Quote: (08-24-2018 05:00 PM)MrLemon Wrote:
Quote: (08-24-2018 01:51 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:
Quote: (08-24-2018 12:55 PM)MrLemon Wrote:
Quote: (08-24-2018 10:25 AM)Glaucon Wrote:
Get your fuck you money guys asap.... you have 10-15 years tops!
I have been trying to plan my exit for about 5 years now but have made no progress whatsoever. I have a family and all the expenses (unbelievable) that go along with it. Might get a small inheritance but that family member is a rabid, insane TDS sufferer, so if I slip up even once and mention Trump in a positive light, then I'm likely to lose that inheritance, which means no move to a better location, and kids don't get to go to college. Of course I'm set back by virtue of losing my career and earning potential when I had my heart attack in 2016. There's no recovery from that at my age.
Not whining, just telling everybody why so many men in today's society are trapped and unable to fight back. We as a sex have been stuck with ALL the financial burdens...we are still the money pigs of society, expected to bring home enough money to feed and house 4 human beings in a society that has relentlessly inflated living expenses. Yet we have been stripped of the corresponding political and social power necessary for us to protect ourselves as financial providers.
Anyway, for a very short window, 10 years maybe, family men like me will limp along and survive day to day, ducking our heads when the Witches in power berate us, jerk and tremble when they stripe our backs with the whip. That's what I do, every single day.
Eventually, very soon probably, we'll break. Or in my case, if I'm very lucky, I'll get enough money to escape and take my family. But that's increasingly unlikely.
MrLemon I am very curious: pretend you did have enough money to exit, what would you do and why? Where would you put your wealth? What locations seem appealing to you, either in the USA or abroad?
Jefferyjerrp, here's my plan. Maybe this should go into the travel forum.
I'm thinking Canada. Wealth into 25% Bitcoin. I'm not extreme, I don't believe that civilization is going to collapse. Stocks, bonds, real estate is all good in my view, but Bitcoin is clearly going to outperform.
Now people will criticize that since Canada is still SJW hell, which is true. But Canada has one very large benefit...it has not fully succumbed to the "lock em up" military/police state mentality that grips the US. This is a much bigger topic than I have time for, but essentially I think that Trump or no Trump, the US is turning into a Puritan Police state and there is nothin that stands in the way. If left wing, then it's a left wing police state, if right wing, then a right wing police state. The American people have turned into a pack scum whose sole pleasure in life is to "inform" on their neighbor and watch with their nipples hard as their neighbor is dragged from their house in the dark of night by the Gestapo. That is America today. I say that as the most patriotic citizen in the world. We are in a dark time and it's getting much darker. Of course the coming censorship of the Internet and other fun things will be part of that.
As a father, my single greatest worry is that my children will be hauled to jail for breaking Federal law -- which they do 20 times a day, just like every single person in the US. It's just a matter of chance who gets taken to prison.
I want to get my kids away from that. I want to live without being in fear every night. That means out of the USA. Crushes me to say that.
Canada or Australia are the first choices. They have other problems.
France would be delightful, since my sons might find actual women to date. Wouldn't that be amazing? But France is a much bigger challenge. UK is gone.
If not out of US then maybe New Hampshire or a freer state. But the Federal cops still lurk, looking for rich, extortion-worthy targets.
Thank you for this response. I am glad to see I am not the only person planning an exit. It is increasingly clear that a plan B is necessary, and I am not sure how much time we have. I also think Bitcoin is the go-to asset in the next decade or so.
The rule of law is totally collapsing in the United States. Police officers are out of control. Big businesses (banks and social media especially) break laws with impunity. Politicians are openly corrupt, and launch sham investigations and/or imprison anyone in their way. The USA can coast for a while, but the whole foundation is being eaten away by these parasites. Once the rule of law is undermined, it is a matter of time before everything else begins to crumble (see also: Turkey and Erdogan).
At this point, the average American has the same amount of civil rights as they did before the revolution. Check this out:
"There has been an interesting case of an American Muslim woman who had her phone seized by border guards as she returned home to the United States from a trip to Switzerland. The guards just seized her phone and she had to file a lawsuit to get it returned after 120 days. Meanwhile, they refuse to confirm or deny that a copy of her phone was made and shared with any other agency.
This is part of the problem with the rule of law – there is none! Government agents can do whatever they desire and it is always your burden to hopefully find a judge who will at least acknowledge you have any rights at all.
....George III (b 1738; 1760-1820) became king in 1760. In February 1761, Parliament enacted the Writs of Assistance that was challenged in court in Boston, Massachusetts. These were writs that empowered every agent to do as they liked and were no different from how agents act today at their discretion. The Writs of Assistance allowed the king’s agents to search anything they suspected. The defending lawyer James Otis (1725-1783) pronounced these writs were “the worst instrument of arbitrary power, the most destructive of English liberty, and the fundamental principles of law, that ever was found in an English law book.” Otis warned that the king placed discretion in the hands of every agent to act as he desired.
Nothing has changed for the government can do whatever it desires today and it is always the burden of the citizen to prove he has any rights whatsoever."
armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/discretion-in-the-hands-of-every-government-agent-tyranny/
I wish their was somewhere obvious to run to. But Canada and Australia have their own very major problems, Australia is worse (btw, the guy writing these articles advises the largest pension and sovereign wealth funds in the world):
"Under a national scheme,
the government gets to confiscate ALL your assets if you are convicted of a crime. Of course, this now creates the incentive to deny people the right to any fair trial and the average conviction rate of 90% will now surely rise to match that of the United States which stands at around 99%. Unfortunately, a Senate committee unanimously recommended the “unexplained wealth” legislation be passed despite concerns being raised by the Law Council and Civil Liberties Australia."
armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/australia-oceania/australia-adopts-presumption-of-guilt-denying-any-presumption-of-innocence-rejecting-all-principles-of-a-free-society/
I do think Canada could potentially be viable, although they are on very shaky ground in many other areas.
My top contender for "safe zone" right now is Eastern Europe. Any other ideas are very very welcome.