"U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies"

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/....html?_r=0

In a military where allegations of sexual assault have wrought moral panic in the highest ranks, where is the outrage? Where is Senator Kristin Gillibrand to demand that the military be held accountable for covering up this rampant sexual abuse occuring on U.S. bases?

“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

It would seem that the SJW's are MIA on the battlefields of Afghanistan.

Relevant:

Billions of our tax money go into training people who torture and rape children by custom. I can hardly express how much I am disgusted at cultures like the Afghan one.

Nato should have never get involved there. It's a lost case.

To me the worst part of this is that it is just now "coming to light", and we've been dealing with Afghanistan since 2001. Not like this shit just started over there, and I'm sure it's been suppressed for years

I was told by Pakistanis over 15 years ago that Pathans (or Pashtuns) are known for loving young boys.

This article is from 6 years ago. The dancing boys of Afghanistan

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The night's rituals unfolded slowly. In a small house in a village near the town of Taluqan in northern Afghanistan, a dozen men huddled in a cold, dark room, wrapped in thick blankets and squatting on red cushions. The wind sliced through a plastic sheet nailed to a wooden frame in the mud wall, and a strong aroma of hashish lingered in the air.

A young boy brought a small metal pot, poured warm water on the men's hands and dried them with a small, stinking towel. Dinner was served: plates of meat stew, thick loaves of bread and bowls of yogurt. Then, when the meal was over, one of the guests opened his sash and pulled out four small bottles of Tajik vodka. Solemnly and with half-embarrassed smiles, the men raised their glasses, whispered, "Salamte" and drained them.

As more vodka was drunk, the party grew louder. Its host – a former Taliban commander now in alliance with the Afghan government and Americans – chatted jovially to his guests, mainly local farmers and shopkeepers. Then one of the men produced a sitar and a dancer entered the room.

Dressed in a flowing shirt and long, red skirt, with sherwal pants beneath and small silver bells fastened to hands and feet, the dancer stepped across the floor, face hidden behind a red scarf. The bells chimed with the movement, the skirt brushing past the watching men who stretched out their hands to touch it. The sitar player sang loudly, a love song about betrayal. The dancer twisted and sang hoarsely with him, arms thrown high above a lean, muscular body, moving faster and faster until finally the scarf dropped, revealing a handsome young man's face with traces of a moustache and beard. One of the men quickly grabbed the scarf and started sniffing it.

The practice of taking young boys to perform as dancers at private parties is known as bacha bazi (literally, "boy for play") and is an Afghan tradition with very deep roots. Under Taliban rule, it was banned, but it has crept back and is now widespread, flourishing also in the cities, including the capital, Kabul, and a common feature of weddings, especially in the north. The bacha dancers are often abused children whose families have rejected them. Their "owners" or "masters" can be single or married men, who keep them in a form of sexual slavery, as concubines. The bachas are usually released at the age of 19, when they can get married and reclaim their status as "male", though the stigma of having lived as a bacha is hard to overcome. The Afghan authorities and human rights groups are aware of the plight of bacha boys, but seem powerless to stop it.

In an adjacent room, 16-year-old Mustafa was preparing to dance next. His owner opened a small bundle of clothes and produced a long, blue skirt, crimson shirt, leather straps and bells. Mustafa stood on a table and nervously smoked a cigarette. Holding his thin arms over his head, he allowed two bearded, turbaned men, giggling and laughing, to dress him like a doll. One combed his long hair, and invited the other to have the "honour" of wrapping the straps around his hands and feet.

Later, when he had finished his performance, Mustafa told me his story. "My grandfather kept telling me when I was a child to be careful of men because I was handsome," he said. "One day a mechanic in the town attacked me, my family rejected me and I had to go and stay with that man. Now I am with someone else and he taught me how to dance." He spoke matter-of-factly, then started explaining in great detail about where he buys his women's clothes. How did he feel about the men dressing him? "It's OK," he said.

In Kabul and other Afghan cities, bacha bazi CDs and DVDs are widely on sale from street stalls and carts, serving an audience who can't afford the real thing. In many of the cafes, men sit drinking tea and watching grainy images of boys dancing.

Most of Kabul's musicians congregate in the southern part of the city, an area that was half destroyed by the civil war. In a crumbling hotel, an aged guard opened a gate that led to a dark staircase surrounded by metal grilles. The air was damp and heavy with the smell of hashish, opium, urine and burned oil. On the first floor was a small hall and a few rooms, with shoes and flip-flops piled high outside. On Thursday afternoons, dancing boys and their owners come here to wait for clients to hire them for weddings or parties.

