[Tail Gunner]

(04-02-2019 04:28 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Are there any mormons on the forum? It would be dope to here tales of mormons gaming girls inUtah, or better yet, sneaking out of their apartment while on mission and gaming

Are you really misunderstanding the purpose of this thread -- or just trolling? Perhaps you should re-read post #1.

[Heuristics]

I'm serious. I've never heard anyone say they're a Mormon.

And for that matter people that openly say they are Muslim or jewish. Dont seem to be many.

[Proto Ubermensch]

I'm not a fan of organized religion per-se, I think ecclesiasticism erodes the deep experience you can have with God and turns it into another pointless ritual to be performed.

I do resonate deeply with Pantheism though, I came across it reading Spinoza and the idea hasn't left my head since.

[AnonymousBosch]

What Roosh is experiencing with Nightclubs, I'm going through with the Online World and the Internet in general, so I'll fade away again, but just wanted to offer one last bit of advice.

What I've come to understand is that God makes himself known by the Faculty of Reason, rather than Emotion. It will suggest a desired behaviour. This infused knowledge is easier to detect when you're Present in the Moment, and choosing to be present is available to you wherever you find yourself. Divine Providence puts you exactly where you need to be and allows you to make use of exactly what you have available for your sanctification, regardless of whether the Right or Left rule over you.

Action just requires complete confidence in God. It's most-commonly following the demands of love in the moment, but you'll often understand something that doesn't make obvious sense to you right now is to be done or paid attention to, and the pitfall lies in trying to figure out God's Will.

So, I've learnt:

"You know to do this, it doesn't matter if you don't understand why you're doing it, so don't speculate on it. Trust, and the why will be revealed later through Experience".

Once you get into the rhythm, this generates a constant cycle of Spiritual Growth:

Infused Knowledge appeals to Reason
Acting on Reason requires a leap of Faith
Faith is strengthened through Experience
Experience clarifies Infused Knowledge

Once this cycle speeds up, The Father effectively carries you, rather than you trying to sanctify yourself. It's beyond me to explain it any further, but I have absolute surety in this method for myself, due to the joyous, bold confidence in God it generates, which increases trust in Him as a Father.

How does one gain Infused Knowledge to begin with? A contrite and humble heart.

Peace be to all of you.

[Sgt Donger]

(04-03-2019 05:14 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

How does one gain Infused Knowledge to begin with?

Is this where I have to hand over 10% of my income to the local Church Pty Ltd

[johnreed]

Fantastic! A human life is the process of 1) connecting with the core of your being, which is spirit, the same spirit that animates the entire cosmos, and 2) the return journey where you manifest that spirit here in the material world. Everything else is commentary, or preliminaries, or distraction.

I pray that you will not get hung up on form over substance. Jesus knew this spirit, indeed, and so did Buddha, and the Native American mystics, and the ancient Hebrews, and the Taoists, for it is always and everywhere the same spirit. It is the birthright of every human, every being in fact, in its own unique manifestation.

When you find God at the center of your own being, then, you can see it everywhere; if not, it will remain elusive, never able to put your finger on it.

Our culture has wandered far from the path, distracted by our dazzling material successes, but also our cock-sureness that we have it all figured out. We don't. It's all God, there is nothing but God, and so if your worldview points at something and says, 'this is not God', well, how could it be so? How would you take God and make something not-God? What this means is integrating it all, not taking evil as something separate.

I can support most of what I've noted above with the appropriate Bible quotes, but let me leave you with one: "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" John 10:34. As he said, God is your father (and you mother BTW). If your father is a horse, then you are a horse. If your father is a fish, then you are a fish. Get my point??? :-)

I view Roosh's journey as that of becoming a complete man. When I meet someone, my question always is, "Where are you in the process of becoming who you really are?" I'll close with this little jewel: http://www.freepdf.info/index.html?post/2...Philosophy

I love to argue theology, so let's go!

