Quote: (12-01-2018 10:34 AM)Dantes Wrote:
All this analysis about what percentiles men fall into is futile. It was mentioned here recently (I forget by which poster) that women assess attractiveness in binary terms-they are either attracted to you or not. That is just how they are wired. They don't rate men on scale of 1-10 unless they are forced into it in a contrived way. Besides, while looks are important it is just one factor- one factor in what drives dating habits of women. For men you don't have to have model looks or be at whatever stupid percentile you select as a cutoff-you just have to be attractive enough, not to get ruled out.
The OP is likely over-rating the women he is referring to being with sub-average to average looking men in Chicago. Men are guilty of falling into the pre-selection habit just like women. Furthermore, he should focus more attention on women who are actually suitable targets to pursue. I spent a little time in Chicago and there are plenty of single cute women to focus on. The city is wide open from my estimate.
With that said, lets assume they are legit cute girls (e.g. 7),-it isn't difficult to figure out. They are probably mid-western girls who have prioritized men who are more suitable for a LTR. The men the OP describes while likely herbs are a safe bet-they are good worker bees, all of their non-work mental energy is spent on watching and discussing sports. They will accompany their girlfriends to baby showers, brunches with friends, work barbecues, and pose for goofy pictures with a plastered fake smile on. Again, they are a safe bet. The riskiest behavior they might undertake is drinking too much beer at a sports bar with their friends. If they lock down their high school or college sweetheart, they are unlikely to stray. They live a boring, nondescript life-which is safe for a woman who prioritizes a LTR. Respect for those women who lock down a beta-herb early in life and can avoid the Instagram nonsense about living and "exciting life" and finding yourself in your 20s.
Thing about this -- these "herbs" are still essentially locking down attractive women and having reasonably good relationships with them. This in my mind is at least as respectable as being a "dark triad alpha" who slays Instagram thots. Maybe they don't elicit the animalistic passion that a legitimate "dark triad alpha" would, but they're still doing completely fine for themselves.
I've noticed a lot of condescencion towards these "herbs" from PUAs and others in the manosphere. At worst, it's jealous sour grapes -- at best, it's just a flawed and insecure perception of how actual sexual dynamics work.
I agree that relative to the pool of women who are routinely trying to hook up or lead a promiscuous YOLO lifestyle, there is a small percent of the male population that actually hooks up with them. But limiting the conversation to this slice of the population is stupid IMO -- since there are millions more people who are in relatively satisfying relationships.
This is purely my subjective understanding of things, but I've seen it play out in every environment I've ever lived in (from liberal big city environments to smaller suburbs). I would say that 20% of the men are actively single and trying to hook up, maybe 60% are in relationships, and maybe another 20% get no action at all. This is a very rough estimate, but it is what I have observed.
I also have an interesting story to share. There's been some discussion on here about how some men are uber-players who have women begging to fuck them. The reality is that more men than you think are actually in this role. I was shooting the shit with two of my coworkers. One was an average-looking white guy, the other an average-looking Indian guy. Both were telling me about how they had girls blowing up their phones, begging to suck them off...it wasn't happening constantly, but they definitely did have some girls who were crazy about them.
Point is, all the "5%" shit that people are discussing here is not limited to some tiny percentage of the population...it's actually pretty accessible and common.
Alpha and beta is also a terrible binary, most people are a little bit of both...I know very few people who cleanly fit into either category. On top of that the definitions for both are hardly set in stone. For some, cheating on their LTR's is "alpha" -- to me and many others, it's not.
All in all, huge parts of the red pill framework are pretty inaccurate. Game is legit, but a lot of the beliefs in the community are not. Guys like LINUX mention this in their posts...it's telling how more experienced guys can generally recognize the bullshit so to speak.
