Regardless if it's to maintain birth rates and population growth (benevolent motives, as MidWest claims), the fact remains that it's not done democratically with the permission of the people.

No one ever asked Americans or Europeans for this. Ever. And if they were asked today, it's not hard to figure out what the answer would be. This alone suggests we're being taken advantage of.

I'm currently in southern Hungary near the Serbian border and there are shitloads of migrants coming across everyday.

The Hungarians have enough sense to build a wall (however ineffective it will ultimately be) even when the media (BBC, Al-Jezeera) say that it's reminiscenet of the Cold War era; the intention being to paint the Hungarians as tyrants for daring to not welcome with open arms all the diversity that has been blessed upon Western Europe.

Someone told me that they are trying to get to Germany, UK, France, Scandinavia as Hungary doesn't have the "generous welfare" and pathological post-colonial white guilt has been plaguing the West. So for that reason, Hungary is usually just a transit.

I'd like to know the epidemiology of the belief that was unquestionably handed to the West that there is a moral imperative to make all previously white nations non-white.

What I do know is that I am not against the migrants themselves at all. I am furious at the elites of nations that have caused the fallout in the middle east with endless wars for no fucking reason. This is completely unsustainable. Like a star that is about to implode due to it's massive size, I feel something is going to happen very soon, especially with this new Iran deal.

Quote: (08-08-2015 02:25 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

Regardless if it's to maintain birth rates and population growth (benevolent motives, as MidWest claims), the fact remains that it's not done democratically with the permission of the people.

No one ever asked Americans or Europeans for this. Ever. And if they were asked today, it's not hard to figure out what the answer would be. This alone suggests we're being taken advantage of.

This is the main issue. The majority of the populations of the countries suffering from mass illegal immigration never wanted this. They either vocally expressed their support, or simply weren't allowed to hold referendums by the EU.

Similarly in the US, no one asked for illegal immigration. No one asked for gay marriage, and when Americans actually did vote on the matter and refused to follow the script, it was simply outright ignored, and it passed anyway.

There is an NWO - or at least an NWO equivalent - that is working to undermine the West. They aren't subtle about it. Every single political event of note that happens anywhere only serves to advance marxism, never strengthening tradition.

Let's go down the checklist:

-Socialism and crushing debt so extreme it is the death warrant of millions
-Relentless attack on the nuclear family by leeching from the man of the house's resources, encouraging divorce, child custody only for women.
-The education system through Common Core and the universities designed to instill fear in all attending students. You have uniform faculty - every single professor who has tenure is the same liberal marxist except for the token black sheep who's a libertarian who pretended to be a liberal marxist until he got tenure, teaching philosophy, political theory, history, and civics. Every university has an Administrator of Campus Safety with disgusting and bitter old women trying to squeeze out false rape accusations.
-Sex reeducation. I graduated from my alma mater literally the year before they start their own Rape education program. Within the next three years, every single institution will have one.
-The entirety of mainstream culture, with Bruce Jenner being the latest and most damning example. Under this umbrella there is the empowerment of women, the destruction of masculinity, coordinating with the actual laws that are passed.
-The Supreme Court always choosing the ruling that defies the popular will and sabotages individual liberty and state power and maximizes federal power without fail, and even having control of bailouts of corporations.

Look at how broad these advancements in marxism are. It's not in one area like centralized government power and the IRS. It's everywhere and everything. Somehow all of these destructive forces - lobbies for LGBT freaks, illegal immigration, feminism, public education, centralization of government power, the undermining of state rights - they are all colluding and winning. The star of every single one is dominant.

This is not naturally-occurring incompetence. It's impossible that through a natural state of affairs the tyrants and subversives can only be geniuses, and on the side of liberty there are Down Syndrome people. In a culture in turmoil undergoing natural transition, there is going to be give and take. Instead, we have lots of engineered 'take', and where there was democratically decided to be 'give', such as rejection of gay marriage, that resistance has been crushed through brute force by the state. Over a hundred fifty million Mid-Westerners and Southerners live in the United States and it's like they don't even exist.

