[dotbiz]

Preface
Standing at the bar of a big club, I opened an 8 with a situational opener, but didn't manage to spark up a conversation with her. About 30min later I saw her standing alone, approached her and was able to build some rapport with her. It turned out she has a bf since 7 years. I didn't bother about it since we got along very well and b/c she's one of the hottest chicks in the club I'm getting eye fucked by other chicks more often than usual. Social proof ftw! Anyway, I get some kino going, she reciprocates. When leaving I number close her and we agree to hang out together soon.

I text her one or two days later, but she doesn't reply (later I learned she texted me back but I never received the msg, fuck my cell phone provider!), so I don't send another msg. Approx. one week later she adds me on Facebook and sends me a fb msg which I somehow overlook and therefore don't reply to.

About a month later, it's Saturday, she texts me asking what I'm up to this night. I tell her the club I'm going and that she's welcome to join. My plan is to use her as social proof for approaching other girls. We're getting some drinks, me acting aloof and in a fun mood. Building emotional connection b/c it turns out we're both having birthday in a couple of days at the same date. We agree to go for dinner together that night b/c her bf will have some classes then. She orders some more drinks and soon she starts some kino on me. From then on it's easy game: teasing, negging, kino, acting aloof etc. I take her home, close the deal and bring her back to her bf (they life together) on Sunday at 4pm...

During the week we have our birthday dinner. We make out in my car and I drive her home.

The following Saturday she wants to see me again. I pick her up, we party together and I take her home at the end of the night.

My question
While driving her home I tell her that we shouldn't see each other again although I want to (push & pull). This is partially true b/c I'd easily put her in my all-time top 5. I'm starting to feel emotionally connected to her and additionally I can't remember a girl that smelled as good as she does... definitely chemistry going on.
She says she understands, but that she can't stop it right now and that I have to be the one to enforce this.

FYI:

• She swears that in seven years she has never cheated on her bf before and that she never felt such a connection to a man before etc. We all know how women can lie, therefore it might be true or false.
• All this is happening in Switzerland. IMHO acting too alpha decreases chances with many women because they're not yet as masculine as the US girls.
• She's 27, I'm in my 30ies.
• It's been 4 weeks since our last night. I have never texted her, but replied to her when she texted me approx. 3 weeks ago. Today she sent me an sms telling me that she often thinks about me and that she's never heard something from me again. Also saying that she'd love to see me again.
  

Now I know I don't want a gf that's capable of cheating like that (she's telling me how she's thinking about me while having sex with her bf etc). She knows that as well (we talked about that) and she has another flaw that I don't want in a LTR, which she also knows.
So my goal is to establish her as a fuck buddy and if somehow possible use her for social proof while sarging.

Questions:

1. How do I go about keeping her into me for as long as possible? I'd like to spend one night with her per month. This way I would not invest too much time and emotion into her. Unlike other girls she's (hopefully) not going to fall in love or want a LTR, that's why I'm positive that I can keep her in the rotation for a long time if I play it right!
2. Regarding using her as wing woman: I fear she wouldn't want me to succeed anyway and judging by her personality I think it might turn her off when seeing me approaching/gaming other girls. When we met she told me unlike with other men she didn't feel uncomfortable or like I was hitting on her. In fact I was, but I told her that I'm just being social to everybody Additionally, in her words, she likes that I don't exploit the fact that I could have plenty of girls
   So goal #2 conflicts with #1 because her seeing me opening many girls, sometimes getting rejected etc will probably end in her not seeing me as the special one - that I am in her eyes atm - anymore.
3. I'll wait for one day before replying to her sms from today. Since I have already plans for the weekend I won't be able to meet her. Should I set a date for the following weekend (I almost never go out during the week, I don't have the time & desire to swoop 100+ girls a year )? Although I'll come up with my own response I'm still interested in hearing how you would reply!
   

[el mechanico]

I don't know about this one. It sounds like you want her to be your GF and don't at the same time. Keep in mind that this is how most girls hook up. They stay with their BF until a better one comes along. In my case I'm way over all this and would just take whatever I wanted from her until it imploded. If you want to keep her in the rotation stop going out with her. Hook ups for sex only and some drinks maybe then sex. If you want more than that you may have a new girl full time on your hands and issues with her BF.

