[Pride male]

I haven't really been with a lot of woman but I got the impression if you don't have money, you are invisible to black women. On the other hand I have met Asian and white women who didn't seem to care that I was totally broke. Are black women generally more materialistic than other women? Or are all women the same? I have also heard that Asian women are the most materialistic? And who is the least materialistic?

[Lance Blastoff]

If you're black, black women don't apparently care given the high incidence of single motherhood.

If you're a rich black guy, as far as I can tell, you date outside your race. or very selectively within it.

Asian women are the most materialistic as a group, but this is mostly Asian cultural influence. The whitewashed ones are the same as white girls - they behave like children.

[TexMexBBQ]

As a white male, in the world I grew up in, high value white women were the most materialistic/accomplishment conscious in the sense that they wanted you to have demonstrated achievement and LTR sustainable income potential before you would be allowed to have increasing levels of access (or any access at all). No degree, no good job, no good vehicle = virtually no chance for access no matter how good you thought your game was. BUT the world I grew up in was in a very christian conservative part of the rust belt, so extremely beta oriented. Sure there were some instantly recognizable alpha anomalies out there, but extremely rare.

[Funkbus40]

I think you are setting up a mental barrier. Materialism in women can go any way and has far more to do with the individual then aggregate.

In my current situation I am surrounded women who live in very expensive apartments, wear lau lau lemon and other designer cloths, ect. I dress moderately, drive a decent car and spend about 30-40 on drinks a night. These have in no cases excluded me from getting numbers and notches.

Alot of black women flaunt wealth by owning Louis Vuitton bags or wearing jewelry but tend to not actually be rich let alone middle class. White girls will tend to wear designer and like exspenive things. Same with Asians.

But when determining value of a guy status via job and social circle will carry infinitely more weight than what you wear or own. Case in point roger elliot.

I suggests if your gaming black women follow the same steps, attraction, comfort and seduction but in the attraction phase focus on your achievements and stability.

[RatInTheWoods]

My experience is that Asian women are all about the dollar.

[Mentavious]

Why aren’t Arab women on this last?

[debeguiled]

Eastern European gypsies a few weeks before their weddings are the most materialistic. Their parents are too.

[66Scorpio]

I voted Asian but that has a few caveats and limitations. Chinese girls raised and living in China are very materialistic in a sort of "silver-digger" way. If you don't have or are on track to have the Three C's - a condo, a car and a stable career - then you probably aren't LTR material. Hong Kong and Shanghai girls like their designer clothes and accessories, fine dining and such probably because they or their family is well off, even by western standards. I don't really have experience with other Asians, including East Indian.

[American_Pharaoh]

The whole flashing shit is pretty big among black women. Having the latest designer bullshit and flexing on other women costs money.

Even if they don’t have it looking like you live above your means is pretty big in my community period why do you think such violence can pop off over something as small as sneakers.

[a beer is enough]

I think brown women, of all kinds, win that award but they are materialistic in a different way. Whether we are talking Persian women or Latinas, I have found that a lot of do value a high salary and money if you are anything other than a white guy or in some cases a black guy.

From what I have noticed, Middle Eastern and Hispanic women are the most desperate to climb the social ladder and about how they are perceived. Exceptions can be made here though, if you are a blue eyed blond haired white guy then you can get away with being broke because they will perceive your blue eyes and blond hair as being rich in a different way. Black guys in some cases, if they are American, can get away with being poor because brown women are desperate to be seen as cool and fit in.

In other words, if you are anything other than a pale white guy or unless she is the type of chick with a thing for black dudes, you better be making a ton of cash and have a ton of social status.

[Kieran]

^ Some posters such as you seem to have a completely inaccurate idea of what it's like for white men. I understand that there are obstacles for some minorities when it comes to getting women of certain races (and for some there are also some advantages), but you need to understand that it's not the cakewalk that you think it is for white men so that you can get on with doing the best you can.

