[Klasmatic]

Do you study like you would for school - take notes, memorize stuff, commit things to memory, take to the field,internalize, and go back to drawing board if stuff doesn't work

OR

do you just read ideas, hope you remember them when it comes time and just try and execute your own way while implementing stuff as you remember it. in other words, do you kind of half ass the studying part and just try and wing it?

[Gmac]

Game isn't a test that you pass or fail. The best way I can put it is to not think of game as coursework but a way of living. Take a look at yourself and see what you can improve, then do it. All the theory crafting in the world isn't going to do anything significant.

So yeah, I guess the "field" is the most important aspect of improving yourself... after you've conquered your mind of course.

Experiment and learn from your mistakes, your style of game will come out naturally. Forcing it by memorizing and "studying" is only going to make you worse in the end. The most you can get is a few decent lines or basic strategies... experience (i.e. improvisation) is going to take you the rest of the way.

[WesternCancer]

i study like i would for school but i study differently than you described it.

read/observe the key concepts and internalize them allowing me to fall back on framework instead of specific examples. and practice accordingly.

[November]

I think a lot of guys who are new to 'game' and the community come in thinking it's like some kind of science course.

It's just girls, man. Don't think of it as something you have to 'take notes' for. Like Gmac said, this isn't a test you pass or fail. Once you've read the basics, just go out and try stuff. You'll figure it out eventually.

The more time you spend 'studying' in the traditional sense, the more you'll be stuck in your head.

[Deluge]

Approach like a motherfucker. 15-20 girls a week. Start working out, fix your wardrobe. Adopt confident body language. Use Game resources like blogs and this forum to help you correct your mistakes as you go.

[Tuthmosis]

(11-12-2011 07:51 PM)November Wrote:  

I think a lot of guys who are new to 'game' and the community come in thinking it's like some kind of science course.

It's not surprising that these guys are usually good at actual science. It's what they know. Study, take the test, get a grade.

If you're "studying" game, you've already lost. You "do" or "drop" or "work" or even "practice" game. Game is act, not a theory--fundamentally speaking. Sure, we break it down in venues like this board but--at the end of the day--we go out and do it.

That's like asking a Muay Thai expert, "how do you study your Muay Thai: do you draw the moves on a lined piece of paper?" You're liable to get kicked in the face for that shit.

[XXL]

most efficient way. learn something new and go out the same day and try it without dwelling about it.

[Batata]

I don't take notes on things that I am genuinely interested in. My brain naturally retains the information that interests me.

What I do is read articles written by seasoned vets either on here or other blogs and apply the information I learn to real life. That said, don't take everything you read as religion: take the main ideas and perspectives and internalize them subconsciously.

I find that I perform best when I focus on what NOT to do when talking to girls rather than what I should do. I feel like most men have an innate ability to seduce women, but it's so suppressed by social/emotional clutter that it takes a while for guys to see the bigger picture and live up to what they were born to do.

[dongthrust]

You can KJ for a bit to start understanding concepts on paper, but you don't start learning until you go out and fail thousands of times. If you ever saw that movie, The 40 Year Old Virgin, the scene where he goes to the bookstore and just spews verbal diarrhea and opposites at the girl is a good way to picture it. Do that thousands of times and push yourself. You'll think of mistakes and remember good and bad shit on autopilot. You'll go through the motions so many times that you'll expect her to give similar answers or behaviors to situations and questions you've gone through many, many times. You'll know what worked for YOU in times before and how to proceed and escalate.

If you catch yourself in a situation where you've gone the wrong way in times before and those times ended the same way enough to notice a pattern, you'll know how to steer away from that and how to bring it back to a more positive outcome. Not saying to be outcome dependent, it's just you'll know how things worked before and remember them instantly. You'll get so good at this on autopilot that you'll start bending rules just to see what you can get away with.

There was a time when I'd just say Hi and then make out with her without any words exchanged. I'd do that every night I went out and hooked up tons, but you'll eventually move on to new things to build yourself other than seeing how many notches you can rack up in a spreadsheet. Just go out, test new things and have fun. Less memorizing lines. Remember a few stories of your past and you'll use those zillions of times talking with new people. Any time you notice yourself having a bad body language signal, you instantly correct it. SO many other things are worth mentioning, but it's best just to get out there and fail. Fail enough and you'll start seeing your results get better. Fail some more and tune it. You gotta learn to be the best you, not some magician clown who wears Magic the Gathering symbols or paints his nails black.

[kimleebj]

(11-13-2011 11:20 PM)dongthrust Wrote:  

There was a time when I'd just say Hi and then make out with her without any words exchanged. I'd do that every night I went out and hooked up tons ... .

Please elaborate. This can't be day game.

[Prowl]

Pattern Recognition (in the field)

Do the same thing over and over, get a sample size, draw a conclusion, then move on and test the next thing. I know a lot of people don't like to be this systematic, but it works for me.

I'm after engineered interactions, and the only way to get there is to try something enough times, see lots of responses, and thus be prepared for most responses you'll ever get.

This doesn't necessarily mean I'm memorizing verbatim scripted shit, but it does mean that I go into interactions with a plan.


The most valuable thing I do outside of the field is to write about and analyze my real interactions, pick them apart.