[the-dream]

We all know that these that things are reaching a dangerous level of stupidity now and it doesn't seem accidental because if you go on something like the BBC news website (the British government controlled news), then it's all basically propaganda pushing these things.

My question is why are the governments, media and powerful families/big players in the society of the West pushing this onto the people and what is their end game?

[debeguiled]

Divide and conquer distracts us from top down manipulation, we all kill each other and the elites pick up the pieces with a drastically reduced population.

[Built to Fade]

(10-06-2018 02:22 PM)the-dream Wrote:  

We all know that these that things are reaching a dangerous level of stupidity now and it doesn't seem accidental because if you go on something like the BBC news website (the British government controlled news), then it's all basically propaganda pushing these things.

My question is why are the governments, media and powerful families/big players in the society of the West pushing this onto the people and what is their end game?

What's easier for the masses to accept: a beautiful lie or the ugly truth?

The correct answer is indicated by the current state of the world.
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I think that the goal has been unchanged.

I think it's about worship, either by being adored or feared.

Not much thinking is required to see which kind of worship is being enforced.

[Cr33pin]

Strong men with healthy families are a huge threat. As they will do what needs to be done to protect them, even if it means rising up with other men and challenging the narrative.

[hv123]

Low wages.

[The Catalyst]

Read anonymousconservative's r/K theory, it explains why these r selected traits come into existence.

[Brodiaga]

Divide and rule. It's that simple.

[Thot Leader]

I think Roosh has said that a society composed of nuclear families is the only one that can resist tyranny. So, the elites will do anything to break up the traditional family while still keeping us working/consuming/spending/paying taxes.

[Easy_C]

Read that for your answer.

Then go ahead and read the works of early 20th century eugenicists. A good starting point after that book is to read some of what his brother, Julian Huxley, put out.

It's a more complicated question than can be answered here but the long term goal hasn't changed from those early eugenicist writings and ideas: a completely engineered society where (to explain it in a VASTLY oversimplified manner) the relationship between the leaders and the people is the same as between a rancher and his cattle.

[Graft]

Feminism is an extremely easy answer: more money for consumerism. I can see examples of this in a few ways:

1. More independent women working leads to more of their money towards frivolous purchases: clothes, "experiences", expensive food, overpriced drinks, nightlife. I'm relatively happy with a book and some grilled chicken, women (in NYC at least) always need the most instagrammable event.
2. More single people leads to more male money being spent on these same frivolous purchases: clothes, dinner dates, nightclub cover, VIP bottles, basically anything that leads to more pussy. Every date I go on is about $50 for food/drinks, I go on a few a week. Add in the costs of clothes, haircuts, upkeep, etc, and its a few hundred a week being spent towards getting laid.

Without a partner to be financially accountable towards, less money is saved and more is being spent "in the moment." The increasing price of pussy leads to more and more money shelled out by successful males in the form of nightlife and clothes.

[Paracelsus]

Feminism, gay accommodation, and broken families all benefit consumerism, as has been pointed out. The System wants people so tied to consuming that they don't stop to think why they're spending all this money, a.k.a. the moment that there was such a thing as two-income households was the day it became inevitable that you would need two incomes to even run a household at all. Single mothers, as The Last Psychiatrist has pointed out, are the System's perfect woman: they have no choice but to go all-in on the hamster wheel of consumerism.

False rape advocacy is accommodated more out of feminism's idiocy than anything else. The demand that we believe all rape accusations is a religious belief for people who have no religion. This sort of person is the kind of idiot who thinks that the falsely accused don't matter - the kind of person who rationalises it by saying that being falsely accused of such a crime can be an enlightening experience for that person. They're like the cop who, thanks to working with walking shit for most of their lives, carries the dark believe that everybody's guilty of something. Certain professions, certain jobs, certain belief systems have the capability to shift a person's moral centre, to stop them thinking of other people as human.

