[TripleG]

When I first saw this thread I thought OP was trollin'

Speaking from experience as a pale, blonde guy I can say that things are not easy, especially in the west. There is no special treatment given blonde guys and since I live now in a "minority majority" area of US I would even say that I have to work harder than my darker friends to get similar results.

All things being equal dark features will prevail over lighter one's. Most blonde women prefer a darker guy, some brunette women prefer lighter guys. Also, fortunately for OP the "Italian look" is still the most preferred look by most women in the world (think of a young Alessandro Del Piero).

[a beer is enough]

I have noticed the phenomenon, at least among white women, that it is almost always opposites attract when it comes to the hottest girls. Some of my friend are minorities who are suckers for women with dark hair and Caucasian features (Mediterranean, Eastern European, or just white girls in general with that tanned skin dark hair look). I notice that it is very common to see these girls with blond men, a lot of times it is a mismatch in the guy's favor since the girl looks like Emily Ratajkowski and the guy looks like the ugly troll she actually married. Needless to say, my friends have far better luck with redheads and blondes than they do the Wonder Women of the world.

Rarely do I see a hot white girl with that kind of a look going interracial, it makes sense too since you don't really hear of darker guys slaying in European countries that lean more towards the tanned skin dark hair side. In fact, I'd say these girls are not that crazy for the tall dark and handsome look, they love blond and pale guys.

On the other hand I notice I rarely see a hot blonde going for a blond guy. I have found that redheads, natural blondes, and brunettes that look really white (pale skin and freckles) seem to actually love darker guys whether the guy is white or not.

Here is why.

White women who are tanned skin brunettes tend to be more uneasy about how white they look compared to a blond hair blue eyed Scandinavian princess. Due to this, you rarely see them going for darker men and a lot will often sacrifice on quality and pick an Ed Sheeran lookalike over a Jeremy Meeks because of that uneasiness.

Meanwhile, blondes and redheads don't really have that uneasiness and just want the best guys possible. So while these women will definitely fuck a Chris Hemsworth, they won't sacrifice on quality and pick an average looking guy with blond hair over a Jeremy Meeks or Eric Decker like their slightly darker sisters would.

Of all the white guys, I'd say blond men have the most value in the US, far more than an Italian. As America gets less white, this value is only going to get higher to where it turns into Brazil.

On college campuses, the Chads and Thads are the ones slaying.

A lot of the modern day sex symbols among males are blond men (Gosling, Hemsworth brothers, etc.).

I'd say the value of blond men has shot up significantly, only white guys with brown hair and more of that typical Anglo look are as high value. Mediterranean/exotic looking white guys with dark hair aren't that sought after from what I see.

[a beer is enough]

There is a caveat I will add to the previous post though, culture and upbringing will play a big role, almost as much if not more than sexual attraction. Women do not pick men based on looks alone.

I've known sexy tanned skin brunettes who have gone for minorities and darker looking white guys because they were raised in areas where this sort of stuff didn't mean much. One girl I had a oneitis for has a thing for Hispanic men, she is hot as fuck and looks like Jenna Dewan. The area she was raised in was the PNW where guys with that kind of a look were seen as hot and being as white as possible was not as big of a thing.

Similarly, I have known blondes who are hot and have a strong preference for a blond guy because they are the upper middle class American basic girl who wants to fit in.

The point being, preferences aside, always have to take your chances. I have known a blond guy that has bedded a lot of hot blondes as well as minorities who have fucked a great deal of sexy tanned brunettes, not the norm but it happens.

[_Cicero]

I had two other thoughts...

First, is that people with NW European ancestry tend to be taller. Women may prefer dark-haired men, but they really, really prefer taller men. To the extent which I am surprised that wearing lifts in your shoes is not a standard thing in game, particularly for shorter guys. A 5'8" Italian guy is not usually going to be competition for a 6'2" Nordic male. This might explain some of why northern males do well in southern europe, and also why europeans do well with asian girls. White men also can grow facial hair, while many asians can't.

Second thought is that, in a place with mostly dark-haired people -- think Colombia, Japan, or southern Europe -- even if only 10-20% of the women prefer blonde men, that means the demand for blonde men will greatly outstrip the supply...

