[JohnQPublic]

It seems like a lot of the peak performance coach types of guys always try to get you to motivate yourself by setting goals even if you think they are unattainable. So in this spirit let's try it with game.

If you got setup with the "girl of your dreams" and she was down for a weekend meet with you, what would you do?

Let's set some rules so we're all talking about the same thing:

- You just hit a new milestone at work (got a bonus, made more money then ever, etc), so you can splurge and money is not so much of a problem. You can spend 2-3 times more than you would normally spend.

- You have met once with a trustworthy mutual friend, who tells you the Dream Girl is down and wants to meet. But your dream girl lives in a different city, only about a 1 hour flight away, but one of you has to travel.

- This girl of the dreams isn't necessarily who you think you have a chance with. it's like something fell out of the sky and based on your trustworthy friend the game is yours to lose.

What would you do?

[Jetset]

Two things:

#1) I don't have a "dream girl". If she's within the acceptable BMI range, has C-cups or better, refrains from crazy-texting, and never cum-dodges, there's a place for her in the Jetset Organization. I'm flexible on the tits if she can cook something interesting.

#2) I'll take her to a cool cocktail lounge. First round is on me. If she wants to reap any benefits from my "splurging", it'll be using my high-quality sheets and towels, and if she's a very good girl, I might even let her into my fridge to make breakfast.

[sinota]

Prolly go fishing, hunting, BJJ. Put her on my motorbike with my big dog. Smoke some cigars. We can do it all in Fishtown.

Bumping this thread even though I'll get hate from those veteran members because think FEEL like the "dream hot girls" are best when I was in the younger part of the NYC area with the DJ/bartender types who had strong social circles that always made me FEEL left out.

Serious answer: It's her game to lose YOU = Knock her off the pedestal. You're the prize. Do whatever the fuck (a socially calibrated dude) would do.

[JohnQPublic]

(10-06-2018 03:35 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

Two things:

#1) I don't have a "dream girl". If she's within the acceptable BMI range, has C-cups or better, refrains from crazy-texting, and never cum-dodges, there's a place for her in the Jetset Organization. I'm flexible on the tits if she can cook something interesting.

#2) I'll take her to a cool cocktail lounge. First round is on me. If she wants to reap any benefits from my "splurging", it'll be using my high-quality sheets and towels, and if she's a very good girl, I might even let her into my fridge to make breakfast.

So slim, bit tits, not psycho and horny. Cooking is a plus.

Well, I was thinking guys would tell what they would do if they got to go out with a girl from "What do you consider a 10" thread.

Not sure what I would do, probably try to get her into a neutral weekend spot so there wouldn't be distractions.

[Jetset]

(10-07-2018 01:37 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

So slim, bit tits, not psycho and horny. Cooking is a plus.

Well, I was thinking guys would tell what they would do if they got to go out with a girl from "What do you consider a 10" thread.

Not sure what I would do, probably try to get her into a neutral weekend spot so there wouldn't be distractions.

My point is that I wouldn't fall over myself trying to woo a 10. I would have definitely tried that at 22, and it would have blown up on me when I didn't realize I'd been marked as a chump provider and kept trying to game her. In fact, I'm pretty sure it did. If she wants dick, she's going to get it, and she's more likely to want it if I don't act like I need her.

Today, I'd just choose a better cocktail bar, and keep a 7 with no dignity on backup.

[torridon747]

My dream girls stay in my dreams where they belong.

I like to deal with regular girls in real life. Human, flawed, regular girls.

If you find yourself projecting that type of attitude on to these real, flawed, insecure, feminine women you will lose them because a) you're putting them on a pedestal and b) you're putting them into a box they may or may not like or be capable of fitting in.

10s (9s) still shit, fart, fuck, and put their thot clothes on one leg and one arm at a time. The halo effect is real, but they're just insecure women like any other.

[LINUX]

I'd do MDMA and fuck her in a penthouse hotel room with a jacuzzi at 105 degrees fahrenheit and king size bed.

