[Gimlet]

(09-11-2018 07:37 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 04:00 PM)Gimlet Wrote:  

Black people are mad as hell over this, but the media isn't reporting that and social media is suppressing the evidence of outrage (i.e. posts). If the cop were a white male, it would be pumped up. But it's a white woman so she must be protected. Furthermore it's a black female police chief so we can't blame her either.

Stop believing everything you see (and don't see).

Brother, I wish I could agree with you on this in total, but in good conscience, I just can't. I almost agree with all of it, right up until the last phrase.

I don't agree that there is some "unseen" outrage. It's called "outrage" because it's outrageous. I don't agree that there could even be such a thing as "unseen outrage." That would just be a "normal" person being pissed off. Happens to me all the time.. I get pissed off, but, like a "normal," person I control it and I don't act like a total cunt.

And the last statement, "Stop believing everything you see (and don't see)," is a borderline non-statement at all. Sounds quippy, but means nothing.

On the same hand, I don't want to derail the conversation to a weird place. Anyone can disagree with what has been said, but that doesn't change the past patterns of behavior (nor the lack of it, in this case) of "opposition groups" the last few years, Man.

I'm definitely not a "conspiracy theory" guy, but in this case, it's really hard to deny that public opinion is being swayed by (or lack of) media coverage.

I'm just pointing out observations. If anyone even thinks that this is not being manipulated, they are delusional. That's all I'm saying. I can't predict the actions of BLM, but I can be reasonably sure that this would not be going the way it is now, if it was a male officer who shot the poor guy. It is completely incongruent, given the eruptions we've seen recently, that this meanders along at the pace it's going.

Of course it's all being manipulated. Public opinion most certainly is swayed by the lack of media coverage in this story. That was my point in my post when I said "Stop believing everything you see (and don't see)". The outrage is there. I see it with my own eyes. It simply isn't televised for *you* to see. The Prime Minister of this man's home country showed up in Dallas where people were marching in the streets. And the victim isn't someone who can whip people up on both sides (black vs white)... meaning he was successful. 20 something analyst for a prestigious international accounting firm. Very little press on purpose.

[Jetset]

It's now coming out that she was initially identified to dispatchers as a "security guard", which is interesting, because an acquaintance told me the police gossip circuit in Dallas is that Guyger had a skeleton key given to her by management. Supposedly, half of DPD is talking about this.

Could be utter bullshit, but I'm wondering if she had some kind of unofficial job with building management. It could explain why she was pounding on the door demanding Jean "open up".

Suppose he'd been boning her and was smart enough
not to open the door on her borderline fit. Suppose she remembers her special emergency key and decides to break in with it and kill him. Would fit his reported reaction: "Oh my God, why did you do that?"

[Jetset]

Uh-oh.

https://www.theroot.com/botham-jean-atto...1828998513

Quote:

“The only connection we have been able to make is that she was his immediate downstairs neighbor,” Meritt said during an appearance on CNN, Tuesday. “And there were noise complaints from the immediate downstairs neighbors about whoever was upstairs, and that would have been Botham. In fact, there were noise complaints that very day about upstairs activity in Botham’s apartment. Botham received a phone call about noise coming from his apartment from the downstairs neighbor.”

That would be one reason she'd be demanding he open up.

Quote:

“Much of the affidavit just simply doesn’t comport with common sense,” Merritt said. “Typically I have some sort of theory as to what happened in this case, here I have no idea. I do know that certain statements within this affidavit are demonstratively false. For example, that door being ajar, those doors close automatically. Unless Botham propped it open because he was expecting a guest or something—and I’m making up excuses, it wouldn’t have been open. What the family knows, what all the friends know, what everyone I’ve talked to about Botham knows is that he wouldn’t have propped that door open.”

Black Perry Mason over here.

So she claims the door swung open "fully" under the mere force of inserting the key, but the door has a door closer on it.

[url=https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1039610468791459840][/url]

Calm down, bitch. You don't need to put keys in that hard.

[Dulceácido]

"Pussy Pass" is looking bleak...

[kaotic]

They better throw the book at this cunt, fuck that thing blue line protecting their own in this case.