[foreigngame]

I see a lot of blondes with black guys

Opposites attract I guess

[thedarkknight]

(02-22-2019 02:42 AM)foreigngame Wrote:  

I see a lot of blondes with black guys

Opposites attract I guess

Where?

TDK

[Adrenaline]

I disagree on the height thing Cicero. I don’t think being 6’2 is a huge requirement for women, unless they’re 5’10/11 + themselves. As long as the guy is taller than them in heels, face/body will always come into it more, which sticking to the theme of this thread, includes hair colour. I’m 6’0 myself (right in the middle) so no bias here, but I’ve seen many 5’8 Italians outgame 6’2+ Nordic looking dudes and I’ve seen many girls go crazy over “shorter” guys while completely ignoring the taller ones in the room.

Where I’m from blonde, and lighter skinned women in general tend to go for darker looking guys of Greek, Italian, or Middle Eastern desent, probably because it’s exotic to your typical blonde Aussie surfy looking guy. In saying that, the girls from these darker races don’t seem to go for the blonde guys either and prefer to stick with their own kind. Asian girls love blonde men though, especially if they have long, styled hair.

[casa-nostra]

(02-21-2019 08:31 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

When I first saw this thread I thought OP was trollin'

Speaking from experience as a pale, blonde guy I can say that things are not easy, especially in the west. There is no special treatment given blonde guys and since I live now in a "minority majority" area of US I would even say that I have to work harder than my darker friends to get similar results.

All things being equal dark features will prevail over lighter one's. Most blonde women prefer a darker guy, some brunette women prefer lighter guys. Also, fortunately for OP the "Italian look" is still the most preferred look by most women in the world (think of a young Alessandro Del Piero).

This is so weird , if you live in " minority-majority" place , that would work in your advantage since you will be more exotic than a place where no minority and everyone is pale blond looking.

My theory is : less minority give advantage for minority
More minority gives advantage for pale blond guys.
Correct me if i am wrong?

[hellogoodbye]

(02-22-2019 08:13 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

I disagree on the height thing Cicero. I don’t think being 6’2 is a huge requirement for women, unless they’re 5’10/11 + themselves. As long as the guy is taller than them in heels, face/body will always come into it more, which sticking to the theme of this thread, includes hair colour. I’m 6’0 myself (right in the middle) so no bias here, but I’ve seen many 5’8 Italians outgame 6’2+ Nordic looking dudes and I’ve seen many girls go crazy over “shorter” guys while completely ignoring the taller ones in the room.

This is very true, i mean im 5'10 so almost manlet tier if not manlet and some 5'7 girl i was gaming told some friend she thinks im tall lmao
Its all about perception, if you are a few cm's higher than her you are good to go but thats not set in stone.
One of my manlet friends thats barely 5'7 had a model gf that was taller than even me for a good year or so, whenever they went out they drew funny looks and comments, so yea the female brain isnt really predetermined science

[nomadbrah]

US race and color relations are its own strange thing and should not be confused with European relations.

In Europe, the north and the south have fetishised each other for likely thousands of years. The mixed child of the northern and the southern is the French, so make of that what you will.

[TripleG]

@CasaNostra, your observations are not quite true. A lot of athletes, musicians, community leaders, successful businessman etc. tend to be “minorities” in my area so over decades that is what young people have been condirioned to look up to...the blonde white guy is not viewed anymore as being “sexy” so it is an uphill battle. I actually know plenty of guys who die their hair color and facial features to look darker although some are just going grey but my pt is that the OPs original thread starter is misleading based on his limited experience in Northern Europe.

To be honest as another poster mentioned facial aesthetics trumps everything and secondary it would be height. This is of course for guys who have ok game. Hair color would not be a deal breaker though i have seen many women who prefer to only stick to their own cultural look so if you dont fit the look things will be tough.

[Cam Newton]

There is data from England that over the past 2000 years, selection has favored blonde hair, blue eyes, and increased height.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/052084v1

That being said, even a slight preference could cause this over 2000 years - although I thought these features came from Scandinavia during the Viking raids 1000 years ago...

