[MMM]

Game teaches us that one should approach a target woman quickly, i.e., the three-second rule. That really sunk in the other day. I saw a girl I liked, made eye contact, approached without hesitation and eventually number closed. Thinking back, objectively speaking, I was not the alpha male of the group within that room. However, I think the confidence to approach and engage considerably lifted my status, at least in her eyes. I suppose it works this way: (1) as the female hind brain processes the idea that because he approached without hesitation, he is the alpha male of the group (see, Bang); and (2) the female rationalization hamster thinks “yes, because he chose to approach ME (in all my entitled glory), he MUST be the alpha male of the group.” All the more reason to approach quickly, as well as the third rationale of simply not giving yourself time to be nervous!

[MiXX]

Good way to rationalize it. Bottom Line: who gives a shit what goes on in her mind...just approach, and do not give a fuck about the results of doing so!

Now, the next step would be for you to NOT collect/exchange phone numbers until you have built a solid connection and she has made a significant emotional investment in connecting with you. A few laughs, a couple of smiles and giggles in 10 minutes will not do it. If you see a target, get her to invest at least 30 minutes connecting with you, those are the ones that escalate to sex quickly.


Otherwise, you end up with a black book that makes for a very nice paperweight.


Mixx

[MMM]

(12-09-2011 10:14 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Good way to rationalize it. Bottom Line: who gives a shit what goes on in her mind...just approach, and do not give a fuck about the results of doing so!

Now, the next step would be for you to NOT collect/exchange phone numbers until you have built a solid connection and she has made a significant emotional investment in connecting with you. A few laughs, a couple of smiles and giggles in 10 minutes will not do it. If you see a target, get her to invest at least 30 minutes connecting with you, those are the ones that escalate to sex quickly.


Otherwise, you end up with a black book that makes for a very nice paperweight.


Mixx

Absolutely, probably a third of my number closes go nowhere. This was a situation where I had to get back to work and time was very limited. Which raises another issue, approaching and maintaining a pipeline is a time intensive thing! Its like a part time job. Fortunately, you get paid handsomely, heh heh.

[Moma]

I would like to see if I need to mod my club game or maybe the venues that I go in Toronto are as dead as wool.

I went out to Branthouse yesterday. Thursdays are supposed to be good. No goofball lizards from Whitby, Oshawa etc, shacked up with friends and not down for the SNL.
All locals.
Last night, the club was swarming with beta males. Drunk, hollaring blindly at lizards and doing extra goofy dances, stepping repeatedly on toes.
One cat decided to work my gut with these playful one two jabs for about 10 seconds. I glared at him in disbelief.
His friends patted me on the shoulder in embarrassment and said "Please excuse him"
I opened up on some lizards. An Indian (or Pakistani or Sri) walked by, I reached out and snared her by the elbow.
She shook her head and stepped.
I grabbed another and another. No eye contact.
I saw a very shapely Eastern European (serbian). I started talking to her, her vibe was indifferent and I was cockblocked by her Venezulean female friend with Asian eyes.

My question is: If the lizard is giving you one word answers and asking no questions, after how long do you discard her?

These days if less than a minute goes by without any genuine interest on my end, I don't even bother to excuse myself and I just move on to the next.
For you experienced club hitters, is that a good strategy?

My wing is a very good opener and likes to hang about and then collect numbers. I have ZERO interest in numbers these days.
They rarely lead to anything and I am BORED talking to these drones.

Any suggestions?

[misterstir]

If she is giving you 1 word answers then she probably is not going to fuck you in a reasonably (under 1 month) time frame... so the logic of this board says to move on, as woman who withhold from you initially will withhold the whole way through or until you open them up. On the other hand few posters here have picked up in Toronto, and if you picked up in Toronto 5-10 years ago it doesn't count, the woman have changed markedly. 7 years ago women use to run up to me, hug, grind on, start talking to me, hitting on me etc. It still happens but less less LESS frequently. I'd also suggest try gaming in the lower income areas, the north west side (north york) seems to have the most open women and also a good mix of hot latinas, italians and the blacks.

It also depends on how much you like the girl. Normally though, my opinion is no man ever gets good pussy unless the woman makes it easy for him. Sure you might be able to get those bratty or 1 word type girls to open up, but if the are cold and holding back on just talking, do you think they are going to give great bjs and not hold back in sex = probably not. So it is buyer beware because her heart won't be in it.

Imagine if a girl came up to you who you were not particularly interested in fucking. She was not fat or ugly, but good looking enough to have sex with and not get made fun of. You may eventually have sex with her, but the kind of sex you give her is not going to be the kind of sex you give a girl who you think is a 10 and you are lucky to score - understand.

[tomtud]

Moma, you went to that pretentious club branthouse where the doormen are (fill in blank here for rude comment) one day they all know you, the next wknd they don't.....f'n incredible!!!!

But in that place you can work it, just keep pushing. Not everyday is Christmas though.

Since the lizards were givin you 1 word answers, that pretty much sums up the not interested vibe. Move on bro,,, NEXT!!!!

[The Lesser Evil]

(12-09-2011 10:14 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Now, the next step would be for you to NOT collect/exchange phone numbers until you have built a solid connection and she has made a significant emotional investment in connecting with you. A few laughs, a couple of smiles and giggles in 10 minutes will not do it.


Mixx

+1. You want her to understand the she's been blessed by having caught the attention of God (You). And you have the ability to a bring pleasure or pain to her at your whim.

[Only One Man]

This three second rule makes a shitload of sense.

[CJ]

The more I go on, the more I really don't give a fuck about any 'game rule', I just do what works for me.

I always thought the 3 second rule made you seem too eager, and was only really appropriate for street game or crowded places where you might not see the girl again.

If it works for you, then use it with reckless abandon.

[dulst]

I'd give it 5 minutes before bailing, then going for the "it was nice meeting you" line in Roosh's last email. If she was interested but bad at conveying it, as opposed to not being interested at all, she might go for a number. Otherwise, on to the next one.