Quote: (01-28-2015 04:19 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 07:18 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 12:33 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Has anyone read "The Natural" by Richard LaRuina? It's highly rated on amazon, and it's just about the only game book I haven't read that isn't highly rated or regarded.

I think he's a con man, so no.

Can you explain please...? Not that I doubt you, but anyone can say that about anyone, what are your reasons for thinking this? I'd like to know because I was considering ordering his book, and would rather not waste my money.

There was this one time where on his website, he said that he was offering a $1 webinar that talked about day game openers etc. So I signed up for it thinking "why not? It's only 1 dollar". Two days later, I find out that I get charged $97 and I go back to his website and I inspected deeper into his website and in the very bottom of the page, it said that it's $1 dollar initially and since what we're tellling you is so "valuable" we'll charge you $97 24 hours later. I was pretty pissed when I found out but luckily I was able to get a refund. I lost all respect for him and his company that day. I also realized that there are a lot of what I like to call Pick up scam artists out there that feed off the money of dumb beta's. I realized that day that you have to be careful when investing your money into these PUA's cause some of them seem to be more concerned with making money rather than teaching their art.

I studied from David DeAngelo and Mystery primarily until Roosh.

I see nobody has mentioned Ross Jeffries or Paul Janka.

Mystery called Ross Jeffries a dingleberry in a CCM video by the way.

Quote: (01-28-2015 04:19 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 07:18 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 12:33 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Has anyone read "The Natural" by Richard LaRuina? It's highly rated on amazon, and it's just about the only game book I haven't read that isn't highly rated or regarded.

I think he's a con man, so no.

Can you explain please...? Not that I doubt you, but anyone can say that about anyone, what are your reasons for thinking this? I'd like to know because I was considering ordering his book, and would rather not waste my money.

It's a long held view from examining the PUA market way back in 2009. He doesn't approach, no one has ever seen him approach and he pays other coaches to do his job. Where do you think that slut Kezia Noble started?

Fair play to him as he's a millionaire but I would not trust his insight at all. In fact from what I understand, he learned everything from jsut watching Steve Jabba but never applied it himself. Snake oil.

I don't know if W. Anton is a PUA, but I first read The Manual in my junior year of high school. It was a good read, too - it was what ultimately led me to finding this forum.

Just found this interesting thread.

1. I started with the Tony Lay Guide and Ross Jeffries and used some of what he called "patterns" on some girl whom I lost my virginity with. She was a very smart girl, so I got her imagination working overtime. She sort of caught me and called me out, but she was horny anyway and didn't really care.

2. Was on ASF writing field reports, and I've encountered Mystery, MrSex4uNYC, Ross Jeffries, and lots of other PUAs. But MrSex4uNYC was really the only one who opened my eyes to everything that I was doing wrong. He literally tore my field reports to shreds for his own personal entertainment, but it was akin to ripping duct tape from my eyes so I could actually SEE. I wonder what happened to him...

3. Mystery. But I hated Mystery Method as it doesn't suit my style and personality. Quickly got burned out from game, and swallowed the blue pill.

4. Roosh. Need I say more?

Anybody study from Hynotica? What are your thoughts on him?

David D, RSD NATION

I studied a lot of these big names initially but I eventually got turned off by these guy's constant push to sell new products and boot camps. This is why i like Roosh because he soesn't do that kind of shit and compared to these other pua's, he's the most genuine one of them all.

I know that he got discredited in the last few month due to his fake video, but Tom Torrero is the dude that helped me achieve the results that I was looking for from Daygame of constantly having a chance to get dates on the streets. Looking back at the London crew is a lesson in checking your ego ever so tightly.

Krauser lost his mind here, Tom faked a video and the ever so smooth Yosha got angry. And there was also the romance novel on the chick that wanted to expose her former PUA boyfriend. These cases are a reminder to me to always check my ego when I'm riding High cause as Red Pill men we tend to feel bulletproof when things are going right.

Tyler (Owen Cook) is great for inner game concepts.

I'm a big fan of Todd Valentine. He studied mechanical engineering and you can really see his analytical side come through in his videos. He has some good stuff on Youtube and paid stuff as well. He's probably one of the best of the RSD lot. He fits my style to a fucking T.

Some of the other guys mentioned here like Arash, Good Looking Loser (doesn't half his forum advertise penis pumps?) aren't even close to being on the same level as Roosh, RSD and co.

Besides Roosh and this forum the ones that have helped me the most:

Chase Amante: His articles really get into the psychology of women and how they think.

David Wygant: His material was the first I started reading/listening to after my divorce. He specializes in indirect, situational approaching and his material is easy to grasp if you're starting at zero.

Corey Wayne: Really good if you're looking to tighten up your text/phone game and get the hamster spinning. He has hundreds of youtube videos that answer specific viewer questions.

Blackdragon: Good common sense information on red pill living and maintaining multiple non monogamous relationships.

Just PUA Divorco.