Her story is unraveling, I hope she gets fucked by the book.

[EndsExpect]

I don't think this is a racial incident at all. She might be a cop, but she was off duty. Chances are she was fucking this guy and shot him after he dumped her.

Maybe we should have a thread about banging female cops and how to avoid danger?

[iop890]

(09-12-2018 05:51 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Maybe we should have a thread about banging female cops and how to avoid danger?

I'll start.

Step 1: Don't

[Thot Leader]

(09-12-2018 06:07 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 05:51 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Maybe we should have a thread about banging female cops and how to avoid danger?

I'll start.

Step 1: Don't

What if they show up at your bachelor party due to a noise complaint and there's real chemistry?

[DarkTriad]

(09-12-2018 06:07 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 05:51 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Maybe we should have a thread about banging female cops and how to avoid danger?

I'll start.

Step 1: Don't

If this didn't convince you, female officers have astronomical rates of DV, and are probably better at using the system against than a female attorney. They shoot at or stab their fellow male officers rather frequently and it gets covered up, I can only imagine what they do to civilians.

[Jetset]

(09-12-2018 06:32 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

What if they show up at your bachelor party due to a noise complaint and there's real chemistry?

You'll be OK as you open the door fucking immediately.

Otherwise...

[DarkTriad]

(09-11-2018 07:37 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 04:00 PM)Gimlet Wrote:  

Black people are mad as hell over this, but the media isn't reporting that and social media is suppressing the evidence of outrage (i.e. posts). If the cop were a white male, it would be pumped up. But it's a white woman so she must be protected. Furthermore it's a black female police chief so we can't blame her either.

Stop believing everything you see (and don't see).

Brother, I wish I could agree with you on this in total, but in good conscience, I just can't. I almost agree with all of it, right up until the last phrase.

I don't agree that there is some "unseen" outrage. It's called "outrage" because it's outrageous. I don't agree that there could even be such a thing as "unseen outrage." That would just be a "normal" person being pissed off. Happens to me all the time.. I get pissed off, but, like a "normal," person I control it and I don't act like a total cunt.

And the last statement, "Stop believing everything you see (and don't see)," is a borderline non-statement at all. Sounds quippy, but means nothing.

On the same hand, I don't want to derail the conversation to a weird place. Anyone can disagree with what has been said, but that doesn't change the past patterns of behavior (nor the lack of it, in this case) of "opposition groups" the last few years, Man.

I'm definitely not a "conspiracy theory" guy, but in this case, it's really hard to deny that public opinion is being swayed by (or lack of) media coverage.

I'm just pointing out observations. If anyone even thinks that this is not being manipulated, they are delusional. That's all I'm saying. I can't predict the actions of BLM, but I can be reasonably sure that this would not be going the way it is now, if it was a male officer who shot the poor guy. It is completely incongruent, given the eruptions we've seen recently, that this meanders along at the pace it's going.

The people financing the BLM riots are probably opting for a quiet strategy right now for some reason. Or the BLM leadership (often radical feminists) don't want to hang a woman. Or maybe it's just a slow burn, as Zimmerman was until it blew up. The Dallas police chief is a black woman (and admitted domestic abuser) and is probably using all her juice to keep this bottled up, but there is only so long she can keep her finger in the dyke. I predict this WILL explode, it's just taking some time.

[DarkTriad]

(09-11-2018 09:08 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

It's now coming out that she was initially identified to dispatchers as a "security guard", which is interesting, because an acquaintance told me the police gossip circuit in Dallas is that Guyger had a skeleton key given to her by management. Supposedly, half of DPD is talking about this.

Could be utter bullshit, but I'm wondering if she had some kind of unofficial job with building management. It could explain why she was pounding on the door demanding Jean "open up".

Suppose he'd been boning her and was smart enough
not to open the door on her borderline fit. Suppose she remembers her special emergency key and decides to break in with it and kill him. Would fit his reported reaction: "Oh my God, why did you do that?"

