From the Californication series? Just how realistic are the pickup scenes and the way he gets laid non-stop? I mean he's obviously a rich good looking guy, but I heard he's based off a famous author who was dirt poor but banged strippers on the side.
What does this forum think of Hank Moody?
Quote: (11-16-2011 03:44 PM)Aiurtime Wrote:
From the Californication series? Just how realistic are the pickup scenes and the way he gets laid non-stop? I mean he's obviously a rich good looking guy, but I heard he's based off a famous author who was dirt poor but banged strippers on the side.
Ha, I was thinking about this last night, as I just rented the fourth season of Californication. I figure most guys on the forum will love his character as its kind of like the "cliche epitome" of an "alpha player" with a "don't give a fuck" attitude.
Personally, I think the show is entertaining, but totally non believable. Sometimes I'd almost catch myself getting annoyed by how easily Hank Moody slays so many fucking hot (8+) women on the show. If you pay attention and think about it in the context of seduction in an analytical way, you will notice that he does exude great body language, tonality, eye contact, amazing confidence, and does a great job with negging, push-pool, cock funny, etc.
But, in like every episode of every season there is a hot women that basically throws herself at him, so he's not even really the one doing the "picking up" or seducing. Even though he's a good looking guy, and he's supposed to have status from being an author, there is no way in hell that guy would get any where close to that level of quantity/quality of pussy in real life. Only guys like Brad Pitt are going to realistically pull that easily.
Really, I think Hank Moody is kind of a dick overall. I mean sure he's cool and would be fun to party with, but he's an arrogant, macho, self absorbed douche otherwise.
Here's a good breakdown by Roissy: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/07/0...ody-chump/
I haven't watched enough to form an opinion.
I haven't watched enough to form an opinion.
"A flower can not remain in bloom for years, but a garden can be cultivated to bloom throughout seasons and years." - xsplat
The Hank Moody character is a modern, fictional version of authors like Hunter Thompson and Norman Mailer, the hard-drinking, bar-brawling, broad-banging, charming rogue. I don't see why a guy like that, in the circles he would have access to, wouldn't consistently pull the level of chicks he gets on the show.
"The best kind of pride is that which compels a man to do his best when no one is watching."
There was a time in this country when great authors were celebrities of the level that actors and athletes are today. Even a homo like Truman Capote had juice, and was the center of a major social scene. If he had a party at his crib, you wanted to be there because other important people of the day would be there also. Look at Salman Rushdie. Old as fuck, but was married to Padma Lakshmi (yeah...we can argue about how hot we think she is, or if she's hot at all, but that was a major pull for a guy like him). Mailer banged out many hoes, and married a few of them but stayed straight alpha to the end. Bukowski did his thing too. Hank Moody is fictional, but a guy like him could make it happen with chicks at the high end of the scale. Bret Easton Ellis was a major part of the social scene here in NYC for years when he was at the peak of his popularity, and fucking dimes.
"The best kind of pride is that which compels a man to do his best when no one is watching."
I actually made a comment on the post Roissy did on Hank Moody in which I essentially agreed that Hank Moody is a charming chump and Californication is, in actuality, a modern American feminists fantasy: in Hank Moody, they get the charming, cocky, devil may-care alpha male and the concerned, white knighting, sensitive male feminist all in one.
I'll copy my comment:
I'll copy my comment:
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Athlone McGinnis July 20, 2010 3:17AM
I started watching this show about two weeks ago. I just got to the Chloe Mitts episode that Jesus mentioned. This show is like catnip for feminists-once again, upon further analysis, Roissy is right.
Here are the most notable episodes of chumptitude so far as I have seen them:
Season 1 with Mia: This girl is a sociopathic witch. In one episode she went over to her teacher’s place and took too many drugs, passing out. Hank and Karen get there and start cussing the guy out-he says that she carried the pills with her and overdosed. They act like they don’t believe him.