Anyway, overall, diverse eye and hair colored populations don’t reliably have strong preferences for certain eye and hair colors. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have been diverse for this long.

When there is a lack of diversity of hair and eye color, like in Southern Europe, Latin America, and Asia, reliable preferences are much more likely - as people have mentioned throughout the thread.

Just my 2 cents.

[spectralenergy]

(02-22-2019 01:06 AM)_Cicero Wrote:  

First, is that people with NW European ancestry tend to be taller. Women may prefer dark-haired men, but they really, really prefer taller men.

This hurts me as I am just 5.10, but I feel it is the truth. And I understand them also. Women want to feel small next to their man. At best they will accept equal height, but that is also not the norm. You have to be taller or equal to them in their HEELS.

Many guys claim that game trumps height and ofc it is true, but I think the value of height is sadly much bigger than what most of guys think.

[casa-nostra]

Lets be Honest and tell the truth, Most Girls physically prefer Dark haired mens, mostly minority (its see as More masculine) . However in racist countries, Girls tend to prefer blonds mens (because they are seen as richer mens , whatever they are or not , but just psychologically)


So either you are blond or Dark haired you will have an advantage with certain type of womens.

[burncushlikewood]

I'm just sitting here thinking who cares what blonde women think
Most Latin women have dark hair anyway and that's what I'm going after

[scipiu]

OP, I think the explanation is pretty easy: the competition is just harsher in Belgium. Compared to Poland there are more tall good looking men with their shit together for a considerably smaller pool of fit, good looking women. So Belgian women can afford to be more selective and if you walk around long enough in Belgium you will see a lot of guys actually dating down. Then there's also the aspect that an Italian isn't really exotic in Belgium, for there are a significant amount of Italian immigrants that arrived in the 50s and 60s. As a last note I would also state that game in Belgium is very much social circle based.

It's only natural to yield poorer results in Belgium than in Poland. On tinder and on the streets.

[a beer is enough]

The irony here is that as much as minorities whine about the “white man”, it usually are the WASPs and Northern Europeans who treat men of color like normal human beings or give them some value for being exotic. You typically hear of well put-together black and brown guys slaying in Northern Europe and as a whole the really white countries where women are occasionally intrigued by the look. Even if their race doesn’t necessarily help them as much, at least it can be easily compensated for by other attractive traits, can’t say that about a lot of the world.

Even within the US, my best experiences with women have come in the very white midwest and Great Lakes region. It is why whenever I see someone whining about white girls, I know the issue is almost always them. Anglo/Nordic/Northern Euro white girls are ready to overlook race if the guy is a quality guy.

Now compare that to the experiences ethnics have in South America and even the more swarthy European countries where they will readily put a social justice whiner in his place. The overlap between politics, racism, social views and game is very strong.

It worries me immensely how bad racism towards men of color and darker guys is going to be in the US once whites become the minority. Then again, as the country becomes less white, no wonder the stock of blond haired white men in media has shot through the roof. The Latins and South Americans have long had an obsession with the Hitler ideal, even Hitler himself was a swarthy fuck. Once whites lose their majority in the west, men of color won’t have the privilege to cry about how unfair it is that hot blondes prefer a 6'3 handsome Chad over their 5’6 pudgy smelly funny sounding persona, they’ll be lucky if they are not drinking from another water fountain. Latinos and Arabs are some of the most genuinely racist people on this entire planet.

Things like racial equality, accepting people of different values, empathy, and a genuine love for humanity are all Anglo and Northern European values. There is just something about Anglo and Northern European culture which supports racial equality, not even Southern Europeans and more swarthier Europeans are that advanced in their thinking. Yet, it is always the Anglos and Northern Europeans being attacked for "racism", take a trip to Italy and see just how "open minded" the locals are compared to Denmark and Sweden. You'll be lucky if you don't have bananas thrown at you like the soccer players do.

Take a trip through any of the darker countries or around people from those backgrounds to see how bigoted they truly are and how big the women are on race when it comes to attraction.

Even in the modern day western world, it is no argument that ethnic women are some of the biggest supporters of white supremacy, ever notice how so many white supremacists are married to Asian women? Then you have ethnic white knights who will readily drop to their knees and worship her after suffering through the friend zone.

