[pitt]

Joehoya welcome to the forum, you seem to know this shit.

Do you mind if you breakdown a bit more about business number one? How do i get clients on it? How do i advertise? Do many people actually watch these girls on webcam stripping videos? That shit sounds interesting.

[joehoya]

(10-17-2011 08:30 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Joehoya welcome to the forum, you seem to know this shit.

Do you mind if you breakdown a bit more about business number one? How do i get clients on it? How do i advertise? Do many people actually watch these girls on webcam stripping videos? That shit sounds interesting.

I've got no problem explaining the business model. I used to promote webcams as an affiliate. I didn't have a studio or anything. Basically, I sent traffic to the major webcam companies and got a commission for every person that signed up.

As a webcam studio, you will sign up with one or more of the big webcam companies (ifriends, streamrate, cams.com, webcams.com, etc). When you have models in your studio online, these webcam companies will display your models as being available for camchat. If a customer likes the look of your model, they will do a private chat with her. Whatever money the customer pays is split between you and the webcam company. The webcam company might then have to split their share with the affiliate who brought the customer to their site.

So you don't have to market if you don't want to. The studios owners that I met in Latin America didn't bother. Even though you don't have to advertise, I will give two reasons why you really SHOULD advertise.

As far as whether people actually watch these girls strip and play on their webcam, the answer is a gigantic YES! In fact, webcams are one of the only parts of the adult industry that has not been effected by the torrent and tube sites. Guys go on there to pay for the interactive nature of the experience, and you cannot bootleg that. You wouldn't believe the amount of money some guys spend on webcams.

While not every guy drops a ton of money every month, you will occasionally get a "whale" that will blow huge sums in a single month, or sometimes every month for several months. I have seen guys rack up several thousand dollars in cam fees on one or two girls in a single month. I have had more than one guy drop $1,000+ on a girl every month for 3-5 months. I know of MULTIPLE instances where some lonely guy spent 2 HOURS+ talking to a girl in a single night. Keep in mind, this was at $2-$4 PER MINUTE. These whales are the exception, but there are enough of them out there for someone to make a good living.

The guys I know in Latin America basically had a house with a broadband internet connection, and set up computers with webcams in every bedroom. Sometimes they would put up a cheap partition up in the bedroom and put 2 or 3 girls in each room. Finding the girls was easy. Most just hit the brothels, massage places, hooker bars, and strip clubs. The girls jumped at the opportunity.

In one example (I was actually there when he recruited her), one studio owner picked up this smoking hot Colombiana in a downtown Medellin strip club. Without question, in the US, this chick would be AT LEAST a 9. This chick was making MAYBE $10 for every guy she fucked in the club (The fee was $20 or 40,000 pesos, and the girl got half). If she didn't get any customers she didn't get paid at the club. I think he offered her a flat $5 per hour to do cam shows for his studio. Needless to say, she jumped at the idea of getting consistent money and not having to let a bunch of old fat sweating dudes fuck her every day.

So you see how guys can make money. Here is where these dudes were completely fucking it up for themselves. They were still making good money, but they were leaving a ton of cash on the table.
1) ZERO content to internet marketers. If these guys had simply given an affiliate/internet marketer like myself some content of their girls (e.g. sample photos, and videos) I could have AT LEAST DOUBLED their revenue. The biggest challenge promoting webcams is how little model content is out there. With extra content I could have sent a TON of guys to the webcam company's website where the customers would be looking SPECIFICALLY for this cam studio's models by name, not just any model that tickles their fancy.

2) Not marketing on their own. The beauty of a cam studio marketing their own girls is that not only do they get the webcam studio portion of the sale when a guy finds them on the cam site, they also get the affiliate portion of the sale, as well. For example, at webcams.com a model studio gets 37% of every dollar a customer spends watching their cam shows. If the customer was refered to the website by an affiliate, the affiliate gets 25%. This means that if the studio is ALSO the affiliate that refered the customer, they receive 62% of all the money the customer spends with the girl. PLUS since the studio is the affiliate they still get 25% of what the customer spends on OTHER girls on the website.