It would make more sense than the official story. Could also be her trying to catch zzzz at home on unofficial on the clock breaks (hence the noise complaints from her apartment) and he keeps waking her up with his music. Specialized units are especially notorious for this stuff. She doesn't want to confront him until after work (so as not to dry snitch herself by being someplace she shouldn't be). She's heavy handed and he won't bow down. They end up in some kind of struggle and she shoots him. Realizes she'll go down for Home Invasion and Murder if the story plays out like that, and tries to concoct a set of facts that just might get her off. Just spit balling here, but anything is more likely than the official story. Explains why they're working so hard to protect her, because her boss in that elite unit is going to go down for allowing this.

[C-Note]

His family is publicly calling on her to "come clean" on what really happened. Of course, she's not going to unless they find some text messages or something like that which incriminate her.

[realologist]

I bet he was fucking her. She was drunk and wanted some dick. He either had another chick over, found out he was banging other chicks or he turned her down and this ensued.

Either way this chick should get the book thrown at her and be charged with 2nd degree murder, not manslaughter.

[Dulceácido]

(09-13-2018 11:26 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

His family is publicly calling on her to "come clean" on what really happened. Of course, she's not going to unless they find some text messages or something like that which incriminate her.

All of her text messages and phone records will be divulged in "discovery" by the lawyers involved.

Like realologist said, she should be charged with murder.

[iop890]

Isn't BLM run by a bunch of dykes? That would explain why they're being so quiet.

[Gimlet]

Yes, blm is all dyke and trannies. The leadership actually despises black men, and promote keeping out of the home even more so than they are already. The website is full of goofball shit like the word "herstory" instead of "history".

[Vill@in]

(09-12-2018 06:32 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 06:07 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 05:51 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Maybe we should have a thread about banging female cops and how to avoid danger?

I'll start.

Step 1: Don't

What if they show up at your bachelor party due to a noise complaint and there's real chemistry?

She's definitely coming in for at least one game of Twister. What's the harm?

[eljeffster]

(09-12-2018 06:32 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 06:07 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 05:51 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Maybe we should have a thread about banging female cops and how to avoid danger?

I'll start.

Step 1: Don't

What if they show up at your bachelor party due to a noise complaint and there's real chemistry?

When she tells you to knock it off, whip out your dick and tell her to "knock this". Then when she tasers your nads, lean into it like you like it.

That is the recipe for a three-way with the lady cop and the stripper right there.

[Repo]

Character assassination begins. The cops searched the home and found. . . gasp. . . a small amount of marijuana.

http://amp.fox4news.com/news/search-warr...ssion=true

Attorney Pete Schulte, who is not connected to the case, says the defense will likely bring it up in trial if the marijuana turns out to be his.

“I'm not saying Mr. Jean is a bad guy because he had some marijuana in his apartment,” Schulte said. “But it could help add some explanation to this crazy case. It just adds another layer of complexity.

What.

Other items retrieved:

The inventory return yielded:
2 fired cartridge casings
1 laptop computer
1 black backpack with police equipment and paperwork
1 insulated lunch box
1 black ballistic vest with "police" markings
10.4 grams of marijuana in ziplock bags
1 metal marijuana grinder
2 RFID keys
2 used packages of medical aid

Is is possible that the cop who shot him left this here after shooting him? Or maybe left it over a different night after he banged her. Perhaps he was even banging another woman on the force and she got jealous?

[SlickyBoy]

(09-13-2018 08:29 PM)Repo Wrote:  

Character assassination begins. The cops searched the home and found. . . gasp. . . a small amount of marijuana.

http://amp.fox4news.com/news/search-warr...ssion=true

Attorney Pete Schulte, who is not connected to the case, says the defense will likely bring it up in trial if the marijuana turns out to be his.

“I'm not saying Mr. Jean is a bad guy because he had some marijuana in his apartment,” Schulte said. “But it could help add some explanation to this crazy case. It just adds another layer of complexity.

What.