Why the fuck wouldn’t Hank believe him? He knows what this girl is capable of, carrying a shitload of pills and ODing on them is small change for her. At the end of the exchange, when she pukes, Hank stuffs the guys face in the vomit, as though he were punishing him for “taking advantage” of the succubus.
It’d all make sense if he didn’t a) already fuck her and b) know that she was batshit insane and manipulative to the point of severely damaging his career(stealing his book). Instead, he acts like she’s some sort of innocent angel. She has a clear history of seducing older men, getting them in trouble and enjoying it. How can he miss this when HE HIMSELF is a victim?
At the end of season 1 with Mia again: Mia nearly outs Hank at her father’s wedding by admitting that Hank screwed her. She recants. Later, as she shares a dance with the man who she’s blackmailing, he later says “I guess we’re even”.
WTF? How are you even? She knowingly seduced you in a bookstore, clearly aware of the fact that you had no idea how old she was(like anyone could tell) and that you were at a low point and would fuck anything. Then, like the sociopath she is, she holds it over your head and blackmails you from thereon in, laughing and actually ENJOYING the process of ruining any attempt to revive your career and screwing up your family dynamic in the process(Becca talked about how the loss of the book screwed things up).
That’s not anywhere close to even in my book. She’s clearly been screwing you over, and in this instance she simply decided to screw you a little more slowly. What universe does this guy live in? He acts like she’s somehow doing him a favor!
In season 2, when she gets a ride home with Hank’s rockstar friend and his girl, he tells her friend to be easy on her, since she’s a “delicate flower”.
Yeah, sure hank, she’s delicate. Its not like she’s blackmailing you or anything.
The Hooker Trixie early in Season 2. She gets disrespected by one of her rockstar clients. Hank takes it upon himself to risk bodily harm to defend the whore that got him beat up in season one when he couldn’t pay her after he’d screwed her without knowing yet that she was a prostitute. He insists that she be respected, and fights the rocker, putting his health at risk for a woman who seems to have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to earn such devotion(except, well…be a woman).
And then, finally, Chloe. Holy crap, Chloe frikkin Mitts, Season 2 episode 5. WTF? She gets called over by Hank’s friend and actually shows up like some sort of call girl just to screw Hank. Later after Hank has screwed the daylights out of her they go to drop her off at her house, only to find her beta husband (carrying their NEWBORN CHILD) running out to meet them. She immediately tells them to just keep driving away as the poor schlub chases behind. While they’re driving, she tried to get them to start a threesome in the car and party further into the night.
She gets thrown out and left at the side of the road like she deserves for being so loud, abrasive and quite clearly insane, and what does Hank the chump say? “I’m a gentleman, we don’t treat ladies that way.”
He insists on them going back so he can wait with the whore who just got done cheating on her husband despite having a newborn child.
The woman has ZERO MORALS. She shows zero effort to honor the relationship she started(the same type of commitment that Hank himself has been chastised for not taking seriously enough with Karen). She gallivants around town randomly screwing guys and offers to do so ALL NIGHT LONG while her newborn kid is at home. Yet Hank doesn’t even say something like “maybe you should reconsider how you treat your young family” or “your son needs a mother. Our sex was great and all, but maybe you should tone down the “fun” a bit and go be with your newborn son. Family is important”.
Having a child of his own and seeing how his own crazy behavior has messed things up, you’d think he would say something like that. But he doesn’t. He just says “what has this city done to you? Is this what it means to be a girl here?” She responds “fuck if I know” and notes how happy she is that the newborn child she’s blowing off to whore around all night is a boy and not a girl. He says “good enough answer” and goes on about how “awesome” she is and how “tight” she was.
I just threw my hands up at this point. Seriously, WTF?
He defends and stands by her despite the fact that her behavior has earned her, if anything, PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE type of treatment.
Its mind boggling, but (now that I think about it) typical. The women can’t do any wrong at all.
[editor: good synopsis. yeah, the show is a feminist's alpha male cock carousel-white knight chump wet dream where women can get away with murder and still be put on princess pedestals. it's fucking sickening and ruins enjoyment of the entertaining aspects of the show otherwise.]
Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time.
Damn, Athlone, that kind of ruins my memories of the show. However, I can't argue with what you wrote. Sad.
Quote: (11-16-2011 04:21 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:
Quote: (11-16-2011 03:44 PM)Aiurtime Wrote:
From the Californication series? Just how realistic are the pickup scenes and the way he gets laid non-stop? I mean he's obviously a rich good looking guy, but I heard he's based off a famous author who was dirt poor but banged strippers on the side.
Ha, I was thinking about this last night, as I just rented the fourth season of Californication. I figure most guys on the forum will love his character as its kind of like the "cliche epitome" of an "alpha player" with a "don't give a fuck" attitude.
Personally, I think the show is entertaining, but totally non believable. Sometimes I'd almost catch myself getting annoyed by how easily Hank Moody slays so many fucking hot (8+) women on the show. If you pay attention and think about it in the context of seduction in an analytical way, you will notice that he does exude great body language, tonality, eye contact, amazing confidence, and does a great job with negging, push-pool, cock funny, etc.
But, in like every episode of every season there is a hot women that basically throws herself at him, so he's not even really the one doing the "picking up" or seducing. Even though he's a good looking guy, and he's supposed to have status from being an author, there is no way in hell that guy would get any where close to that level of quantity/quality of pussy in real life. Only guys like Brad Pitt are going to realistically pull that easily.
Really, I think Hank Moody is kind of a dick overall. I mean sure he's cool and would be fun to party with, but he's an arrogant, macho, self absorbed douche otherwise.
Co-sign on the series not being realistic. No way he would pick up in West LA the way he does just being a book author.
Although, the actor who plays him was in "counseling" for being a sex addict, so who knows...maybe it is sort of based on his experiences.
Overall, the show can be funny and sometimes entertaining. The white-knight aspect of his behavior is not that distracting.
I'll also add my signature to the 'Hank Moody gets a lot of pussy but deep down is a white-knighting chump' Declaration.
In the context of what he does and how he is (fairly big dude, good looking, has enough [but not too much] bad habits that brings out the 'I can save him!' mindset, money and high status as a writer, brash, confident, arrogant and of course, he seems to have a known reputation as a player and women go ape for guys like that), he's a somewhat realistic character. Girls toss themselves at guys like Hank Moody, we know this.
As for the girls he pulls, remember the show is based in LA; a vacuum for ridiculously attractive but damaged-beyond-repair women that functions on a global level.
What I really want to know is this; how in the hell can Hank and his hot blonde wife spawn such a dykish plain-Jane of a daughter? I get that she's supposed to be a bit of a rocker chick, but the actress who plays her is 18 now and she's like a 5. Where was casting on that one?
It's a good show, though.
In the context of what he does and how he is (fairly big dude, good looking, has enough [but not too much] bad habits that brings out the 'I can save him!' mindset, money and high status as a writer, brash, confident, arrogant and of course, he seems to have a known reputation as a player and women go ape for guys like that), he's a somewhat realistic character. Girls toss themselves at guys like Hank Moody, we know this.
As for the girls he pulls, remember the show is based in LA; a vacuum for ridiculously attractive but damaged-beyond-repair women that functions on a global level.
What I really want to know is this; how in the hell can Hank and his hot blonde wife spawn such a dykish plain-Jane of a daughter? I get that she's supposed to be a bit of a rocker chick, but the actress who plays her is 18 now and she's like a 5. Where was casting on that one?
It's a good show, though.
I watched the first 3 seasons, Athlone nailed this character with his synopsis. A true feminists wet dream, an alpha-male player sensitive white-knight. This is about as realistic to guys as a 25 year old american-raised virgin, D.C. career-minded lawyer/model "10", who cooks, cleans and sucks dick on command.
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Entertaining show but totally unrealistic.
The character is somewhat of a contradiction. Not true alpha would ever display the retarded level of white knighting that he does or tolerate such disrepsect.