I'd play some female vocal trance music, have lots of Gatorade, lollipops, and some electric blankets for cuddling while rolling.

I'd also document it with 4k video and some high quality photos from a DSLR.

[JohnQPublic]

If I said what's your dream car, I think most guys would answer without saying they are putting it on a pedestal.

It's about what you want and how to get it. Not worrying about whether or not she's getting more than you. this is not the dream wife.

[JohnQPublic]

(10-07-2018 03:24 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

I'd play some female vocal trance music, have lots of Gatorade, lollipops, and some electric blankets for cuddling while rolling.

I'd also document it with 4k video and some high quality photos from a DSLR.

This is good.

[Jetset]

(10-07-2018 07:08 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

If I said what's your dream car, I think most guys would answer without saying they are putting it on a pedestal.

Yes, but if you asked me how i would impress the car of my dreams if money were no object, the truth if that I'd still take it to the same ghetto Shell I always hit, because it works.

[BadBoyGamer]

Sounds all very blue pilled to me.

I get the great and wonderful opportunity to meet the 'girl of my dreams'. My trusty friend managed to convince her to spend the weekend with me. To make this meet happen I have to travel a relative large distance.

Or basically...I do not need any balls or game?

That is how "nice guy beta boys" think.

Bet I am supposed to impress her with an expensive car or something. Or by showing off my sophistication by being an excellent wine taster.

[JohnQPublic]

(10-07-2018 09:41 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

Yes, but if you asked me how i would impress the car of my dreams if money were no object, the truth if that I'd still take it to the same ghetto Shell I always hit, because it works.

Well that was the question and you answered. I didn't say money is no object, Jetset, I said you can spend 2-3 times what you normally spend. So if you usually spend $15 on a date you could spend $40. I don't go for girls trying to milk me either, but I don't care if they try, it doesn't work and they hang around anyway, because I made her think I have something more to offer than cash.

(10-08-2018 04:08 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

Sounds all very blue pilled to me.

I get the great and wonderful opportunity to meet the 'girl of my dreams'. My trusty friend managed to convince her to spend the weekend with me. To make this meet happen I have to travel a relative large distance.

Or basically...I do not need any balls or game?

That is how "nice guy beta boys" think.

Bet I am supposed to impress her with an expensive car or something. Or by showing off my sophistication by being an excellent wine taster.

Naw. You are getting hung up on semantics. People here are posting stuff like, I want to go meet non-Westernized women, so I am moving to Asia or which country is best for thin HBs with big tits. That's not any different. What do you guys consider a 10 has 283 pages of replies, so obviously this is not a boring topic.

I'm just saying, OK, once you get that girl what do you do? Game is more than just getting the date. Let's take it to the next level. I said that you are getting set up and you can spend 3-4 times normal to avoid responses like, I will never meet her, or don't want to spend money.

Labels don't mean much to me. Lots of guys think they are red pill, but this forum is full of threads with titles like, does travel mean i have to bang 5s, where can i go where height doesn't matter, or will penis enlargment help me.

[Jetset]

(10-08-2018 08:02 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 09:41 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

Yes, but if you asked me how i would impress the car of my dreams if money were no object, the truth if that I'd still take it to the same ghetto Shell I always hit, because it works.

Well that was the question and you answered. I didn't say money is no object, Jetset, I said you can spend 3-4 times what you normally spend. So if you usually spend $15 on a date you could spend $50-60. Just don't get it when guys try to make it a contest by showing the girl they don't have to make effort. Why not just make her think you are making effort without doing much?

You ask why not make her think you're making a lot of effort, and the reason is because women are rarely capable of gratitude. They are typically raised to believe that they "deserve" that effort, and doing less for them will get you a better result than doing more, or even appearing to do more.

It confuses them and makes them wonder why you're so valuable that you don't need them and aren't falling all over yourself like the other guys. You must be special. Maybe you're the 10, not her.

