Quote: (09-22-2015 07:19 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

The viability of their business may be the least of these guys' worries. Some of the Year Zero scum that inhabit that lovely "community" are now trying to frame Owens for a false rape accusation for supposedly fucking some woman in a hospital who was medicated and thus "unable to consent". Look at this charming comment thread from the original blog post:

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"A's mom"
September 19, 2015 at 7:13 pm

Jacob, you mentioned in your podcast that you had sex with my daughter,while she was medicated, while in the hospital.. Your words are she could not have consented due to her medicated state.
One question- do you have a lawyer?
Unforgivable.

Lauren
September 19, 2015 at 11:21 pm

Please sue this asshole

A.M
September 19, 2015 at 11:33 pm

A’s mom, i do not know the details of the particular podcast you are referring to. but if you would like advice on what can legally be done about nonconsesual sex contact Our Voice http://www.ourvoicenc.org/

J.B.
September 19, 2015 at 11:52 pm

Please let us all know how we may assist in filing of charges against your daughter’s rapist. If you’d like to create a separate email account in which you could be reached and all resources could be offered, that would be wonderful.

Teleri
September 20, 2015 at 12:49 am

Fabulous. That’s a CRIMINAL charge BTW – not a civil suit. Could land his butt in JAIL

E
September 20, 2015 at 12:55 am

This fucking MOTHERFUCKER

b
September 20, 2015 at 5:36 am

make sure you get a recording/copy of that podcast…you go after him! i’m not listening to any of them but these guys are sick…

S.C.
September 20, 2015 at 8:39 am

A’s mom, Our Voice is the place to go. I’m so sorry to hear this, and it’s exactly why I didn’t listen to the podcasts. As a victim, just reading your description had me in tears. I know it’s scary as a mom to hear that this happened to your daughter when she was so vulnerable. I hope that she goes to the authority and takes his ass down! In the meantime, know that you have the support of Asheville behind you!

megan
September 20, 2015 at 10:43 am

Oh I hope his ass ends up in prison…I’m a rape survivor…I’m behind you 100%…Our Voice is excellent by the way! Grateful for the services they provide to our community.
I’d like to link to that particular podcast…because apparently some of my “friends” dont see the crime in their behavior…where can I find the podcast?

AC
September 20, 2015 at 11:15 am

A’s mom – “A” should go talk to the sex crimes detectives at Asheville Police Department. That is rape and he should be charged. I’m sorry that this has happened to your daughter. I can’t even imagine. I hope this scum is held accountable for his actions.

Jame
September 20, 2015 at 12:19 pm

A’s mom, please let A know that she’s getting nothing but sympathy. We’re with you and her and so very sorry this happened. I hope there is justice to be had.

Ash
September 21, 2015 at 5:08 pm

A’s mom, we are all behind you! Please take legal action against this scum!

Martha Waggoner
September 22, 2015 at 1:30 pm

to A’s mom: would you call me at 919-510-8937? I’m interested in talking with you for a possible story.

Note that "Our Voice" -- the SJW organization these harridans are referring "A's Mom" to to get the witch hunt going -- is also the one that Rutledge and Owens, in their desperation, later tried to donate to, and which rejected their donation.

All of this is happening because of their abject apology and show of weakness. The sharks are smelling blood in the water. Here is what they should have said, in its entirety:

We're young players, rakes, and ne'er do wells -- you want us to talk like prudes? This is our version of girls' talk and it's a free country.

If you don't like it, don't patronize our place -- but don't pretend you don't talk trash about the dicks you ride.

If they'd said just that, nothing more -- not one word of regret or apology -- they would have ridden out the storm, kept their coffee shop, and probably fucked more and better pussy than before. Instead, one of these dudes may actually end up doing time if he doesn't have a very good lawyer. Unreal.

Almost all of these women are too fat to be riding any dicks. Agreed with the rest. They played this all wrong. What exactly is the endgame of the protesters? They are trying to get people to stop buying coffee there because the owners had sex with their customers and talked about it on the internet?

One of them is apparently getting accused of having sex with a chick while she is in a coma? And he talked about it on a podcast? Oh man, dude is too dumb for this lifestyle. Does anyone have their podcast link?

We should probably Shitlord this deal and keep the shop open.

Why are those clowns not here to speak?

