@Zelcorpion,

u mentioned pregnant women would almost all test positive for HIV. I have a very interesting story. When I was in Davao, Philippines, I met this nurse working in a public hospital there. She told me that I should be careful in Davao because HIV rates are supposed to be highest in Philippines there and that I should always use condom. She told me that at her hospital, one time they did random HIV test for 10 pregnant girls, and 8 of then tested positive.

Quote: (11-18-2015 02:19 PM)johhny Wrote:  

@Zelcorpion,

u mentioned pregnant women would almost all test positive for HIV. I have a very interesting story. When I was in Davao, Philippines, I met this nurse working in a public hospital there. She told me that I should be careful in Davao because HIV rates are supposed to be highest in Philippines there and that I should always use condom. She told me that at her hospital, one time they did random HIV test for 10 pregnant girls, and 8 of then tested positive.

Yeah - and and all 8 of those women had healthy babies and lived a long life.

The same HIV positive women may test negative a year post birth.

I have stated in my report, but untreated syphilis resulted in almost everyone among the European aristocracy having it right until the 19th century. You could survive on it for decades with ever greater deteriorating consequences especially to the mental health.

It was an epidemic of massive proportions that only ended with modern antibiotics and high-dosage vitamin treatments (Dr. Gerson - though very little known).

An incurable disease like AIDS with a decade-long incubation period should have resulted in billions of infected in our current promiscuous climate.

Nah - I will join the ranks of the AIDS dissenters - nobel price laureates, leading scientists etc - their presentation makes much more sense than the mainstream one.

Delete.

I was actually surprised that this whole Charlie Sheen thing is as big of a headline as it is. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been the story of the century and everybody would have thought he would be dead before the end of 2016. I'm asking you guys some questions here. If I contracted H.I.V. right now and never had any treatment for it, would it ever turn into A.I.D.S.? Other than getting sick more often and having a weaker immune system, would H.I.V., in its present state, kill me, in and of itself, or cause an illness which would kill me? Would H.I.V., in its present state, shorten my life? I'm being completely serious in asking this.

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:05 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I was actually surprised that this whole Charlie Sheen thing is as big of a headline as it is. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been the story of the century and everybody would have thought he would be dead before the end of 2016. I'm asking you guys some questions here. If I contracted H.I.V. right now and never had any treatment for it, would it ever turn into A.I.D.S.? Other than getting sick more often and having a weaker immune system, would H.I.V., in its present state, kill me, in and of itself, or cause an illness which would kill me? Would H.I.V., in its present state, shorten my life? I'm being completely serious in asking this.

Short answer is yes. If I remember correctly Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) isn't a "disease" per se but rather the ultimate effects the HIV virus would have if untreated. By destroying your immune system the virus allows any number of other illnesses/infections to kill you. I'm no expert or medical professional by any means but that's my understanding

EDIT: I'm also pretty sure people are still dying of AIDS in the 3rd world...particularly Africa

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:05 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I was actually surprised that this whole Charlie Sheen thing is as big as a headline as it is. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been the story of the century and everybody would have thought he would be dead before the end of 2016. I'm asking you guys some questions here. If I contracted H.I.V. right now and never had any treatment for it, would it ever turn into A.I.D.S.? Other than getting sick more often and having a weaker immune system, would H.I.V., in its present state, kill me, in and of itself, or cause an illness which would kill me? Would H.I.V., in its present state, shorten my life? I'm being completely serious in asking this.

Modern medicine will keep you alive and AIDS free.

In the gay circles they have robust medicines which are so effective that nobody cares in those circles to get HIV since the drugs will do their job.

In Toronto these drug corps push advertisements heavy at the local feral gay population:



^^^ In 2015 it is easier to manage HIV then it is for somebody to manage daily supplements for bodybuilding.

The downfall is that for hetero men, you will get fleeced as the drugs are expensive, and you still have stigma with the illness. I am not sure how a strait dude can navigate a normal sex life with HIV, you basically could not; and not disclosing to women you fuck, it can send you to jail in many places.

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:23 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:05 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I was actually surprised that this whole Charlie Sheen thing is as big as a headline as it is. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been the story of the century and everybody would have thought he would be dead before the end of 2016. I'm asking you guys some questions here. If I contracted H.I.V. right now and never had any treatment for it, would it ever turn into A.I.D.S.? Other than getting sick more often and having a weaker immune system, would H.I.V., in its present state, kill me, in and of itself, or cause an illness which would kill me? Would H.I.V., in its present state, shorten my life? I'm being completely serious in asking this.