Definitely some tough times ahead for non-white guys and darker guys in general.

If blond men were not at the top of the attraction ladder, they are going to be very very soon.

[thedarkknight]

(02-24-2019 02:44 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

The irony here is that as much as minorities whine about the “white man”, it usually are the WASPs and Northern Europeans who treat men of color like normal human beings or give them some value for being exotic. You typically hear of well put-together black and brown guys slaying in Northern Europe and as a whole the really white countries where women are occasionally intrigued by the look. Even if their race doesn’t necessarily help them as much, at least it can be easily compensated for by other attractive traits, can’t say that about a lot of the world.

Even within the US, my best experiences with women have come in the very white midwest and Great Lakes region. It is why whenever I see someone whining about white girls, I know the issue is almost always them. Anglo/Nordic/Northern Euro white girls are ready to overlook race if the guy is a quality guy.

Now compare that to the experiences ethnics have in South America and even the more swarthy European countries where they will readily put a social justice whiner in his place. The overlap between politics, racism, social views and game is very strong.

It worries me immensely how bad racism towards men of color and darker guys is going to be in the US once whites become the minority. Then again, as the country becomes less white, no wonder the stock of blond haired white men in media has shot through the roof. The Latins and South Americans have long had an obsession with the Hitler ideal, even Hitler himself was a swarthy fuck. Once whites lose their majority in the west, men of color won’t have the privilege to cry about how unfair it is that hot blondes prefer a 6'3 handsome Chad over their 5’6 pudgy smelly funny sounding persona, they’ll be lucky if they are not drinking from another water fountain. Latinos and Arabs are some of the most genuinely racist people on this entire planet.

Things like racial equality, accepting people of different values, empathy, and a genuine love for humanity are all Anglo and Northern European values. There is just something about Anglo and Northern European culture which supports racial equality, not even Southern Europeans and more swarthier Europeans are that advanced in their thinking. Yet, it is always the Anglos and Northern Europeans being attacked for "racism", take a trip to Italy and see just how "open minded" the locals are compared to Denmark and Sweden. You'll be lucky if you don't have bananas thrown at you like the soccer players do.

Take a trip through any of the darker countries or around people from those backgrounds to see how bigoted they truly are and how big the women are on race when it comes to attraction.

Even in the modern day western world, it is no argument that ethnic women are some of the biggest supporters of white supremacy, ever notice how so many white supremacists are married to Asian women? Then you have ethnic white knights who will readily drop to their knees and worship her after suffering through the friend zone.

Definitely some tough times ahead for non-white guys and darker guys in general.

If blond men were not at the top of the attraction ladder, they are going to be very very soon.

Sobering.

I can’t say I disagree with a single word you wrote.

I don’t know much about Arabs, as there aren’t that many in the U.K. but in Europe... they’re low class and unattractive. They can be as racist as they want but they ain’t doing shit because no one cares.

Also I loled at the water fountain and banana lines. I ain’t stepping foot in the Middle East or Southern Europe. They don’t want me there and I don’t want to be around them.

Everyone’s a winner.

TDK

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(02-24-2019 07:37 AM)scipiu Wrote:  

OP, I think the explanation is pretty easy: the competition is just harsher in Belgium. Compared to Poland there are more tall good looking men with their shit together for a considerably smaller pool of fit, good looking women. So Belgian women can afford to be more selective and if you walk around long enough in Belgium you will see a lot of guys actually dating down. Then there's also the aspect that an Italian isn't really exotic in Belgium, for there are a significant amount of Italian immigrants that arrived in the 50s and 60s. As a last note I would also state that game in Belgium is very much social circle based.

It's only natural to yield poorer results in Belgium than in Poland. On tinder and on the streets.

I've got to second this. Since moving from East Germany to Hamburg in the west, I've noticed a drastic shift in my fortunes daygaming here and it's the same deal: The male competition is much, much stronger (guys here are much taller than in the east on average), there's a super abundance of guys with money, the "diversity" factor is off the charts and, to top it all off, the ratio of bangable to hideous women is much worse than in, say, Leipzig. I'm much ballsier in my approaches, yet the payoff is practically zero every time. Of the 6 dates from daygame that I've pulled since coming here, four have been Polish and one from Moldova. And before I forget: The degree to which some guys date down here with local "women" is eye-popping.