Quote: (09-22-2015 09:11 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

One of them is apparently getting accused of having sex with a chick while she is in a coma? And he talked about it on a podcast? Oh man, dude is too dumb for this lifestyle.

This is getting back to my point about choosing your allies wisely.

Any time Alpha Men gather into tribes that have the perception of being an Outlaw Culture - bikers; ex-military men; hardcore bodybuilders; players - they will target the attention of weaker Beta men who want to possess the cachet of belonging to that tribe without earning it.

So whilst my natural instinct when in proximity to a gang is to hang back and let myself be observed, judged, and, if respected, invited in, these guys tend to kick the door in, try to force everyone to like them, have their own ideas about what the tribe should be, and generally behaviour in a manner suggesting an exaggerated version of what they believe the tribe is.

Wannabes. Try-hards. Guys with experience in these sort of groups will know what I mean. These are the guys whom always cause trouble for the tribe; who shine an unwanted spotlight on their activities; whom always escalate bad situations forcing the tribe to act to protect them, whilst, conversely, having zero loyalty to the tribe when the repercussions of their actions threaten their own safety. Basically, they're bitches and snitches.

Identifying them is much easier with experience / jadedness. Unfortunately, they're usually brought in by a friend or family member who so desperately wants to believe in the best of them that they can't see them for what they are.

In this situation, the Beta Playacted as what he believed an Alpha to be: an emotionally uncaring guy who just uses unconscious women as fuckholes even when they're in hospital, because, apparently, in his world the expression 'Starfish' to describe a dead root doesn't exist. Hell, look at the title of this newspaper article: Starfish 101: when your partner's a dud in the sack.

I'd see this exaggerated attitude a lot from Virtue Signalling Progressive Goony Bearded guys back when I used Facebook. I'd voice some healthy scepticism for female behaviour, then they'd message me privately with something that suggested they truly hate women, believing their misogyny was in any way related to my ability to Speak Girl: to call them on their bullshit in a teasing way where they get the heightened emotional spike of feeling teased, but don't end up hating me because they grudgingly-recognise my knowledge comes out of experience with women.

It doesn't matter that this guy's story was most likely-that of an unreliable narrator - I don't see anyone could get their cock into an unresponsive, unlubed, ill woman, particularly given the 'drying up' effect of opiates on a woman - the damage is done: he's handed his opponents a smoking gun.

The woman in question isn't going to back up his story if it was consensual, because she is highly-unlikely to publicly-admit to the community she was 'fooled' by such an obvious, creepy douchebag. I mean, all women are smart enough to spot a player, aren't they? Therefore: it was rape!

This Bullshit Magnet ability is the danger of Paper Alphas to any tribe, and why we're lucky he wasn't part of ours.

Quote: (09-22-2015 09:11 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

One of them is apparently getting accused of having sex with a chick while she is in a coma? And he talked about it on a podcast? Oh man, dude is too dumb for this lifestyle. Does anyone have their podcast link?

They took down their website and podcasts. Here is a a webarchive (found in one of Roosh's links on page 2) of his blog post detailing all of his bangs from 2013-2015. There are several "A"s in the list but this sounds like the one referenced in the above post (because he mentions podcast):

40. A. – Cold Approach – 8/7/7 – Rejection
The A. we’ve discussed on the podcast. Mid-twenties, smart, feminine, and incredibly sexy. She’d just gotten out of her only long term relationship when I met her at a breakfast joint. We fucked a few times but I got needy and acted incongruently, and she eventually told me to fuck off. She herself said she’d probably end up an old cat lady, but I don’t think that’s the case. She’ll end up with some chisel-jawed doctor and probably be reasonably happy.

I haven't read all of the posts but my guess is "A" that he banged in the hospital was someone he was already sleeping with. It is highly unlikely that he was cruising the ICU ward looking to pick up his coma notch. In his breakdowns he mentions how/where he met all of the chicks and none of the "A" posts mention meeting in a hospital.

The "mom of A" sounds like she might be trying to stir up the hornets nest with her comment about him sleeping with her daughter in the hospital. She succeeded. This dumb fuck went from banging hot chicks to bending over for the SJW mafia to walking himself right into a possible rape charge. His PUA career did not go in the direction he was hoping.

Quote: (09-22-2015 11:29 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Wannabes. Try-hards. Guys with experience in these sort of groups will know what I mean. These are the guys whom always cause trouble for the tribe; who shine an unwanted spotlight on their activities; whom always escalate bad situations forcing the tribe to act to protect them, whilst, conversely, having zero loyalty to the tribe when the repercussions of their actions threaten their own safety. Basically, they're bitches and snitches.