The character is somewhat of a contradiction. Not true alpha would ever display the retarded level of white knighting that he does or tolerate such disrepsect.
Why would you guys say its specifically "white knighting"? Maybe being kind and having vulnerabilities is part of his actual character.
i liked the first season when he was all carefree and just having fun
second season kinda blew, haven't seen rest
his daughter and the "love of his life" get on my nerves too much now so can't watch the show anymore
his agent's (ex) wife with the coke addiction also started annoying me
second season kinda blew, haven't seen rest
his daughter and the "love of his life" get on my nerves too much now so can't watch the show anymore
his agent's (ex) wife with the coke addiction also started annoying me
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So, we have a fictitious alpha white knight. Who cares? He is not even real.
What can we learn from this?
What can we learn from this?
Quote: (11-17-2011 09:51 AM)Aiurtime Wrote:
Why would you guys say its specifically "white knighting"? Maybe being kind and having vulnerabilities is part of his actual character.
Because he is standing up for women who don't actually deserve it. He comes to their defense because they are women, whether they actually deserve said defense or not. He does not seem to care whether they are right or wrong-if they have a vagina, he'll stand up for them no matter what type of shit they pull.
That is a white knight. One can be kind and vulnerable, btw, without being a white knight.
Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time.
Quote: (11-17-2011 01:04 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:
Quote: (11-17-2011 09:51 AM)Aiurtime Wrote:
Why would you guys say its specifically "white knighting"? Maybe being kind and having vulnerabilities is part of his actual character.
Because he is standing up for women who don't actually deserve it. He comes to their defense because they are women, whether they actually deserve said defense or not. He does not seem to care whether they are right or wrong-if they have a vagina, he'll stand up for them no matter what type of shit they pull.
That is a white knight. One can be kind and vulnerable, btw, without being a white knight.
Agreed.
His character is jarring... supreme alpha at one end while a nauseating beta on the other. His baby mama is a cunt bitch yet she's his "soulmate." Nonetheless, it's better than 90% of the other crap put out by Betawood.
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Speaking from a gaming point of view only, i don't think that the show is that unrealistic. Actually, Hank also bangs quite a few 6's, as well as the 8+ women that he encounters.
I gotta agree with what Roosh said, Moody is at times Alpha but when it comes to his wife and daughter he is beta as hell. I also like what Roosh said about that whore Karen, she is indeed a cunt and yet Moody thinks she is everything. And as for his game, in reality that kind of game won't do you much good in LA, in fact i doubt it will do any good.
Hank Moody doesn't strike me as a beta, more like a guy who's been getting ass his whole life. Game leads to a negative view on women, because it leads to awareness of just how differently women react to alpha behavior versus beta behavior. A lot of naturals never come to that awareness. If women have been spreading it for you since you hit puberty, there's a good chance you'll end up with a little bit of white knight in you.
Quote: (11-17-2011 08:20 PM)j r Wrote:
Hank Moody doesn't strike me as a beta, more like a guy who's been getting ass his whole life. Game leads to a negative view on women, because it leads to awareness of just how differently women react to alpha behavior versus beta behavior. A lot of naturals never come to that awareness. If women have been spreading it for you since you hit puberty, there's a good chance you'll end up with a little bit of white knight in you.
This is very true.
Many naturals are oblivious to a lot of the insights we take for granted.
They'll realise some things, and usually be quicker on the uptake when you point things out to them - but often found white knighting as much as the most desperate beta.
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Quote: (11-17-2011 08:20 PM)j r Wrote:
Hank Moody doesn't strike me as a beta, more like a guy who's been getting ass his whole life. Game leads to a negative view on women, because it leads to awareness of just how differently women react to alpha behavior versus beta behavior. A lot of naturals never come to that awareness. If women have been spreading it for you since you hit puberty, there's a good chance you'll end up with a little bit of white knight in you.
Well apparently he is not a beta unless he is around that slut wife or emo daughter. Have you seen the way he talks to his wife? It's like he respects her more than he respects himself.
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