Hi,

I know most of you fellows are younger, and live in or near an urban area, but I thought I would share some thoughts on dating at middle age.

1: Most women, by the time they hit their mid forties, are looking and acting like Rosie O'Donnell: fat, obnoxious, sarcastic, and anything but feminine. And the ones who don't, think they are perfect, since they are constantly reminded by everyone around them.

2: Many single women in their mid fifties are so wrapped up in their kid's lives that they no longer see themselves as a sensuous creature. They call their kids several times a day, texting them also. It is like the umbilical cord is still connected.

3: Menopause has or is knocking on the door, meaning the sex drive is tanking. Many prefer spending time with GFs than meeting a nice man.

4: Many middle-aged women are making themselves look worse by getting tattoos and piercings. It is like they want to relive their teenage years with their teenage daughters. BIG TURNOFF!!!

I am still looking, but, sad to say, I have not gone out with a woman in the last 2 or 3 years that I find attractive sexually. The women I see that are appealing to me are all married or have a mental illness, it seems, and I really don't want to have to take a BONER PILL to make up for a lack of physical attraction. I cannot fake a hard-on!!!

Since I live in such a remote area, I have signed up for a dating service out of a city about an hour away. I have met four women through this service, and while they were very successful professionally, they have lost their feminine appeal.

Should I go to the Ukraine or Russia and check out the scene there? At least the women there dress nice and take care in their appearance. I have also thought of dating 5-10 years younger than me, but my lifestyle allows me to travel and do things that don't mesh with a woman with a full time job.

To you younger guys: The dating scene changes as we get older, and I have found that sex is empty without a mental connection with the lover.

If that's your real name I strongly suggest you edit it out.

Quote: (11-03-2015 07:24 PM)bmw633 Wrote:  

Should I go to the Ukraine or Russia and check out the scene there?

It might of course be a good idea, but, it depends on the money you have to invest on this, your level (or lack of) in Russian language, your game and looks...

But you do sound like you have nothing to lose, so, yes, I'd give it a try if I were you... just be sure you can afford it. Also, why not consider Latin America or DR?

Yeah bud, you've got an hour window to edit posts, no reason for real names.

Quote: (11-03-2015 07:35 PM)Engineer Wrote:  

Yeah bud, you've got an hour window to edit posts, no reason for real names.

Hopefully Roosh will make an exception for an old-timer.

OP, we have an Over 40 thread for old-timer's like us. Check it out.

thread-30.html

1. Go to the gym, lift weights, get fit.
2. Do not use dating services as these only attract the worst kind of women.
3. Buy a copy of "Day Bang" by Roosh and read it. Twice.
4. Approach 100 women in shopping malls, libraries, parks, at bus stops, at the unemployment office, at a ballroom dance class you attend...anywhere. If there are none in your area, go each day to a place where there are women. Do this at least for 1 hour each day. Only approach those who make your dick move (in your case probably those who are in the 25 to 40 age bracket). Do not let anyone ever make you feel strange or guilty about the age difference. Act like a man.
5. Get numbers, schedule dates, escalate, bang.
6. Report back in 3 to 8 months with your conquests.

I don't date women my own age. I stay in shape, earn good money, am charming, and date women in their 30's. It's not that hard. And many women in their 30's are still bangable, especially in urban areas where there is lots of competition and they take care of themselves.

Solution - don't date women your own age. My friends and I are ten years younger than you, dating girls half our age.

Try a trip to the Phillippines. I saw plenty of retired guys there, hand in hand with under 25 year old women.

to quote Marlon Brando in "Apocalypse Now"...

Trying to get cute under - 27 women without kids in USA when NFOFF (non-famous over fifty-five)

... The horror, the HORROR..

If that's what you want, default country should forevermore be a NON-first world country.

I've found my age preference in women is not changing at all.

Last nights menu, under 90 lbs, under 22 but over 18 of course.

Quote: (11-03-2015 07:24 PM)bmw633 Wrote:  

I really don't want to have to take a BONER PILL to make up for a lack of physical attraction. I cannot fake a hard-on!!!

I really think this is a large part of the market for these kinds of meds. I'm in my late 40s and sure, I'm not able to do multi-pop shot marathons all night like I did twenty years ago, but there's no trouble getting the wood with the right incentive.

Younger guys who take these things thinking it will make them extra hard are wasting their money - they are meant for old fat guys with crappy circulation.

Keep yourself in shape (weights and adequate cardio) and you shouldn't need these pills. Oh, and read more ROK articles, hang around this forum a bit and learn game. Don't just buy a plane ticket somewhere and think things will instantly change once you're on the ground. Like anything else, do your research and practice.