Islam, though, is accommodated I think because the System needs a low labor cost workforce, at least until AI and T-800s are perfected at which point we're all fucked anyway. The Muslims coming through are not doctors or high-end business types, they're shonky kebab-store owners, delivery drivers, taxi drivers, etc. The system wants them because they thought they were getting people who have just enough brains to work for the system but not enough brains to figure out how to challenge them. What the System didn't understand is that it was getting people who have just enough brains to take Islam literally but not enough brains to allow anyone to question it. The System thought it was getting bodies, and instead it's getting an entire culture that, sadly, is highly resilient and intolerant. As Nassim Taleb points out: all other things being equal, it takes an intolerant minority of only 4% of the population to dictate if not overwhelm a tolerant majority, also see why every food carton for sale has a kosher symbol on it even though Jews amount to roughly 0.5% of America's population.

[10119]

Paracelsus
Very good post and I agree with your conclusions. Just a minor clarification that Jews are 2% of the American population. The point still stands, of course. Its just as remarkable to have the certification whether the population is 2% or. 0.5% .

On the other hand the manufacturerers also have the certification partly because many non Jewish consumers associate Kosher products with higher quality. Sausages/ hot dogs being one example. The cost / benefit makes financial sense , I imagine getting that Kosher stamp is not very expensive.

[Easy_C]

To add on to that, things like the false rape accusations seem to be judged by effect. If they're helpful to the overall goal of breaking down the society and facilitating remodeling it to a collectivist vision then those trends are given a helping shove to accelerate them. Otherwise they're stonewalled and shut out.

That's the difference between MRA's and PUA's. Both are men's movements, but the PUAs are focused primarily on facilitating degenerate behavior that furthers Western eugenics. MRA's are (as much as I dislike them) having a negative effect by undermining post-modernist and social marxist talking points that relate to gender relations; consequently they're actively mocked and attacked.

[John Dodds]

I think it's an excuse to implement an oppressive police state.
Restrictions on movement and total survellience 24/7.

[Not a Second Hander]

An old post by board member Raw God explains what's happening. I'm not capable of such brevity kudos to him.

Quote:

Before the modern era, the mass of people were illiterate peasants with no say in their lives and no informed opinions about anything.

The rise of the printing press, living standards and mass education brought in a brief era of citizens rather than subjects, where ordinary people could at least aspire to being informed and independent, captains of their fate. This was known as the yeoman ideal, a society of strong individuals and families engaged civically and in the "pursuit of happiness". It was built up between 1850-2000 because smart workers were needed for the more complex tasks of the era.

Now, such a citizenship is no longer needed economically, due to increased technology. We don't need many so many skilled workers, and a high number of people with actual agency is seen as a threat by the ruling class. Why would they want a nation of people with intact families, armed, knowing how to grow their own food and fix their own machinery? Especially if they read old books with dangerous ideas.

So what we are getting is a return to a world of a mass of ignorant peasants. Placated with smart phones and their physiology altered by the consumption of poor quality food, they aggressively defend the very power structure that keeps them at the bottom, just like medieval peasants.

When I walk down the street and see all of these "educated, sophisticated" people, with their lattes, electronic gadgets and opinions regurgitated from the media, I see them the same way that I would have seen the peasants of an earlier era - just background scenery, and unfortunately people who will aggressively drag me down. Get money from them and have sex with the prettier women. That's all you can do.

[DarkTriad]

A lot of good answers above, but the Islam one is a little more complex. You would need terror attacks on a mass and consistent and personal level to justify discarding all the hard won freedoms we've gained over the years. Only close proximity to the worst Islam has to offer can achieve this. No, don't look at the much less expensive examples from Hungary and Japan of simply not letting the people sworn to tear down your country into it, the only way is let them in en masse and then throw all your Western freedoms on a funeral pyre. This gives you the 2 most important things you need.

1 - a sophisticated police state capable of completely controlling the flow of information and any possible dissidents to their control

2 - an insane hatred of Islam that makes Western countries willing to turn their nations to glass if they threaten anyone we're friendly with in the Middle East, but leave their hands clean, and us only furether subject to guilt trip control.

The Muslims are pawns that are going to be sacrificed, they're not players themselves (anymore). Someone is going to win this game, but it won't be Islam or us. I suggest we not play this game.