I have said on this forum before, women don't take their car to a mechanic, get a free oil change because she has big tits, and think "wow, that was a huge favor, I owe him sex". No, she just got a free oil change, because her tits have been getting her special treatment in exchange for nothing all her life, and she reliably goes home and tells her girlfriends how "nice" the mechanic was. The mechanic is a simp who doesn't understand his place in the order of things, and gave her a reward for doing nothing as if her body makes her nobility.

Status and attention are the currency women get paid in. If you pay them for doing nothing, they will continue to do nothing. If you show them that you are capable of paying them, but won't pay them until they earn it, they will earn it. Do you go around paying men money to do nothing for you? Do you give employees a raise hoping they'll start working harder after? You'd have to be dumb.

It's that simple. Take her somewhere cool, show her a glimpse of your amazing life, and let her figure out that the way to join you on that ride is to be respectful, dress nice, act feminine, and to fuck hard, fuck dirty, and fuck often. If you treat a woman who hasn't even sucked your cock like a princess, she'll just continue expecting that treatment - and she will never suck your cock. This is how you become a "beta orbiter", a guy who spends years pouring resources into a woman who has already written him off as "like a brother".

In your scenario, "the game is mine to lose". That means it isn't my job to impress her. She's already been impressed. Now her job is to prove that she's worth wasting any more time on now that I've graciously worked her into my schedule. I don't give a shit if she's a 10. If this night doesn't end with me draining my ballsack into her, I'm probably not scheduling a second night, and there's no way in hell I'm ever going to start feeding her ass. You can forget traveling for her, too. I can bang two local plates in the three hours it'd take to get out there, waste my night, and come back.

No disrespect, but this thread reads like Plato's Symposium, except with you taking the position of an anime fan who thinks women fall in love with the smiling chumps who try hardest. Crack open some Tomassi. This is basic material.

[JohnQPublic]

(10-08-2018 08:15 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

It's that simple. Take her somewhere cool, show her a glimpse of your amazing life, and let her figure out that the way to join you on that ride is to be respectful, dress nice, act feminine, and to fuck hard, fuck dirty, and fuck often. If you treat a woman who hasn't even sucked your cock like a princess, she'll just continue expecting that treatment - and she will never suck your cock. This is how you become a "beta orbiter", a guy who spends years pouring resources into a woman who has already written him off as "like a brother".

In your scenario, "the game is mine to lose". That means it isn't my job to impress her. She's already been impressed. Now her job is to prove that she's worth wasting any more time on now that I've graciously worked her into my schedule. I don't give a shit if she's a 10. If this night doesn't end with me draining my ballsack into her, I'm probably not scheduling a second night, and there's no way in hell I'm ever going to start feeding her ass. You can forget traveling for her, too. I can bang two local plates in the three hours it'd take to get out there, waste my night, and come back.

Jetset you keep giving good answers without liking the question. If the game is mine to lose I go to win. I don't invest more than the time spent or the money I would with any other girl I go out with. She will travel, i will travel or we'll meet in the middle. I do that because I'm pretty confident this is worth my time. I am not completely risk averse and don't mind losing a couple if I'm winning more than I lose.

People are reading a lot more into this than what is there.

[Sender]

A dreamgirl for hook-up I see as almost irrelevant. The hotter the better, obviously.

For short-term there would be a psychological aspect. It would correlate to how much she desires to be with me and how little investment I have in her. The more she wants me and the less I need her would qualify how much of a 'dreamgirl' she is. Kinda evil and validation seeking, I know, but it is what it is. Perhaps it's just where I am now and that will change with time.

For long-term -- a unicorn. A women that is your equal and your support without needing to be gamed. But they don't exist.

My perfect 'date' would be a week spent together in the hot-house of a warm, comfortable room somewhere in absoloute isolation. Fucking, talking, laughing, wrapping our bodies around one another. Like a pressure cooker that smelts us into eachother and conditions us to lay bare our being, with absoloute honesty, revealing every one of our flaws with purity and without judgement.