Nailed. Fake alphas, betas (boys) taking the short cut.

Quote: (09-22-2015 11:29 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Quote: (09-22-2015 09:11 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

One of them is apparently getting accused of having sex with a chick while she is in a coma? And he talked about it on a podcast? Oh man, dude is too dumb for this lifestyle.

This is getting back to my point about choosing your allies wisely.

Any time Alpha Men gather into tribes that have the perception of being an Outlaw Culture - bikers; ex-military men; hardcore bodybuilders; players - they will target the attention of weaker Beta men who want to possess the cachet of belonging to that tribe without earning it.

So whilst my natural instinct when in proximity to a gang is to hang back and let myself be observed, judged, and, if respected, invited in, these guys tend to kick the door in, try to force everyone to like them, have their own ideas about what the tribe should be, and generally behaviour in a manner suggesting an exaggerated version of what they believe the tribe is.

Wannabes. Try-hards. Guys with experience in these sort of groups will know what I mean. These are the guys whom always cause trouble for the tribe; who shine an unwanted spotlight on their activities; whom always escalate bad situations forcing the tribe to act to protect them, whilst, conversely, having zero loyalty to the tribe when the repercussions of their actions threaten their own safety. Basically, they're bitches and snitches.

So basically you're saying that these guys are cut from the same cloth as the Iron Order?

Business assets are up for sale. It appears unlikely that they will reopen:

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The now controversial coffee shop is for sale, we learned today. Protesters had resumed their stance outside, offering coffee and doughnuts to passersby.

“The coffee shop is indeed for sale,” one of the parties who wishes to be unnamed, told us. “At this point, it is more selling the assets than the business itself.”

The two individuals who had arrived at the coffee shop late this morning shared that they also own other coffee stores, and are interested in the cold brew equipment.

http://ashevilleblog.com/waking-life-espresso-for-sale/

Will they now picket any business that uses the tainted "cold brew equipment?"

Quote: (09-23-2015 03:06 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Business assets are up for sale. It appears unlikely that they will reopen:

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The now controversial coffee shop is for sale, we learned today. Protesters had resumed their stance outside, offering coffee and doughnuts to passersby.

“The coffee shop is indeed for sale,” one of the parties who wishes to be unnamed, told us. “At this point, it is more selling the assets than the business itself.”

http://ashevilleblog.com/waking-life-espresso-for-sale/

Meaning that a bunch of useless, bored and non-productive leftists, destroyed the livelihood of 2 industrious, working men. And the media call that a victory...?

For the record, here is the link to the full "hospital" podcast where Owens discusses his relationship with "A" (it's only 10 minutes so as annoying as these dudes' patter is, one can just about get through it):

http://ashevilleblog.com/wp-content/uplo...alFull.mp3

The story as actually told has absolutely nothing to do with the idea of Owens "taking advantage" of a woman in an unconscious state. Instead, he was spending days and nights with this woman in the hospital, taking care of her at her request, being a "beta" by his own admission. And the sexual act discussed took place in the shower, so she could not possibly have been knocked out or unconscious at that time.

In short -- and as always -- this is just a case of a monstrous hag ("A's mom") slandering an innocent man, twisting his own words, and trying to destroy his life and reputation as much as it is within her power. After listening to the podcast, however, I strongly doubt this will ever be prosecuted or even investigated.

^ Thank fuck he wasn't that stupid, then. Seen too many idiots on that r/theredpill site tell over-the-top stories expecting applause, and, getting it. I suspect Little Dark is over there now.

Still, major lapses in their judgement to begin with though, and he still caved, so my thoughts stand.

Quote: (09-23-2015 05:06 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

In short -- and as always -- this is just a case of a monstrous hag ("A's mom") slandering an innocent man, twisting his own words, and trying to destroy his life and reputation as much as it is within her power. After listening to the podcast, however, I strongly doubt this will ever be prosecuted or even investigated.

As to the fake outrage biddy, you just know this is an unattractive (old / fat / ugly) one, just like the other professional 'victims' of harassment, fake rape, etc..

Let us recite Roosh's prayer:

LORD, save me from the narcissistic rage of unfeminine women.

Shame. They folded like a cheap lawn chair.