[Disco_Volante]

To enslave people you have to control every aspect of their reality. Family, community, racial identity give people allegiances beyond the state.
Hence everything from boyscouts to dating has to be forcibly altered until you kneel in submission to their bullshit. White males are the biggest threat to them so they figure they'll deal with the others later.

Obviously things like cashless, traceable currency and a disarmed population are also necessary. I bought a new phone this week I was amazed at all the data it tried to milk from me just for fucking turning it on.

I'm personally amazed at how many willing true believers they created while enacting their global enslavement. Guess goyim means 'cattle' after all...

[Paracelsus]

(10-06-2018 09:36 PM)10119 Wrote:  

Paracelsus
Very good post and I agree with your conclusions. Just a minor clarification that Jews are 2% of the American population. The point still stands, of course. Its just as remarkable to have the certification whether the population is 2% or. 0.5% .

On the other hand the manufacturerers also have the certification partly because many non Jewish consumers associate Kosher products with higher quality. Sausages/ hot dogs being one example. The cost / benefit makes financial sense , I imagine getting that Kosher stamp is not very expensive.

Taleb also acknowledges that point: because the change is something that tolerant people will put up with, but intolerant people won't put up with unless you make it. Non-Jewish people will eat kosher food, but not the other way round.

This same idiocy is why we have transgender public restrooms, albeit it's not been quite as successful because of such primitive impulses as not wanting to send your nine year old daughter into the same toilet as a 29-year-old male who dresses like a woman because he has fucked-up hormones, a fucked-up belief system, or both.

[Nonpareil]

Because it removes power from evil white men.

...Not evil white men like George Soros, the Koch Brothers, the Rothschilds or any of the white men in Hollywood mind you, white men like me and you.

[Foolsgo1d]

(((Western Elite)))

[911]

(10-06-2018 11:11 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

A lot of good answers above, but the Islam one is a little more complex. You would need terror attacks on a mass and consistent and personal level to justify discarding all the hard won freedoms we've gained over the years. Only close proximity to the worst Islam has to offer can achieve this. No, don't look at the much less expensive examples from Hungary and Japan of simply not letting the people sworn to tear down your country into it, the only way is let them in en masse and then throw all your Western freedoms on a funeral pyre. This gives you the 2 most important things you need.

1 - a sophisticated police state capable of completely controlling the flow of information and any possible dissidents to their control

2 - an insane hatred of Islam that makes Western countries willing to turn their nations to glass if they threaten anyone we're friendly with in the Middle East, but leave their hands clean, and us only furether subject to guilt trip control.

The Muslims are pawns that are going to be sacrificed, they're not players themselves (anymore). Someone is going to win this game, but it won't be Islam or us. I suggest we not play this game.

+1.

(10-06-2018 03:39 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

I think Roosh has said that a society composed of nuclear families is the only one that can resist tyranny. So, the elites will do anything to break up the traditional family while still keeping us working/consuming/spending/paying taxes.

And along with the destruction of the family, the destruction of traditional faith in the West (Christianity) and of ethnic identity and community structure.

This social engineering has been done through the mass media (Leave it to Beaver>>>Modern Family), through k-12-Uni indoctrination, government policies (welfare for single moms) and urban development (shipping migrants and turning vibrant city centers into ghettos, happening now in Europe and happened in the 1960-70s in the US).

[Kaligula]

Contrary to technoutopia illusion, I think that globalists actually try to bring down western societies by overburdening their financial and social systems. Ever heard about the convergence doctrine? East and West become so similar, that NWO, One World, becomes possible.

Almost immediately after the collapse of communism, mass asylum immigration started (no economic arguments anymore, this is neither workers nor consumer immigration), Sweden being the best example. Collapse of economy, IQ lowering - all that means that we are going towards no technoutopia. By the way, society with high-level military technic and low-level consumer technic can exist - that was Soviet Union.

You could look at the Western society as, of example, Sweden, as a low-entropy society. However, in the coming world of resources running low, it will be hard to keep low-entropy society running, since keeping low entropy demands high energy input. So we are crashing towards high-entropy society.