[ThriceLazarus]

@Johnreed

Your first challenger approaches, mistimed posting not withstanding.

Let me begin by saying I agree with you wholeheartedly. My contention arises as a result of definition (of course, each of us having our own perceptions). As always, communication is the rub, as words rarely ever share the same context from man to man.

You see, your God is my GOD, where my God may be your Lord - not to assume your beliefs. Let me try to pull forth some definitions from the mush of my mind. For the sake of argument.

GOD: The All; Source; Ein Soph Aur; The Demiurge; Maya; Wuji; etc.

This is all things, an understanding I can vaguely recall describing this GOD as a habitation.

God: The Lord; Isvara; Atik; Taiji, etc.

This is the personality of the larger divinity which can discern. While evil and Good are inseparable within the conception of GOD (leading to a buddhist formulation of inherent emptiness if you will) it is this faculty that allows one to order the oscillation of the duality into an ever rising spiral. Harmonious coherence rather than disruptive interference, to use the language of frequency. Without understanding God, or the Lord, one falls prey to-

god: spirits; powers and principalities; daemons; devas; etc.

This I see as the gross duality. All of these things have their own domains, their own purpose. However, without the Law of the Lord the interactions of these gods produce chaos and confusion.

Without that perfectly orchestrated order, their interactions become dissapating and diffusing. As such, the individual is lead to nothingness - which in itself is a form of Eternity (i.e. GOD in this formulation).

As such, something which is of God can be made not-God by its becoming of god instead. If that makes any sense... I assure you, I’m not trying to play games of childish semantics! Though that may be all any theological discussion can be!

[Ubertoaster]

I think a conversation about the higher being is a natural progression.

First people will think of themselves and improve themselves.

Second they will think of sex and relationships/family.

3rd people will thing of their groups.

4th humanity as a whole.

Than 5th, the world, plants and animals.

So on.

This forum and philosophy is natural progression of thought.

As one's responsibility grows so does his thoughts. Ultimately you have to thing of God or Supreme Being.

How does one get closer? I would say by expanding your circle of understanding and responsibility ethically. With Clean hands and by fixing your past can one expand.

[infowarrior1]

(04-03-2019 02:22 PM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  

@Johnreed

Your first challenger approaches, mistimed posting not withstanding.

Let me begin by saying I agree with you wholeheartedly. My contention arises as a result of definition (of course, each of us having our own perceptions). As always, communication is the rub, as words rarely ever share the same context from man to man.

You see, your God is my GOD, where my God may be your Lord - not to assume your beliefs. Let me try to pull forth some definitions from the mush of my mind. For the sake of argument.

GOD: The All; Source; Ein Soph Aur; The Demiurge; Maya; Wuji; etc.

This is all things, an understanding I can vaguely recall describing this GOD as a habitation.

God: The Lord; Isvara; Atik; Taiji, etc.

This is the personality of the larger divinity which can discern. While evil and Good are inseparable within the conception of GOD (leading to a buddhist formulation of inherent emptiness if you will) it is this faculty that allows one to order the oscillation of the duality into an ever rising spiral. Harmonious coherence rather than disruptive interference, to use the language of frequency. Without understanding God, or the Lord, one falls prey to-

god: spirits; powers and principalities; daemons; devas; etc.

This I see as the gross duality. All of these things have their own domains, their own purpose. However, without the Law of the Lord the interactions of these gods produce chaos and confusion.

Without that perfectly orchestrated order, their interactions become dissapating and diffusing. As such, the individual is lead to nothingness - which in itself is a form of Eternity (i.e. GOD in this formulation).

As such, something which is of God can be made not-God by its becoming of god instead. If that makes any sense... I assure you, I’m not trying to play games of childish semantics! Though that may be all any theological discussion can be!

I would also like to point to a long video explaining the nature of the Christian God. As far as my current views are.

It isn't quite the same as the hellenistic understanding of God.