Checked in specifically to see what was being said about this story, and as usual, the board doesn't disappoint.

The moment I heard about these guys apologizing - and especially after seeing some of the tweets they posted - my hackles went up. Goddamned infiltrators. My knowledge of the Manosphere is by no means encyclopedic, but I'm pretty familiar with most of the names; how did I not know these guys?

Then there were their tweets: I know a thing or two about being quoted out of context, but they still rubbed me the wrong way. Bragging. Trying too hard. Acting like assholes. And Hell, I'll say it - dehumanizing women as a group (as opposed to having an extremely low opinion of your AVERAGE woman); Matt Forney is utterly brilliant at trolling feminists, not despite, but BECAUSE he knows how to insert the humorous subtext. He doesn't just send naked vitriol; he brews a potent acid that only burns witches.

So here are these guys, representin' the Manosphere/Game community, and now they're bending over for a bunch of SJWs - and making the rest of us look like idiots in the process. It's like catching some suburbanite wearing Crip colours and acting like a queer.

Anonymous Bosch nailed it:

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So whilst my natural instinct when in proximity to a gang is to hang back and let myself be observed, judged, and, if respected, invited in, these guys tend to kick the door in, try to force everyone to like them, have their own ideas about what the tribe should be, and generally behaviour in a manner suggesting an exaggerated version of what they believe the tribe is.

I'm honoured to be a part of this community, and to have received the respect and trust of other men within it; but I don't presume upon it, and I sure as fuck don't go around calling myself "Alpha".

Guys like this are worms; they're snakes; they're nothing but Leftoids at the core. They're the equivalent of a bunch of douchebags at the bar, wearing sports jersies and pretending to be as badass as the men whose shirts they wear, who'll try to lean on you, but turn turtle the moment you stand up to them.

Pathetic and disgusting. They're not allies; and I have no more tears to cry for those who hoist themselves on their own petard. I save my charity for those who deserve it. Men and women of honour, decency, and integrity who need my support.

Not these losers.

Quote: (09-24-2015 12:16 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

Checked in specifically to see what was being said about this story, and as usual, the board doesn't disappoint.

The moment I heard about these guys apologizing - and especially after seeing some of the tweets they posted - my hackles went up. Goddamned infiltrators. My knowledge of the Manosphere is by no means encyclopedic, but I'm pretty familiar with most of the names; how did I not know these guys?

Then there were their tweets: I know a thing or two about being quoted out of context, but they still rubbed me the wrong way. Bragging. Trying too hard. Acting like assholes. And Hell, I'll say it - dehumanizing women as a group (as opposed to having an extremely low opinion of your AVERAGE woman); Matt Forney is utterly brilliant at trolling feminists, not despite, but BECAUSE he knows how to insert the humorous subtext. He doesn't just send naked vitriol; he brews a potent acid that only burns witches.

So here are these guys, representin' the Manosphere/Game community, and now they're bending over for a bunch of SJWs - and making the rest of us look like idiots in the process. It's like catching some suburbanite wearing Crip colours and acting like a queer.

Anonymous Bosch nailed it:

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So whilst my natural instinct when in proximity to a gang is to hang back and let myself be observed, judged, and, if respected, invited in, these guys tend to kick the door in, try to force everyone to like them, have their own ideas about what the tribe should be, and generally behaviour in a manner suggesting an exaggerated version of what they believe the tribe is.

I'm honoured to be a part of this community, and to have received the respect and trust of other men within it; but I don't presume upon it, and I sure as fuck don't go around calling myself "Alpha".

Guys like this are worms; they're snakes; they're nothing but Leftoids at the core. They're the equivalent of a bunch of douchebags at the bar, wearing sports jersies and pretending to be as badass as the men whose shirts they wear, who'll try to lean on you, but turn turtle the moment you stand up to them.

Pathetic and disgusting. They're not allies; and I have no more tears to cry for those who hoist themselves on their own petard. I save my charity for those who deserve it. Men and women of honour, decency, and integrity who need my support.

Not these losers.

Eh, I don't even seem them as losers. They didn't really deserve to have their business destroyed over nothing. They didn't have great game I guess. They had sex with women and talked about it on a podcast, including some customers, the uglier customers or the girls fatass mothers started picketing because they openly talked about dating women and having sex with the better looking customers?

Pretty simple jealousy good lord.