Modern medicine will keep you alive and AIDS free.

In the gay circles they have robust medicines which are so effective that nobody cares in those circles to get HIV since the drugs will do their job.

In Toronto these drug corps push advertisements heavy at the local feral gay population:



^^^ In 2015 it is easier to manage HIV then it is for somebody to manage daily supplements for bodybuilding.

The downfall is that for hetero men, you will get fleeced as the drugs are expensive, and you still have stigma with the illness. I am not sure how a strait dude can navigate a normal sex life with HIV, you basically could not; and not disclosing to women you fuck, it can send you to jail in many places.

I understand that not only modern medicine, but the medicine of decades past, will keep you alive. My question was more if the virus itself has progressed to the point that you won't die any earlier than you normally would, even without drugs. Twenty years ago, almost to the day, I predicted that H.I.V. would reach the point that it no longer causes A.I.D.S., regardless of what medicine the infected person takes or doesn't take. People thought I was completely off my rocker when I said that. I am trying to see if my prediction has come true yet, or if it will be a few more decades.

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:05 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I was actually surprised that this whole Charlie Sheen thing is as big of a headline as it is. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been the story of the century and everybody would have thought he would be dead before the end of 2016. I'm asking you guys some questions here. If I contracted H.I.V. right now and never had any treatment for it, would it ever turn into A.I.D.S.? Other than getting sick more often and having a weaker immune system, would H.I.V., in its present state, kill me, in and of itself, or cause an illness which would kill me? Would H.I.V., in its present state, shorten my life? I'm being completely serious in asking this.

More than likely yes. Because you more than likely would have gotten it through gay sex or IV drug use. You would also more than likely use illicit substances and lived a lifestyle that further weakend your immune system. This combination would lead to you ultimately succumbing to one of the opportune infections. But... Merenguero who is a heterosexual playboy and only practices insertive vaginal intercourse somehow manages to overcome all odds and get infected this way. He also lives a healthy lifestyle with large amounts of fruits and vegetables, exercise religiously and moderates alcohol use. I would think that while eventually it would cause the definitive measures to call it AIDS (CD4 count and opportune infection) my money would be that Merenguero has about the same odds to die by being shot by a jealous Hugh Hefner while escaping from a bedroom window after banging his entire harem.

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:38 PM)scubadude Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:05 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I was actually surprised that this whole Charlie Sheen thing is as big of a headline as it is. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been the story of the century and everybody would have thought he would be dead before the end of 2016. I'm asking you guys some questions here. If I contracted H.I.V. right now and never had any treatment for it, would it ever turn into A.I.D.S.? Other than getting sick more often and having a weaker immune system, would H.I.V., in its present state, kill me, in and of itself, or cause an illness which would kill me? Would H.I.V., in its present state, shorten my life? I'm being completely serious in asking this.

More than likely yes. Because you more than likely would have gotten it through gay sex or IV drug use. You would also more than likely use illicit substances and lived a lifestyle that further weakend your immune system. This combination would lead to you ultimately succumbing to one of the opportune infections. But... Merenguero who is a heterosexual playboy and only practices insertive vaginal intercourse somehow manages to overcome all odds and get infected this way. He also lives a healthy lifestyle with large amounts of fruits and vegetables, exercise religiously and moderates alcohol use. I would think that while eventually it would cause the definitive measures to call it AIDS (CD4 count and opportune infection) my money would be that Merenguero has about the same odds to die by being shot by a jealous Hugh Hefner while escaping from a bedroom window after banging his entire harem.

Do you know me personally? Jesus.

I do eat a lot of fruits during certain periods, but I prefer just to stick to salmon, steak, grilled chicken, vegetables, and no snacks of any kind. That's when I'm in the best shape and feel the best.

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:31 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:23 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:05 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I was actually surprised that this whole Charlie Sheen thing is as big as a headline as it is. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been the story of the century and everybody would have thought he would be dead before the end of 2016. I'm asking you guys some questions here. If I contracted H.I.V. right now and never had any treatment for it, would it ever turn into A.I.D.S.? Other than getting sick more often and having a weaker immune system, would H.I.V., in its present state, kill me, in and of itself, or cause an illness which would kill me? Would H.I.V., in its present state, shorten my life? I'm being completely serious in asking this.

Modern medicine will keep you alive and AIDS free.