Hope he doesn't have Balkan power in that case you're screwed.

[Virtus]

it is not unheard of for women to want to jump ship and start fucking on the side before breaking up with their bf's / husbands ...

just saying

especially if it's been 7 years

[dotbiz]

@el mechanico: I'd want her as GF if she wasn't cheating like that and if one other attribute of her personality was better. She was checking me out and considering me for BF qualities, I saw her hamster wheel spinning when she saw my car and flat and learned that I run two companies. But I was open about me disliking her flaws and now she knows she'd possibly not be able to keep me. Therefore she says she's not ready to leave her BF and that she's afraid of leaving the safety of the VLTR (very LTR). I'm positive I could win her over if I'd give her the feeling that I really want her. But I don't.

I believe the going-out-together part is very important to her, because her BF doesn't go out with her at all. She mentioned to me how much she enjoys going out with me (and experiencing my game ). Also I believe it's building a deeper connection between us which will hopefully result in a longer affair. As long as I don't show her that I want her for sure she won't leave her BF for me, she's too rational. No danger from that side.

I'm not worried at all, although he's way taller than me I'd say he's a typical beta. And beside that I'm in shape and also do muay thai.

@calihunter: Yeah, i got that feeling with her. As mentioned above, I think she realized that I'm not the kind of provider her BF is.

[ElJefe]

(04-19-2012 04:11 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

it is not unheard of for women to want to jump ship and start fucking on the side before breaking up with their bf's / husbands ...

just saying

especially if it's been 7 years

Absolutey, especially the "sweet" girls who seem the most innocent will do this. It's a thing to see

[Parlay44]

The only girls you want as girlfriends are the ones that bring up the topic of a relationship first. Don't ever bring it up. Just be cool and hit it once in a while.

When a woman feels that you like her she'll do one of 2 things:

1. Get bored and move on.

2. See how far you'll go to chase her. ...ie milk you for attention, drinks, dinners, gifts all while withholding sex.

[dotbiz]

(04-19-2012 04:55 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Absolutey, especially the "sweet" girls who seem the most innocent will do this. It's a thing to see

That's a good point! When she was sleeping I looked at her cute face and was wondering how she can be so indifferent about cheating on her BF.

[dotbiz]

(04-19-2012 05:04 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

The only girls you want as girlfriends are the ones that bring up the topic of a relationship first. Don't ever bring it up. Just be cool and hit it once in a while.

When a woman feels that you like her she'll do one of 2 things:

1. Get bored and move on.

2. See how far you'll go to chase her. ...ie milk you for attention, drinks, dinners, gifts all while withholding sex.

This is something I changed in my behavior recently. Earlier I brought up the topic first, usually trying to settle for an affair. Now I just wait. It's funny because I have a young student in my rotation which I've been seeing weekly for the past month and I was already wondering when she'll bring up the topic.

[HiFlo]

take her for your own girlfriend.

she's obviously not happy in her relationship. you'd be doing her a favor before she wastes her entire youthful life stuck with the same dude.

[Parlay44]

(04-19-2012 05:12 PM)dotbiz Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 05:04 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

The only girls you want as girlfriends are the ones that bring up the topic of a relationship first. Don't ever bring it up. Just be cool and hit it once in a while.

When a woman feels that you like her she'll do one of 2 things:

1. Get bored and move on.

2. See how far you'll go to chase her. ...ie milk you for attention, drinks, dinners, gifts all while withholding sex.

This is something I changed in my behavior recently. Earlier I brought up the topic first, usually trying to settle for an affair. Now I just wait. It's funny because I have a young student in my rotation which I've been seeing weekly for the past month and I was already wondering when she'll bring up the topic.

What I like to do is tell a girl how pretty her friend is. It drives her friend's value up and her value down.
But as for her ...I only compliment things that take effort on her part. Ohh I like your earrings, dress, nails,
shoes, how you did your hair. You look nice tonight ...etc.(Subtext: You usually look like shit)

[Mujeriego]

(04-19-2012 06:07 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

take her for your own girlfriend.

she's obviously not happy in her relationship. you'd be doing her a favor before she wastes her entire youthful life stuck with the same dude.

Paging Captain-Save-a-Ho.