Other items retrieved:

The inventory return yielded:
2 fired cartridge casings (these came from her weapon, more than likely)
1 laptop computer (police issued? Hers?)
1 black backpack with police equipment and paperwork (hers)
1 insulated lunch box (hers Dropped by her while coming "home")
1 black ballistic vest with "police" markings (hers also dropped?)
10.4 grams of marijuana in ziplock bags (his)
1 metal marijuana grinder (his)
2 RFID keys (hers?)
2 used packages of medical aid (probably left by paramedics)

Is is possible that the cop who shot him left this here after shooting him? (yes) Or maybe left it over a different night after he banged her. Perhaps he was even banging another woman on the force and she got jealous? (hyperbole for now...)

It could also be - and I'm just playing devils advocate - that he was dealing pot on the side. Why else would he have pot divvied it up into multiple bags? Regardless he knew it was illegal to possess in TX even in small amounts.

Assume she really did think it was her place. Assume also that the door was opened a crack and she pushed it in, pistol drawn, which would be my reaction walking into my own place with the door opened for no reason with nobody home.

Then consider:
Cop pushes door open, shows up in uniform.

His reaction:
Oh shit, COPS! Hide the dope! Grab it & flush it!

Her reaction:
Wha? Some dude is in my apartment! "Don't Move!!"

Him:
Shit....Hide the dope! Hide the dope!...

Her:
"Don't move!!" Bam Bam

Not that she had justifiable reasons for deadly force, but the second she saw him move away and ignore her commands she thought (assumed) he was going for a weapon and fired. She'll still get nailed for manslaughter but there's little evidence of racism or hanky panky here.

The police vest, laptop and police equipment can be corroborated either way with model information for issued equipment in that department. More than likely all hers. There is zero evidence they searched the entire apartment, only the immediate area where the body dropped and from where she shot. Not her fault there was pot in that same area. She knew she couldn't pick up her own shit and take it with her without disturbing the scene, so she did not.

I suspect as is often the case, a careful analysis of the facts will create a slightly different reality than the first pass from a media predisposed to look at race and just run with it.

[PapayaTapper]

(09-19-2018 08:47 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

Assume she really did think it was her place. Assume also that the door was opened a crack and she pushed it in, pistol drawn, which would be my reaction walking into my own place with the door opened for no reason with nobody home.

The problem with this is if she arrived at her door and saw it ajar she should have called for backup before entering.

Why?

...because at 5'2'' and 135lb or so her only choices in any confrontation are 0 to deadly force. There's almost zero chance of a non lethal force solution because she knows that if it gets physical a man, any man, he will likely take her gun from her and kill her. She went in there knowing shed likely have to kill someone

If the truth is she saw the door was ajar at what she thought was her apartment then her narcissism combined with her poor judgement killed an innocent man

[Repo]

@slicky
1) As posted somewhere else, the doors are designed to close. automatically and cannot be left open. Also witnesses heard her knocking

2) This is an incredibly small amount of marijuana to be "dealing". Fucking nobody would bother scrambling to hide the dope with that small amount, let alone "leave the door ajar"

3) There is also zero evidence they did not search the entire apartment, so I dont think you can assume either way

4) Doesnt matter what she commanded she had no authority to command. He could have shot her on the spot and if he were white would probably get off

I dont think your careful analysis of facts has created a different reality at all.

[SlickyBoy]

From what I've seen, the doors will indeed close (one resident posted a youtube video) if allowed to swing from fully open position. But will they close fully from just barely closed? Maybe that's how they were designed; maybe this door stuck a bit. I'm sure investigators are looking at that too.

We have no idea what they are required to do for backup, but I bet I know what most cops would do - they'd push against the ajar door of their "own apartment" and take a look. As for calling backup because she's 5'3 and female, that feeds into the commonly known but rarely publicly acknowledged reality that too many female cops are not fit to be cops from a physical standpoint and rely too quickly on lethal force where a guy might be able to grapple his way out of it. The media will be careful to avoid spotlighting that inconvenient truth.

Whether dealing or mere possession, he's an immigrant in Texas and a black man - we're repeatedly told by the left that this is exactly the guy who should be afraid of the cops targeting him daily. So when a cop actually shows up in his door one night, he panics and tries to hide his pot. Yet we are pretending this is an unrealistic reaction for him. Why?

Any assumption that they searched the whole apartment is simply not based on fact or law. Search warrants are issued with particularity.