Alpha doesn't need to draw excessive attention to itself. It just is.

Youthful posturing deepens into an easy, comfortable self-confidence with the gaining of maturity and a strengthening of personal resilience.

Obviously, in some cultures, peacocking, competition and hustling is a big part of the male communities, but, those cultures also impose a strong message of both familial respect and loyalty to the tribe above self-interest. Even if you succeed, you're expected to remember your roots.

Quote: (09-24-2015 12:29 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

Eh, I don't even seem them as losers. They didn't really deserve to have their business destroyed over nothing. They didn't have great game I guess. They had sex with women and talked about it on a podcast, including some customers, the uglier customers or the girls fatass mothers started picketing because they openly talked about dating women and having sex with the better looking customers?

Eradicator: the lack of respect is due the disconnect between their online personas and their public response when discovered.

Does this gif make you cringe?

Guess these womyn have never been to Chile






Cafe con piernas all day

Quote: (09-24-2015 12:29 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

Eh, I don't even seem them as losers. They didn't really deserve to have their business destroyed over nothing. They didn't have great game I guess. They had sex with women and talked about it on a podcast, including some customers, the uglier customers or the girls fatass mothers started picketing because they openly talked about dating women and having sex with the better looking customers?

Pretty simple jealousy good lord.

Brother, it's a question of attitude. These kids had a *bad* one; they were a bunch of mouthy know-it-alls.

Amongst young men of good calibre, you'll find a certain abashedness/trying-too-hard in the presence of a talented senior. I'm surprised and honoured when I run into this; it reinforces my commitment to be a man worthy of their respect.

Amongst older men of good calibre, it matures into an attitude of "Start nothing, finish everything." Where the young man is eager to show off his nascent skills (and thus, become the elder's apprentice, to learn from him), the older man has reached the point where only colleagues can teach him further; he is well aware of his limitations, but the only men who can teach him have their own limitations. "I am good with the rifle; you are good with the pistol. Perhaps we could exchange advice?"

Both the young man and the old man are humble in these examples. The youth wishes to display an eagerness to learn, the elder refrains from bragging about skills he does not possess.

The mature man will speak frankly and bluntly on the topics he understands - you might mistake it for arrogance, if you're not familiar with who he is - but he will refrain from speaking on topics about which he is ignorant. The young man will speak noisily and eagerly about all topics - but he will shut his mouth when an elder speaks.

Those are men of good calibre. Now let's talk about the degenerate men.

The degenerate older man is that guy at the bar who wants to share his wisdom with you. He's an expert on everything, and he's figured life out; that's why he's alone at a bar on Tuesday afternoon, he roofs for a living, and he's paying money to an ex-wife.

The degenerate youth is brazen; not just when out with his peers (acting like a douche bag teenager is a good strategy to get laid when you're a teenager), but amongst his elders as well. He's an expert on everything, and his generation invented sex.

Back to the coffee shop owners: earlier in the thread it was revealed that they mouthed-off Roosh regarding his Dr Phil appearance - while they were operating pseudonymously, and had never appeared on television. That's punk behaviour. They weren't voicing loud opinions about running a business (something they actually were skilled at doing), but instead they were peacocking about how many women they'd been with. They were acting like a couple of brazen youth, trying to dethrone the King.

[And just as an aside: if you're a decent-looking guy with money who gets laid regularly, well, that's just par for the course. That's a C+. Most people who hold Roosh in high esteem don't do so because of his notch-count - but because of the commitment and character he's displayed over his life. Re-inventing himself after the DC Bachelor fiasco, and creating a successful media empire. He didn't do that by picking fights with potential mentors.]

Conclusion: they're punks, they're snakes, they're cowards. I've probably been with more women than the two of them combined, and yet I don't consider myself enough of an expert to speak about game on a regular basis. I defer to Roosh, who is an expert, and I will only offer the occasional observation or criticism when I have something solid to say.

What happened to them is a product of an unjust environment; but their behaviour was the product of an uncivil environment. The two go hand in hand. Every time you have a girl put up a bitch shield? It's because some idiot from the night before thought that grabbing her tit was a 'neg'. All of these fat feminists, ranting political ideology - well, these were the exact sort of guys to pump women full of solipsism, just to get their dicks wet.

They had no honour or integrity as men; this is obvious from their kowtowing, and it's sustained by their behaviour beforehand.