[Pride male]

^Kieran are speaking from experience as a white men or as a black man?

[Aviel]

Asian bitches are the most materialistic. I’m kinda surprised since they are the ugliest women.

I’d have to be paid to sleep with an Asian girl.

[BigTony]

It depends on which country you are in.

In America, black women are mostly attracted to bad boys, guys with swag, drug dealers, guys in and out of the penitentiary and hood dudes.

'If he ain't hood, I ain't checking for him. He better be street if he's looking at me'. This is the type of guy many black females want. I don't think money plays a part in their decision to choose these types of guys. It would also explain why there are so many children being born without a responsible father in the household.

As other posters mentioned, Asians seem to be the most materialistic. From my experiences in Asia, I would have to agree with that.

[Not a Second Hander]

First of all, to the guy who said Chinese women are gold diggers because they expect you to have a Condo, Car and stable career- that's called having standards. If not fucking smelly musicians makes one a gold digger then I'm a huge fan. I have enough experience with Chinese girls to say they are not materialistic or hold digging. They're probably the only demographic of women I have ever dated who consistently and genuinely offer to pay for dinner and dates. For SE Asians it's more of a move to the west deal rather than pure materialism. I don't blame the poor ones. That's called common sense. Korean women though are another ball game. By far the most materialistic and gold digging Asians. Never been with one but my Uni had a large Korean community which made me somewhat cognizant about their mentality.

Middle Eastern women are not materialistic in the true sense of the word. They are lazy and entitled because they get spoiled by their fathers, brothers, boyfriends and husbands who throw money at all their female problems. Nagging girlfriend? Buy her something to shut her up and smoke hookah with the boys talking about Palestine. They do it in the same non-chalant fashion one would give an annoying meowing cat a scrap from the table. Similar to my own culture, the men also NEVER let women pay for anything. The girls are used to that and expect a white guy to do the same. White guy brings up this you buy me the next round bullshit and ME girl loses attraction. White boys go around saying they're gold diggers. They're mostly not.

White girls of Western background are by far the least materialistic. Especially in countries with strong social safety nets like in Scandinavia, Germany.

No idea about Latins have had no contact

African American girls - the ones fucking thugs are for the most part the ugly fat ones.. A hot, big booty, fair-skinned, urban black girl from America's black majority cities like Atlanta, Washington and St. Louis is the worst creature on the planet. Materialistic to absurdity. Pure greed.

African girls - good loyal women who do however expect s man to have his shit together.

@Kieran being a white man is an advantage with most women and a disadvantage with none. Black girls, world renowned for being bitches with attitude give you guys exactly none of that bullshit while giving us the eye-roll and hand. With Asian girls you just have to show up. Even Arab women are open to dating a white guy.

It's just not something you can know or see unless you're not white.

[a beer is enough]

(10-24-2018 03:46 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

^ Some posters such as you seem to have a completely inaccurate idea of what it's like for white men. I understand that there are obstacles for some minorities when it comes to getting women of certain races (and for some there are also some advantages), but you need to understand that it's not the cakewalk that you think it is for white men so that you can get on with doing the best you can.

I mostly agree with you, no doubt about that but there is some truth to what I have said. I also don't want this thread to be occupied by whiney minorities talking about how the world is stacked against them as they walk around bitter and point fingers at everyone rather than taking some responsibility for themselves.

IMO, I feel like these days a well put together minority has somewhat of an edge against white guys when it comes to gaming white women unless that white guy is top value himself.

Now all that being said, I do want to say that there are large enough subsets in certain ethnic groups of women such as Latinas, Middle Eastern, Asian, and Indian women that absolutely worship whiteness out of a sense of insecurity and self-hatred. By this I mean these girls would pass up a handsome ethnic guy for an average looking white guy. If you want to throw in Mediterranean/darker featured white women into that crowd then I think it applies to them as well. Even this forum has noted how in places like Brazil and Colombia, being blonde or light featured white is an automatic status booster.

