A lot of misconceptions in this thread.
Quote: (07-06-2018 06:40 AM)Caduceus Wrote:
-What causes it
-How hereditary/genetic it is
-Various symptoms
-How changes in your diet & health can worsen or improve symptoms
-Gaming girls as a bipolar guy, or gaming girls who have bipolar
-Sex as a bipolar guy or sex with girls who have bipolar
-Long term relationships as a bipolar guy, or with girls who have bipolar
-Possible cures (Or ways to reduce triggers and bad symptoms)
-Discussion about whether it is a mental disease that needs to be "cured", or a "special power" to be used/managed correctly.
Nobody knows what causes it, other than it's extremely heritable. In the brain, it presents itself as neurotransmitter imbalances, overexcited neurons firing off, oodles of dopamine flooding into certain areas and frying shit, and certain areas of the brain dealing with inhibition and knowledge of the self seem to shut off. If you are currently manic, you likely won't know it. You'll just feel amazing.
I am not a neurologist and don't pretend to be one, but the drugs that are out there to treat bipolar are usually SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, a risky proposition with bipolar), GABA inhibitors, antipsychotics and atypical antipsychotics.
Depression is not hard to recognize, though mania can be. If you have no baseline for how somebody usually talks or behaves then diagnosing hypomania can be difficult. Some people are just irritable chatterboxes who spend too much money, seem to be extremely happy, and act impulsively with no self regard for consequences. If you have ever seen somebody really amped up on cocaine, mania is similar. Full-blown mania is like if cocaine decided to smoke bath salts.
For gaming as a bipolar male, it depends. Bipolar is an illness, so when you're unwell you probably shouldn't be gaming. You should go to a hospital.
If you're being treated and are stable then it's much like holding down a job (this is a more relevant question for the thread, really - holding down a job - half of reddit survives on zero pussy, you could easily die without money for food or housing), you live your life between brief hospitalizations and soul crushing mania-induced fuckups and enjoy it while it lasts. You tread carefully through all the destroyed relationships with family members and friends who are 'so understanding' and remind yourself that others have had it worse than you and they didn't kill themselves. Women seem to like damaged men and the bipolar men I know who are in LTRs are doing just fine, though that doesn't mean a manic episode can't or won't destroy a marriage.
Others have said so before, you should avoid bipolar females.
There is no cure.
There are ways to reduce 'triggers' (gay word to use). You can eliminate all caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, sugar, sugar alcohols/artificial sweeteners, and avoid everything with a high glycemic index. You also want to take fairly high doses of fish oil (this has been found in several case studies to help all kinds of problems with the brain). That has been found among some people to ease, reduce, or eliminate the severity or frequency of bipolar, whether the classic raging bipolar or the rapid cycling variety.
WWII era asylums in Europe noted that admissions dropped significantly when there were bread shortages, so it's very possible that gluten plays a role. You could go gluten-free or just say fuck it and do the carnivore diet like Jordan Peterson.
Men tend to have worse cases of bipolar than females, though they have arguably more ways to mitigate problems since a woman's hormonal profile, seemingly chronic serotonin deficiency and cravings for sweets doubtless contributes to the severity of their type of bipolar.
Kanye West claims it's his superpower. Van Gogh wouldn't have been worth a shit in the art world without it. It depends on the case. Most of the bipolar people I know are probably two or three standard deviations more intelligent than average though this isn't supported by any data. Their lives tend to be more fucked than the average person due to large fluctuations in energy levels and side effects of the drugs required to treat it, but you can live a relatively full life while having it. I doubt Kanye is getting treated conventionally.
.. is it a special power to be managed/used correctly. Nah man, the bipolar uses you, not the other way around.
Why you're asking these questions? Were you or a family member recently diagnosed? There are worse things to have.
Quote: (07-06-2018 08:14 AM)Rudideviz Wrote:
Bipolar disorder seems very in line with the kind of behaviour that makes women's pussy tingle.
Coincidence? I think not.