What is interesting is that when God's name was asked by Moses. He said " I AM THAT I AM" or " I AM HE WHO IS"

From this the writers of the OT shorten it to "Yahweh" in Hebrew.

or in Tetragrammaton terms YHWH which they refuse to pronounce since its so sacred. Instead calling it Adonai: "LORD" or Hashem: "The name"

[Sooth]

(04-03-2019 05:14 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

What I've come to understand is that God makes himself known by the Faculty of Reason, rather than Emotion.

I used to argue with Atheists online for hours and hours about evidence for God. It was a total waste of time and I doubt I convinced anyone.

There are only two options: God or absurdity.

My question to the Atheist is "how do you know your reasoning is valid?" to which they reply "I reasoned it".

Rationality, reasoning, logic, knowledge, truth - All facets of God.

"The rational atheist" is an oxymoron. Not because Atheists are not rational but because God is a prerequisite for rationality and they are created in His image.
This is why the bible says they "hold truth in unrighteousness" and "that which may be known of God is manifest in them".

LOGOS RISING

[Aurini]

(04-03-2019 10:15 PM)Sooth Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 05:14 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

What I've come to understand is that God makes himself known by the Faculty of Reason, rather than Emotion.

I used to argue with Atheists online for hours and hours about evidence for God. It was a total waste of time and I doubt I convinced anyone.

There are only two options: God or absurdity.

My question to the Atheist is "how do you know your reasoning is valid?" to which they reply "I reasoned it".

Rationality, reasoning, logic, knowledge, truth - All facets of God.

"The rational atheist" is an oxymoron. Not because Atheists are not rational but because God is a prerequisite for rationality and they are created in His image.
This is why the bible says they "hold truth in unrighteousness" and "that which may be known of God is manifest in them".

LOGOS RISING

Godel's Incompleteness Theorem.

I keep pointing this out. Ah, well.

[Tail Gunner]

(04-03-2019 10:15 PM)Sooth Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 05:14 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

What I've come to understand is that God makes himself known by the Faculty of Reason, rather than Emotion.

There are only two options: God or absurdity.

Indeed.

Quote:

I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronising nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. . . . Now it seems to me obvious that He was neither a lunatic nor a fiend: and consequently, however strange or terrifying or unlikely it may seem, I have to accept the view that He was and is God.

(C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity, 55-56)

[VNvet]

I had an experience with God that I've never shared before. It made me a believer that something is out there guiding us. Here it is:

I was a 22 year old university student when this happened. No friends. No social life. My grades were awful. Everything was awful. I'd go days without talking to a single person. Life really, really sucked.

One night I caved into temptation and committed a mortal sin. A very immoral one too, I'm not talking masturbation-level or even sex with a woman. I felt awful, so I went to the center of campus, sat on a picnic bench, and read a book. I still felt depressed and couldn't focus.

A group of students walk past me. A few guys and maybe 5 or 6 girls. It's like 1AM on a Saturday night at a huge party school. Not an uncommon sight.

3 girls peel off the main group and approach me.

"Do you have a girlfriend?"

"No."

After my response, the two girls kind of nudged the middle girl into me and we madeout for about 10 seconds. She pulled away, looked at me, smiled, and walked off.

"Thanks," I shouted to them as they walk away. I really meant it too.

They laughed.

And yes, the girl was hot. Slim, brown hair, blue eyes.

The whole series of events was just too coincidental for me..

I viewed it as a message to get my life on track, so that's what I did. Things got better.

That summer I actually got my first girlfriend. She looked strikingly similar to that girl too. Though it couldn't have been her because she had never visited that city (different uni).

[BortimusPrime]

(04-03-2019 10:28 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:15 PM)Sooth Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 05:14 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

What I've come to understand is that God makes himself known by the Faculty of Reason, rather than Emotion.

I used to argue with Atheists online for hours and hours about evidence for God. It was a total waste of time and I doubt I convinced anyone.