As far as the type of girls that will make money, basically it is any girl. If I were doing it, I would recruit the girls with the HUGEST natural titties I could find, regardless of whether they are fat or old. Big titties ALWAYS make money. Also, going into niche markets is a big deal too. Old chicks, fat chicks, trannies, pregnant chicks (ESPECIALLY pregnant chicks), they all make good money. Best of all, the types of chicks I mentioned above will be happy for less money than the super hottie. While the petite spinner super hottie may want $5 per hour, and occasionally flake, the chick in her 40's with gigantic titties will be happy with $3 per hour and will always show up to work on time. Best of all, you will probably make more money with the big titty older chick, because she is more rare. This doesn't mean that I wouldn't employ hotties, I definitely would (those are the ones I would be fucking on the side). It just means that I would be open to other models if they could make me money.

Every few months I get tempted to just say "fuck it", move permanently to Medellin or Costa Rica and open up a cam studio.

[pitt]

Great info joe, thanks..+1 from me

[Sardino]

I got excited by this idea so I did some googling for resources on how to make this happen. I found this company that will fly to where you are and set up rooms for you. Seems a little pricey at 1500 per room though.
http://www.odysseycam.com/studiostartup.htm

[joehoya]

(10-18-2011 08:01 AM)Sardino Wrote:  

I got excited by this idea so I did some googling for resources on how to make this happen. I found this company that will fly to where you are and set up rooms for you. Seems a little pricey at 1500 per room though.
...

Dude, don't even waste your time with that. All it is is a webcam and some downloadable software. That is it. I know a ton of high school drop out strippers that set up their own webcams. If you can set up a computer in a house, you can set up a webcam "studio".

[ManAbout]

(10-18-2011 03:17 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

I've got no problem explaining the business model. I used to promote webcams as an affiliate. I didn't have a studio or anything. Basically, I sent traffic to the major webcam companies and got a commission for every person that signed up.

I think the $5/hour model would only work in S America. I dated a girl that did webcam modeling in the Czech Republic. It's actually quite popular out there as well, with a lot of university girls doing it to make extra cash. However she was getting paid by the minute. The studio would split the money with her, I think she said she ended up making $1 per minute. Of course, she wasn't busy the whole time either. But, it worked out at quite a bit more than $5/hour.

If you are promoting yourself directly, how do you do the billing? Is there off the shelf billing software that permits tracking by the minute? Also, you require a payment processor. Paypal won't cut it. Adult payment processors take a huge chunk, I think it's something like 15%. Their setup fees are also quite high, $1000 I think.

[joehoya]

(10-18-2011 09:27 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

I think the $5/hour model would only work in S America.

Yep. My experience is solely with Latin America. I also think the same model would work in parts of South East Asia. The key is to look at the hourly wage a girl could get in a "normal" job, and the hourly wage she could get in other sex-work jobs.

For instance, in Medellin, the mid range massage places are basically $15-$20 per half hour (the girl only gets half of that), and the girl has to actually fuck the guy. Also, since these places are so close together, it is not uncommon for a girl to be at work all day and not get one customer. Maybe 3 or 4 customers a day for an 8-10 hour shift is more common for a cute girl.

Now, if you take a girl who is only making $25-$40 per day fucking 3-4 old smelly guys per day (with no guarantee that she will make anything that day) and offer her a consistent $5 per hour ($40 per day) where she doesn't have to touch anyone AND there is less of a chance of her friends/family finding out, they usually jump for the opportunity.

(10-18-2011 09:27 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

I dated a girl that did webcam modeling in the Czech Republic. It's actually quite popular out there as well, with a lot of university girls doing it to make extra cash. However she was getting paid by the minute. The studio would split the money with her, I think she said she ended up making $1 per minute. Of course, she wasn't busy the whole time either. But, it worked out at quite a bit more than $5/hour.

I would agree with you about the Czech Republic (and probably most of Europe). The salaries would be significantly higher.

(10-18-2011 09:27 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

If you are promoting yourself directly, how do you do the billing? Is there off the shelf billing software that permits tracking by the minute? Also, you require a payment processor. Paypal won't cut it. Adult payment processors take a huge chunk, I think it's something like 15%. Their setup fees are also quite high, $1000 I think.

When I was talking about promoting myself directly, I was reffering to marketing my girls, but still using one of the webcam companies to handle administration. Essentially, I would be driving traffic to my girl's page on the webcam company's website.