Quote: (09-24-2015 12:29 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

Eh, I don't even seem them as losers. They didn't really deserve to have their business destroyed over nothing. They didn't have great game I guess. They had sex with women and talked about it on a podcast, including some customers, the uglier customers or the girls fatass mothers started picketing because they openly talked about dating women and having sex with the better looking customers?

Pretty simple jealousy good lord.

Deserve's got nothing to do with it.






Learn the game and play the game, or die as a pawn.

Holisticgame was a blog, twitter and podcast led by J & J from as small town as they called it. Turns out it was Asheville, NC. They spoke about their sexual exploits, about learning game and about the women they fucked. I listened a few times to their podcasts during my workouts and it sounded legit - just fun stuff when men with Game talk to each other. They were not overly misogynistic and were supporters of openness and honesty not lying to the girls about any commitment. They advised guys to always state that you are not into commitment and so it seems that they lived by their code.

Unfortunately that kind of openness is of course misogyny. Their lack of judgement was that their business in Asheville was a small alternative coffee shop and some side-products like bottled chilled coffee they started to move into. So essentially their voices, personalities should have been well known after a time in the small town. Also their clientele were probably hipsters and mainstream folk and women. Contrary to RSD their clients were looking for a coffee and not for pickup advice.

My take is that either one of the women or a White Knight outed them and the feminists started protesting in front of their shop offering coffee and donuts to folk passing by.

Their site: http://www.wakinglifeespresso.com/

The guys:

   

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...unter.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../72586252/

http://jezebel.com/asheville-coffee-shop...1732097139

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/ne...st-online/

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/.../72566898/

The shitstorm:




Why always the crazy ones worrying about being "plates" - no one would want you as a plate - you are more like a giant pizza saucer.


Jesus fuck - that is the epitome of a fucksock - a dirty ugly one at that.



   
Please - skank - most of us talk sometimes like that when only men are around - women sometimes outdo men in that regard.


This one wants eternally free coffee for women. Oh - and they want life-long commitment of both guys to feminism. I guess they will have to start making weekly podcasts praising their feminist overlords instead of doing it on Game - Game which obviously worked and let them have sweet love with dozens more women than before Game.

Anyway - I think that J&J were in some debt as well and one of the business loans they got from Mountain BizWorks (small business support by North Carolina).

Then J&J did the cardinal error of issuing this apology:

http://www.wakinglifeespresso.com/9-21-15/

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To Our Asheville Community:
We know many of you are very angry right now. That anger is justified. There is nothing to balm the wound for now, and we recognize that. We validate and affirm your frustration and disappointment. We’ve issued separate individual apologies, and those stand more than ever.
We’ve said terrible and demeaning things – things that belie unhealthy thought patterns that do not contribute to a stable and equal society. Things our mothers and sisters had to hear. We cannot and will not excuse these things. We grieve for the systematic and ongoing actions we’ve taken. We apologize to the women in our lives and the greater community for the harm we’ve caused, and the potential danger we’ve put them in with our attitudes and beliefs.
We opened Sunday in order to have conversations with some of our regular customers, and to give an opportunity for folks to chat if they wished. A few did just that, and we’re grateful for your thoughts and feelings. We’re humbled by and undeserving of the grace displayed by so many in the face of our actions.
We’re going to close for the next couple days so we can have some room for introspection. We want to allow ourselves to be accountable to our friends, family, employees, clergy, and counselors for our actions, and give ourselves room to be silent and reflect. These attitudes were not grown in a day, and they will not be destroyed in a day. We want to humbly commit to that process. We’re not good people, but we want to be.
We’re going to donate all our business profits through the end of the year to Our Voice. Many of you in the community have great regard for this organization, and their work is of immense importance. We know this is but a step, but it’s something to which we can commit. Our employees who have lost their jobs due to our behavior will be given severance to help as they transition.
With deep regret,
Jared & Jacob

I glanced at their apology at first and thought that they were just appeasing some local feminist storm and trying to salvage the business. However I missed the point about them trying to donate to a feminist rape organisation named Our Voice.

The apology could have worked if only some local women were involved, but not when it went viral like that. Also why did they have to offer giving money to feminists. Of course those SJWs even refused to take money from "misogynists".

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Early Monday morning, Rutledge and Owens issued a new apology online, offering to donate their business profits through the end of the year to Our VOICE, a local rape prevention and crisis charity.

