[The Golden God]

Roosh I know you knew your time was coming, you have plenty of guys around who are going to support you and spread your work regardless of what amazon does with the books on there. Now is your time to fight back and show that Amazon is censoring you based on the success of your new book that is strictly self-help and politically unbiased.

Plus, the "game book so successful that the SJWs at amazon won't allow its sale" has a nice ring to it and the opportunity to cut out the middle man and grow your e-store, which looked great when I ordered Game on Friday.

This is proving what you teach in the book is true and expresses the need for a work like this in today's society.

The universe is handing you an opportunity here to do good for the cause, and promote your new book.

[Roosh]

I did an article which shares the full details: http://www.rooshv.com/amazon-has-banned-...xplanation

[Going strong]

A sad and worrisome move from Amazon (though not that surprising, I mean considering the P-C times we live in).

I am not surprised by the way that they would remove Roosh's latest, most prestigious and successful book, Game, from their shop, but keep a few of Roosh's older books on sale.

For them, it allows to maintain a semblance of freedom of speech: Oh look, Roosh is not totally silenced, we do sell some of his books.

Also it somehow reminds me of the pledge of the tennisman Tennys Sandgren, about whom I wrote here. When Tennys was making a few hundreds bucks on the secondary Challenger tour, he was allowed to have a Twitter extremely red-pill, very similar in thought to this forum. But when Tennys started moving to the big league of big ATP250 tournaments, thus starting to make tens of thousands of USD, then the Establishment came onto him like a ton of bricks.

What I mean to say is, the crooked Establishment is sending Roosh a message. He is allowed to make a little bit of money, but if he starts going into the big financial league (I think Roosh brilliantly sold 2000 books in a few days), then the Establishment will thwart him and crush his source of income.

The Establishment people agree to let us "Conservative red-pill men" survive as middle-class, but if we move into big-money territory, then the Globalists, laughing at our nerve and audacity, quickly crush us, or try to.

It's actually, below, how rich Globalist people see us, valiant red-pill men who try to reach to new highs and make serious money:


if we come close to success, they will try and burn our wings!

[chicane]

Time to buy Amazon stock and file a class action lawsuit against the board of directors.

[The Golden God]

(09-10-2018 12:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I did an article which shares the full details: http://www.rooshv.com/amazon-has-banned-...xplanation

Great way to handle it and a good write-up and presentation of your argument.

If they won't treat content creators fairly no matter what it is they are selling, then they need to be exposed.

There's nothing scarier to the elite of today than the possibility of more self-sufficient and rational men, that would get in the way of the dream of globalization and the breakdown of society as we know it. The global elite won't stop until this is every man:

[zoom]

Roosh,

lulu.com is a publishing company that sells game books. You could have them print and ship your books.

[Skank_Hunt]

Fucking hell, I am so sorry this has happened. The 2+ years of work put into this, brilliant sales numbers which were only going to continue... I think the popularity had something to do with it. As well as the fact that this book helps white heterosexual males.

As on your article regarding this ban, there are countless books with content which is offensive, vulgar, pornographic, you name it.

I am proud to have paid in Crypto today, making the conscious choice to not give Amazon anything. Roosh was helpful in making this happen despite what I didn't know at the time, that Amazon had basically shitcanned all his life's work, and arguably his proudest work after just a few days.

Apart from encouraging and establishing independent links with incentives to pay via Cryptocurrency (and holding a part of the Crypto in case of huge moves up in the future), there is something to be said about "the book that was banned by Amazon" or the book so effective that the mainstream, including but not limited to Amazon, Barnes & Noble and others, banned it after only 2 days on sale.

My wording might not be perfect but you get the idea. I remember when I was younger and some games were banned, like the first GTA and one of the "BLOOD" series, both for extreme violence. It just made all the guys I knew go that extra mile to get their hands on the game however they could, because if the game was banned from sale in the entire country, it must be fucking kickass.

So there could be a silver lining but in all honesty this fucking stinks. It was looking like it was going to climb up the best sellers list, which would have been amazing. Amazon maybe saw that as likely and didn't want to be associated with your name up high like that. Perhaps, too, there were still a few complaints from the remnants of the mob that hunted you down a couple years ago.