To me it makes sense that this trait would have been evolutionarily/sexually selected for as it creates a form of continuous tension, excitement, drama etc within a male-female relationship. Basically bipolar disorder is like 'knowledge' of game pre-encoded in an evolutionary/biological package.
I do wonder why women are attracted to these traits though.
Pre-agricultural societies had no knowledge of bipolar or schizophrenia. This is doubly interesting considering the disease tends to present itself in the early twenties for most people (well after people had children for the vast majority of human history) and there are no physical markers for the disease, so there was no way for ancient hunter-gatherer societies to remove the mentally ill through infanticide (infanticide was common for birth defects). Extant hunter-gatherer (pre-contact) societies have no bipolar either.
Something more recent is causing it since it makes no sense for a significant chunk of the population (about 3% by most figures) to have large and frequent shifts in mood and energy for no reason. It's not normal for people to be sick like this.
That doesn't mean that bipolar hasn't been around a long time, Herodotus made note of it.
Quote: (07-06-2018 09:24 AM)Caduceus Wrote:
Quote: (07-06-2018 08:27 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:
Quote: (07-06-2018 06:40 AM)Caduceus Wrote:
I used the search function, but could not find any useful threads on this forum about bipolar disorder. I think some alpha, red pill, manosphere insights on this topic are severely lacking overall on the internet.
Is that so, thread-33757.html
That thread you linked is about about BDP
BPD is borderline personality disorder.
See wikipedia here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline...y_disorder
Bipolar and BPD are 2 different things.
I guess some people get them confused.
Some symptoms overlap, but borderline is a lot more extreme & dangerous - (a lot more paranoia, self harm, etc)
Bipolar is a mood disorder. Borderline is a personality disorder.
I wouldn't say outright that borderline is 'more extreme and dangerous'. It depends.
Quote: (07-12-2018 05:24 AM)SeaFM Wrote:
Is there such a thing as a bipolar man?
This is one of those diseases I don't believe is real, or if it is real, it's wildly misdiagnosed. Like ADHD.
Bipolar presents in roughly equal numbers between both genders. Yes, bipolar men exist. Have you ever heard of Abe Lincoln or Winston Churchill?
Quote: (07-12-2018 07:38 AM)WombRaider Wrote:
I've met dudes with bipolar. Women as well. When someone is in a true manic episode, it's a sight to behold. This is bipolar 1, the original.
What a lot of young women nowadays think they have is bipolar 2, which seems much more dubious.
I think this partly ties into SeaFM's comment in some ways. Men do not admit to bipolar because as a man, you're responsible for everything you do even if you were not in your right mind. Women can say the bipolar made them do or say something and it will get them out of whatever trouble they may have been in.
Quote: (07-12-2018 10:58 PM)Diop Wrote:
Quote: (07-12-2018 10:23 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:
Quote: (07-12-2018 09:34 PM)Diop Wrote:
I dated a girl who was bipolar for three years, even lived with her for a year until I finally managed to pull the plug and escape. I ended it six months ago (to the day, actually) and I still have some minor PTSD remaining from the hell I went through being involved with her.
She frequently had severe mood swings and random crying spells. Towards the end I had to walk on eggshells so as not to "trigger" her. Eventually I was extremely careful with my words to her since the slightest interpretation of any type of rejection led to a severe meltdown in ways I cannot even describe. It was absolutely horrible. Just going back and thinking about all of this right now as I type is making me anxious so I'm going to stop here.
I don't think this was the OP's point in starting the thread, but my "red pill perspective" about dating a bipolar girl is to never, ever do it. If you start dating her and find out later on she's bipolar, move on immediately and don't look back. If you marry a woman like this and have kids with her, well......not sure what to say about that. Good luck and God Bless.
What I just said about never dating/moving on from a bipolar girl may seem obvious, but once you get sucked into their world it can be really hard to get yourself out of it. Trust me, I know.
What you are describing sounds more like Borderline Personality Disorder to me. The well known book regarding dealing with it is actually called "Walking on Eggshellls"
You know, I wondered about that too throughout the course of the relationship. She was diagnosed as bipolar as a teenager (as I found out a few months into the relationship), but it seemed like her worst elements were more borderline in characteristic most of the time.
