unwind.

Quote: (03-23-2016 04:21 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Women, like everyone, respond to incentives. Most women today have no incentive to maintain a marriage and are actually incentivized to destroy marriages. In fairness, woman providers today with dependent husbands are getting screwed as well but I will just focus on traditional relationships for now. That said, the west doesn't respect sole/male traditional providers anymore and harshly punishes those that attempt to go down that route.

Therefore you must go to an environment where women are both culturally and legally/financially incentivized to maintain a marriage; where the very concept of ending it would mean cultural/social excommunication and financial devastation OR you attempt to change your current environment to restore some of men's lost leverage.

In the west, women are encouraged to blow up marriages the first moment they don't get their way and they have the legal system on their side to ensure they receive unfair amounts of financially compensation for blowing things up. What real leverage do you have as a man who is a sole-provider to keep a woman in check?

Of course, you can use game and that MIGHT do the job alone but you will often be fighting against overwhelming forces of cultural and financial incentives that are simply too irresistible to an emotionally based individual (i.e. women). The reason previous generations made things work was because the incentives between genders were more balanced. Today, everything is tilted in a woman's favor:

Hiring preferences, college admissions, promotions, government benefits, cultural sympathy, legal system (false accusations, child custody, child support, alimony, etc). The game is essentially rigged against men in every contest vs a woman.

If you are a man who wants to be a sole-provider:
-You get less preference in jobs
-You get less preference in college admissions
-You pretty much don't exist to social services for gov't benefits
-You are guilty before innocent in any kind of criminal accusation
-If you get divorced, you get to pay alimony sometimes for life despite the circumstances (she cheated, she didn't take care of kids, etc)
-If you get divorce, you have to pay child support that is often grossly way more than any child needs

And the final cherries on top is that militant feminism is rampant throughout society and Eat, Prey, Fuck culture is encouraged.

As a man, what leverage do you really have in today's environment? You pretty much have to find a pure altruistic unicorn to counter-balance all the aforementioned; the rare good-girl (and even then, she can be corrupted at anytime very easily if she so much slips up a bit). The entire system is designed right now to indulge women's impulsiveness and short-sighted feelings and emotions while also neutering men's abilities to counter any of their bullshit.

The result is that men have become so neutered that they almost talk and act like women today; it's sad, pathetic, and essentially marks the beginning of a genocide on an entire gender. That might sound ridiculous but women (as lesbian couples and singles) can just go to a sperm bank today and get a baby minus the man. It is perfectly legal and culturally acceptable today to have a child from the get go with no man involved. It's insane. It also means as a man, you are living on borrowed time.

That's not to say women in a non-west environment are perfect, it's just as a man you have a fair and reasonable amount of leverage to counter any bad behavior and keep a woman in-line; something critical given the emotional based logic that the majority of women utilized.

However in the west, there are only a few ways to counter shit behavior (as the OP is realizing):

1. Don't get married. Ever. Not until the legal system is changed at least.

2. LTR only very high-quality women who have Mother of Your Children qualities; dump as soon as they fail that test.

3. Refuse to have kids in the west until if/when child support laws change; be very careful to not knock up a random woman. Treat your jizz like its the keys to your bank account for the next two decades (because it is).

4. Spread the red pill gospel; drop red pill tidbits on to people experiencing blue pill crisis of conscience (victims of: divorce rape, false accusations, cheated on, child support rape, etc)

5. Vote for Trump; who is likely the west's last hope of turning the tide and reforming the environment to something reasonable and fair for men.

The alternative is to leave the west and hope wherever you go doesn't become like where you escaped from.

Personally, I wouldn't voluntarily have a family/marriage in the US right now. I would go as far to say that it is psychologically and financially grossly negligent and dangerous as a sole-providing man in 2015 to have kids and/or get married in the west. If Trump gets elected and the cultural and legal worlds change to resemble something more fair for men, that could change the equation significantly. We shall see though; I'm hoping for the best and planning for the worst.

Fantastic summary of current gender politics in America, Black Knight. Great post. I agree with everything said.