The problem with technological society is that it is not a static one, it must move forward. It is not feasible anymore in the world of scarce resources. Technology was supposed to be a bit like Euro currency was supposed to work: by creating pressure to move upwards, Greece was supposed to become so efficient like Germany, Third World countries were supposed to become like Sweden or UK. Well, we know how it all turned out. The system dynamics is towards higher, not lower entropy.
The Roman Emperor Vespasian once bought plans of a technical invention in order to destroy it, since he believed that this invention would take jobs and destroy a stable social structure.

I wonder how deeply entrenched economical explanations are in the Western mindset. An example: after it became kind of hard to believe that mass immigration is just new workforce, the new meme has appeared that immigrants are primarily new consumers because of low birth rate in the West. Really? Women surely felt to be extremely respected and pandered to, knowing that society is ready to go to such extremes just to protect her 'freedom of the womb'. That such explanation (taking low birth rates for granted) could ever be mounted simply shows how laughable all that is, but also how powerful women became in the West. Well, since low birth rates are neither really granted nor inevitable, nothing which follows from this presumption, whether immigration, consumerism, can be really a truthful argument, right?!

[dies irae]

I read some of the works of early 20th century eugenicists. Elites are terrified by the possibility of being taken down and killed by the common men which happened with French Revolution and Bolshevism.

The elites of the era Harriman, Rockefeller and Carnegie donated huge sums of money to the eugenists in order to get rid of the genes of the people who are deemed unfit for civilization. What's happening today might be another strategy to weaken the society so that the elites get to keep their elite status without facing a revolution, losing their power and getting killed.

[Kaligula]

(01-18-2019 06:53 AM)dies irae Wrote:  

I read some of the works of early 20th century eugenicists.

Would you mind naming those works and their authors?

The elites have many other control mechanisms in place, especially fiat money system and central banks, so I do not think that they really need eugenics yet. The biggest threat to elites are other elites: the biggest enemy of the Roman Senate was Ceasar, not Roman populus.

On the other hand, certainly Huxley's "The brave, new, world" is a world shapen by eugenics (different social castes), even though the book's modern reception concentrated more on the "soma". One more proof that we tend to see everything through the lenses of our actual living experience; the soma being read as a good approximation of the modern feel-good pills & media brainwashed society. Coming back to Huxley, it is interesting where he got his idea of those Alfa, Beta, Gamma, Delta peoples. From his family?
The important point is that the Brave, New World eugenics is the downsizing eugenics: people are not being improved, but rather artificially taken down, except for Alphas, who stay just as as they are.
The reason for such a world, as given by World Controller Mustapha Mond, were past centuries of wars.

[Kaligula]

There is this theory, created in Lyndon LaRouche movement, that conservation movement etc is a conspiracy of British - Venetian - Byzantine (phanariots) elites in order to hinder development of America. I can understand the British, but I wonder why there are so keen on Venice and Byzantium.

Anyway, the more credible part of this theory is that elites want to rule through stasis, i.e. kind of unsolvable, festering conflict which results in social stagnation. One of the interesting parts of this theory is that modern multiculturalism has its origins in the East India Company governance system of India: different laws for different peoples, conservation of caste social system etc. It was something rather different than the late Victorian "white man burden".
Remember, until the 1857 Indian Mutiny, India was a private, corporate state ruled by a shareholder company. And what is USA now? Isn't, for example, the Council on Foreign Relations, something like a board of directors ?
The day I realized that Britain is not what it seems like is when I learnt that Crown's Privy Council is actually a standing, parallel government in waiting which has almost the same powers as Her Majesty Goverment.


I find the theory interesting, especially as multiculturalism started in Anglo countries (Britain is now India, hm?). And the British, whether East India Company, or Aldous Huxley, or public schools, seem to be especially keen on the caste system. And the British Crown is still standing, whereas the American, the French, the Russian revolutions lost. Sad.


The only hope that this system sometimes backfires, like in 1857 in India.