There are only two options: God or absurdity.

My question to the Atheist is "how do you know your reasoning is valid?" to which they reply "I reasoned it".

Rationality, reasoning, logic, knowledge, truth - All facets of God.

"The rational atheist" is an oxymoron. Not because Atheists are not rational but because God is a prerequisite for rationality and they are created in His image.
This is why the bible says they "hold truth in unrighteousness" and "that which may be known of God is manifest in them".

LOGOS RISING

Godel's Incompleteness Theorem.

I keep pointing this out. Ah, well.

You do keep pointing this out, and I would really like an explanation of how this implies the existence of God. My understanding (admittedly from a relatively dull lecture in Theory of Computation) is that it's simply a proof that there must exist statements which are true but not provable, and thus denies any sort of algorithm for say proving all of math.

If it's just that you then must have faith that math exists and works correctly sure I have faith, but that seems pretty disconnected from moral prescriptions against masturbation and freemasonry.

[johnreed]

I appreciate your reply!

Both (God and gods) are mentioned in the Torah (Old Testament). Your distinction is an interesting one. There are gods for sure, God just doesn't want you putting them above Him/Her haha!

And in this attribution, with which I believe you would agree, we see a most definite, well, shall we say, less-than-positive emotion on the part of the Big Guy/Girl: jealousy. I might also point out that Capital G is a bit vindictive, and has couple of mass slaughters on His/Her rap sheet. WTF was He/She thinking about with the smallpox virus OMG.

I tend to lean more toward the Hindu representation of God, as manifesting differently in different situations: acting as the Creator, as the Sustainer, and as the Destroyer. The Chaos of which you spoke is an integral part of the Whole: it's the stuff, the raw material as it were, from which the Order is generated, and it returns to Chaos so that other Orders may arise.

I observe that in order to make the narrative of Good-and-Evil duality work, the 3 Desert Religions are compelled to elevate the Evil into the virtual role of co-Creator with astounding powers. Again, there is no place these powers could have come from but The Source.

The assertion that this is all some kind of test from God of Man's Free Will I find preposterous. It's like accusing someone of driving off-road, where is nothing, and could never be anything, but road.

Even so, Evil is entirely a function of context and perspective: whose ox is being gored. I feel the heat rising from that statement. Let the flames begin!

(04-03-2019 08:44 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 02:22 PM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  

@Johnreed

Your first challenger approaches, mistimed posting not withstanding.

Let me begin by saying I agree with you wholeheartedly. My contention arises as a result of definition (of course, each of us having our own perceptions). As always, communication is the rub, as words rarely ever share the same context from man to man.

You see, your God is my GOD, where my God may be your Lord - not to assume your beliefs. Let me try to pull forth some definitions from the mush of my mind. For the sake of argument.

GOD: The All; Source; Ein Soph Aur; The Demiurge; Maya; Wuji; etc.

This is all things, an understanding I can vaguely recall describing this GOD as a habitation.

God: The Lord; Isvara; Atik; Taiji, etc.

This is the personality of the larger divinity which can discern. While evil and Good are inseparable within the conception of GOD (leading to a buddhist formulation of inherent emptiness if you will) it is this faculty that allows one to order the oscillation of the duality into an ever rising spiral. Harmonious coherence rather than disruptive interference, to use the language of frequency. Without understanding God, or the Lord, one falls prey to-

god: spirits; powers and principalities; daemons; devas; etc.

This I see as the gross duality. All of these things have their own domains, their own purpose. However, without the Law of the Lord the interactions of these gods produce chaos and confusion.

Without that perfectly orchestrated order, their interactions become dissapating and diffusing. As such, the individual is lead to nothingness - which in itself is a form of Eternity (i.e. GOD in this formulation).

As such, something which is of God can be made not-God by its becoming of god instead. If that makes any sense... I assure you, I’m not trying to play games of childish semantics! Though that may be all any theological discussion can be!