In the gay circles they have robust medicines which are so effective that nobody cares in those circles to get HIV since the drugs will do their job.

In Toronto these drug corps push advertisements heavy at the local feral gay population:



^^^ In 2015 it is easier to manage HIV then it is for somebody to manage daily supplements for bodybuilding.

The downfall is that for hetero men, you will get fleeced as the drugs are expensive, and you still have stigma with the illness. I am not sure how a strait dude can navigate a normal sex life with HIV, you basically could not; and not disclosing to women you fuck, it can send you to jail in many places.

I understand that not only modern medicine, but the medicine of decades past, will keep you alive. My question was more if the virus itself has progressed to the point that you won't die any earlier than you normally would, even without drugs. Twenty years ago, almost to the day, I predicted that H.I.V. would reach the point that it no longer causes A.I.D.S., regardless of what medicine the infected person takes or doesn't take. People thought I was completely off my rocker when I said that. I am trying to see if my prediction has come true yet, or if it will be a few more decades.

There was a report earlier this year that researchers had found a strain of HIV that's actually more virulent

EDIT There are multiple HIV group types and sub-types so I suppose some of them could have also evolved to be less "aggressive". But that would seem to go against normal selective evolutionary pressures...but again not my area of expertise

Quote: (11-18-2015 02:19 PM)johhny Wrote:  

@Zelcorpion,

u mentioned pregnant women would almost all test positive for HIV. I have a very interesting story. When I was in Davao, Philippines, I met this nurse working in a public hospital there. She told me that I should be careful in Davao because HIV rates are supposed to be highest in Philippines there and that I should always use condom. She told me that at her hospital, one time they did random HIV test for 10 pregnant girls, and 8 of then tested positive.

8 out of 10 random pregnant women?

Are you sure she wasn't exaggerating to make her story more interesting? I don't know much about Philippines but that seems unbelievable.

Quote: (11-18-2015 06:01 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2015 02:19 PM)johhny Wrote:  

@Zelcorpion,

u mentioned pregnant women would almost all test positive for HIV. I have a very interesting story. When I was in Davao, Philippines, I met this nurse working in a public hospital there. She told me that I should be careful in Davao because HIV rates are supposed to be highest in Philippines there and that I should always use condom. She told me that at her hospital, one time they did random HIV test for 10 pregnant girls, and 8 of then tested positive.

8 out of 10 random pregnant women?

Are you sure she wasn't exaggerating to make her story more interesting? I don't know much about Philippines but that seems unbelievable.

Depends on what kind of tests are used it's possible to get those results. Actually if you tested the entire population of a country you would be surprised how many positives you get - cancer patients, patients on high dosage of anti-biotics or meds, hemophiliacs, pregnant women, generally sick people who take a lot of drugs.

The first tests they designed were so stringent that 100% of all tested were positive. So what they did was dial down the sensitivity in order to not trigger everyone.

And yes - HIV is a harmless or possibly beneficial retro-virus as I posted the links above. It could be even an anti-cancer virus as there were tests done by which the HIV virus was used to cure people of cancer.

But hey - who trusts 3 nobel price laureates and mutliple highly decorated MDs? They must be all cooks and have gotten crazy, right? Also you should not trust your mind after examining all the data.

I rest my case on that point - I posted sufficient info above and anyone interested can look into it. Afterwards you decide which version is more likely. In our world it pays to second-guess things or you are getting fucked raw without lube, while the ones doing the fucking are just having a laugh as you die within 5 years of AZT or within 10-25 with an AZT derivative.

Turns out The National Enquirer about to bust out a major expose that includes many lie detector tests with up-cuck-Chuck's paid sex partners that they report may be in excess of 150 women many of whom were NOT given legally required full HIV disclosure in the state of Californication. (TNE Notorius for paying for information under sworn affidavits and videoed Lie Detector testing - It is not slander when it is TRUE! )

TNE Editor saying this scandal may well prove bigger than Bill Cosby and that law suits will be numerous as well as the potential for criminal and civil prosecution...

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:05 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I was actually surprised that this whole Charlie Sheen thing is as big of a headline as it is. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been the story of the century and everybody would have thought he would be dead before the end of 2016. I'm asking you guys some questions here. If I contracted H.I.V. right now and never had any treatment for it, would it ever turn into A.I.D.S.? Other than getting sick more often and having a weaker immune system, would H.I.V., in its present state, kill me, in and of itself, or cause an illness which would kill me? Would H.I.V., in its present state, shorten my life? I'm being completely serious in asking this.