By early afternoon, Our VOICE had announced it refused to accept the apology or pledged financial donation from Waking Life.

So they not only lost their business as it seems, but also their face:
http://ashevilleblog.com/waking-life-espresso-for-sale/

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The now controversial coffee shop is for sale, we learned today. Protesters had resumed their stance outside, offering coffee and doughnuts to passersby.
“The coffee shop is indeed for sale,” one of the parties who wishes to be unnamed, told us. “At this point, it is more selling the assets than the business itself.”
The two individuals who had arrived at the coffee shop late this morning shared that they also own other coffee stores, and are interested in the cold brew equipment.
Waking Life Espresso started selling their flash chilled bottled coffees earlier this year. When the news about the coffee owners misogynistic tweets and blog came to light late last week, local businesses immediately starting pulling Waking Life Products off the shelf.

Instead of apologizing for saying things which were less questionable than what Roosh, Heartiste, Tom Torero, Nick Krauser - even Rollo Tomassi etc. have said on their blogs - they should have doubled down and offered coffee in the most Masculine Coffee Shop in town.

Here Heartiste's take:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/09/...omir-jagr/

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Are you reading this, Jared Rutledge and Jacob Owens? When you grovel before the feminist cunt culture, you only encourage the degenerate freaks to take a piss on your bowed heads.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/09/...zing-ways/

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[b]How Business Owners Jared And Jacob Should Have Handled Public Exposure Of Their Womanizing Ways[/b]
September 24, 2015 by CH
FEMINIST CUNT CULTURE: wow just wow i can’t even, ugh the patriarchy rears its ugly head again! having cis-sex with thin-privileged wymyn and then writing about it like it was a good thing! WRONG SIDE OF HERSTORY douchecanoes! will someone think of the children? i’m feeling so raped, rape everywhere, the world is raping me, rape-ity rape rape! SOMEONE SHUT THESE RAPISTS DOWN!

J&J: Yes, we have consensual sex with charming, fun women, and have written about it.

FEMINIST CUNT CULTURE: UGH! will the raping never stop!!!! president obama, do something! i will never drink your triple foamed, double whipped, peppermint and fudge infused XXL cappafrappaccinolatte AGAIN!

J&J: Dear valued customers,

As you have heard by now, our coffee shop, Waking Life, is owned and operated by two INCREDIBLY charming and, dare we say it?, sexy men. Yes, our reputation with the ladies precedes us. By why take the media’s word for it? Come try our new release latte, Sex Panther #9, and enjoy a bean flavor that we feel really captures our commitment to the refined pleasures of flirting with the opposite sex.

Gentlemen, take it from us, you’ll be smooth talkers after a sip of our silky smooth java. Ladies, you just might find love in our coffeehouse. We certainly did!

God bless, and a 50% discount on all coffee and coffee accessories to any customer this week who comes to our humble bordello wearing Playboy bunny ears, (for the men, you may substitute ascots and velour dinner jackets).

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CH here. This isn’t so hard, guys. You just have to say a happy FUCK YOU to SJWs, manlets, and feminist cunts and AGREE & AMPLIFY. But that would require a working pair. Maybe you should have called your coffee shop Sleeping Scrote?

I know it is a tough situation and the young guys panicked as they saw the end of their business looming ahead. It is also possible that the situation was in no way salvageable.

Still - guys you criticized Roosh for his media performance:



The women, SJWs and feminists even respect them less due to the apology.


Of course Rollo Tomassi already pointed out the hipocrisy of feminists:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...nches.html

A dating app that lets women rate men on sexual performance, size of penis, looks etc. That app is empowering, but when men talk about having fucked a redhead hippie, then it's misogyny. They haven't posted her pics online. Their only fault was doing it in a small town and having a business that relied on the SJWs, which should make you careful.

Also in terms of objectification only women are allowed to do it in our times:



You can be Sheryl Sandberg's fucktoy, but not the other way around.

J&J of Holisticgame - you should learn from the greats of the 'sphere:

NEVER RETREAT, NEVER APOLOGIZE, GO OUT FIRING ON ALL CYLINDERS:



I know that we don't know their entire situation, but frankly it's pretty clear what's up as they are about to sell their business inventory already. Might have gone out firing. RIP Holisticgame - it's a loss to the Game community. You should tend to your wounds and come back stronger and the next time not give a fuck.