She didn't take Lithium, but she did take an anti-psychotic prescription drug and for the life of me I can't remember the name. She also took Venlafaxine (Effexor) daily as well.
Is it possible for someone to be both bipolar AND have Borderline Personality Disorder?
Bipolar is a mood disorder, borderline is a personality disorder, they are not mutually exclusive, so the answer is yes.
Quote: (07-12-2018 11:53 PM)Diop Wrote:
Quote: (07-12-2018 11:24 PM)Caduceus Wrote:
Quote: (07-12-2018 10:58 PM)Diop Wrote:
Is it possible for someone to be both bipolar AND have Borderline Personality Disorder?
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so.
You either have bipolar OR borderline, but not both.
Many symptoms can be similar though.
The main difference is that if you have bipolar, you will have long periods (many months) where you are "calm" and "normal" and can lead a high functioning life with a job, friends, family and a relationship. Borderline people don't have those "stable" periods.
Also, people who are borderline usually inflict self harm on themselves, whereas, a bipolar person many be depressed to the point of being suicidal, but rarely ever does these micro aggressions against their body.
Sounds macabre, but what I'm saying is that a bipolar person may in extreme cases try to kill themselves, but they will rarely ever do something like slash or burn their skin on purpose.
Thanks for your thoughts.
My ex was a cutter (before we met), and couldn't go more than a few days without some kind of hardcore roller coaster of extremely negative emotions so I'm becoming more and more convinced she was actually borderline instead of bipolar.
She apparently tried to commit suicide a few years before we met as well (this all came out well into the relationship, of course).
One extremely strange experience I observed during a terrible fight we had sometime within the final couple of months of the relationship was that she (literally) started HITTING HERSELF HARD on her quads right in the middle of our arguing. I'm not easily freaked out, but that seriously spooked me. I thought she was doing it to try and frame me for a domestic violence charge but apparently she couldn't handle the intense anger she was feeling towards me at that moment and had to HIT HERSELF to deal with those emotions. This came out during our couple's counseling session the following day (yes, I even tried that with her) and it was right around that point I started planning my exit strategy ASAP.
Yeah, as I think back about this, she really acted a lot more borderline (but still diagnosed as bipolar).
As Dulceácido mentioned, it wouldn't surprise me if the Effexor was fucking her up even more as well. She was on a very high dose of it.
I don't know where this comes from. Yes, women can have both borderline and bipolar. While I'm not a trained professional, I don't think any of you guys are either. Paging an RVF doctor.
If you have bipolar, 'long periods' of 'no symptoms' is not a guarantee. You could rapid cycle between mania and depression, several times a day, every day, for years. You could have a days, weeks, months, or years long manic episode. There are no hard and fast rules to this. Bipolar type I usually presents itself first with full mania (in men), then a depressive episode, and usually some period of even mood. Type II can be all over the place. To confound things further, you can have mixed episodes, mixed manic episodes, mood-congruent (or incongruent) psychosis, and all kinds of shit.
Some googling has found that bipolar and comorbid borderline occur in roughly 40% of cases.
It's entirely possible with your ex's case that the effexor was keeping the bipolar in remission and what you were seeing was just unfiltered borderline.
Quote: (07-12-2018 10:50 PM)Caduceus Wrote:
Of course a man can be bipolar.
Many people see bipolar people as emotional drama queens.
But the reality is quite different.
When you have bipolar, a lot of time is spent in god awful depression and wanting to be alone. Activities, things and people that normally interest you become totally meaningless and empty. You usually can't study or hold down a job cause you don't even want to leave your house and interact with any other people for weeks or months at a time. This can last up to half a year (6 months) or longer.
The so called "high part" (mania) lasts a shorter time. Anywhere from a few days, to 3 months but no longer.
If someone is rapidly cycling between extreme moods in a single day or week, I'm not sure if that's bipolar...sounds more like borderline personality disorder or something else.