Quote: (08-08-2015 02:40 PM)mrbiggs Wrote:  

I'm currently in southern Hungary near the Serbian border and there are shitloads of migrants coming across everyday.

The Hungarians have enough sense to build a wall (however ineffective it will ultimately be) even when the media (BBC, Al-Jezeera) say that it's reminiscenet of the Cold War era; the intention being to paint the Hungarians as tyrants for daring to not welcome with open arms all the diversity that has been blessed upon Western Europe.

Someone told me that they are trying to get to Germany, UK, France, Scandinavia as Hungary doesn't have the "generous welfare" and pathological post-colonial white guilt has been plaguing the West. So for that reason, Hungary is usually just a transit.

I'd like to know the epidemiology of the belief that was unquestionably handed to the West that there is a moral imperative to make all previously white nations non-white.

What I do know is that I am not against the migrants themselves at all. I am furious at the elites of nations that have caused the fallout in the middle east with endless wars for no fucking reason. This is completely unsustainable. Like a star that is about to implode due to it's massive size, I feel something is going to happen very soon, especially with this new Iran deal.

A Hungarian colleague of mine(a journalist) is regularly posting up pro-immigration propaganda on social media, giving out about Orkan and how inhumane he is and any other countries that are building walls to try and deter the floods of migrants.
I've had some over and back debating with her on the issue, which was largely unsuccessful.
It seems there's no changing the minds of people who are heavily indoctrinated.
I posted this excellent article before, in the 'Camp of the Saints' thread, but here it is again for anyone that may have missed it.

Israel eliminated its illegal immigration issue and raised the Jewish birth rates. even seculars are about replacement.
Japan is probably investing in robotics for this reason as well.

So population replacement is a terrible argument. Especially since you have admitted to the "great replacement" narrative by using that justification.

Quote: (08-08-2015 03:19 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

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I'm back to the age-old question of 'who benefits?'.

Powerful people are actively aiming at crushing Western traditions in all their forms, and moving closer and closer to a far-left political system.

Do these people think that they will be the Apparatchiks of this new system?

I see the same system you do Cactus, I just have a hell of a time understanding the motivation.

Quote: (08-08-2015 04:40 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

It will quickly stop without mass murder by simply sinking the boats, which I think is unconscionable.

It would never happen as the media has ensured that the expeditionary forces have been downgraded from invader to immigrant to migrant.

The invaders have a more potent weapon than rifles and that is victimhood. This weakness has rendered the British impotent. Rotherham was covered up by the highest levels for 20 years.

Quote: (08-08-2015 05:13 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  

Israel eliminated its illegal immigration issue and raised the Jewish birth rates. even seculars are about replacement.
Japan is probably investing in robotics for this reason as well.

So population replacement is a terrible argument. Especially since you have admitted to the "great replacement" narrative by using that justification.

Israel is an awkward example given that if any political group in the West copied its policies for their nation's preservation, relatives of Israeli citizens in the West would be the first to denounce this 'Fascism'.

Quote: (08-10-2015 04:24 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

Quote: (08-08-2015 05:13 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  

Israel eliminated its illegal immigration issue and raised the Jewish birth rates. even seculars are about replacement.
Japan is probably investing in robotics for this reason as well.

So population replacement is a terrible argument. Especially since you have admitted to the "great replacement" narrative by using that justification.

Israel is an awkward example given that if any political group in the West copied its policies for their nation's preservation, relatives of Israeli citizens in the West would be the first to denounce this 'Fascism'.

True. I recall that a policy used by the Third Reich to encourage births was rejected for being a policy of the Third Reich. And no other reason.

Maybe Trump will bomb us back to the stone age once and for all.

Joking aside, from a Finnish perspective this is interesting.
During the last weeks the national media has stubbornly been pushing white guilt.
They even interviewed some boat refugees from the Mediterrian who in fact spoke out in national radio of "How to get to Finland illegally." Like a proper guide.

In short.
- Get to the northern part of Sweden and cross the unsurveilled border to Finland.
- Head to a Finnish second tier city.
- Find the police station, walk in and say "Asylum".
- Papers handed.

