Quote: (08-08-2015 07:31 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

Am I really on RVF or is this some loony conspiracy forum? Can we not associate the general poverty and instability in Africa + fall of Gadhafi and general lack of control in that region + the european promise as a better life as a result of these migrations? Does it have to be alien reptilian elites or whatever, really?!

Even if one accepts your formula, what remains to be explained is why the European political elite is failing to stop the migration and sometimes doing a great deal to facilitate it. Perhaps this is due to incompetence or acquiescence, but it seems fairly implausible that the betrayal doesn't involve willful decisions on the part of Europe's so-called leaders.

Quote: (08-08-2015 07:31 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

Am I really on RVF or is this some loony conspiracy forum? Can we not associate the general poverty and instability in Africa + fall of Gadhafi and general lack of control in that region + the european promise as a better life as a result of these migrations? Does it have to be alien reptilian elites or whatever, really?!

No, the migrants' motivation is quite logical and no one has issues with that. The issue is with politicians and their wealthy campaign backers ("elites") intentionally not doing anything to stop it.

Quote: (08-08-2015 07:25 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

It seems this way.

But why?

What's the point?

The point is to completely break down the historic European nations and genocide white European peoples through a combination of demographic replacement, reduced birth rate, miscegenation and inter-ethnic violence. Europe will then be ruled as a single governmental entity, similar to the United States, with a population of mixed-race mongrels that have no cultural history or traditions of their own. Absent these cultural and national foundations, the population will be much more amenable to globalist government and cheap consumerist lifestyles that enrich and empower the ruling class. The same process is underway in the United States via massive illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America.

This is the basis of the plan for the coming New World Order global government. If you think that's a conspiracy theory, you're gravely mistaken. The globalist elite talk openly about it at this point. Their goal is to eventually erase borders entirely and unite the world into a single interconnected political and economic system. Nationalism and historic ethnic identity are major obstacles for the globalists, which is why they are attacking them through third world immigration.

Europe Paralyzed As Migrant Deaths Mount

Its starting to get quite serious now. There are now refugees seen on the streets of Kent. Take in mind Kent is a very normal 'middle england' suburban county. I am genuinely wondering what the reaction of the general public is. As you aren't' going to receive a correct estimation from the media. People have been pointing out that the media and charities have been almost legitimising the presence of illegal refugee camps on the border, by building schools, discos, mosques there.

I think people here have been watching a bit too much Alex Jones.

I would assume the New World Order has better ways of putting immigrants in Europe, that do not involve dingy boats and precarious encampments in Calais. If people here understood a modicum of International Relations this NWO talk would be openly laughed about. But it seems the important thing is propagating the echo chamber of doom...

Are european governments incompetent considering the incentives they give to certain migrants and refugees? Absolutely. Should it be changed? Should we get out of this PC clusterfuck maze? Yes indeed!

But from there to a NWO is a long stretch.

Quote: (08-08-2015 09:44 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

I think people here have been watching a bit too much Alex Jones.

I would assume the New World Order has better ways of putting immigrants in Europe, that do not involve dingy boats and precarious encampments in Calais. If people here understood a modicum of International Relations this NWO talk would be openly laughed about. But it seems the important thing is propagating the echo chamber of doom...

Are european governments incompetent considering the incentives they give to certain migrants and refugees? Absolutely. Should it be changed? Should we get out of this PC clusterfuck maze? Yes indeed!

But from there to a NWO is a long stretch.

I try not to give much time to "conspiracy theories".

However, I just cannot believe that our politicians are willing to destroy the fabric of the UK (and that is what's happening, like it or not), just to increase their left leaning (immigrants always seem to vote Labour for the handouts) voter base.

So there has to be something else going on!

Every man and his dog can see, feel and knows the solution to the problem; that our political class are somehow blind to this seems unlikely.

Quote: (08-08-2015 08:48 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (08-08-2015 07:25 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

It seems this way.

But why?

What's the point?

The point is to completely break down the historic European nations and genocide white European peoples through a combination of demographic replacement, reduced birth rate, miscegenation and inter-ethnic violence. Europe will then be ruled as a single governmental entity, similar to the United States, with a population of mixed-race mongrels that have no cultural history or traditions of their own. Absent these cultural and national foundations, the population will be much more amenable to globalist government and cheap consumerist lifestyles that enrich and empower the ruling class. The same process is underway in the United States via massive illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America.

This is the basis of the plan for the coming New World Order global government. If you think that's a conspiracy theory, you're gravely mistaken. The globalist elite talk openly about it at this point. Their goal is to eventually erase borders entirely and unite the world into a single interconnected political and economic system. Nationalism and historic ethnic identity are major obstacles for the globalists, which is why they are attacking them through third world immigration.

As much as I hate the thought of it, this makes sense.

