[The Catalyst]

I've been looking around the internet and it seems a massive part of facial attractiveness is about how far forward your jaw is on your face(ie, jawline). It makes both male and females significantly more attractive.

Then I also stumbled across this article. I will comment on the pictures below them.

http://claimingpower.com/maxilla-up-forwards/



This girl had surgery. Low 4(or worse) to a low 8 in attractiveness right off. The others aren't as dramatic(I'd say a 1.5 point improvement).

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I don't know if my slut-dar is off but this girl looks more slutty in the first pic and less in the third.

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Not much to say that I can think of... but clear improvement nonetheless.

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This girl looks inbred and/or the American version of "bogan"... but not in the 3rd pic!

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This girl... piggy, piggy, stunning model(admittedly, some is makeup?)

[kinjutsu]

I agree with what you've post.
I might add the nose is a major factor as well.
We've all seen a few girls that have noses too large for their faces.

[Rudideviz]

Yep, I've been resting my tongue on the roof of my palate ever since I discovered dr. Mew's videos and I think it's definitely noticeable in my face.

Here's a good introduction:

[Alsos]

No time to watch the videos, but the implication of "myofunctional" is that these women are simply adjusting their facial 'poses' and re-toning their facial muscles. If so, it jibes with something I've noticed, that you can oftentimes tell an immigrant from a native-born by their face alone, the more easily the further from the Anglosphere their parent culture was. The simple fact of growing up speaking a particular mother tongue shapes one's facial musculature in a perceptibly different way.

Which makes me wonder if the ubiquity of the "bogan" look referenced above is an artifact of culture (contemporary speech patterns like uptalking and vocal fry, and facial expressions like resting bitch face and feminist perma-scowl) rather than the more alarming possibility that the gene pool is growing soupier by the year. If that's what those before/after pictures show, there's hope that dopey, trashy-looking girls can rehabilitate themselves. Perhaps someone could start a "facial yoga" trend...

[The Catalyst]

(07-06-2018 09:48 AM)Alsos Wrote:  

Which makes me wonder if the ubiquity of the "bogan" look referenced above is an artifact of culture (contemporary speech patterns like uptalking and vocal fry, and facial expressions like resting bitch face and feminist perma-scowl) rather than the more alarming possibility that the gene pool is growing soupier by the year. If that's what those before/after pictures show, there's hope that dopey, trashy-looking girls can rehabilitate themselves. Perhaps someone could start a "facial yoga" trend...

I've had another thread where an Aussie fattie got a lot hotter. Even facially. thread-68980.html

A conjecture/bunch of conjectures/trains of thought I have.

Reading paleo/alternative medicine(Weston Price, etc) sites, they make the argument that jaws being weak/pushed back is a modern phenomenon with shitty diets.

Because a weak jaw is pretty much the major determinant behind how facially attractive you are, it's likely modern people are some of the ugliest ever.

So if you have "high standards" for beauty- it seems to me it's perfectly normal you actually have regular standards- which means degeneracy(ability to ignore the disgust of ugly faces) is much higher than I'd imagine.

The fact that orthotropics among other things, as well as fighting the obesity epidemic, would make a significant perhaps 3-4 point jump in attractiveness, and it seems relatively easy/simple, makes me think there is some sort of conspiracy to make/allow people to be so unattractive. Society has literally been cheated of our god-given gift of attractive faces, strong(or innocent looking) forward facing jaws, and healthy bodies.

I've re-thinked my position on Anglo girls. I'd always taken for granted they are the worst looking white girls. However, if this is a temporary phenomenon, especially if faces are changable, then you'd have to look at the hottest Anglo girls, which to me are fucking amazing.

If chav/bogan culture really makes girls look that facially unattractive(as well as unattractive in other ways) then it's really a disgusting culture. I'd imagined upper class and lower class Anglos to be 2 "different races"- it's quite possible this isn't true and all Anglos could be like the upper class Anglos.

If this is true this is both encouraging and infuriating. That you, and girls you like, can all be significantly more attractive. But also how could society allow this to happen. Is the uglifying of society a deliberate plot of depopulation?