Now, we still take in a very small number of immigrants compared to other EU countries, but I don't like where the trend is going.

However, we have a geographical advantage compared to rest of Europe when talking about illegal immigrants.

1. It's furthest away from the Mediterrian.
2. 25% of our border is next to the ocean.
3. 25% of our land is bordering with Sweden and Norway, and that is in the densly populated areas in the far North. Not many people wanna live there.
4. The most important factor
We share more than a 1000km border with RUSSIA. That is probably the biggest filter for illegal African immigrants we will ever have. And it's working.

Nontheless during the last weeks we have had a few demonstrations for Multiculturalism and openess. Some voices were screaming loudly about an "open Finland" and for an opening of our borders for these Mediterrian boat refugees.

I attempted to call out these journalists in the national media and asked them
if they are aware that a "open Finland" also means a open border to Russia?
(Many Finns still suffer from Russophobia)

That question got censoured in the newspapers and on twitter nobody took the bait.

Bottomline for immigration to Finland:
All nationals from Africa and the Middle East are very much welcomed and Russians can go and fuck themselves.

I am so tired Europe sucking arab and african dicks because of white guilt...

I don't understand why so many people seem okay with the migrants ruining Europe. Is it really that accepted over there or is the media just portraying it as accepted?

They literally have photos of countless illegals marching in. At least in America, our illegals try to sneak in.

^ Media and governments are hyping it up.
At least in Northern Europe.

I have know idea what the headlines are in Southern Europe?

I don't believe it's incompetence. Any half-wit would know how to solve this problem: cut off benefits for them, put up physical barriers, and start getting rough with these people.

The democracy-makers on the left think that by changing the demographics they'll be able to take power forever and the business-oriented "right" are greedy amoral bastards who care nothing for the welfare of the people. They have enough money to fuck off elsewhere when things go to complete shit and then ruin their new host.

All the leftist racial agitating and the betrayal of the people may very well lead to an extreme right-wing backlash the likes of which the world hasn't seen in decades. Instead of being scared of this possibility and exercising caution they arrogantly proclaim it will never happen, but the rumblings have already begun.

Quote: (08-12-2015 12:04 PM)Mike5055 Wrote:  

I don't understand why so many people seem okay with the migrants ruining Europe. Is it really that accepted over there or is the media just portraying it as accepted?

They literally have photos of countless illegals marching in. At least in America, our illegals try to sneak in.

We were treated to an episode of 'Songs of Praise' filmed on set from a Calais invasion camp.

Songs of Praise is the UK's longest running Christian programme which is shown every Sunday dinner time. It reminds me of my late Christian grandmothers. Now it is a programme of 'faith'.

Readers of Camp of the Saints will be reminded of the 'priests in jeans' who ensured that the will of the French population was suitably undermined just prior to the main invasion of unarmed strength clothed in weakness.

Beware wolves clothed as sheep...

Speaking of Christian treason, has anyone seen this nonsense? As far as I'm concerned, the Pope has declared war on European peoples.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...48215.html

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Pope Francis has called the rejection of migrants fleeing violence “an act of war”.

Speaking to a youth group, he said the situation where desperate migrants were bounced from country to country seeking shelter was “an unresolved conflict... and this is war, this is violence, it’s called murder”.

In his speech on the island of Lampedusa in southern Italy the Pope called on European powers to do more to help the migrants that have been arriving on the island, according to the Gazzetta del Sud.

More than 2,000 migrants are believed to have died in the past eight months while making the journey across the treacherous Mediterranean sea in overfull, unseaworthy boats operated by people smugglers, according to Doctors Without Borders.

They are fleeing persecution, war and famine in their home countries with the majority from migrants believed to be from Eritrea, Syria and Afghanistan.

Many set off from Libya and capsize with charities such as DWB and Save the Children forced to sends boats to rescue them and bring them to Lampedusa or Sicily.

The British government has been particularly criticised for its handling of the migrant crisis in Calais as people, some of whom who have already made the dangerous Mediterranean crossing, attempt to board trains and lorries travelling through the Eurotunnel.