They also tried addressing the crowd to no avail of course:

http://www.wlos.com/news/features/top-st...gQ_HtKqqko

Some crazy bitch talks about the pain they caused her - of course she was raped 2 times, but the guys had nothing to do with it.

You cannot reason with crazy.

You guys are partly a bit hard on them. One went out to talk with the crazies:



They are just about 2 years into Game and Red Pill. Their transformation to the Alpha state is not complete. They have also not overly dealt with the feminist SJW Red Pill part of the 'sphere. Mostly those guys were focused on Game and how to fuck lots of cute girls.

They should have read more about the environment they are sitting in. As AB put it correctly - they had a business which made them tantamount to giving SJWs a blade and holding it to their throats. Having a podcast while having such a business was just highly careless.

I hope the guys learn their lesson and double down on the Red Pill in the future. Backtracking to the Blue Pill is not an option.

The bolded part.

Especially notice it in people here at RVF. Trying to dictate how RVF should be. Exaggerated macho/alpha stuff of how players should be

Quote: (09-22-2015 11:29 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

This is getting back to my point about choosing your allies wisely.

Any time Alpha Men gather into tribes that have the perception of being an Outlaw Culture - bikers; ex-military men; hardcore bodybuilders; players - they will target the attention of weaker Beta men who want to possess the cachet of belonging to that tribe without earning it.

So whilst my natural instinct when in proximity to a gang is to hang back and let myself be observed, judged, and, if respected, invited in, these guys tend to kick the door in, try to force everyone to like them, have their own ideas about what the tribe should be, and generally behaviour in a manner suggesting an exaggerated version of what they believe the tribe is.

Wannabes. Try-hards. Guys with experience in these sort of groups will know what I mean. These are the guys whom always cause trouble for the tribe; who shine an unwanted spotlight on their activities; whom always escalate bad situations forcing the tribe to act to protect them, whilst, conversely, having zero loyalty to the tribe when the repercussions of their actions threaten their own safety. Basically, they're bitches and snitches.

Identifying them is much easier with experience / jadedness. Unfortunately, they're usually brought in by a friend or family member who so desperately wants to believe in the best of them that they can't see them for what they are.

In this situation, the Beta Playacted as what he believed an Alpha to be: an emotionally uncaring guy who just uses unconscious women as fuckholes even when they're in hospital, because, apparently, in his world the expression 'Starfish' to describe a dead root doesn't exist. Hell, look at the title of this newspaper article: Starfish 101: when your partner's a dud in the sack.

I'd see this exaggerated attitude a lot from Virtue Signalling Progressive Goony Bearded guys back when I used Facebook. I'd voice some healthy scepticism for female behaviour, then they'd message me privately with something that suggested they truly hate women, believing their misogyny was in any way related to my ability to Speak Girl: to call them on their bullshit in a teasing way where they get the heightened emotional spike of feeling teased, but don't end up hating me because they grudgingly-recognise my knowledge comes out of experience with women.

It doesn't matter that this guy's story was most likely-that of an unreliable narrator - I don't see anyone could get their cock into an unresponsive, unlubed, ill woman, particularly given the 'drying up' effect of opiates on a woman - the damage is done: he's handed his opponents a smoking gun.

The woman in question isn't going to back up his story if it was consensual, because she is highly-unlikely to publicly-admit to the community she was 'fooled' by such an obvious, creepy douchebag. I mean, all women are smart enough to spot a player, aren't they? Therefore: it was rape!

This Bullshit Magnet ability is the danger of Paper Alphas to any tribe, and why we're lucky he wasn't part of ours.

One of us should really write up this entire debacle in an entertaining story form to make sure that these mistakes aren't repeated and to learn from this recent history.

I keep thinking they could easily have had these protesters arrested for all sorts of things such as disturbing the peace, trespassing, physical intimidation toward customers, harassment, lack of a permit, ect. All sorts of common SJW tactics could have been utilized in counter fashion to make a firm stance that this shit wasn't going to be tolerated.

Instead they gave in, tried to apologize, and tame these frothing Medusas. As Vox Day has said, never apologize.

What this does indicate is that game isn't enough to weather the storm. Their foundation was built on sand, considering how easy it caved.

I think some recent paraphrasing Quintus did in his dialogue with Roosh of Churchill applies quite well here, "groups that go down without a fight never rise again; and those groups which exert their zealous energies to advance their causes always rise again."