Quote: (11-04-2015 09:50 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

Younger guys who take these things thinking it will make them extra hard are wasting their money - they are meant for old fat guys with crappy circulation.

These pills are mostly meant for older guys with wives who aged horribly and/or got fat....or young guys hooking up with girls that don't pass their boner test.
If you are a man and have a good looking 18 to 25 year old girl in front of you, you will get hard until age 70 (and possibly beyond).
Roissy/Heartiste said it best:

"It’s Not Erectile Dysfunction, It’s Erectile Discrimination"


https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/05/...imination/


Always worth re-reading, when you can't get hard for a certain woman.

^true, and I should specify, the only actual mechanism of action the pills offer is to improve circulation to small blood vessels, which guys with crappy circulation would have trouble accomplishing, doubly so when faced with a fat naked old broad.

I never tried it when I was younger to see if it would give me a stiff one when faced with a fattie, but then again I always assiduously avoid being in those situations.

As I said over on this thread, those fab chicks that come out of the woodwork when you're 23 don't magically reappear when you're 43. Nor are they there at 53, as this thread shows.

I found two types of women: The bitter and the insane. The bitter are divorced; the insane stayed single too long.

This thread does a good job of breaking down the details about these women's lives: Rosie O'Donnell personalities and bodies, obsessed with their kids, misguided attempts at recapturing their youth, etc. And their obsession with their boring, cliche "girlfriends" is something I don't get. It's as if they've revered to being middle schoolers.

I might have gotten into such details in my own post, but I have a weak stomach and a high sense of shame.

My feeling was that I could run into a woman I knew from back in the day because we'd have shared history and maybe could transcend all the bullshit. But this doesn't seem to be happening, because the bitter/insane dichotomy still applies.

But...I'm counting on some of the more science-oriented guys here to invent time travel, so all hope is not lost. Or is it?

Quote: (11-04-2015 10:25 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I found two types of women: The bitter and the insane. The bitter are divorced; the insane stayed single too long.

You just summed up every woman over 30 who does online dating. This needs to be chiseled on a granite slab somewhere.

I'm nearly 50, you could hire a young cleaner, i have a great pic of my cleaner (22yo) cleaning the windows in the nude..(can you post nudes here?)

Alternatively go to some cheap place like Brazil and import a young gf.

Tell all women your 38. I've been in my 30s for 20 years.

I haven't banged a woman over 35 in 10 years, once they get over that age i'm just not interested. I don't know where you live but the world is full of desperate young beauties looking to play the marriage game, and strip you of everything you own.

Get the snip, get kool, act like your the sensitive caring type looking for a wife ..then play them at their own game, tell them you're looking for someone to spend your life with, all that baloney,then get a new woman every two months.

If you live in the middle of nowhere, ask yourself, is that where you want to spend the rest of your days, alone?, looking out the window, .. sell the house and move to Budapest.

I am also in my mid 50's and have varied experience with dating women of my age range. I will say that my experience with women in their early 50's to late 50's has not been good. Bitter divorcees, focused on their children or grandchildren, emotional wack-jobs, etc. I have had very good luck with women between 44-49. At this age, they have not hit menopause and can still be pretty adventurous. I have found that, with some good game, they get very adventurous. Although I am certainly envious of the guys here dating girls in their 20's and 30's, that age group does not work for me. We just don't have much in common to talk about and are generally interested in different things. I think you said it in your post; at this age, sex with an established connection is better than a SNL or ONS. I like to think of it as fucking the ten different personalities that are in every woman's head. At least three times.

Although I have been very successful with online dating, being truthful about my age, and my hair giving way to grey rather than "salt and pepper", gives online women an automatic reason to reject you. I choose to continue using online dating because it fits my schedule. I manage two divisions for my company, so there are a lot of demands on my time. I enjoy the challenges, triumphs, and rewards of my work, so it remains my primary focus. I tend to keep women as an accessory to my life, not the main focus as they were when I was much younger. Presumably, at our age, you have reached a level of success in your chosen field of endeavor as well. Leaving here for Brasil, Eastern Europe, or Russia is not in the cards for me. So, I get better at my online game and have gotten very good at the first meet, first date game. I find that the women I want to spend time with are smart enough to not fall for the typical PUA stuff. Sure, there is a wealth of golden information here in the Roosh forum that I have incorporated into my game, but the women I'm interested in are typically more sophisticated and are as capable at recognizing psychological manipulation as they are at wielding it.

Instead, I engage them on an intellectual level. During our first meet over a glass of wine, we have some witty banter. If she is not able to catch the subtlety of some of my humor, then I can be pretty sure she is not smart enough to keep up with me. I have certainly met my share of SIF's and women who have lied about their age. I consider those things to simply be part of the cost of being in the game. I have found it much easier to deal with women once I accepted the following ideas. These are distilled from much of what I read here and elsewhere.