Prime Minister David Cameron in particular was called "racist" by the Deputy Mayor of Calais for calling the migrants "a swarm".

He said the comments showed his "ignorance of the situation".

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond caused further controversy on Sunday when he told the BBC he believed "marauding" migrants threatened the British "standard of living". Amnesty International condemned the remarks saying they were "mean spirited" and "shameful".

Pope Francis has called the rejection of migrants fleeing violence “an act of war”.

Speaking to a youth group, he said the situation where desperate migrants were bounced from country to country seeking shelter was “an unresolved conflict... and this is war, this is violence, it’s called murder”.

In his speech on the island of Lampedusa in southern Italy the Pope called on European powers to do more to help the migrants that have been arriving on the island, according to the Gazzetta del Sud.

More than 2,000 migrants are believed to have died in the past eight months while making the journey across the treacherous Mediterranean sea in overfull, unseaworthy boats operated by people smugglers, according to Doctors Without Borders. An Italian coast guard officer helps Syrian refugees from Kobani in the port of Kos following a rescue mission off the Greek island of Kos August 10, 2015. An Italian coast guard officer helps Syrian refugees from Kobani in the port of Kos following a rescue mission off the Greek island.

They are fleeing persecution, war and famine in their home countries with the majority from migrants believed to be from Eritrea, Syria and Afghanistan.

Many set off from Libya and capsize with charities such as DWB and Save the Children forced to sends boats to rescue them and bring them to Lampedusa or Sicily. A Frontex helicopter patrols over a Syrian child that has just arrived at a beach at the Greek island of Lesvos, August 10, 2015 A Frontex helicopter patrols over a Syrian child that has just arrived at a beach at the Greek island of Lesvos, August 10, 2015

The British government has been particularly criticised for its handling of the migrant crisis in Calais as people, some of whom who have already made the dangerous Mediterranean crossing, attempt to board trains and lorries travelling through the Eurotunnel.

Prime Minister David Cameron in particular was called "racist" by the Deputy Mayor of Calais for calling the migrants "a swarm".

He said the comments showed his "ignorance of the situation". Migrants run on the shuttle tracks after they succeeded to jump over the fences and avoid the French patrols on the outskirts of Calais. Migrants run on the shuttle tracks after they succeeded to jump over the fences and avoid the French patrols on the outskirts of Calais.

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond caused further controversy on Sunday when he told the BBC he believed "marauding" migrants threatened the British "standard of living". Amnesty International condemned the remarks saying they were "mean spirited" and "shameful".

In June, the Pope said countries that turn away migrants would need to seek forgiveness from God for their actions.

In his weekly audience in Vatican City he said: “I invite you all to ask forgiveness for the persons and the institutions who close the door to these people who are seeking a family, who are seeking to be protected.”

In 2013, he gave Christmas presents to 2,000 immigrants in a shelter near the Vatican.

Each of the gift packages sent to the Dono di Maria shelter in Rome contained a Christmas card signed by the Pope, a pre-paid international calling card and a free day pass on the metro in Rome.

Quote: (08-12-2015 12:33 PM)Chaos Wrote:  

^ Media and governments are hyping it up.
At least in Northern Europe.

I have know idea what the headlines are in Southern Europe?

The Fall of Kos. A bankrupt Greek government lead by Communists, who have as expected submitted to international finance as international Communists are wont to do, cannot resist Turkey's Muslim exports when Kos is closer to Turkey than to the Greek mainland.

Meanwhile, in Greece, Syriza is allowing thousands of illegal aliens to rampage through the island of Kos.

https://xaameriki.wordpress.com/2015/08/...s-injured/

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The Mayor of Kos, Mr. Kiritsis made the following statement: “This is the last warning I will direct to the state. On Kos more than 7,000 illegal immigrants have gathered, managing the problem is no longer possible. I am warning that the danger of bloodshed and for us to be lead into uncontrollable situations is real.”