Depression can last years, people can even be doped up on SSRIs for 'treatment resistant depression', not knowing that they actually have bipolar because the manic episode hasn't happened yet. The SSRIs prescribed could then trigger a balls-out manic episode of the "we're hijacking the plane to Mars" variety. A manic episode can also last a lot longer than three months.
If someone is rapidly cycling between extreme moods in a single day or week, they may have rapid-cycling bipolar (type II). I don't know where you're getting your information.
Quote: (07-12-2018 10:42 PM)Caduceus Wrote:
Quote: (07-12-2018 10:25 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:
The "medication" lithium is nothing more than salt... Lots of people take it for a number of things, not just controlling bipolar disorder. Like you, I used to think it was some kind of hardcore medication, until I got into the medical field and learned it's just a salt. That's it.
That is true.
Lithium is a natural element found in nature....usually in the soil.
Plants absorb it from the soil /ground and you get a dose when you eat vegetables (especially in tomatoes, mushrooms and cucumbers) or eat a grass fed animal. So checking if your meat is grass fed helps. An animal that doesn't eat natural grass , but only eats artificial foods won't have much lithium in it. Also, many vegetables in supermarkets are grown in greenhouses where is the soil is crap and re-used many times, and has very low lithium. So if you eat greenhouse made vegetables you may not be getting good nutrients if they are grown in nutrient deficient soil. Eggs are also a good natural source of lithium.
All people need some lithium. If you have zero in your body you start getting depressed, violent, slightly paranoid and suicidal. Communities in various cities and towns around the world have had their drinking water tested for natural lithium. Those that had high lithium in the drinking water had less crime and suicides. Bipolar people just need more lithium than the rest of us.
Most doctors prescribe lithium carbonate for bipolar people in high doses (anywhere between 300mg to 1800mg daily) to stabilise people's moods. Long term use of such high doses creates nasty side effects some of which can become permanent.
However, there is also lithum orotate which is available over the counter or online with no prescription needed. Orotate's dosage is much, much lower (between 1mg to 30mg daily) than carbonate and it's a lot safer too with minimal side effects.
Pray tell, what other illnesses do doctors prescribe lithium for? They quit giving it to epileptics because the dose required to control seizures has a tendency to cause death.
While lithium is a trace mineral, magnesium binds to the same receptors and people tend to have worse deficiencies of it.
Quote: (07-12-2018 07:04 AM)MajorStyles Wrote:
Quote: (07-12-2018 05:24 AM)SeaFM Wrote:
Is there such a thing as a bipolar man?
This is one of those diseases I don't believe is real, or if it is real, it's wildly misdiagnosed. Like ADHD.
My intuition tells me you are on to something...I've never met a man with bipolar.
Just yesterday, I was talking to a friend of mine about this topic. He has been with a woman for around ten years and, five years into the relationship, she "came down" with bipolar. This happened after they were unable to have a child. The timing of those two things is suspicious to me. Moreover, my ex-wife was bipolar and she had a very chaotic childhood; I always linked the two things together.
In short, there seems to be an emotional experience that underlies the behavior (at least from what I can tell).
Bipolar is heritable, your ex had bipolar, ergo - one or possibly both of her parents had bipolar, causing the 'chaotic childhood'.
Emotional experiences don't cause brain diseases. Can you give a kid autism by making it watch Sesame Street?
Quote: (07-12-2018 10:02 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:
^^^^^
I'm with Diop. You don't want to get lumbered with a bipolar woman long-term.
Because by the time they're 40 or so, the years of Lithium start to take their toll. One bipolar woman I know has to now take Imodium every or else the Lithium gives her constant diarrhea. Ewwww.
But...these women are often wild as hell and a fun ride when you're in your twenties. They tend to operate on sheer emotions and hormones. So if you make them angry, watch out. But if you're watching TV and chance across a porn movie...well, watch out but in a good way. Crazy stuff.
I don't know many bipolars still being prescribed lithium, since while it's considered an old standby it's a fairly high maintenance prescription. Cool/gross story though lol.