The hotel was crowded with musicians and singers, including 30 Pakistani Pashtun musicians who had come to Kabul to seek refuge from the clampdown in the north-west of their country. One, his hair parted with a ruler in the middle and greased with cream, told me, "The Afghans like us as much as their own musicians. Even Kendeel Kuji [a famous Pakistani singer] is here."

In the same room I met Habib, a dancer, dressed in a spotless white salwar kameez. Two gold rings decorated his manicured fingers. His face was plump and he had a thin, well-groomed moustache above thick, red lips. Why did he start dancing? "I love it. No one forced me to do it – I love it."

When he was 13, he said, his family disowned him, so he went with his lover to Peshawar, fleeing the Taliban. "There I learned how to dance. We could do everything there; I could dress like a woman and dance. Here in Kabul we can't do much: I can only put some red on my lips and dance." He stroked his face with his delicate hands and pushed back his hair with a shake.

After the fall of the Taliban, Habib came back and settled in a small hotel near Kabul. "People accuse us of being homosexuals and transsexuals, but we are not," he said firmly. "We are not trying to be women, we are just dancers. Some men like my dancing and give me tips, but other men like to do other things with me. I have to be careful – they can be dangerous. I know how to manoeuvre to take their money and not let them harm me."

Why did he think other young boys dressed as women and danced? "Because men like women and they are not available, so we act like women. We wink at the rich men in the room, we excite them and they pay us. Two weeks ago, in a town north of Kabul, the elder paid me 4,000 Afghanis [around £49]. But after the programme I had to shout so he would be embarrassed in front of other people, because he wanted to do things with me. Sometimes we get a lot of money. Sometimes we have to spend the night with them and they don't give us anything.

"I am normal, but I like to walk and talk and to perform like a woman. Once, a man offered me $20,000 [£12,250] to become his lover and stop dancing, but I said no because I love to dance. I took only $1,000. Now we are together. Yes, he is married. But he still likes me."

It seems that this sickness exist because there's no women available.
If there was ever a country which needed legalized female prostitution, it's Afghanistan.

Quote: (09-21-2015 07:14 PM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  

To me the worst part of this is that it is just now "coming to light", and we've been dealing with Afghanistan since 2001. Not like this shit just started over there, and I'm sure it's been suppressed for years

These stories were brought to main stream press years ago. It's the American publics fault for not giving it attention.

Quote: (09-21-2015 06:24 PM)Telos Wrote:  

It would seem that the SJW's are MIA on the battlefields of Afghanistan.

Nah seems to me like they're already there. Obviously there's nothing wrong with this, its "just a part of their culture."

I thought it was common knowledge for years that only the poppy grower and pederast have benefited from NATO's invasion of Afghanistan under the pretext of hunting a former CIA-operative in caves.

Yeah this is definitely a bit of old news. Enabling boy fuckers was all part of winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan tribes people.

Our military has been taken over by gays and feminists. It was a deliberate strategy of Obama to do this to our military. Period.

This green beret was thrown out of the military for trying to prevent young boys from being gay raped:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/...ed-afghan/

Quote: (09-23-2015 09:14 AM)robreke Wrote:  

This green beret was thrown out of the military for trying to prevent young boys from being gay raped:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/...ed-afghan/

This is what happens unfortunately. The US needs local Afghan support to function there at an affordable price, and Afghans are pederasts. They either have to look the other way, invest a far higher amount of troops and money to maintain their foothold there (which I'm guessing has something to do with Iran), or go Genghis Khan on the Afghans. The only acceptable option to the US government is the first option, and so it goes.

Quote: (09-21-2015 07:26 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I was told by Pakistanis over 15 years ago that Pathans (or Pashtuns) are known for loving young boys.

This has been going on for centuries, so much so that Pathan buggery is the butt of numerous jokes across South Asia:

1. Why do the birds of Kandahar ("Kandahar kay parinday...") fly in circles?
Because they fly with one wing...
... they use the other wing to cover their behinds.

2. Old Pushtun proverb: "A woman for children, a bacha for pleasure and a goat for choice."

3. Hindustani/Urdu saying: "Pathan say dushmani jaan ko khatra, pathan say doastee gaand ko khatra" - Translation: A Pathan's enmity is a threat to your life, but a Pathan's friendship is a threat to your arse.