Or Nandos and a quickie. That works too

[SL888]

talking about dream girls, have anyone of you noticed that there are like two types of bodies (like muscles/ skin?)

1)
it's toned..
first class
when you put her under the sun, she will be nice brown at the end of the day
muscles are firm
she can drink heavy and smoke and she is still healty


2)
it's soft
she can be in the gym every day and be slim but she is still "soft"
when you put her under the sun, she will be pink and red at the end of the day
body is like lower quality overall
she must live a "healthy" life to be ok.. no excessive clubbing or night life..



I have a theory that it is based on blood type or something..

also 1st group - those are my types (dream girls)
2nd group - hate them

[Jetset]

(10-08-2018 08:38 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

Jetset you keep giving good answers without liking the question....I don't invest more than the time spent or the money I would with any other girl I go out with.

OK, so I've obviously missed it. What is the question?

The way I read it, your question is "what would you do to impress a 10".

My answer to that question is "nothing". She's already on the hook. I'd make some small adjustments to make room for her in my schedule.

There's a very attractive woman who cooks like Nigella Lawson that's been begging me to meet up with her for "coffee" the next time our schedules coincide. She's buying, she insists. She sends pics on demand.

I'm in an LTR and not interested in cheating right now, but if I use that connection, I'm not even going to admit that I scheduled anything around her. I have other reasons to be in the city - cool reasons that may imply she's competing with another woman - and she's welcome to tag along. I might even pay for the coffee if she wears something low-cut.

In your scenario, if her city sucks, I'm certainly not bothering to visit her. She can come visit me or she can come join me somewhere that's fun for me. My place/hotel is invariably going to be cooler than hers anyway and she'll behave better if she knows I can throw her out instead of the other way around. "You get your plane ticket, I'll get the hotel [that I'm paying for anyway]." Net cost to me of stretching her out all weekend: $0.

Bottom line, drinks somewhere high-status where hot young cocktail waitresses dress slutty and make her feel intimidated is going to get you further then over-investing in her fantasy weekend. She needs to see your fantasy weekend to realize how lucky she is that you invited her. Giving desirable women visitor's passes into your life should be part of your regular game, not something you've got to go off-road to accommodate when an opportunity shows up.

[JohnQPublic]

(10-08-2018 09:49 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 08:38 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

Jetset you keep giving good answers without liking the question....I don't invest more than the time spent or the money I would with any other girl I go out with.

OK, so I've obviously missed it. What is the question?

The way I read it, your question is "what would you do to impress a 10".

My answer to that question is "nothing". She's already on the hook. I'd make some small adjustments to make room for her in my schedule.

There's a very attractive woman who cooks like Nigella Lawson that's been begging me to meet up with her for "coffee" the next time our schedules coincide. She's buying, she insists. She sends pics on demand.

I'm in an LTR and not interested in cheating right now, but if I use that connection, I'm not even going to admit that I scheduled anything around her. I have other reasons to be in the city - cool reasons that may imply she's competing with another woman - and she's welcome to tag along. I might even pay for the coffee if she wears something low-cut.

In your scenario, if her city sucks, I'm certainly not bothering to visit her. She can come visit me or she can come join me somewhere that's fun for me. My place/hotel is invariably going to be cooler than hers anyway and she'll behave better if she knows I can throw her out instead of the other way around. "You get your plane ticket, I'll get the hotel [that I'm paying for anyway]." Net cost to me of stretching her out all weekend: $0.

Bottom line, drinks somewhere high-status where hot young cocktail waitresses dress slutty and make her feel intimidated is going to get you further then over-investing in her fantasy weekend. She needs to see your fantasy weekend to realize how lucky she is that you invited her.