Merenguero, there is a good clear description on this website of the stages of HIV progression if untreated:

https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/jus...es-of-hiv/

Basically, the virus, if untreated, proceeds in 3 stages:

1. Acute infection. This starts 2-4 weeks after initial infection, and involves a lot of flu-like symptoms. At this stage the virus is being produced in very high quantities (and the patient is highly infectious) while the immune system is fighting the virus.

2. Latency. Eventually the immune system (temporarily) prevails, and the virus goes into a latent state, during which there are few if any symptoms. This can last for many years (10 years on average).

3. AIDS. If untreated, the latent stage eventually ends and the virus reemerges, causing AIDS. In this case, if untreated, the patient will die of complications typically within a few years.

So the answer to your question is that, yes, if you somehow managed to contract HIV, and for some reason it was never treated, you would eventually develop AIDS and die from it within 10-15 years of infection, on average.

The more important fact, however, is that as a heterosexual white male non-drug user, your odds of contracting HIV are essentially zero, so it should not be high on your list of worries.

I have a doctor in the family. He told me these days is better to have hiv than diabetes.
He ment as a quality of life.

I saw a VICE documentary about a new drug called Trivada (i think) as a prevention drug. If you're like Charlie sheen, might be a good idea.

Quote: (11-18-2015 07:05 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:05 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I was actually surprised that this whole Charlie Sheen thing is as big of a headline as it is. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been the story of the century and everybody would have thought he would be dead before the end of 2016. I'm asking you guys some questions here. If I contracted H.I.V. right now and never had any treatment for it, would it ever turn into A.I.D.S.? Other than getting sick more often and having a weaker immune system, would H.I.V., in its present state, kill me, in and of itself, or cause an illness which would kill me? Would H.I.V., in its present state, shorten my life? I'm being completely serious in asking this.

Merenguero, there is a good clear description on this website of the stages of HIV progression if untreated:

https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/jus...es-of-hiv/

Basically, the virus, if untreated, proceeds in 3 stages:

1. Acute infection. This starts 2-4 weeks after initial infection, and involves a lot of flu-like symptoms. At this stage the virus is being produced in very high quantities (and the patient is highly infectious) while the immune system is fighting the virus.

2. Latency. Eventually the immune system (temporarily) prevails, and the virus goes into a latent state, during which there are few if any symptoms. This can last for many years (10 years on average).

3. AIDS. If untreated, the latent stage eventually ends and the virus reemerges, causing AIDS. In this case, if untreated, the patient will die of complications typically within a few years.

So the answer to your question is that, yes, if you somehow managed to contract HIV, and for some reason it was never treated, you would eventually develop AIDS and die from it within 10-15 years of infection, on average.

The more important fact, however, is that as a heterosexual white male non-drug user, your odds of contracting HIV are essentially zero, so it should not be high on your list of worries.

It's actually the least of my worries. The only time it has crossed my mind in over ten years was that last year, some girl was suggesting that both she and I get tested for it before we had sex. She must have just been the paranoid type. We ended up having sex right away anyway. What confuses me a bit is that about twenty years ago, I remember reading that stuff that on average AIDS developed about ten to fifteen years after being infected with HIV, so I thought the virus would have progressed since that point, since thirty years ago, H.I.V. was basically a quick death sentence.

Quote: (11-18-2015 07:10 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

It's actually the least of my worries. What confuses me a bit is that about twenty years ago, I remember reading that stuff that on average AIDS developed about ten to fifteen years after being infected with HIV, so I thought the virus would have progressed since that point, since thirty years ago, H.I.V. was basically a quick death sentence.

The main reason for this is not that the virus itself has changed (although the virus does evolve and it's probably become less lethal over time). It's more that 30 years ago people were diagnosed when they already had AIDS, and there were no effective treatments. So having an AIDS diagnosis (not merely HIV), and absent an effective treatment, this was indeed a quick death sentence (and a very nasty one, as well).

Nowadays people are diagnosed much earlier because HIV tests are everywhere, and there are anti-retroviral treatments that prolong the latent stage essentially forever. So people can pretty much live a normal life span while being HIV positive.

EDIT: However, it's also true that the virus itself has definitely evolved and is milder than it was 30 years ago, as a result of interaction with immune systems and antiretrovirals. But these changes, while significant, have not yet rendered it actually harmless. This quote from a BBC article illustrates the scale of the changes:

Quote:Quote:

Prof Goulder added: "Twenty years ago the time to Aids was 10 years, but in the last 10 years in Botswana that might have increased to 12.5 years, a sort of incremental change, but in the big picture that is a rapid change.