It is definitely possible to promote yourself directly and not use a big company. On the smallest level. I know a couple of strippers in Indiana that just you yahoo's chat feature and paypal. Of course, if paypal finds out that they are using it for sex work they will close the girls' accounts, but right now they haven't noticed. Companies also sell the same type of administrative and billing software that the big webcam companies use.

Personally, I would not bother doing it this way at all. I would simply work with several of the bigger cam companies. Sure, they are taking a chunk of the profits, but they are also freeing up my time and resources by handling the administrative tasks. Rather than deal with administering the servers, setting up a payment processor and a gateway, handling customer support, etc, I can focus on getting girls in front of the camera and marketing my girls on the net.

[K-man]

(10-19-2011 12:34 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

For instance, in Medellin, the mid range massage places are basically $15-$20 per half hour (the girl only gets half of that), and the girl has to actually fuck the guy. Also, since these places are so close together, it is not uncommon for a girl to be at work all day and not get one customer. Maybe 3 or 4 customers a day for an 8-10 hour shift is more common for a cute girl.

Now, if you take a girl who is only making $25-$40 per day fucking 3-4 old smelly guys per day (with no guarantee that she will make anything that day) and offer her a consistent $5 per hour ($40 per day) where she doesn't have to touch anyone AND there is less of a chance of her friends/family finding out, they usually jump for the opportunity.

Won't the girls' pimps come after you for stealing their ho's? In Eastern Europe, prostitution rings are ran by the mafia, who will not think twice about sending Igor and Sergey to break a bone or two in your body.
Is that different in Latin America, which is notorious for drug cartels, kidnappings, and muggings?

[joehoya]

(10-19-2011 03:34 AM)K-man Wrote:  

Won't the girls' pimps come after you for stealing their ho's? In Eastern Europe, prostitution rings are ran by the mafia, who will not think twice about sending Igor and Sergey to break a bone or two in your body.
Is that different in Latin America, which is notorious for drug cartels, kidnappings, and muggings?

Yeah, it is pretty different in Latin America. Since prostitution is legal in the countries that I mentioned, you really don't see that many pimps. I know of guys that were plucking a ton of girls from a certain massage parlor. The worst that happened to them was that they were told not to come back. The thing to understand is (at least in the countries I have been to) there are an abundance of pretty young girls willing to sell their ass for some cash. Also, these girls come and go, so the owners are used to a really high turnover.

The key is to not be a complete dick about it. There are so many places to find girls that you don't have to screw up someone else's business for your business to be successful.

1) Don't go into someone's business and try to swoop a bunch of girls at once. I have seen instances where a huge number of massage girls quit within a week of each other to work at a new massage place. It never resorted to violence in my experience, but it did leave some hard feelings.

2) Don't go for the superstar at the massage parlor/brothel. This is bad for 2 reasons. First, the owner WILL get pissed if you try to "steal" his best earner. Second, the superstar is making so much money from all of the guys that she is less likely to be hungry enough to make a good employee. I've seen dudes LINE UP AND WAIT THEIR TURN for a particular girl when there were a room full of other girls that weren't getting any business. The best are the girls that are pretty, but are not getting much work, and the girls trying to get out of "the life". For many of these girls, their only option besides fucking, is unemployment or backbreaking labor as a housekeeper or similar for $1-$2 per hour.

3) Buy a session with a girl in the massage place/brothel then ask her if she will see you at your hotel or apartment. This is pretty common, and it will give you an idea of whether she is interested in working outside of the brothel. Surprisingly enough, there are girls that say no to this, but they are like 1 out of 10 that you ask. Once the girl is at your place, have your private session THEN discussion the opportunity of her working for you.

4) Once you get a girl, offer her a little commission to recruit other girls for you, especially those NOT working at the brothel. One thing that I have discovered is that every one of these massage girls knows AT LEAST 2-3 other hotties that DESPERATELY need the money, but can't deal with the social stigma of being a prostitute. They envy their hooker friends, but can't do it themselves. Offer a girl $10-$20 to find another recruit for you and you will never have to worry about finding girls again.

The girls will love it because they don't have to fuck some guy AND their friends and family won't find out. Most webcam companies have a feature that allows a studio to block viewers from a particular zip code, state, or even country. So it is common that if you were based in Colombia you would block the entire country from accessing your webcam. This won't make much financial difference, since the vast majority of the paying customers come from Western Europe, USA, Canada, and some Asian countries.