Quote:

Particularity.—“The requirement that warrants shall particularly describe the things to be seized makes general searches under them impossible and prevents the seizure of one thing under a warrant describing another. As to what is to be taken, nothing is left to the discretion of the officer executing the warrant.”132 This requirement thus acts to limit the scope of the search, as the executing officers should be limited to looking in places where the described object could be expected to be found.133 The purpose of the particularity requirement extends beyond prevention of general searches; it also assures the person whose property is being searched of the lawful authority of the executing officer and of the limits of his power to search. It follows, therefore, that the warrant itself must describe with particularity the items to be seized, or that such itemization must appear in documents incorporated by reference in the warrant and actually shown to the person whose property is to be searched.

Even if they searched the entire apartment I would expect more items of his versus mostly her crap piled up - bigger place, more to search. I am not a cop, but it doesn't sound logical that they'd need to go check his nightstand drawer, medicine cabinet, etc. They are investigating the circumstances surrounding a shooting, not a financial crime or drug investigation. The drugs found were likely found right there.

IF she reasonably believed (again, will depend upon door investigation above, and other factors) that it was her place being burglarized she did indeed have the authority to command. There is no "right to resist" in that situation or whatever else at that moment even if later the cop is proven to be mistaken. BLM has really fucked up the public understanding of what a cop is allowed to do.

Hate to burst the bubble but white guys get shot a lot more often by cops of all genders and colors than do black guys - it just never gets any attention from the race hustlers.

[Repo]

(09-19-2018 09:34 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

From what I've seen, the doors will indeed close (one resident posted a youtube video) if allowed to swing from fully open position. But will they close fully from just barely closed? Maybe that's how they were designed; maybe this door stuck a bit. I'm sure investigators are looking at that too.

We have no idea what they are required to do for backup, but I bet I know what most cops would do - they'd push against the ajar door of their "own apartment" and take a look. As for calling backup because she's 5'3 and female, that feeds into the commonly known but rarely publicly acknowledged reality that too many female cops are not fit to be cops from a physical standpoint and rely too quickly on lethal force where a guy might be able to grapple his way out of it. The media will be careful to avoid spotlighting that inconvenient truth.

Whether dealing or mere possession, he's an immigrant in Texas and a black man - we're repeatedly told by the left that this is exactly the guy who should be afraid of the cops targeting him daily. So when a cop actually shows up in his door one night, he panics and tries to hide his pot. Yet we are pretending this is an unrealistic reaction for him. Why?

Any assumption that they searched the whole apartment is simply not based on fact or law. Search warrants are issued with particularity.

Quote:

Particularity.—“The requirement that warrants shall particularly describe the things to be seized makes general searches under them impossible and prevents the seizure of one thing under a warrant describing another. As to what is to be taken, nothing is left to the discretion of the officer executing the warrant.”132 This requirement thus acts to limit the scope of the search, as the executing officers should be limited to looking in places where the described object could be expected to be found.133 The purpose of the particularity requirement extends beyond prevention of general searches; it also assures the person whose property is being searched of the lawful authority of the executing officer and of the limits of his power to search. It follows, therefore, that the warrant itself must describe with particularity the items to be seized, or that such itemization must appear in documents incorporated by reference in the warrant and actually shown to the person whose property is to be searched.

Even if they searched the entire apartment I would expect more items of his versus mostly her crap piled up - bigger place, more to search. I am not a cop, but it doesn't sound logical that they'd need to go check his nightstand drawer, medicine cabinet, etc. They are investigating the circumstances surrounding a shooting, not a financial crime or drug investigation. The drugs found were likely found right there.

IF she reasonably believed (again, will depend upon door investigation above, and other factors) that it was her place being burglarized she did indeed have the authority to command. There is no "right to resist" in that situation or whatever else at that moment even if later the cop is proven to be mistaken. BLM has really fucked up the public understanding of what a cop is allowed to do.

Hate to burst the bubble but white guys get shot a lot more often by cops of all genders and colors than do black guys - it just never gets any attention from the race hustlers.

Nah, take the time to actually read the article I posted before responding about carefully analyzing the facts. It explains why they searched for and were authorized to inventory the drugs.