Among women of this subset, a white guy really has to not mess up because these women are so self-hating and insecure that they will fuck a plain average looking white guy to cover up for their insecurities.

But I do think it comes full circle at some point because long term, I don't know who would want to stick to fucking mentally sick and insecure women that fit that bill. It might be easy for you because you're white but you're welcoming a laundry list of mental health issues and insecurities into your life while accepting the likelihood that your future son is going to have that self-hating Eliot Rodger complex.

[Kieran]

Firstly I just want to say that I don't want to turn this into a race argument, and I'm not trying to discount your experiences. I want to see men of all races having the success they want with the women they want. All I'm trying to point out is that it's not as easy for white men as it is often made out to be by some posters here, and they'd be better off focusing on playing the cards they've been dealt rather than arguing about who's got it worse. Game forums and the manosphere wouldn't be full of white men if it was as easy for them as it's being made out to be.

Also, I don't know if it's a US thing or what because in the UK all my black and mixed friends are getting great results with women of all types. That's why these threads just confuse me because it's nothing like what I see out. If anything, my mixed friends have it the easiest out of anybody I know, much easier than white or black guys with girls of various types (that said, it's not easy for any of us and we're all working for what we get).

I respect your experiences though and I'm not going to argue with them, and I understand that there are women out there that still hold certain prejudices, but just like I can't tell you how it is for black men, you also can't necessarily understand white men's experiences and may be taking a few examples and then assuming that they apply to all white men.

[Cold]

Pride Male are you in S.A or from there ?

I'd say a lot of it has to do with the culture, lots of influence from the west causing even the black men to be similarly materialistic and value wealth, from experience, I've seen black guys without money date attractive black women, but they usually didn't look "poor". So I'd say its more the appearance of wealth rather than actually having it, depending on the circles you are in e.g young college, however if its young professionals it may be a different story. As pointed out by other members in the thread, there are other races of women that seem to be more materialistic than black ones.

[Kid Twist]

(10-27-2018 05:59 PM)Not a Second Hander Wrote:  

It's just not something you can know or see unless you're not white.

I am very well aware of what you are saying (as being accurate) because I pay attention. My race has nothing to do with seeing or knowing it.

[EndsExpect]

(10-27-2018 06:15 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

IMO, I feel like these days a well put together minority has somewhat of an edge against white guys when it comes to gaming white women unless that white guy is top value himself.
Now all that being said, I do want to say that there are large enough subsets in certain ethnic groups of women such as Latinas, Middle Eastern, Asian, and Indian women that absolutely worship whiteness out of a sense of insecurity and self-hatred. By this I mean these girls would pass up a handsome ethnic guy for an average looking white guy. If you want to throw in Mediterranean/darker featured white women into that crowd then I think it applies to them as well. Even this forum has noted how in places like Brazil and Colombia, being blonde or light featured white is an automatic status booster.
Among women of this subset, a white guy really has to not mess up because these women are so self-hating and insecure that they will fuck a plain average looking white guy to cover up for their insecurities.
But I do think it comes full circle at some point because long term, I don't know who would want to stick to fucking mentally sick and insecure women that fit that bill. It might be easy for you because you're white but you're welcoming a laundry list of mental health issues and insecurities into your life while accepting the likelihood that your future son is going to have that self-hating Eliot Rodger complex.

I don't think you understand women very well. Most of the "brown" women who like European descended men are doing it for cultural reasons that have nothing to do with skin tone.

Let's say you are a dark as fuck Indian girl. Now you can marry an Indian guy and then live as a bitch slave to not only him but also whole damn family. Everything you do is judged, measured, and commented on by hordes of in-laws and even people you have never met. OR... You could marry a European guy and escape. European culture is not very demanding of a woman and the in-laws are rarely involved.

Also... white girls like my sister who exclusively chase black men do not do it because they hate their own ethnicity. In fact, part of the allure of these men is that she imagines them as lowly servants existing only to fulfill her desires. It's a kind of race fetishizing that I think only fat ugly white women do... but I could be wrong.