[ManAbout]

joehoya, you mentioned that you are not actually doing this yourself at the moment, correct?

I appreciate your honest comments and outline about how to go about accomplishing such a business, but it's not really as easy as it sounds is it?

There is a lot more to it than getting a bunch of girls in a room, which you have pointed out. But, I think it also needs to be mentioned that the marketing aspect is probably the biggest and most difficult one. If you don't know what you are doing when it comes to internet marketing, you will fail. If you already have a built in network with a lot of sites sending traffic to your cam girls, as you seem to have, then it is much easier.

But, for the new guy, just starting out, I just want to point out that it's really not that easy. There are tens of thousands of cam girls out there and the competition is fierce. Unless the girls are spectacular, you are going to have a lot of work ahead of you promoting these girls and getting guys to spend their hard earned dollars.

[thegmanifesto]

"For instance, in Medellin, the mid range massage places are basically $15-$20 per half hour (the girl only gets half of that)"

Are these rates accurate?

They sound extremely low.

[joehoya]

(10-19-2011 11:42 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"For instance, in Medellin, the mid range massage places are basically $15-$20 per half hour (the girl only gets half of that)"

Are these rates accurate?

They sound extremely low.

They are pretty accurate within the past few years. Mid range massage places in downtown Medellin were running 30K-40K pesos for a half hour session. The Colombian peso has been moving around between 1700 and 2000 to the dollar for the past 3 years. The higher end places like Loutron are something like 175K for an hour IIRC.

They might have gone up a little in the past few years, but not by a whole bunch.

[joehoya]

(10-19-2011 10:00 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

joehoya, you mentioned that you are not actually doing this yourself at the moment, correct?

Nope. I was strictly doing internet marketing for webcam companies. However, I have some buddies who were doing cam studios in Latin America and we exchange a lot of notes about our respective sides of the business. Frankly, the biggest reason why I have not gone down there and done it myself is that I have no desire to be locked in to any country like that. Latin America is a great place to visit, but I couldn't live there for years on end. My focus has been on developing a truly location independent lifestyle.

(10-19-2011 10:00 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

I appreciate your honest comments and outline about how to go about accomplishing such a business, but it's not really as easy as it sounds is it?

It is definitely not easy. No business anywhere, let alone a third world country, is easy. There are a host of little challenges that one has to deal with. You can anticipate and mitigate against some of the challenges. Others will simply pop up with no warning. That is just business.

The key thing to keep in mind is that you are running a business and you have to treat it as such. You have to deal with evaluating your market, financing, and a lot of employee management. It is a process. You aren't going to just fly to Colombia, pick up a girl, put her in front of your laptop webcam, and become the next Larry Flynt/Hugh Heffner overnight. It is a fairly involved process, and part of the process is learning about the market and what sells. Another, more important part of the process is learning how to start and run a business like this in the country you are operating in.

Just so I don't give anyone the impression that this is easy, let me run through a list of things that you have to consider/prepare for:
1. Is such a business legal in the country/city you are operating in?
2. Are there specific labor laws that dictate how you handle your models? (e.g. employment taxes, rules regarding firing them, etc)
3. Is the political climate such that the government will try to shut you down with mickey mouse complaints (zoning issues, department of health citations, etc).
4. You will essentially have $5,000-$10,000 of computer equipment in a house/building located in a third world country. What kind of security will you employ? Are you stocking money away to replace equipment in the event of theft? Keep in mind that the girls you are employing are from some crap neighborhoods, and almost all of them know thugs. It is quite possible that one may mention to her gangster cousin about all of the computers you have in the house/office and he and his homeboys pay you a visit.
5. These girls are flakes. Part of the reason girls get into this line of work is because it is "easy money". How will you handle a chica just not showing up for work for 2 weeks, then coming back like nothing has happened?
6. Do you speak the language? I speak Spanish reasonably well, but my bet is that it would be VASTLY more difficult (and leave you much more vulnerable to exploitation) if you don't speak any of the language of the country you are doing business in.
7. Internet infrastructure. How good is the broadband internet? What is the max number of girls that you can have online and still transmit a quality signal?
8. Equipment cost. I have found that electronics are generally 2-3 times as expensive in these countries as they are here. Are you going to buy locally or import from the U.S.?
9. Tech support. If you are a techie, you can maintain, troubleshoot, and repair your own systems. If not, then you will need someone local.
10. Do you have a lawyer that you can TRUST? This is actually more difficult than you would think. In Costa Rica, some of the biggest crooks around are the attorneys, and many won't hesitate to screw over their gringo client if they can make money off of it. At the same time, having access to a good lawyer is absolutely critical.