Just like the Euro crisis was always going to happen due to lack of monetary policy harmony. The creators of the EU and the Euro knew this all along.

I always knew the aim of the Euro was to force EU wide (German) government and monetary control. How I didn't equate this to cultural hegemony through immigration I don't know

Europe has to change, the welfare system itself is not sustainable and has to change, adapt, shrink. We must not be led by the destructive PC culture or the hidden wonders of multiculturalism. What is lacking at the moment is political courage, and above all the pragmatism to make the required decisions. I don't really think those things will come, we'll be filled with pseudo half solutions that will never have a real impact.

It shouldn't be hard to stop this, how are mobs of people, breaking fences and trespassing normally dealt with? Riot police. That's all it would take, some riot police. They don't even need to be armed, just tear gas, shields, helmets, batons. And if somehow that didn't work, then you bring in armed police or the army.

So why isn't that being done? is it some sort of problem between France and the UK as Calais is not really our property to do that? or is this actually a large EU plan?

There's some evidence that there's a taxpayer funded EU scheme to pay for these people to travel to Britain. There was something in the Daily Express or Independent about that not too long ago. I don't know whether to believe this is some long term secret EU plan or not, but it is seeming more and more likely.

I wouldn't say the biggest obstacle is material. Simply "ideological" . It's PC think. They do not want to be seen as "Fortress Europe" or any term of the kind, the EU has Human Rights as one of it's Mantras. Kicking immigrants in the butt would be politically incoherent....

Quote: (08-08-2015 09:44 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

I think people here have been watching a bit too much Alex Jones.

I would assume the New World Order has better ways of putting immigrants in Europe, that do not involve dingy boats and precarious encampments in Calais. If people here understood a modicum of International Relations this NWO talk would be openly laughed about. But it seems the important thing is propagating the echo chamber of doom...

Are european governments incompetent considering the incentives they give to certain migrants and refugees? Absolutely. Should it be changed? Should we get out of this PC clusterfuck maze? Yes indeed!

But from there to a NWO is a long stretch.

These immigration issues have very simple solutions. Additionally, the public is broadly opposed to this immigration, even in the face of enormous multicultural propaganda. So implementing solutions to the immigration problem would be extremely easy if the elites wanted to do so. The fact that these solutions are not being implemented by the ruling class means that they have no desire to stop the immigration, which means it is intentional. There is no plausible reason to intentionally allow unchecked illegal immigration into a country unless the goal is to do severe damage to that country. It is impossible to believe that massive third world immigration into the U.S. and Europe will somehow be a net positive for those countries. The goal is destruction. Immigration is being used as a weapon; a cultural, national and racial destroyer aimed at European peoples.

What are the NWO's plans for these countries? Or it doesn't matter because they aren't really white?

Quote: (08-08-2015 10:25 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  




What are the NWO's plans for these countries? Or it doesn't matter because they aren't really white?

What exactly are you trying to say besides:

You guys are all idiots.

Politicians are incompetent.

I'm the only one who knows what's really going on.

Quote: (08-08-2015 10:25 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  




What are the NWO's plans for these countries? Or it doesn't matter because they aren't really white?

If you can't see the difference between these figures and what's going on in Europe there is no hope...

I agree with most of the premises but the conclusion is far-fetched and doesn't take into account other political factors that I have previously mentioned per example, it has a lot of political coherence in it. Or lack thereof. And some european countries have already taken measures against immigration anyway. Many of the applicants come from countries the West has bombed. Iraq, Afghanistan, whatever. This does not mean we have to bear with them, it's simply another reason why the problem exists.

The issue of immigrants is mostly related with unstable, jobless countries, they are faced with the choice of stabler, safer countries, with a generous social security system, to me this choice seems like a no brainer. If you remove the motivations for them to come and leech off, what is left?

Quote: (08-08-2015 10:22 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (08-08-2015 09:44 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

I think people here have been watching a bit too much Alex Jones.

I would assume the New World Order has better ways of putting immigrants in Europe, that do not involve dingy boats and precarious encampments in Calais. If people here understood a modicum of International Relations this NWO talk would be openly laughed about. But it seems the important thing is propagating the echo chamber of doom...

Are european governments incompetent considering the incentives they give to certain migrants and refugees? Absolutely. Should it be changed? Should we get out of this PC clusterfuck maze? Yes indeed!

But from there to a NWO is a long stretch.

These immigration issues have very simple solutions. Additionally, the public is broadly opposed to this immigration, even in the face of enormous multicultural propaganda. So implementing solutions to the immigration problem would be extremely easy if the elites wanted to do so. The fact that these solutions are not being implemented by the ruling class means that they have no desire to stop the immigration, which means it is intentional. There is no plausible reason to intentionally allow unchecked illegal immigration into a country unless the goal is to do severe damage to that country. It is impossible to believe that massive third world immigration into the U.S. and Europe will somehow be a net positive for those countries. The goal is destruction. Immigration is being used as a weapon; a cultural, national and racial destroyer aimed at European peoples.