You don't get it because, respectfully, you are making all kinds of limiting assumptions. I said what would you do? You understood "what would you do to impress her". I said you can spend 2-3 times more, you think spend as much as possible. You answered what you would do. That matches your objectives and outcome. Other guys are saying what they would do and that's great.

[General Stalin]

I would have us both pop some X, take a Viagra, then bring her to a swinger's resort and fuck her for hours in front of everyone while they all watch.

[Jetset]

(10-08-2018 10:03 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

You don't get it because, respectfully, you are making all kinds of limiting assumptions. I said what would you do? You understood "what would you do to impress her". I said you can spend 2-3 times more, you think spend as much as possible. You answered what you would do. That matches your objectives and outcome. Other guys are saying what they would do and that's great.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm just trying to understand why I'd even think of spending more on a ten who doesn't live close enough to make into a regular.

"Dream Girl" smacks of Oneitis/pedestalization, and the assumption that I need to work up special plans for a woman who just needs a drink and an excuse smacks of anti-game.

If that's not where you're going, fair enough, but it's what I was trying to warn you off about, with as much good humor as possible. Others, too.

[BadBoyGamer]

Sorry to say, but your question is poorly formulated.

My end goal is to bang this girl a few times and then friend-zone her. I'd encourage her to date a 'nice guy beta boy' while I keep banging her behind his back. Everyone be happy.

[General Stalin]

@Jetset - you're putting to much "redpill" analysis into this.

The question is basically what would be your ideal thing to do with your ideal girl.

[JohnQPublic]

(10-08-2018 10:19 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 10:03 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

You don't get it because, respectfully, you are making all kinds of limiting assumptions. I said what would you do? You understood "what would you do to impress her". I said you can spend 2-3 times more, you think spend as much as possible. You answered what you would do. That matches your objectives and outcome. Other guys are saying what they would do and that's great.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm just trying to understand why I'd even think of spending more on a ten who doesn't live close enough to make into a regular.

"Dream Girl" smacks of Oneitis/pedestalization, and the assumption that I need to work up special plans for a woman who just needs a drink and an excuse smacks of anti-game.

If that's not where you're going, fair enough, but it's what I was trying to warn you off about, with as much good humor as possible. Others, too.

(10-08-2018 10:31 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

Sorry to say, but your question is poorly formulated.

My end goal is to bang this girl a few times and then friend-zone her. I'd encourage her to date a 'nice guy beta boy' while I keep banging her behind his back. Everyone be happy.

OK got it. Poorly formulated, plus hits some negative connotation keywords.

[Jetset]

(10-08-2018 10:42 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

The question is basically what would be your ideal thing to do with your ideal girl.

Maybe I'm just jaded from trying to help obtuse people in Newbie threads. I've been thinking about selling an introductory game audiobook for $49.95, but it's mostly just me yelling "COMPLIANCE TESTING" over and over again like Steve Ballmer and my publisher says it scares focus groups.

Alright, I'll play. So I've got a weekend, and this plate will travel at her expense?

I'm "in New York for business" and have something to do Saturday, she can join me. Friday night after a "business dinner", we can connect at a cocktail bar, and if it goes well turn it into a couple of mini-dates: window shopping, a snack from a food cart, then pop into the hotel to "charge my phone" and break her in for a while.

Saturday, NY Auto Show is a good cover story for why you're staying in town. All the concept cars and attractive women showing them make it look higher-status than it really is, it's actually enjoyable as a man, and it's bewildering to a lot of women but they still have fun. We'll do something exotic and new to her, but inexpensive and cozy for dinner. Ethiopian, say. Then we'll stay out for music and drinks, and/or a strip club if she's actually any fun.

Pick a comfortable hotel with good logistics in mind and you can get her back into the room to bang her between every meal and still make her feel like she had an adventure seeing the city.

When you drop her off at the station on Sunday morning, tell her you're offering a great bonus if she refers her hot friends and sisters. Don't let her be sure if you're kidding.

[PapayaTapper]

Id do a courtesy shower after the last one