These are just the one's I thought of off of the top of my head. There are obviously others. Most of these issues (or variants of them) are actually common for anyone opening a business in a third world country.

(10-19-2011 10:00 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

There are tens of thousands of cam girls out there and the competition is fierce. Unless the girls are spectacular, you are going to have a lot of work ahead of you promoting these girls and getting guys to spend their hard earned dollars.

Actually, in my experience, I have found a simpler way to maximize my return besides doing spending a ton marketing and/or getting a spectacular girl. For me, the key was going into niches/fetishes. When I first started marketing webcams I did what most people did and tried to promote the hottest girls that I could find content for. The problem is that EVERYONE is promoting those hot girls (oftentimes the exact same girls as me).

Once I started going into specialty niches my business started to blow up. For example, I have promoted some truly beautiful girls, but do you want to know who my biggest moneymakers were? A 300lb+ woman in her 40's with gigantic tits and this super feminine looking Thai shemale. For guys that were into that stuff, there are so few models that fit the bill that any model that does will make money.

This is one of the areas where the businessmen are separated from the hobbiests. The hobbiest only goes for models he thinks are hot, while the businessman goes for models he thinks will make him the most money.

The key is to find a niche that works for you . This is why I would rather do this business in some Latin American countries before African or Asian countries. There is a greater level of physical diversity in these countries. In the case of the 300lb model, I was able to market her in 3 separate niches, huge (natural) tits, BBW/Fat, and mature/older.

As with any business, you have to understand you upfront costs, your fixed monthly expenses, your variable monthly expenses, and your monthly revenue. The whole process is an exercise in continuously working to maximize your returns relative to the time and capital you have invested.

Also, there is a very distinct possibility that you will not be able to make the numbers work for you. I considered setting up a webcam studio in the U.S., but no matter how I worked the numbers I could not figure out how to get the profit margin to a level where it was worth doing. You may also find that once you have started the business, the headaches of managing the business and the girls are just not worth it for you.

Take your time and perform a thorough due diligence on this or any business opportunity before you act.

[OldRich]

Joe, you've provided one hell of a knowledge base here for anyone who is interested in doing webcam business. This is some insider shit not many are willing to share. This is as close to "secret" advice as it gets. I won't be getting into this business any time soon for the reasons you've stated, but I can appreciate great advice when I see it.

I believe most guys on this forum won't even come close to have the expertise, the balls or lifestyle to pull this off. It does sound great on paper though, but you'll just be fucking a lot of whores if you're into that. In that case, just pay to fuck them and be done with it. I highly doubt this is the kind of job you'll be enjoying.

[johnw28]

As JoeHoya pointed out owning a bar that caters to sex tourist works. In Costa Rica many of the bar owners will actually take one or two working girls and make them into bartenders if they will still sleep with them on the side. The girl gets more stability in her life and fewer random guys. This is true with many of the bars in the Gulch. The area around Avenida 1 near the Del Rey for people who do not know the city well. But the headaches that it will cause you maybe greater than you realize.

[Aliblahba]

Running a hostel might work. Not gonna make you rich, but getting a constant flow of poor backpacker girls coming through would certainly increase your chance of bangs. The possibilities are endless, if you set up the operation correctly.

[lestatt]

Hi, this thing of the webcam studio was an idea that i had when i was thinking of moving to brazil to join with my brazilian ex-fiancee.
I thought that with her help i could find enough reliable girls. fortunately my relationship came to an end before i could start the business, but i'd like to try...

[K-man]

(10-20-2011 06:24 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Running a hostel might work. Not gonna make you rich, but getting a constant flow of poor backpacker girls coming through would certainly increase your chance of bangs. The possibilities are endless, if you set up the operation correctly.