I would also like to point to a long video explaining the nature of the Christian God. As far as my current views are.

It isn't quite the same as the hellenistic understanding of God.

What is interesting is that when God's name was asked by Moses. He said " I AM THAT I AM" or " I AM HE WHO IS"

From this the writers of the OT shorten it to "Yahweh" in Hebrew.

or in Tetragrammaton terms YHWH which they refuse to pronounce since its so sacred. Instead calling it Adonai: "LORD" or Hashem: "The name"

[CynicalContrarian]

(03-29-2019 04:46 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

...
Blue pill: No understanding of power
Red pill: Understanding of man's power on Earth
Black pill: Understanding the pathetic limitations and pointlessness of man's power
God pill: Understanding that only God's power can overcome the enemy's power.
...

Savvy summation.
Then when we posit that there is so much 'black-pill' sentiment in the political threads; I posit this :

One should not take politics too seriously.
We live in the world, yet are not ultimately supposed to be of the world.

Especially when the following may well be what needs to come to pass :

- America wanes, as all empires do. Whether by isolationism or merely overextending it's resources.
- China mean-time, continues to rise & becomes an even stronger power. Century of the 'dragon' as opposed to a single year of the dragon.
- Europe sans Britain, re-organizes itself with it's non-NATO Euro army, into a ten nation superstate. A '4th Reich' if you will.
- Israel continues to play the game & continues to sow discord one way or the other.
- Russia remains a big, strong bear; yet a slow bear.
- The Middle East continues to be troublesome & cause a ruckus.
- Africa... continues to be Africa...

- With America & the other British pups out of the way & all nations continuing to turn against irritating Israel.
- The European Reich wages war against a Muslim axis (probably led by Iran).
- Russia will have already been drawn in & defeated or is defeated in that Euro / Iran war.
- Then China sends an Asian axis towards the Middle East. The largest army ever known.
- All converge on Israel & the battle of Har Meddigo commences.

Or at least. Something along those lines.

"So let it be written. So let it be done."

[CynicalContrarian]

On buddhism.
Not going to claim to be an expert on the matter.
Yet I was of the understanding that there are essentially two forms of buddhism.

The nothing more, nothing less philosophical teachings of some ancient Indian / Nepalese prince who gave up his heritage to preach some form of "enlightenment".
One with no clear roadmap from what I've noticed...

Then the more religious form of buddhism, derived from Indian's who took that ancient Indian / Nepalese prince's teachings & mixed in a heavy dose of Hinduism.

Hence the disparity between reincarnation on a scale between say cockroaches, tigers & men. As opposed to the notion of shifts of consciousness.

Also. As the originator of buddhism was supposed to be a scrawny ancient Indian / Nepalese prince (all that fasting). Why in the Sam hell do so many iterations of the guy appear as a fat Chinese man...?

[johnreed]

Depends on who your God is.... the bearded white guy who counts every hair on your head?

(04-01-2019 05:26 PM)MoonshineGuy Wrote:  

Many years ago, I would have agreed with your statement. Now I see that the greatest reality is that of the Creationist. All of the current bits of TheNarrative that contradict the existence of God and push things like geologic evolution and biologic evolution are supported by all those Blue Pill perfessors and marxists that Red Pill followers of folks like Roosh detest.

So reality? Reality is that we were created by God.

But I believe that the beginning of this thread was started by our gracious host with the words, ".. atheists can start their own thread".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGairhrPGc&t=706s

(04-01-2019 11:47 AM)Druber Wrote:  

So you're having a midlife crisis. Embrace it and enjoy. When it ends, come back to reality please.

Enjoy your happy feelings, though.

[CynicalContrarian]

The oddity of being an atheist.

They claim they believe in nothing after death. No thoughts, no memories, no soul, no existence.

Yet very, very few are willing to embrace their nothingness; despite the idea, that it matters not once they're gone.

Their additional five years or ten years or twenty years of memories, will cease to exist in their summation either way. So why not simply end it all now?