Quote: (03-23-2016 04:21 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Women, like everyone, respond to incentives. Most women today have no incentive to maintain a marriage and are actually incentivized to destroy marriages. In fairness, woman providers today with dependent husbands are getting screwed as well but I will just focus on traditional relationships for now. That said, the west doesn't respect sole/male traditional providers anymore and harshly punishes those that attempt to go down that route.

Therefore you must go to an environment where women are both culturally and legally/financially incentivized to maintain a marriage; where the very concept of ending it would mean cultural/social excommunication and financial devastation OR you attempt to change your current environment to restore some of men's lost leverage.

In the west, women are encouraged to blow up marriages the first moment they don't get their way and they have the legal system on their side to ensure they receive unfair amounts of financially compensation for blowing things up. What real leverage do you have as a man who is a sole-provider to keep a woman in check?

Of course, you can use game and that MIGHT do the job alone but you will often be fighting against overwhelming forces of cultural and financial incentives that are simply too irresistible to an emotionally based individual (i.e. women). The reason previous generations made things work was because the incentives between genders were more balanced. Today, everything is tilted in a woman's favor:

Hiring preferences, college admissions, promotions, government benefits, cultural sympathy, legal system (false accusations, child custody, child support, alimony, etc). The game is essentially rigged against men in every contest vs a woman.

If you are a man who wants to be a sole-provider:
-You get less preference in jobs
-You get less preference in college admissions
-You pretty much don't exist to social services for gov't benefits
-You are guilty before innocent in any kind of criminal accusation
-If you get divorced, you get to pay alimony sometimes for life despite the circumstances (she cheated, she didn't take care of kids, etc)
-If you get divorce, you have to pay child support that is often grossly way more than any child needs

And the final cherries on top is that militant feminism is rampant throughout society and Eat, Prey, Fuck culture is encouraged.

As a man, what leverage do you really have in today's environment? You pretty much have to find a pure altruistic unicorn to counter-balance all the aforementioned; the rare good-girl (and even then, she can be corrupted at anytime very easily if she so much slips up a bit). The entire system is designed right now to indulge women's impulsiveness and short-sighted feelings and emotions while also neutering men's abilities to counter any of their bullshit.

The result is that men have become so neutered that they almost talk and act like women today; it's sad, pathetic, and essentially marks the beginning of a genocide on an entire gender. That might sound ridiculous but women (as lesbian couples and singles) can just go to a sperm bank today and get a baby minus the man. It is perfectly legal and culturally acceptable today to have a child from the get go with no man involved. It's insane. It also means as a man, you are living on borrowed time.

That's not to say women in a non-west environment are perfect, it's just as a man you have a fair and reasonable amount of leverage to counter any bad behavior and keep a woman in-line; something critical given the emotional based logic that the majority of women utilized.

However in the west, there are only a few ways to counter shit behavior (as the OP is realizing):

1. Don't get married. Ever. Not until the legal system is changed at least.

2. LTR only very high-quality women who have Mother of Your Children qualities; dump as soon as they fail that test.

3. Refuse to have kids in the west until if/when child support laws change; be very careful to not knock up a random woman. Treat your jizz like its the keys to your bank account for the next two decades (because it is).

4. Spread the red pill gospel; drop red pill tidbits on to people experiencing blue pill crisis of conscience (victims of: divorce rape, false accusations, cheated on, child support rape, etc)

5. Vote for Trump; who is likely the west's last hope of turning the tide and reforming the environment to something reasonable and fair for men.

The alternative is to leave the west and hope wherever you go doesn't become like where you escaped from.

Personally, I wouldn't voluntarily have a family/marriage in the US right now. I would go as far to say that it is psychologically and financially grossly negligent and dangerous as a sole-providing man in 2015 to have kids and/or get married in the west. If Trump gets elected and the cultural and legal worlds change to resemble something more fair for men, that could change the equation significantly. We shall see though; I'm hoping for the best and planning for the worst.

Word. +1 rep

Quote: (03-23-2016 04:21 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Women, like everyone, respond to incentives. Most women today have no incentive to maintain a marriage and are actually incentivized to destroy marriages. In fairness, woman providers today with dependent husbands are getting screwed as well but I will just focus on traditional relationships for now. That said, the west doesn't respect sole/male traditional providers anymore and harshly punishes those that attempt to go down that route.