I had friends who ran a hostel... guess what - they closed after one year in business.
Beds were 8 EUR - another hostel next door advertised 7. They tried 6 - couldn't make the numbers work.
Many visits from health department, fire department, city tourist tax bureau... everyone cites ridiculous regulations they had to comply with or pay a fine (or grease their palm).
No social life, as someone always had to man the front desk, or else you have to pay an employee who just goofs around on facebook while clients complain of bad service.
All in all - not as easy as it sounds.

[Caligula]

(10-21-2011 03:57 AM)K-man Wrote:  

(10-20-2011 06:24 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Running a hostel might work. Not gonna make you rich, but getting a constant flow of poor backpacker girls coming through would certainly increase your chance of bangs. The possibilities are endless, if you set up the operation correctly.

I had friends who ran a hostel... guess what - they closed after one year in business.
Beds were 8 EUR - another hostel next door advertised 7. They tried 6 - couldn't make the numbers work.
Many visits from health department, fire department, city tourist tax bureau... everyone cites ridiculous regulations they had to comply with or pay a fine (or grease their palm).
No social life, as someone always had to man the front desk, or else you have to pay an employee who just goofs around on facebook while clients complain of bad service.
All in all - not as easy as it sounds.

Good reminder that in business you should never get dragged into competing primarily on price.

[Caligula]

(10-20-2011 06:24 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Running a hostel might work. Not gonna make you rich, but getting a constant flow of poor backpacker girls coming through would certainly increase your chance of bangs. The possibilities are endless, if you set up the operation correctly.

Doesn't need to be very hard to set up. In Zagreb I stayed at a 'hostel' which was an apartment where the guys who ran it (all English) had just set up some beds in different rooms. They had one guy down at the train station handing out flyers to travellers getting off the train along with some promotional maps advertising their hostel at the tourist desk; that seemed to be all the marketing they did.

Doubt they were licensed but it seemed to run nicely for them and I stayed there for a few nights.

This was during the summer; I think they converted it back to being an English school in winter.

[Aliblahba]

I would only start a hostel in an area with less competition and enough beds to support a medium bar or small club. This gives you an inside venue to mack on chicks, increase profits. Keep the locals out, except for passing out VIP tickets to girls in town and offer a couple free drinks. If you bring small local bands or respected DJ's they'll take the bait.

Upstairs I would have a private lounge, set up nice. This would only work if the bar/club get really busy. Stay downstairs, and eventually invite a small group of girls together to join in the lounge. Girls that stay in hostels are usually broke, so the offer to "upgrade" to VIP status may seem appealing.

You could offer tour guide services, pickup from the aeropuerto, workout classes, pub crawls, or a number of ancillary biz ideas to increase revenue and make it more appealing for hostelers to stay."All inclusive" is your goal. Connect with local businesses to offer small discounts for your customers, in return for increasing their customer base.

[OldRich]

A big issue I see is dealing with people (generally girls) but be ready to deal with jealous boyfriends, pimps and lowlife. Girls are flaky, fickle and headcases. You have to have a pimp like mentality because that what you are-a pimp, be ready to defend your businesses from all sorts of lowlifes.

[basil]

Honestly any job/business working with a bunch of women is going to give you headaches.
I often supervise 6 to 8 15-21 year old girls in a busy retail environment, it aint easy. They are moody, you need to snap them out of whatever drama they came in with.
Last month I had too deal with a girl whos boyfriend was coming in several times a day and talking to her while she was working. I warned her and told him to take a hike, they ignored me. So I called his boss (a major client) and pointed out that he was slacking on the job and affecting us, boom he was fired the next day. Girl blamed me for getting him fired, threw a fit, but has since got over it, dumped the boyfriend, forgiven me and is back to being a good worker.
Ive often got two cliques of bitchy girls who are meant to be working together but often wont talk to each other, when they do its verbal abuse. You have to break the ice, make them work together.
Be strong, dont take there shit. Don't sweat the small stuff, they will disrespect a whinny bitch even more but come down hard when needed.

[OldRich]

Yea, we're here because we're tired of drama queens in the US or anywhere for that matter. No reason to run to Columbia to invite 10x more drama with open arms. A great business should do at least 3 things for the kind of lifestyle we're after on this forum.

Low overhead
Location independent
Passive income

There is NOTHING remotely close to that life style in becoming a pimp.