They probably don't end it all, cause they probably don't truly believe in nothing...

[Hammerhead]

(04-05-2019 08:21 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Also. As the originator of buddhism was supposed to be a scrawny ancient Indian / Nepalese prince (all that fasting). Why in the Sam hell do so many iterations of the guy appear as a fat Chinese man...?

The fat Buddha isn't Siddhartha (orginal Buddha), it's a different enlightened teacher who came after him.

[CynicalContrarian]

(04-05-2019 09:16 AM)Hammerhead Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 08:21 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Also. As the originator of buddhism was supposed to be a scrawny ancient Indian / Nepalese prince (all that fasting). Why in the Sam hell do so many iterations of the guy appear as a fat Chinese man...?

The fat Buddha isn't Siddhartha (orginal Buddha), it's a different enlightened teacher who came after him.

Right, fair enough.
Enlightened & rather well fed...

[trickster]

Is it a coincidence that the RVF eliminated the family sub forum and added the god pill thread? I'm curious to know how many people that have posted in this thread have a family. Being a lurker, it seemed that a decent sized portion of the RVF was moving into or contemplating moving into the family life. Has that been discarded in favor of the god pill, I wonder. God is useless without a family to raise.

[Sherman]

(04-05-2019 08:44 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

The oddity of being an atheist.

They claim they believe in nothing after death. No thoughts, no memories, no soul, no existence.

Yet very, very few are willing to embrace their nothingness; despite the idea, that it matters not once they're gone.

Their additional five years or ten years or twenty years of memories, will cease to exist in their summation either way. So why not simply end it all now?

They probably don't end it all, cause they probably don't truly believe in nothing...

You didn't mind being nothing millions of years ago.

[Tail Gunner]

(04-05-2019 10:07 AM)trickster Wrote:  

God is useless without a family to raise.

Tell that to all the countless people helped by Mother Teresa.

What is it with all the the non sequiturs in this thread? Yes, family is important, but not having a family does not make God useless. In fact, it could be argued that not having a family in your life (as a healthy foundation) makes having God in your life all that much more important -- and that it is an essential step to eventually creating a family.

This observation is not targeted at trixter in particular, but vomiting out a stream-of-consciousness is not any way to engage in a healthy dialogue, especially on a topic as important as the nature of God.

[fenetre]

(04-05-2019 10:47 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 10:07 AM)trickster Wrote:  

God is useless without a family to raise.

Tell that to all the countless people helped by Mother Teresa.

What is it with all the the non sequiturs in this thread? Yes, family is important, but not having a family does not make God useless. In fact, it could be argued that not having a family in your life (as a healthy foundation) makes having God in your life all that much more important -- and that it is an essential step to eventually creating a family.

This observation is not targeted at trixter in particular, but vomiting out a stream-of-consciousness is not any way to engage in a healthy dialogue, especially on a topic as important as the nature of God.

Practically nobody has any clue of their history, and I include myself in that group. I thought I was red-pilled and I knew lots of things but the past year has been an incredible exercise in humility. Since submitting myself to God I have been gaining huge insights into the history of Christianity, and everything makes so much sense now.

We’ve been viewing history through the lens of the Jew for too long. The damage done to Western society is irreparable. Madness and immorality is so pravelent now that it is “normal”. Just reading some of the gibberish in certain posts above is depressing beyond words. And we think we are so advanced and scientific! Smh

The west is turning into some kind of neo Sodom. There is no voting our way out of this. The roots go back to the successful subversion of Christian society by our eternal enemies, and the laxity, greed and foolishness of many Christian leaders.

For those who have the discipline E Michael Jones is an excellent place to start. My life has been transformed by his work.

My focus now is being able to explain the “why” to the children I will father one day (please God). Discussion on the forum is largely pointless. I’m also trying to develop good friendships offline, more so than ever. The internet creates more problems than it solves. Good luck to you all.