[rudebwoy]

All the top designer shops in my local mall, have Asian girls working there.

They are hired because they are catering to that clientele.

Asian as in Chinese, they rule the luxury market.

[Waqqle]

My suspicion based on observation and experience:

In general, all women are naturally materialistic in more or less equal measure to women of other races who belong to a similar socio-economic class. The degree to which this may negatively or positively effect you depends upon your real or perceived socio-economic value relative to hers. There are other factors to consider too though like the fact that you might be of a racial background which is fetishized by a particular woman of another racial background and/or she might imagine that being with you would be less stressful than being with a man from her own same background (Western men for example are often thought to not require their wives to be ordered around by his parents - something common in many cultures) so she may overlook socio-economics to a greater degree than she might normally be inclined to do with a male of her own or another racial background.

The materialism of women is mostly rooted in biology and, for the most part, the only things that keep it in check are social pressure, sincere religious conviction on her part, and the limits on how much material prosperity she can realistically demand of a man based on what she has to trade for it (ie: how attractive she is and how many good qualities she has).

Another factor to consider is whether or not you are dealing with immigrant girls. This is because certain groups of immigrant females in certain countries (take for example mainland Chinese girls in Vancouver) tend to heavily consist of women who are from the aristocracy/mafia back in their home countries and so are used to having shady rich guys throw money at them and drive them around in imported sports cars. These girls are almost never worth the effort required to get their attention unless you have more money than God and cost is not a factor so you just do not have to put in much if any effort to game them on your end because they can already smell your money. However, if you find a girl of the same ethnic background in another country or in the home country and she is from a much lower socio-economic status and is not used to rich guys showering her with luxuries then you'll probably find that, by comparison, she is less materialistic and more receptive to your advances.

[a beer is enough]

(10-28-2018 07:49 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Firstly I just want to say that I don't want to turn this into a race argument, and I'm not trying to discount your experiences. I want to see men of all races having the success they want with the women they want. All I'm trying to point out is that it's not as easy for white men as it is often made out to be by some posters here, and they'd be better off focusing on playing the cards they've been dealt rather than arguing about who's got it worse. Game forums and the manosphere wouldn't be full of white men if it was as easy for them as it's being made out to be.

Also, I don't know if it's a US thing or what because in the UK all my black and mixed friends are getting great results with women of all types. That's why these threads just confuse me because it's nothing like what I see out. If anything, my mixed friends have it the easiest out of anybody I know, much easier than white or black guys with girls of various types (that said, it's not easy for any of us and we're all working for what we get).

I respect your experiences though and I'm not going to argue with them, and I understand that there are women out there that still hold certain prejudices, but just like I can't tell you how it is for black men, you also can't necessarily understand white men's experiences and may be taking a few examples and then assuming that they apply to all white men.

I think there was a mixup, the truth is I actually agree with all of what you said. I agree that as a whole, white men do not have that easy compared to minorities. What I am saying is that there are select groups of women out there who do worship whiteness and that can work to your benefit.

My main point was that quality gets quality.

So some below average looking white guy got a self-hating Latina who likely has a laundry list of mental health issues and is as insecure as they come, she goes for him because she thinks being around someone white raises her status. Then you get a well put together brown guy who gets a hot blonde or a good looking white woman that is happy to be with him for who he is as an individual and not his race.

The brown guy is a winner in my eyes.

It can also work in reverse too. I also acknowledge that the vast majority of white guys you see out there with hot girls and quality women are not getting them solely based on the fact that they are white themselves but rather they bring something to the table such as good looks, money, status and an awesome lifestyle.

[Quays2]

I find Middle Eastern girls are extremely materialistic but maybe that’s because the only ones that don’t go crazy Muslim are materialistic.

[Jimmyboy]

Fat lonely white women are the worst in their perception of black men wanting them.