Afghan's Dancing Boys

Nothing new and will continue, these are the "ally's" we have to work with over there ?

It's basically an era of warlords and pacts over there, what a fucking waste.

Telos and Quiet are right, SJW's don't think anything wrong of it because it's "cultural".


I swear some societies don't deserve to survive.

This article is from 2010:

Afghan Men Struggle With Sexual Identity, Study Finds

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As if U.S. troops and diplomats didn't have enough to worry about in trying to understand Afghan culture, a new report suggests an entire region in the country is coping with a sexual identity crisis.

An unclassified study from a military research unit in southern Afghanistan details how homosexual behavior is unusually common among men in the large ethnic group known as Pashtuns -- though they seem to be in complete denial about it.

The study, obtained by Fox News, found that Pashtun men commonly have sex with other men, admire other men physically, have sexual relationships with boys and shun women both socially and sexually -- yet they completely reject the label of "homosexual." The research was conducted as part of a longstanding effort to better understand Afghan culture and improve Western interaction with the local people.

The research unit, which was attached to a Marine battalion in southern Afghanistan, acknowledged that the behavior of some Afghan men has left Western forces "frequently confused."

The report details the bizarre interactions a U.S. Army medic and her colleagues had with Afghan men in the southern province of Kandahar.

In one instance, a group of local male interpreters had contracted gonorrhea anally but refused to believe they could have contracted it sexually -- "because they were not homosexuals."

Apparently, according to the report, Pashtun men interpret the Islamic prohibition on homosexuality to mean they cannot "love" another man -- but that doesn't mean they can't use men for "sexual gratification."

The group of interpreters who had contracted gonorrhea joked in the camp that they actually got the disease by "mixing green and black tea." But since they refused to heed the medics' warnings, many of them re-contracted the disease after receiving treatment.

The U.S. army medic also told members of the research unit that she and her colleagues had to explain to a local man how to get his wife pregnant.

The report said: "When it was explained to him what was necessary, he reacted with disgust and asked, 'How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean, when one could be with a man, who is clean? Surely this must be wrong.'"

The Pashtun populations are concentrated in the southern and eastern parts of the country. The Human Terrain Team that conducted the research is part of a military effort to learn more about local populations.

The report also detailed a disturbing practice in which older "men of status" keep young boys on hand for sexual relationships. One of the country's favorite sayings, the report said, is "women are for children, boys are for pleasure."

The report concluded that the widespread homosexual behavior stems from several factors, including the "severe segregation" of women in the society and the "prohibitive" cost of marriage.

Though U.S. troops are commonly taught in training for Afghanistan that the "effeminate characteristics" of Pashtun men are "normal" and not an indicator of homosexuality, the report said U.S. forces should not "dismiss" the unique version of homosexuality that is actually practiced in the region "out of desire to avoid western discomfort."

Otherwise, the report said, Westerners could "risk failing to comprehend an essential social force underlying Pashtun culture."

I remember talking to an American guy who was once worked in an admin role as a contractor in Afghanistan.

He said he could hear the Afghan guy in the office next door fucking young men. The neighbor once invited him to a party where there were no women present, but he declined.

Apart of me think these homo erotic trends are happening because Islam suppresses so much sexuality.

This leaves men single well into their 20's without having any sexual experiences.

So you have a man, whose a virgin, full of Test, with a sexually suppressed culture, that has no way of releasing it unless married. (Probably jacking off)

So they possibly turn to little boys and other men ?


We talked ALOT about human sexuality on here, we talk about how the west is a shithole and sexuality is exploited, porn, TV, movies, music, clothing, etc.

We talk about how women are such sluts and are easy bangs, how that if a woman had respect and stopped this, the west would be a better place.


Question: Is this what could happen if we repress sexuality TOO much ?

(I know there may be fallacies in my thoughts, what I want is an open discussion talking about how much stopping sexuality is too much. IE The pendulum swinging the other way)

Quote: (09-23-2015 02:38 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Apart of me think these homo erotic trends are happening because Islam suppresses so much sexuality.

This leaves men single well into their 20's without having any sexual experiences.

So you have a man, whose a virgin, full of Test, with a sexually suppressed culture, that has no way of releasing it unless married. (Probably jacking off)

So they possibly turn to little boys and other men ?

Islam doesn’t surpress sexuality – it’s fine with it within a married relationship…but if you’re a single horny Muslim male you’re basically fucked in some cultures.