Quote: (11-18-2015 06:01 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2015 02:19 PM)johhny Wrote:  

@Zelcorpion,

u mentioned pregnant women would almost all test positive for HIV. I have a very interesting story. When I was in Davao, Philippines, I met this nurse working in a public hospital there. She told me that I should be careful in Davao because HIV rates are supposed to be highest in Philippines there and that I should always use condom. She told me that at her hospital, one time they did random HIV test for 10 pregnant girls, and 8 of then tested positive.

8 out of 10 random pregnant women?

Are you sure she wasn't exaggerating to make her story more interesting? I don't know much about Philippines but that seems unbelievable.

Asian doctors like to fear monger to visiting 'monger' men.

Ok so Charlie "Shit for Blood" Sheen has gone to the dark side and reckons it was a filthy tranny gave him the HIV. Spent $1.6 mil in one year on prozzies, drugs and whatever else you're having yourself. Still if you believe the Wolf of Wall street he blew that in a night in Vegas.
Anyhoo back to the HIV. Maybe someone can enlighten me but I've watched my fair share of porn. Every so often we hear of a HIV scare in the business, hetero no homo (though if you look up the number of deaths in the homo section on rame.net there is a staggering difference in the numbers died from AIDs related death).
The guys in the business fuck hundreds and sometimes thousands of women. I'm sure they have contracted other infections but you never hear of many hetero actors contracting HIV. They perform hundreds of anals sometimes with several actresses in the same scene, I'm not supplying links, ha ha, and not a word about the HIV.
Now I have heard all about the testing regimen in the business in the USA but haven't a clue about the European porn scene.
My question is with these hetero actors rawdogging with hundreds and thousands of pornstars they, the vast majority, don't contract HIV. Charlie fucks one tranny.....???? Or maybe he was up to his neck in faux chicks.....with dicks?????

Quote: (11-18-2015 06:01 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2015 02:19 PM)johhny Wrote:  

@Zelcorpion,

u mentioned pregnant women would almost all test positive for HIV. I have a very interesting story. When I was in Davao, Philippines, I met this nurse working in a public hospital there. She told me that I should be careful in Davao because HIV rates are supposed to be highest in Philippines there and that I should always use condom. She told me that at her hospital, one time they did random HIV test for 10 pregnant girls, and 8 of then tested positive.

8 out of 10 random pregnant women?

Are you sure she wasn't exaggerating to make her story more interesting? I don't know much about Philippines but that seems unbelievable.

I am not 100% sure, but it didnt seem like she was exaggerating.

Wow, the plot thickens:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...caine.html

Thread needs to be retitled Charlie Sheen Comes Out HIV+

Jesus Rudebwoy -it indeed does.

Quote: (11-16-2015 01:19 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

If it's Charlie Sheen then I give a fuck because that would mean that straight men can get AIDS.

Ah ha, so a degenerate junkie libertine like Sheen has never taken a dick in the ass or a less than sterile needle in the arm. Seems legit. How quick everyone is, even here of all places, to throw aside their prior wisdom and convictions and jump onto the narrative at a single shady alleged counter-case. I'd say Sheen is likely one of the bisexual bridges of pestilence Roosh warned about.
http://www.returnofkings.com/39739/male-...lth-threat

Quote: (11-18-2015 06:01 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

8 out of 10 random pregnant women?

Are you sure she wasn't exaggerating to make her story more interesting? I don't know much about Philippines but that seems unbelievable.

For the Philippines, I'd be more inclined to believe she had actually mistakenly given them pregnancy tests, and still gotten 20% wrong.

It was too easy to think he just did needle drugs, but then you realize that it is very rare for people to shoot shit up these days, this isn't the 80's or 90's.

Heroin usage has been in steep decline as you get get way better other shit to fuck you up, and then there is always meth...

I casually just assumed Sheen was into hardcore drugs, but it turns out he is just like evrey other HIV case and is a part-time fag.

The the story does a 180 now. So I do believe he came out with the story to fend off women extorting him, that is what women do; but its his own fault living as a feral animal and spraying and preying all around.

At first, and me included, most just brushing this off as a dude who played with to much fire, to much of a bad dude, spending to much time in the gutter with dirty drugs and skanks. He is now just a typical ferral bi-sexual where this type of behavior is the norm in their world.