If I started throwing baseballs at your head and you refused to put on the helmet that was sitting right next to you, what are people on the sidelines supposed to think except that you are intentionally allowing yourself to be hit in the head by my baseballs?

The origin of the immigration problem is completely irrelevant. All that matters is the obvious fact that the solutions to it, which are extremely simple and politically popular, are not being implemented. This tells you all you need to know about immigration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

That was quick.

I don't really think Iraq or Afghanistan are close enough to the UK geographically to use that as a reason...

We haven't invaded Pakistan or Somalia recently I don't think...

I do not dispute that the EU is being incompetent, it seems that point hasn't quite come across...

What I dispute is the white-genocide, NWO, whatever you all want to call it, theory. There are a great deal of other factors that influence this decision making, other than the atom bomb that is the white-genocide for NWO domination agenda.

Quote: (08-08-2015 08:03 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

Germany has both the public support and logistical capabilities to stop this madness. It's not the reluctance of politicians to stop the coming tidal wave, it's a voluntary and enthusiastic willingness of government, media, and the left-wing to clear a path for it.

Our political leaders are very obvious no german patriots. Chancellor Merkel even removed a german flag a party member celebrated with:






Considering the NSA scandal and how it is handled (no actions by our government) I think it is logical to assume that Germany is controlled by the US.

e: Merkel is even considered as conservative, she is Chancellor since 2005. So it makes no sense to blame the left parties only.

The last Labour government are on record saying they wanted 'to rub the Right's nose' in it (immigration). I think what we are seeing now is simply a system out of control, having been swamped under Labour, and a soft government who were elected on a wishy-washy mandate. They were not elected on a pledge to 'do whatever is necessary', and what is necessary is probably pretty unpleasant if it is to have any effect. Consequently, they dab around the issue, and make little progress.

I don't personally find the idea of a NWO particularly compelling. I know a few MPs socially, and have been exposed to many more consequently. I am perfectly content in my own mind to attribute the direction we are heading in to their ineptitude, rather than any sinister conspiracy. It's not even that they are bad people, or that they are lacking in any recognisable talent, it's simply that the scale of the problem is so vast, and they lack the experience or the will power to take the steps necessary to restore some kind of sanity to the system.

I also think a fundamental problem is that the French are hardly willing to do anything serious to stop the illegals. It is in their interests for the illegals to find their way to Britain, as it stops them being their problem. This is part of the problem with Europe more generally - all countries are stretched to breaking point with public services as it is, and so there is very little sense in them struggling to keep illegals within their own borders. I don't think it is a globalist conspiracy, I just think most countries are bloody relieved for the illegals not to be their problem any more when they head across the borders.

Equally, it's a fairly uncontroversial statement to suggest the corporations are out of control. But again, I don't believe they are colluding with politicians to flood Europe and kill whitey. When you hear business leaders come out and say they are against leaving the EU, that is the kind of thing that's going on in the background too, although more frankly. Of course, they welcome the cheap labour (and cheap nannies and gardeners), and make more money at the top consequently. The trouble for government is that they can't afford to alienate these guys, or see their banks and businesses go bust. Our entire economic model is predicated on the grasping materialism of the masses, an the general ineptitude of most in society to perform functions our recent ancestors would regard as basic. When a very few people control food retail, finance, pharmaceuticals etc, it is inevitable that their voice will hold an incredible sway over a country's political direction. This is not, in my view, the inevitable result of 'the elite's' NWO, but rather the final stages of a broken and unworkable system.

We are all so reliant on giant corporations for our standard of every day living, that the government has to pander to them slightly, as any failing in one of them would likely have a domino effect, and the thin veneer of civilized life would be ripped away, causing serious social unrest and possible anarchy. Again, it's not that 'sinister' (I mean, it is fucking terrible that we've allowed ourselves to get into this position), it is just the obvious conclusion of a failed economic and social model.

Quote: (08-08-2015 10:40 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

That was quick.

If you don't understand the difference between a straw man and an analogy, I'm not surprised you can't apprehend what's actually going on with immigration. You're out of your depth here.

And now come the ad-homs. It is always the next step.

Quote: (08-08-2015 11:10 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (08-08-2015 10:40 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

That was quick.

If you don't understand the difference between a straw man and an analogy, I'm not surprised you can't apprehend what's actually going on with immigration. You're out of your depth here.

Quote: (08-08-2015 11:12 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

And now come the ad-homs. It is always the next step.

Quote: (08-08-2015 11:10 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (08-08-2015 10:40 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

That was quick.

If you don't understand the difference between a straw man and an analogy, I'm not surprised you can't apprehend what's actually going on with immigration. You're out of your depth here.

Right where you started when you entered this thread.