Shia Muslims have a form of temporary marriage - Nikah mut‘ah as work around in order to get the bang. Unfortunately Afghanistan is mostly Sunni.

Islam's Sex Licenses

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Temporary "pleasure marriages" offer unwed Muslims a way around the Islamic rule against premarital sex. Betwa Sharma talks to one young American Shiite who's on his 25th "I do."

"Marriage is halal, dating is haram," says Ali Selman. In other words, marriage is permissible, but dating is forbidden. These are the rules for the strapping, green-eyed Lebanese Shiite from Brooklyn.

Luckily for young Muslims like Selman, who are deeply religious yet subject to the same hormonal forces as any other twentysomething, the Quran provides what you might call a caveat clause. Its rule against sex outside of marriage is clear, but many Shiite Muslims believe that a section called "Al Nissa" contains a single word ( istimta) that seems to allow Muslims to engage in Mut'ah marriages, or "pleasure marriages"—essentially, temporary marriages for the purpose of having sex.

“As a Catholic you go to hell for having premarital sex. Mut’ah understands the human disposition and accommodates me.”

These "pleasure marriages" can last for years, months, several days, one night, or a few hours. Popular in places like Iran but also quietly practiced in America, Mut'ah is a handy option for unmarried Shiite Muslims who want to have sex without settling down for life. "There can be no sex outside of marriage," says the 29-year-old Selman, a champion weightlifter who, over the past 10 years, has been temporarily married 25 times.

Selman loathes nightclubs—"Loud music with people getting drunk and stupid is not my scene”—and so has met many of his wives in the hookah cafes of Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens. The narrow confine of Luxor, an Egyptian cafe in Greenwich Village, is one of his favorites, despite the cramped space. "I go there to smoke and not to pick up women," he insists. More often than not, though, he admits he somehow ends up meeting a beautiful girl.

Like permanent marriages in Islam, Mut'ah marriages are only allowed with other Muslims, Christians, and Jews. His partners have been Catholic and Muslim-American, Spanish, Lebanese, Turkish, Palestinian, and Pakistani. Selman says many of the women he meets express "shock" when he explains he must marry them before he can proceed.

"It is to avoid committing sin, and it is like a boyfriend and girlfriend relationship," he tells them. "Some of them don't like it," he says, but, "they agree because they want to be with me... If she doesn't like it, I understand, but I can't sleep with her."

According to Selman, the woman has to say, "I marry you, myself." The man replies, "I accept." A token bridal gift must be given—in Selman's case, usually tea, juice, or chocolates. Most of his marriages lasted for about three months—the shortest was three days long, with his bank teller, a Sunni from Pakistan. He says the girl actually wanted to get married for only one day; they finally settled on three days subject to renewal.

For Selman, Mut'ah is simply "a permission from God to have sexual relations." He's open about the fact that it's different than true love. "You can't fall in love 25 times," he says, laughing. "I had feelings for these women and I was attracted to them."

But some Shiite scholars, like Muhsin Alidina, say that Selman is "fooling himself." Alidina runs the education department at the Al Khoei Islamic Center, a prominent Shiite institution in Queens. Like most Shiites, he supports the concept of Mut'ah marriages, but says young Muslims like Selman don't take them seriously enough. "The obligation is not over by saying a few words," says Alidina. "Even if it is temporary, it is still a marriage with serious commitments."

Alidina says the crucial components of the Mut'ah marriage are the mutual acceptance of the marriage, a bridal gift to the wife paid in cash, and her obligation to stay single for two menstrual cycles after the marriage ends to ensure she is not pregnant before entering into another. The husband is responsible for a child conceived during the marriage, even if the marriage lasts only a few hours, and religious leaders recommend that the contract be put in writing so women can claim their rights in Islamic courts that recognize Mut'ah marriages.

As long as these tenets are followed, Alidina thinks Mut'ah marriages provide an important physical outlet for young Muslims. "They are young and unemployed and these marriages are cheaper options," says Alidina. "Mut'ah creates some obligation on men rather than dating or going to a prostitute."

But Shamsi Ali, a Sunni imam from the Islamic Center in Manhattan, dismisses Mut'ah marriage as prostitution with a religious stamp. "Marriages cannot be used to fulfill desires," he scolds. "Marriage is not a social solution." He says Mut'ah leads to abandonment of pregnant women, unwanted babies, and destroys the purpose and sanctity of marriage.