1. They're all F'NG crazy. At some point, they're going to act like it. Don't get upset by it, they're just being a woman.
2. There are no exceptions to #1.
3. If you think you have found the exception to #1, double check because it is probably a guy in drag

A few others that have served me well over the last few years;

- make sure she cums first
- always "go for the record". In other words, make her cum until she can't anymore. I like to think of it as making her forget how to walk. I haven't succeeded in making one forget yet, but I have enjoyed making more than a few stumble and hold the wall for support when they got up out of bed.
- Push the envelope on new experiences in and out of the bedroom
- don't be afraid to politely put her in her place. Recently, my current woman was busting my balls about something minor while we were carrying dinner to the table. I stopped walking, paused talking for dramatic effect, and said "you're getting laid well and regularly, you should have no complaints." then I continued on past her to the dinner table. She followed, sat down and was silent. After a moment, she turned to me and said "I don't believe you just said that to me, but it's true. I have no complaints." There hasn't been an argument since. The point of the story is that I knew it was a dick thing to say and I was perfectly OK if she chose to be huffy and walk out after I said it.

I'm not sure that any of this helps you in your particular situation, but at least you know that there are other mid-50's guys in the boat with you.

These have been very good observations. I met this gal around my age the other day, referred to me by a local dating service. Speaking to her on the phone, she sent me a photo that didn't look too bad, and suggested we meet at a local festival in a nearby town. Around my age, she drank two beers before noon, and made sure she had a bunch of GFs around. We spoke about ten minutes before she started chatting with her GFs. She made a big deal out of my drinking a Sprite, trying to make out that something was wrong about me not being an alcoholic. Her hair was Elvis Presley Jet Black, with this scarf wrapped around her head, the kind women use when they are on Chemo, 30 pounds OW, and her skin looked like she was rode hard and put up wet. I tolerated her for about an hour before I split. Whoever thought we might be a good match must have been smoking crack!!!

Another gal is coming over today. The plan is to either go out in one of my boats, ride around on motorscooters, or take a spin in my Corvette. I was also introduced to her through this dating service, and she is financially secure, very nice, but is not registerring very high on the Willy-meter. Plainer looking than what I have been used to, I wanted to give her another try to see if I feel any attraction. Being on disability with chronic pain has been a stumbling block to meeting women that are up to my standards. The women I have met seem turned off that I am not still working a 9-5 job, and when asked why I am not working, I tell the truth. Maybe I should tell them I had done well enough financially that I decided to retire early and manage my investments.

Have you guys noticed the women our age who have are trying to relive their teenage years by getting piercings, tattoos, etc., and try to act like their daughters? I have banged some young gals with small tattoos, but am really turned off by the sight of them. I went to Jamaica a few years ago, and you could easily tell the American women from the European women by their appearance. The American women were tattooed, piercings everywhere, and poorly dressed. The European women were well dressed, and had no body art. Maybe I should move there.

^seen those same observations about tattoos, yes. Just sad. But western Europe isn't far behind in many ways.

I visited Rome recently, saw the ruins and museums - reliving the history classes from middle school. This time though, I was frightened senseless by the parallels. The collapse of the west is upon us.

As for your disability, I suggest you frame it as a passive stream of income from a good investment. You need not tell her the investment was getting injured or whatever it was - money is money. But get your frame together and be active in some aspect that at least resembles business or productivity.

Quote: (11-04-2015 12:47 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

Quote: (11-04-2015 10:25 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I found two types of women: The bitter and the insane. The bitter are divorced; the insane stayed single too long.

You just summed up every woman over 30 who does online dating. This needs to be chiseled on a granite slab somewhere.

I think I hooked up with a hybrid here: insane and divorced. I don't detect the bitterness.

Quote: (11-08-2015 09:50 AM)bmw633 Wrote:  

These have been very good observations. I met this gal around my age the other day, referred to me by a local dating service. Speaking to her on the phone, she sent me a photo that didn't look too bad, and suggested we meet at a local festival in a nearby town. Around my age, she drank two beers before noon, and made sure she had a bunch of GFs around. We spoke about ten minutes before she started chatting with her GFs. She made a big deal out of my drinking a Sprite, trying to make out that something was wrong about me not being an alcoholic. Her hair was Elvis Presley Jet Black, with this scarf wrapped around her head, the kind women use when they are on Chemo, 30 pounds OW, and her skin looked like she was rode hard and put up wet. I tolerated her for about an hour before I split. Whoever thought we might be a good match must have been smoking crack!!!

