Quote: (05-19-2019 02:49 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:
Very interesting interview with Jordan Peterson (uploaded today, interviewed on 4/11/19 before the Facebook ban)
podcast link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-...0438771175
Some key points I took away.
- Milo genuinely regrets his pedophile comments and him being a stepfather of a 16 year old son gave him a new perspective on that viewpoint.
- He openly mocks Peterson during the interview saying he cares to much about prestige and that we will result in his eventual downfall.
- He think the right fucked itself over by not promoting him further when his pedophile comments came out because it gave the left a playbook to take out right wing pundits who are influential.
- He is securing funding in the U.S (Oklahoma) to become more of entertainer rather then a political right wing provocateur as a late night TV show.
- He is not really in millions of dollar of debt, he just (origninal story: https://www.gq.com/story/milo-yiannopoul...ns-in-debt )
- His late night show will be similar to Alex Jones InfoWars-> no social media/YouTube -> subscription only. He says his email list will be enough.
- He says social media will fall just as fast if not faster that it has risen and being kicked off Twitter and being deplatformed by others will not hurt him (looks like he cared less when banned from Facebook)
- He says his talent alone will keep him going and that his email list will keep his fanbase intact and give him the creative freedom he needs.
Interesting to see if he gets to his peak again without social media. If what he says is true this guy is a visionary for sure.
This was a perfectly calibrated public therapy session in which an experienced clinician teased out honest reflection and emotion from a persona obsessed patient using sympathy, empathy, genuine admiration, as well as probing and sometimes pointed questions.
It was an act of generosity by Peterson of whom Milo has been talking shit for a while now starting with his forward to Vox Day's "SJWs Always Lie."
In addition to his concern for Milo as a person, and his interest in defining things clearly by removing common thinking problems that adult patients have about things that happened to them in their younger years, Peterson satisfied his own intellectual curiosity about the issues that Milo, as a public figure, raised.
It must also be said that this conversation started out with Milo protecting himself by scurrying around in fancy flights of rationalization, and that little by little, always starting with sympathetic listening and even admiration and rapport, Peterson got him to open up and drop the posing.
You could hear Milo's voice change as they talked, going from his usually flippancy to a deeper, softer, more reflective register.
It was only after these undoubtedly personal revelations that Milo, retreating into persona, went on the offensive against Peterson, reclaiming, as you would expect, his facile dismissals of Peterson as well as other conservatives. It was a re-acquisition of face, mostly. It was also textbook transference, the putting of all the patient's dissatisfaction with the world onto the therapist, and the therapist quietly being willing to carry the load in the interest of healing the spirit of the other person.
Also interesting was that Peterson, in exactly the way you would expect an experienced psychologist to do, offered no countering accusations or ego based defenses, preferring to draw Milo out on the subject he brought up, and the way it came across was that he was allowing Milo, after the obviously uncomfortable realizations and admissions he made, to reestablish dominance as a way of protecting his ego.
This was an absolutely fascinating therapy session, basically, more than an interview, and if anyone is interested in seeing the many facets of how this sort of thing is achieved, you could do worse.
It might also answer some of the criticisms of Peterson as incoherent intellectually, as you can observe in real time the way a therapist advances and retreats with a patient, taking and relinquishing control, all with the goal of moving forwards the patient's own self knowledge and healing.
This is a completely different game than intellectual sword play, and if you understand that, it might make more sense that Peterson doesn't have the same logical coherence of some of the people he debates.
This is his training, this sensitivity to where, emotionally, the person he is talking to is residing, and how best to respond to that. It is more of a heart coherence than a head coherence, and he might be better off leaving politics alone and doing podcasts just like this.
The only downside of this is that normally, this sort of thing is supposed to be private, and it could be considered unfair to the patient to move a conversation like this into the public sphere. Obviously though, Peterson is aware of this, and probably decided that Milo wouldn't be interested in anything private anyway, so a public session was better than none at all.
Either way, thank you for uploading this. I have been burned out on Peterson's political talking points and haven't been watching him. To see him truly in his element doing what he does best was a joy.
If you are interested in this kind of thing, I have tried to keep the description general so as not to ruin it.
This was a master at work.
To paraphrase a female character of James Thurber: He didn't tell Peterson things, Peterson got them out of him.