When I began learning game I started with this:

When I was a beta guy:

- Mystery: Mystery method, Venusian Arts (The same MM but with other name)
- Neil Strauss: The Game Book, Stylelife Academy Challenge, The Rules of the Game (Stylelife Academy with other name)
- Real Social Dynamics
- David DeAngelo: Double your Dating, Attraction Isn't A Choice, his weekly mails (when these had some valuable advice)
- Wayne Elise: Juggler's Method (The first "PUA" which method was focused on being natural and charismatic)
- Mike Pilinsky: Without Embarrasment (Earliest book about game published online)

(In this phase I learned the basic steps of game. I'm glad I never used the ridiculous peacocking method from Mystery)

When I was a recovering beta:

- Virgle Kent's blog (I discovered Roosh's Blog here)
- Roosh when he was known as DC Bachelor (I remember his struggles over trivial things like growing a beard, getting laid in DC and his struggles with his career, sexual life and the soulless city of Washington D.C.)
- Roissy's Blog (Renamed Chateau Heartiste)
- No Ma'Am Blog (One of the earliest Red Pill Blogs)
- The Gunwitch Method
- Richard LaRuina Gambler: British PUA
- Love Systems (Started by Savoy, a former Mystery Method coach)

(In this phase many things made sense and I fully understood the female psychology)

Post game knowledge:

- Roosh Blog and forum (When the forum was heavily focused on traveling tips and advice)
- Roosh Bang Book (For fine tuning my game)
- Return of Kings (I read this website since its launch)
- Mike Cernovich Danger and Play Blog (I found this blog serching in google "How to have rough sex")
- Kid Strangelove blog.

Health, lifestyle and other issues:

- Good Looking Loser
- Danger and Play
- Matt Forney Blog
- Quintus Curtius Blog
- This forum
- Goldmund Blog.

Quote: (01-28-2015 04:32 PM)Spice Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 04:19 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 07:18 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 12:33 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Has anyone read "The Natural" by Richard LaRuina? It's highly rated on amazon, and it's just about the only game book I haven't read that isn't highly rated or regarded.

I think he's a con man, so no.

Can you explain please...? Not that I doubt you, but anyone can say that about anyone, what are your reasons for thinking this? I'd like to know because I was considering ordering his book, and would rather not waste my money.

There was this one time where on his website, he said that he was offering a $1 webinar that talked about day game openers etc. So I signed up for it thinking "why not? It's only 1 dollar". Two days later, I find out that I get charged $97 and I go back to his website and I inspected deeper into his website and in the very bottom of the page, it said that it's $1 dollar initially and since what we're tellling you is so "valuable" we'll charge you $97 24 hours later. I was pretty pissed when I found out but luckily I was able to get a refund. I lost all respect for him and his company that day. I also realized that there are a lot of what I like to call Pick up scam artists out there that feed off the money of dumb beta's. I realized that day that you have to be careful when investing your money into these PUA's cause some of them seem to be more concerned with making money rather than teaching their art.

A lot of guys that game women find out how easy it is game men for money. Huge crossover in sales skills.

Quote: (08-15-2015 10:00 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 04:32 PM)Spice Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 04:19 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 07:18 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 12:33 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Has anyone read "The Natural" by Richard LaRuina? It's highly rated on amazon, and it's just about the only game book I haven't read that isn't highly rated or regarded.

I think he's a con man, so no.

Can you explain please...? Not that I doubt you, but anyone can say that about anyone, what are your reasons for thinking this? I'd like to know because I was considering ordering his book, and would rather not waste my money.

There was this one time where on his website, he said that he was offering a $1 webinar that talked about day game openers etc. So I signed up for it thinking "why not? It's only 1 dollar". Two days later, I find out that I get charged $97 and I go back to his website and I inspected deeper into his website and in the very bottom of the page, it said that it's $1 dollar initially and since what we're tellling you is so "valuable" we'll charge you $97 24 hours later. I was pretty pissed when I found out but luckily I was able to get a refund. I lost all respect for him and his company that day. I also realized that there are a lot of what I like to call Pick up scam artists out there that feed off the money of dumb beta's. I realized that day that you have to be careful when investing your money into these PUA's cause some of them seem to be more concerned with making money rather than teaching their art.

A lot of guys that game women find out how easy it is game men for money. Huge crossover in sales skills.

I only paid the postage fees for that book. I can't really remember it or whether I even read it for that matter. I did watch his video on the 21 convention on stealth attraction which is pretty good. Hour long lecture on importance of being subtle when out in public to not active anti slut defences. Used that successfully a few times.

Richard LaRuina does have a few decent videos on Youtube. I'm massively turned off by him though as he always has two robotic escorts/models or whatever the fuck they are next to him. It's the sort of thing a crap salesman would do. The RSD stuff is much much better anyway.

Quote: (08-16-2015 09:58 AM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

Richard LaRuina does have a few decent videos on Youtube. I'm massively turned off by him though as he always has two robotic escorts/models or whatever the fuck they are next to him. It's the sort of thing a crap salesman would do. The RSD stuff is much much better anyway.

I think La Ruina is a fraud just based on youtube videos. If you need 2 hired good looking girls in all your videos, something is off. It's like he is projecting an image. I doubt he has much game.


What do people think of these PUA's:
RSD Madison
Justin Wayne
Squattin Casanova

Have you read any Torrero's books? He is getting popular lately.

Is it just me or does anyone else involuntarily cringe whenever they see this title's acronym?