[Veloce]

(04-19-2012 05:05 PM)dotbiz Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 04:55 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Absolutey, especially the "sweet" girls who seem the most innocent will do this. It's a thing to see

That's a good point! When she was sleeping I looked at her cute face and was wondering how she can be so indifferent about cheating on her BF.

Sounds like you have her on a slight pedestal. You are correct in assuming this girl would do the same thing with you, so why would you pursue her as a girlfriend?

Here's what I would do if I had a top 5 hottie pursuing me:

Let her believe whatever she wants to believe. I'd tell her something like, "Hey, I've been busy the last few weeks, yeah lets get together." And don't bring up any heavy shit like the conversation you had about not letting things go further etc...don't talk about "what could be" or "what should be". Keep things light. Meet her for a drink, fuck her, and if she brings up any heavy shit or asks questions like, "So what does this mean?" "Where are you at?" "What do you want?" your reply should be something like, "Honestly, I enjoy hanging out with you. Whatever happens with us stays between us and if you have some outside business to take care of, you're enough of an adult to handle that on your own." Boom, her attraction just shot up and she'll more than likely break up with her bf to jump on the next vine in the jungle. This is where you let her believe what she wants to believe. While she's ditching dead weight, you're keeping your options open and have other pursuits as well that she absolutely does not need to know about. Keep fucking her and treat her like the fucktoy she is, get away with as much as you can from her, make her pay for dates, do shit to her that you've always wanted to do to a girl, so on, until, as el mech said, things implode. And then move on.

At least, that's what I'd do.

[Veloce]

(04-19-2012 05:05 PM)dotbiz Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 04:55 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Absolutey, especially the "sweet" girls who seem the most innocent will do this. It's a thing to see

That's a good point! When she was sleeping I looked at her cute face and was wondering how she can be so indifferent about cheating on her BF.

Sounds like you have her on a slight pedestal. You are correct in assuming this girl would do the same thing with you, so why would you pursue her as a girlfriend?

Here's what I would do if I had a top 5 hottie pursuing me:

Let her believe whatever she wants to believe. I'd tell her something like, "Hey, I've been busy the last few weeks, yeah lets get together." And don't bring up any heavy shit like the conversation you had about not letting things go further etc...don't talk about "what could be" or "what should be". Keep things light. Meet her for a drink, fuck her, and if she brings up any heavy shit or asks questions like, "So what does this mean?" "Where are you at?" "What do you want?" your reply should be something like, "Honestly, I enjoy hanging out with you. Whatever happens with us stays between us and if you have some outside business to take care of, you're enough of an adult to handle that on your own." Boom, her attraction just shot up and she'll more than likely break up with her bf to jump on the next vine in the jungle. This is where you let her believe what she wants to believe. While she's ditching dead weight, you're keeping your options open and have other pursuits as well that she absolutely does not need to know about. Keep fucking her and treat her like the fucktoy she is, get away with as much as you can from her, make her pay for dates, do shit to her that you've always wanted to do to a girl, so on, until, as el mech said, things implode. And then move on.

At least, that's what I'd do.

[calex]

(04-19-2012 04:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Hope he doesn't have Balkan power in that case you're screwed.

Hahah. I think Balkan power has earned the ™ status.

Anyway. This girl wants you for a bf. She will obviously stay with her current chump until you commit, because you can't expect girls to have morals, sense of loyalty or all that other man invented shit. So they never let go of one cock before having a firm grip on a better one.

Right now, you have options. I won't tell you what i would do, but you need to decide. If you want a gf, go for it. But don't treat her like one yet - right now you might have the upper hand, but tables can turn quickly.

And don't get surprised if down the line, she does the same shit to you.

[Parlay44]

(04-19-2012 10:06 PM)calex Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 04:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Hope he doesn't have Balkan power in that case you're screwed.

Hahah. I think Balkan power has earned the ™ status.

Anyway. This girl wants you for a bf. She will obviously stay with her current chump until you commit, because you can't expect girls to have morals, sense of loyalty or all that other man invented shit. So they never let go of one cock before having a firm grip on a better one.

Right now, you have options. I won't tell you what i would do, but you need to decide. If you want a gf, go for it. But don't treat her like one yet - right now you might have the upper hand, but tables can turn quickly.

And don't get surprised if down the line, she does the same shit to you.