It's the same with pick-up as with house buying. The biggest factors are:

1.Location
2.Location
3. And did I mention, location?

[a beer is enough]

(02-24-2019 03:21 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 02:44 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

The irony here is that as much as minorities whine about the “white man”, it usually are the WASPs and Northern Europeans who treat men of color like normal human beings or give them some value for being exotic. You typically hear of well put-together black and brown guys slaying in Northern Europe and as a whole the really white countries where women are occasionally intrigued by the look. Even if their race doesn’t necessarily help them as much, at least it can be easily compensated for by other attractive traits, can’t say that about a lot of the world.

Even within the US, my best experiences with women have come in the very white midwest and Great Lakes region. It is why whenever I see someone whining about white girls, I know the issue is almost always them. Anglo/Nordic/Northern Euro white girls are ready to overlook race if the guy is a quality guy.

Now compare that to the experiences ethnics have in South America and even the more swarthy European countries where they will readily put a social justice whiner in his place. The overlap between politics, racism, social views and game is very strong.

It worries me immensely how bad racism towards men of color and darker guys is going to be in the US once whites become the minority. Then again, as the country becomes less white, no wonder the stock of blond haired white men in media has shot through the roof. The Latins and South Americans have long had an obsession with the Hitler ideal, even Hitler himself was a swarthy fuck. Once whites lose their majority in the west, men of color won’t have the privilege to cry about how unfair it is that hot blondes prefer a 6'3 handsome Chad over their 5’6 pudgy smelly funny sounding persona, they’ll be lucky if they are not drinking from another water fountain. Latinos and Arabs are some of the most genuinely racist people on this entire planet.

Things like racial equality, accepting people of different values, empathy, and a genuine love for humanity are all Anglo and Northern European values. There is just something about Anglo and Northern European culture which supports racial equality, not even Southern Europeans and more swarthier Europeans are that advanced in their thinking. Yet, it is always the Anglos and Northern Europeans being attacked for "racism", take a trip to Italy and see just how "open minded" the locals are compared to Denmark and Sweden. You'll be lucky if you don't have bananas thrown at you like the soccer players do.

Take a trip through any of the darker countries or around people from those backgrounds to see how bigoted they truly are and how big the women are on race when it comes to attraction.

Even in the modern day western world, it is no argument that ethnic women are some of the biggest supporters of white supremacy, ever notice how so many white supremacists are married to Asian women? Then you have ethnic white knights who will readily drop to their knees and worship her after suffering through the friend zone.

Definitely some tough times ahead for non-white guys and darker guys in general.

If blond men were not at the top of the attraction ladder, they are going to be very very soon.

Sobering.

I can’t say I disagree with a single word you wrote.

I don’t know much about Arabs, as there aren’t that many in the U.K. but in Europe... they’re low class and unattractive. They can be as racist as they want but they ain’t doing shit because no one cares.

Also I loled at the water fountain and banana lines. I ain’t stepping foot in the Middle East or Southern Europe. They don’t want me there and I don’t want to be around them.

Everyone’s a winner.

TDK

The problem is they are coming out west and the western world is getting less and less Anglo. As much as everyone on this forum loves to thrash Anglo women; when women from the narcissistic cultures like the Middle East integrate into western society you get a woman that makes the typical blue haired skillrex haircut feminist look like wife material.

As ironic as it may sound, it is in the best interest of ethnic guys to vote for Alt Right politics. The politics themselves are aimed to at least vet immigration from backwards third world shitholes. Uncontrolled immigration from South America and the Middle East is going to turn the western world into the same caste system they have in Colombia, Brazil, and all of the Middle East where blond haired whites are worshiped and everyone else is treated like an animal. At the very least, control who is coming from these dumps and limit it to where we are getting the more worldly, cultured, and educated people from that part of the world.

If brown immigrants keep flooding the western world, the biggest losers are going to be the men of those backgrounds.