"The government must assume its responsibilities: -To immediately transfer, by ship and with assistance of the Navy even, the 7,000 illegal immigrants from Kos. –special police forces to address potential incidents but also extreme situations, must immediately come to Kos. The myth with the identification process must end.”

“Kos with 7,000 illegal immigrants and 600-800 arriving daily can’t carry out identification. They must get it through their heads. -There must be patrols of our sea boarder, how many illegal immigrants can Kos withstand? How many can Greece withstand? The Municipality of Kos made an effort, and attempted to transfer the identification process to the stadium, we tried to substitute for a state which has been absent from addressing the problem. However, it has been proven that the problem can no longer be managed. The Prime Minister must resolve the problem by day’s end.”

"the danger of bloodshed and for us to be lead into uncontrollable situations is real.”

^^^ Might as well get the party started. I'm surprised it's taken this long.

This can't be worse than what Europeans done to other nations for hundreds of years.

These refugees are not colonizing anybody, they are not stealing natural resources,they are not shipping human beings to enslave them, they are not stopping locals from speaking their languages in their own country, they are not taking elite jobs or government jobs, they are simply trying to improve their lives.

Interesting that it was Europeans who started this immigration process and now they don't like that other nations have started to do the same. If you invade someone's house and steal everything from their home or even disrupt their home system, don't be surprised if they come to your house.

Food for thought.

^^^^ bullshit, if you think Africa would've been fine and prosperous without colonialism you're being willfully blind. again, the idea of punishing one's ancestors for shit that happened decades or even centuries ago is ridiculous. They have plenty of land and space to build up their own countries but they don't.

Quote: (08-12-2015 03:41 PM)pitt Wrote:  

This can't be worse than what Europeans done to other nations for hundreds of years.

These refugees are not colonizing anybody, they are not stealing natural resources,they are not shipping human beings to enslave them, they are not stopping locals from speaking their languages in their own country, they are not taking elite jobs or government jobs, they are simply trying to improve their lives.

Interesting that it was Europeans who started this immigration process and now they don't like that other nations have started to do the same. If you invade someone's house and steal everything from their home or even disrupt their home system, don't be surprised if they come to your house.

Food for thought.

Europe should've just left those noble souls alone so they could live their superior sacred traditional lifestyles in tune with nature.

Because they did not, they totally deserve having their homelands overrun today.

Quote: (08-12-2015 03:50 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

^^^^ bullshit, if you think Africa would've been fine and prosperous without colonialism you're being willfully blind.

Wait a minute, are you telling me that colonialism and slavery was actually a good thing for Africa?

Quote: (08-12-2015 03:41 PM)pitt Wrote:  

This can't be worse than what Europeans done to other nations for hundreds of years.

These refugees are not colonizing anybody, they are not stealing natural resources,they are not shipping human beings to enslave them, they are not stopping locals from speaking their languages in their own country, they are not taking elite jobs or government jobs, they are simply trying to improve their lives.

Interesting that it was Europeans who started this immigration process and now they don't like that other nations have started to do the same. If you invade someone's house and steal everything from their home or even disrupt their home system, don't be surprised if they come to your house.

Food for thought.

@Pitt On a surface level, yes you're right, the immigrants are just availing of Europe's willingness to let them walk/sail in, in order to find greener pastures.
The thing to realise though is this wasn't the European people who decided to colonise other countries or indeed to start inviting them in on the Windrush or as Gastarbeiters.
It was the elites who decided this, the other > 95% of European people had absolutely no say in this.
And it is the elites who bear no cost for all of what's happening now, Joe Public has to carry the can.
Has to pay more taxes, endures more stressed health and public services, sees his cities and towns getting increasingly 'diversified', and the associated problems that stem from this enforced diversity.
Also, the simple fact is that by pursuing this soft touch approach, Europe only exacerbates the problem by encouraging more and more migrants to come, as they see that Europe won't turn them back once they arrive.

Pitt - Zimbabwe and south Africa have deteriorated significantly since the colonialists were removed from power. and you added the 'slavery' part for shock effect even though I didn't even mention it.

From what I've read, Somalia was a nice place in the 60s when the Italians were in charge of it. Look what has happened since lol.