Therefore you must go to an environment where women are both culturally and legally/financially incentivized to maintain a marriage; where the very concept of ending it would mean cultural/social excommunication and financial devastation OR you attempt to change your current environment to restore some of men's lost leverage.

In the west, women are encouraged to blow up marriages the first moment they don't get their way and they have the legal system on their side to ensure they receive unfair amounts of financially compensation for blowing things up. What real leverage do you have as a man who is a sole-provider to keep a woman in check?

Of course, you can use game and that MIGHT do the job alone but you will often be fighting against overwhelming forces of cultural and financial incentives that are simply too irresistible to an emotionally based individual (i.e. women). The reason previous generations made things work was because the incentives between genders were more balanced. Today, everything is tilted in a woman's favor:

Hiring preferences, college admissions, promotions, government benefits, cultural sympathy, legal system (false accusations, child custody, child support, alimony, etc). The game is essentially rigged against men in every contest vs a woman.

If you are a man who wants to be a sole-provider:
-You get less preference in jobs
-You get less preference in college admissions
-You pretty much don't exist to social services for gov't benefits
-You are guilty before innocent in any kind of criminal accusation
-If you get divorced, you get to pay alimony sometimes for life despite the circumstances (she cheated, she didn't take care of kids, etc)
-If you get divorce, you have to pay child support that is often grossly way more than any child needs

And the final cherries on top is that militant feminism is rampant throughout society and Eat, Prey, Fuck culture is encouraged.

As a man, what leverage do you really have in today's environment? You pretty much have to find a pure altruistic unicorn to counter-balance all the aforementioned; the rare good-girl (and even then, she can be corrupted at anytime very easily if she so much slips up a bit). The entire system is designed right now to indulge women's impulsiveness and short-sighted feelings and emotions while also neutering men's abilities to counter any of their bullshit.

The result is that men have become so neutered that they almost talk and act like women today; it's sad, pathetic, and essentially marks the beginning of a genocide on an entire gender. That might sound ridiculous but women (as lesbian couples and singles) can just go to a sperm bank today and get a baby minus the man. It is perfectly legal and culturally acceptable today to have a child from the get go with no man involved. It's insane. It also means as a man, you are living on borrowed time.

That's not to say women in a non-west environment are perfect, it's just as a man you have a fair and reasonable amount of leverage to counter any bad behavior and keep a woman in-line; something critical given the emotional based logic that the majority of women utilized.

However in the west, there are only a few ways to counter shit behavior (as the OP is realizing):

1. Don't get married. Ever. Not until the legal system is changed at least.

2. LTR only very high-quality women who have Mother of Your Children qualities; dump as soon as they fail that test.

3. Refuse to have kids in the west until if/when child support laws change; be very careful to not knock up a random woman. Treat your jizz like its the keys to your bank account for the next two decades (because it is).

4. Spread the red pill gospel; drop red pill tidbits on to people experiencing blue pill crisis of conscience (victims of: divorce rape, false accusations, cheated on, child support rape, etc)

5. Vote for Trump; who is likely the west's last hope of turning the tide and reforming the environment to something reasonable and fair for men.

The alternative is to leave the west and hope wherever you go doesn't become like where you escaped from.

Personally, I wouldn't voluntarily have a family/marriage in the US right now. I would go as far to say that it is psychologically and financially grossly negligent and dangerous as a sole-providing man in 2015 to have kids and/or get married in the west. If Trump gets elected and the cultural and legal worlds change to resemble something more fair for men, that could change the equation significantly. We shall see though; I'm hoping for the best and planning for the worst.

In your opinion, what is the best way to 'spread red pill gospel'. I have been at my absolute lengths with some of my friends on this subject. My father agrees wholeheartedly with my views and looking back as a child he consistently coerced me into a red pill attitude, even when I was beta and thought Disney and love solved everything.

Some guys on here say fuck it - if your friends/acquaintances/coworkers etc can't see the writing on the wall it's their own god damned fault. Sometimes this view resonates with me. Other times, my empathetic nature wants to reach out to the friends/acquaintances/coworkers and tell them to man the fuck up, swallow the red pill, call a spade a spade and realize the world for what it is. Sometimes I'm laughed at or dismissed as extremist. Do you have any theories/ideas/techniques to helping facilitate this? I know Roosh has recommended the meet up which I think is brilliant and simple in its own right. Would be interested to hear others thoughts.