The funny thing is, Mystery Method and books that write about how to seduce women, including "LMR" and stuff, are still there. And when that book was released it didn't cause a shitstorm. Now I think any book written by someone defined as a "PUA" teaching heterosexual men to "game" women is automatically offensive, when 10-15 years ago it was just another book.

What a bunch of cunts.

[The Golden God]

Mike has jumped in on this now too, even with his little grudge against Roosh...

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Ok, what the hell is up with all the Mwarglarglaz Walblarzazgs in Amazon's help? I've talked to their personnel a few times and though it's an evil globalist corporation that needs to get raped by antitrust laws, at least it had normal English-speaking people.

[Luvianka]

So, (((Jeff Bezos))) just ordered to censor Roosh. How come?

[rotekz]

Talk to Vox Day if you haven't already. He managed to get a SJW Amazon employee removed that was delisting his books. However this may be happening at a higher level.

On Saturday I ordered the paperback on UK Amazon and it is still due for delivery soon. However the UK listing is now also down. The Audible version is still available.

[RedPillUK]

Ask them if you can speak to someone with better English.

[godzilla]

Roosh is more dangerous then Hitler!

You can still buy Mein Kempf on amazon.

[Hypno]

Use this as a marketing opportunity—banned on Amazon!!!

[nomadbrah]

This is some real bs, but I can only agree with those calling for every member to spend the $10 for the book. Roosh has always underpriced his books and this one seems to be priced similarly at a "must buy" price point.

[Jetset]

Maybe the real reason is that your books discriminate. Bang Ukraine, Bang Estonia, etc.

Title the next one "Bang Earth".

[Investment Bro]

Hi Roosh,

I work with Amazon on a frequent basis and have been in similar situations regarding these types of issues. I'm not sure what action you've taken so far besides opening a ticket, but I have a couple of suggestions that have worked for me in the past:

1: Write an email to [email protected] listing the "violation" and how you believe you can correct it. Amazon may have actually individually reviewed each book given your status, but more likely than not this was an autoban by an Amazon bot. It likely involves the title of your books, which has gotten myself and my clients in trouble previously. Not sure how much leeway you have to change that, but it might be worth looking into.

For example, if I believed it was the titles that caused the issue I would write a specific plan of action that included how the titles and images would be changed to something "less offensive". I'd tell them SPECIFICALLY what that was. Any appeal needs to be as specific as possible.

2: Write to [email protected]. The only team that can overrule seller-performance is the Amazon leadership team. Escalating it to [email protected] will ensure that the real decision makers will look over your appeal. Specifically detail how you've abided by the terms and conditions, and how you feel your ban is a mistake. As many specifics as possible in a respectful manner.

This will give you the best chance of having your stuff reinstated. However, it's very likely you'd have to change material in each, so it may be a nonstarter for you. Just wanted to present the information.

[flulrich]

(09-10-2018 11:00 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

Roosh owns several platforms that do well. He did a great campaign for the release of Game.

Just as women are not allowed on his platforms, Amazon has the right to pull his content.

Does it suck? Yes.

There is no "freedom of speech" in a world of private ownership.

Several differences: (a) Women are not selling their stuff on Roosh's platforms; (b) they have ample other platforms to go on that have equivalent or larger reach.

Amazon basically has a de facto platform monopoly for books. Where else are you going to sell your books instead?

Even more: Roosh has built his sale infrastructure for years on Amazon. If you own a spec of land, and someone rents it to build his shop on there; can you simply bulldoze his shop after you were fine with it being on there for 5+ years, because NOW you found something you didn't like?

[godfather dust]

(09-10-2018 01:55 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

Maybe the real reason is that your books discriminate. Bang Ukraine, Bang Estonia, etc.

Title the next one "Bang Earth".

"Bang, Wife and Worship Fat Women" is what they are looking for.