Another gal is coming over today. The plan is to either go out in one of my boats, ride around on motorscooters, or take a spin in my Corvette. I was also introduced to her through this dating service, and she is financially secure, very nice, but is not registerring very high on the Willy-meter. Plainer looking than what I have been used to, I wanted to give her another try to see if I feel any attraction. Being on disability with chronic pain has been a stumbling block to meeting women that are up to my standards. The women I have met seem turned off that I am not still working a 9-5 job, and when asked why I am not working, I tell the truth. Maybe I should tell them I had done well enough financially that I decided to retire early and manage my investments.

Have you guys noticed the women our age who have are trying to relive their teenage years by getting piercings, tattoos, etc., and try to act like their daughters? I have banged some young gals with small tattoos, but am really turned off by the sight of them. I went to Jamaica a few years ago, and you could easily tell the American women from the European women by their appearance. The American women were tattooed, piercings everywhere, and poorly dressed. The European women were well dressed, and had no body art. Maybe I should move there.

Three things:

1) In my opinion you are investing way too much time in women you are not attracted to. That chemo-patient-looking woman--why didn't you walk away when you saw her? Or if there's some social-circle reason not to be rude, make an excuse as soon as you can or use her group as a social base to meet other people at the event. A trip out on a boat or an afternoon riding motor scooters is way too much time invested for a woman you don't know you are attracted to.

2) As others have said, I hope you know that even if you cannot work you have to have something going on--for your own mental health as well as to appeal to women. I don't know what your field was, but can you get involved in teaching whatever you used to do, like at a local community college?

3) Your disability payments are a location-independent income stream--something lots of guys dream about. And of course that money is worth more in a poorer society where the cost of living is lower. You sound like a prime candidate for relocation.

I personally can't speak for eastern Europe, but certain parts of Western Europe are way better than the U.S. for older women. Older women there know how to be elegant and sexual in the way they dress and act. When I was in my 20s living in Europe, I noticed myself being turned on by certain Euro women in their 40s and 50s. In France, I actually find women in their 30s-early 40s sexier than most of the the very young women in the 18-22 range.

Western European women who are single also tend to be more independent than American women, this tends to make them less insane and more tolerable. The brand of feminism in the US tells women they are better than men. The European brand of feminism tells women they are equal but different than men. This makes a huge difference in woman's femininity and how they act around men. For one thing, they aren't always competing.

Also, older guys dating younger women is not taboo in most of Europe. It is very normal to see a 40+ guy with a girl in her 20s. There is little to no shame for a girl who likes older men there. In most Euro countries there's less slut shaming too.

Finally, Western European education systems don't allow for the same level of ignorance we get in the U.S., so most people are at least capable of carrying on a somewhat intelligent conversation.

As SlickyBoy said, some of this might be changing with younger generations, but 30+ women in Europe are relatively unaffected and your average 20 something girl there is still way cooler than your average 20 something girl here.

I also would consider the Philippines. There are literally millions of hot women in their 20s-40s dying to meet a guy like you there.

Read the entire Philippines thread. Then if you want a girl to settle down with, find a nice one but be sure to spend a couple of years hanging out with her to get a feel for whether she will ever screw you over. Write down a plan for how you will figure this out and warning signs to look for. Keep looking at the plan to remind yourself and check yourself in case you are being manipulated. If she passes your tests and you want to bring her back to the U.S., then by all means bring her back with a prenup.

Although you need to be careful, there are some very sweet women in the Philippines who are 500X better than most American women.

Quote: (11-08-2015 10:53 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

I also would consider the Philippines. There are literally millions of hot women in their 20s-40s dying to meet a guy like you there.

Read the entire Philippines thread. Then if you want a girl to settle down with, find a nice one but be sure to spend a couple of years hanging out with her to get a feel for whether she will ever screw you over. Write down a plan for how you will figure this out and warning signs to look for. Keep looking at the plan to remind yourself and check yourself in case you are being manipulated. If she passes your tests and you want to bring her back to the U.S., then by all means bring her back with a prenup.

Although you need to be careful, there are some very sweet women in the Philippines who are 500X better than most American women.

I have a friend who is living in Thailand, so if I were to travel to Asia, I think that would be my destination. He said he would only date Thai women. He said they really treat him well.

I went out some with a Phillipino nurse who was living in an apartment upstairs from me when I was attending college. Very nice looking, tight body, but wouldn't put out after numerous tries. I finally gave up.

Quote: (11-08-2015 11:52 AM)bmw633 Wrote:  

I went out some with a Phillipino nurse who was living in an apartment upstairs from me when I was attending college. Very nice looking, tight body, but wouldn't put out after numerous tries. I finally gave up.

You won't have that problem when you're at the source.