Quote: (03-23-2016 05:15 PM)Onto Wrote:  

FireStarter, that pic is a bit extreme but her nipples are hard aren't they?

I thought the pic was relatively tame, I only noticed you could see her nipples after I posted it.

I'm not sure how many women would go for horse fetish gear, but it has been surprising to learn how many women love to be tied up. And how many women love being spanked.

It seems that while women are no longer as willing to be metaphorically bridled in a relationship anymore, they're still quite happy to continue this in the bedroom.

Quote: (03-24-2016 11:08 PM)FireStarter Wrote:  

Quote: (03-23-2016 05:15 PM)Onto Wrote:  

FireStarter, that pic is a bit extreme but her nipples are hard aren't they?

I thought the pic was relatively tame, I only noticed you could see her nipples after I posted it.

I'm not sure how many women would go for horse fetish gear, but it has been surprising to learn how many women love to be tied up. And how many women love being spanked.

It seems that while women are no longer as willing to be metaphorically bridled in a relationship anymore, they're still quite happy to continue this in the bedroom.

Yes, taming a western shrew is much more difficult, problematic, and with greater risk than it ever has been in history. Deep down though, women want a man to take control and give direction. This is the underlying reason for the "shit test".

Quote: (03-25-2016 06:17 AM)Onto Wrote:  

Yes, taming a western shrew is much more difficult, problematic, and with greater risk than it ever has been in history. Deep down though, women want a man to take control and give direction. This is the underlying reason for the "shit test".

Agree.

But note that there are at least three ways to deal with a shit test.

These first two are likely what came to your mind:
1) Appease (what most men, especially Western men, unfortunately do, despite it no longer working as well as the next option)
2) Brush off (what most men with Game do for a worthy girl - agree and amplify, etc.)

But here's the one that may not have come to your mind, but which more and more Western men are doing:
3) Walk away (what most men do for an unworthy girl)

Quote: (03-25-2016 02:48 PM)262 Wrote:  

Quote: (03-25-2016 06:17 AM)Onto Wrote:  

Yes, taming a western shrew is much more difficult, problematic, and with greater risk than it ever has been in history. Deep down though, women want a man to take control and give direction. This is the underlying reason for the "shit test".

Agree.

But note that there are at least three ways to deal with a shit test.

These first two are likely what came to your mind:
1) Appease (what most men, especially Western men, unfortunately do, despite it no longer working as well as the next option)
2) Brush off (what most men with Game do for a worthy girl - agree and amplify, etc.)

But here's the one that may not have come to your mind, but which more and more Western men are doing:
3) Walk away (what most men do for an unworthy girl)

Well, I tend to confront them on their shit test and bring it out into the light for what it is. While it has cost me bangs in the past, it does cut to the quick and you find out soon if you have a keeper or not.

Sometimes I wish I had more patience and could do #2 so I don't sacrifice the bang. Like fishing you can't tug to hard too fast, but you do have to maintain firm tension and keep reeling.

What I like about Foreign women is they respond well to it. I don't even bother with Western women anymore. I'm here to work when I need money so I can then travel where the fishing is beautiful and enjoyable. In that sense I have done #3 and walked away from it on a macro-scale, but I'm middle-aged. I wouldn't expect a young man to do that.

It does seem to beg the question: For a wife, would you rather have a sweet, kind personality girl or a psychotic hell bitch?
Okay, let's take this one step further: would you rather have a sweet, kind wife who will be a good mother, but has no interest in sex unless it's for kids and gets fat a few years down the road, versus a psychotic hell bitch who will fuck your brains out on the front lawn and bring home strippers for threesomes?
Sentence structure was a mess, but it does change the question, doesn't it?

^ Plate the psychotic hell bitch before you marry the wifey girl. Up to you if you want the maintenance/hassle/immorality of keeping the plate during the marriage.

Marriage is for raising kids, IMO. Otherwise, no point.