[Vill@in]

Live look at Amazon and the remaining stock of Game:

[flulrich]

(09-10-2018 01:34 PM)The Golden God Wrote:  

Mike has jumped in on this now too, even with his little grudge against Roosh...

there was a grudge?

[questor70]

IMHO, the reason "Just F*ck Me!" isn't controversial is it's written by a woman.

It's only when men reverse-engineer female nature that it's considered offensive.

And yet, Rollo's work is still there, for instance.

https://www.amazon.com/Rollo-Tomassi/e/B...553&sr=1-1

I guess if you write in flowery academic prose it's tolerable.

[Veloce]

And yet, there are numerous rape fantasy books written by women still available

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(09-10-2018 12:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I did an article which shares the full details: http://www.rooshv.com/amazon-has-banned-...xplanation

Note to anyone who is reading this and writes for any media publication.

The banning of any book is news. So this should be a news story. You might wanna get on it. History is not going to view this kindly, especially in light of the fact that there are other books on Amazon that could be considered a lot more dangerous -- such as "The Anarchist Cookbook."
https://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookboo...s+cookbook

By allowing that and banning "Game," Amazon is essentially saying "It's fine to blow things up -- but don't teach someone how to meet women!"

Also, if they're against offensiveness, then why do they carrying something called "The Vulgar, Offensive Adult Coloring Book?"
https://www.amazon.com/Vulgar-Offensive-...1523714719

By the way, the Washington Post's real competition is the New York Times and the New Yorker. It's a longshot, but maybe someone from the leftie media would want to get behind this as a free speech cause.

I still have some media connections, and am sending out info about this. "Banning books" should set off loud alarm bells for anyone with half a brain.

Update: I wrote to Amazon through their "Author Central" portal and asked them to remove my book in protest. Because who is to say what is offensive and what isn't? My book deals peripherally with the issue of drugs and sometimes in a positive way (i.e. how drugs inspire musicians). Why not ban me -- and everyone like me? Because drugs are certainly offensive to parents who have kids dead in the gutter from them.

If I don't get a response I'm going to go to my publisher. We need to shake up the whole establishment as to what's going on, because their asses are likely to be next.

[ms224]

Some thoughts on the issue,

The idea of a company using its position, especially where they have some market mover or technological advantage, to screw over their competetors in a monopolistic means has been heavily assailed by the courts going back over 100 years. This muh free markets crap where techies think they can use their terms of service to push out competitors is going to hit a major court case sooner or later and none of it is virgin ground.

Roosh, if you can get the legal support consider this, you have standing to sue. If nothing else discovery of how amazon pulls people off or shadowbans them should be interesting in any anti-trust suit. Unlike a conventional book store where placing a physical item on the shelves is expensive, the beauty of amazon is that its dirt cheap to sell an item with a limited distribution. Given how many items they sell, which are both politically charged and at one point would've been considered obscene outright, how does Amazon use its monopoly position and does it practice illigal discrimination?

In the last 10 years the sphere of public discourse has moved past the 50% point to online. As such any platform which is big enough can be considered a public space. The idea of corporations banning perfectly legal excercise of first amendment rights in a public space, even though they might own it, has been struck down repeatedly over the last 60 (probably more years).

In marsh vs alabama the court ruled that distrubution of religious material is legal on a street, even though the company owned the town, as it was a public space free for anyone to use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama

How is a company owned online public space any different?

I don't have the time to pull all this together right now, but ATT has had piles of anti-trust measures against it over the years showing how
a technological monopoly is not absolute and courts have repeatedly forced ATT to open up. No one over the years of the telephone, telegraph would've thought that it would be legal for a company to deny communications services to someone based on their religious or political affiliation. Similarly I believe the post office is forbidden from denying service based on such things (obscenity is another matter and has been thoroughly debated though).

So given this why are the tech giants free to violate 100 years of case law, the internet space is public space and all protections against monopolistic denial of civil rights must apply to them as well.

Go forth and use your new found standing in the courts.......


ETA - the comparison between roosh's work and that of other, err contriverisal authors, raises the question of equal protection under the law. What can a monopoly discrmintate against and who's the judge?