The leader of the Bay Ridge mosque in Brooklyn, Imam Tarek Yousef, is also a Sunni, but a longtime supporter of Mut’ah marriage. "Don't blame the principle because it is abused," he says. "The model is perfect."

Selman's 26-year-old friend Richard Giganti provides a different perspective. A practicing Catholic when he arrived in New York from Sicily, he converted to Islam after one year here. "I really enjoy the discipline of Islam," he says. Six months after becoming a Shiite Muslim, Giganti entered into his first temporary marriage with a Spanish Catholic woman. "The idea seemed really wishy-washy at first, but as I got more religious it began to make sense," he says. "As a Catholic you go to hell for having premarital sex. Mut'ah understands the human disposition and accommodates me."

Selman, for his part, knows he's adhering merely to the letter of the law, if not the spirit. There were certain marriages where he felt committed to his bride, but others that he says were just "date-like."

"I misused Mut'ah when I did it repeatedly and with several women," he says. "A lot of us use it as an excuse to have sex, and we really should control ourselves." He says many of his friends are in Mut’ah marriages: "It is very common for religious Shiite." Does this casual use of Mut'ah make them sinners? "I don't know. That's in God's hands," he says. "God ordered us to say these words and we say these words."

Many years ago, when he was teaching at the University of Dar-es-Salaam in Tanzania, Imam Alidina himself got a Mut'ah marriage for six months. His first marriage had been a traditional one, but, ironically, turned out to be temporary itself. After it failed, Alidina could not brave another permanent marriage. "I was looking for comfort and solace without the encumbrances of a long-term commitment," he says. The woman he Mut’ah-married was also coming out of a divorce. "We were both lonely and had desires of a young man and woman," he adds.

During their short marriage the couple never lived together, and toward the end of the six months Alidina left for the United Kingdom for two years. He lost touch with his wife during his time abroad and when he came back to Tanzania she had disappeared. They never met again.

After 40 years, Alidina looks back at his short marriage with affection. "It gave me the companionship I needed then," he says.

Time to convert to Shia Islam in order to access Persian pussy?





Ali Selman has managed to bang 25 women and only had to get them juices or chocolate...

Yup I was never told about this growing up since my family is Sunni.

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Like permanent marriages in Islam, Mut'ah marriages are only allowed with other Muslims, Christians, and Jews. His partners have been Catholic and Muslim-American, Spanish, Lebanese, Turkish, Palestinian, and Pakistani. Selman says many of the women he meets express "shock" when he explains he must marry them before he can proceed.

This is awesome for them, they don't even have to be the same religion but they must hold some religious values. Of course this isn't practiced by the majority Sunni's.

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"It is to avoid committing sin, and it is like a boyfriend and girlfriend relationship," he tells them. "Some of them don't like it," he says, but, "they agree because they want to be with me... If she doesn't like it, I understand, but I can't sleep with her."

Frame Game !

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According to Selman, the woman has to say, "I marry you, myself." The man replies, "I accept." A token bridal gift must be given—in Selman's case, usually tea, juice, or chocolates. Most of his marriages lasted for about three months—the shortest was three days long, with his bank teller, a Sunni from Pakistan. He says the girl actually wanted to get married for only one day; they finally settled on three days subject to renewal.

Should be in the Appetizer thread ! Subject to renewal, classic.

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For Selman, Mut'ah is simply "a permission from God to have sexual relations." He's open about the fact that it's different than true love. "You can't fall in love 25 times," he says, laughing. "I had feelings for these women and I was attracted to them."

Honest, sincere, direct, knows how to game the system.

Here's the thing, from what I undestand Shia's are minority compared to Sunni's - Nikah mut‘ah is practiced by a minority as well.

I'm not sure this will have an effect on Islamic Terrorism.

Quote: (09-23-2015 02:38 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Question: Is this what could happen if we repress sexuality TOO much ?

(I know there may be fallacies in my thoughts, what I want is an open discussion talking about how much stopping sexuality is too much. IE The pendulum swinging the other way)

In the West, the sexualisation of society has led to (mostly male) celibacy with a kind of rotating polyandry (actual: 'ethical non-monogamy' or retro-actif: single mothers or serial monogamy).

When sexuality was more constrained, men were guaranteed 'one man, one wife' - a bit like the democratic mantra of 'one man - one vote'.

Unfortunately, this is a very old practice. The barbarians of Sparta did it as well.