EDIT: I've passed the first picture around, couple of my friends agree the girl looks sluttier originally than in the third picture. Is it possible slut-dar cannot actually accurately detect sluttiness, but more the manifestation of the mentality/psychology that would lead to sluttiness? It seems impossible that a girl could *get* less slutty, so the fact that she looks less slutty means slut-dar might not be measuring what I thought it did.

[Ski pro]

(07-06-2018 05:57 AM)Rudideviz Wrote:  

Yep, I've been resting my tongue on the roof of my palate ever since I discovered dr. Mew's videos and I think it's definitely noticeable in my face.

Is this something you had to practice and continue to be conscious of or is it automatic now?

[The Catalyst]

(07-06-2018 02:54 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 05:57 AM)Rudideviz Wrote:  

Yep, I've been resting my tongue on the roof of my palate ever since I discovered dr. Mew's videos and I think it's definitely noticeable in my face.

Is this something you had to practice and continue to be conscious of or is it automatic now?

I taped my mouth with surgical tape every night to try to stop mouth breathing, it seems it also helps with tongue placement as well. I'm not sure if it's fully effective or that practicing tongue placement would make it habit faster, but mouth taping does seem to be a good automatic stop-gap solution.

[nomadbrah]

TL/DR

Weak chin = grow a beard.

[mikado]

(07-06-2018 03:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

TL/DR

Weak chin = grow a beard.

If you can't grow a beard to save your life, what should you do?

[The Catalyst]

(07-06-2018 03:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

TL/DR

Weak chin = grow a beard.

Wouldn't you rather try to fix the root cause?

[Psygnosis89]

(07-06-2018 03:09 PM)mikado Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 03:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

TL/DR

Weak chin = grow a beard.

If you can't grow a beard to save your life, what should you do?

Get as lean as possible.

[Repo]

^^^ Or get the surgery, or get jacked. Either way, chew lots of gum.

[Rudideviz]

(07-06-2018 02:54 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 05:57 AM)Rudideviz Wrote:  

Yep, I've been resting my tongue on the roof of my palate ever since I discovered dr. Mew's videos and I think it's definitely noticeable in my face.

Is this something you had to practice and continue to be conscious of or is it automatic now?

I had to consciously push myself to do it for about one to two weeks I would say. Then it started to come naturally. And now I can't imagine going back.

[Vladimir Poontang]

I've become very interested in what makes a female face beautiful. There are certain things that are very noticeable, such as eye size, distance between eyes, jaw size, etc, but there are also other, very tiny things that aren't so noticeable but which make a big difference. I think a woman's lips are the number one factor in beauty, and even a millimeter can make a difference.

However, don't underestimate personality. The way a woman carries herself, how she wears her face, how she animates it, can make an awfully big difference. I've seen plenty of nice faces which I find ugly because of how the girl carries herself, not to mention how she uses her voice. I find a lot of porn stars to be unlikable and ugly in real life, even the really pretty ones.

And they say men are the shallow ones.

[N°6]

How did Cillian Murphy go from the narrow jaw he had in Batman to the Peaky Blinders square jaw?

[questor70]

(07-07-2018 07:52 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

How did Cillian Murphy go from the narrow jaw he had in Batman to the Peaky Blinders square jaw?

I'm not sure he's even human in the first place...

[Ringo]

Might be broscience, but as far as I'm aware and have talked to knowledgeable bodybuilders, testosterone and HGH (and possibly other steroids?) can also help chisel the jawline and expand/grow the jaw.

[christpuncher]

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I taped my mouth with surgical tape every night to try to stop mouth breathing, it seems it also helps with tongue placement as well. I'm not sure if it's fully effective or that practicing tongue placement would make it habit faster, but mouth taping does seem to be a good automatic stop-gap solution

What's the method here you're taking? Tape wrapped around your chin and head? Can you describe or show a picture of how you managed to comfortably keep your mouth closed for during sleep?

[The Catalyst]

(07-07-2018 02:32 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  

Quote:

I taped my mouth with surgical tape every night to try to stop mouth breathing, it seems it also helps with tongue placement as well. I'm not sure if it's fully effective or that practicing tongue placement would make it habit faster, but mouth taping does seem to be a good automatic stop-gap solution

What's the method here you're taking? Tape wrapped around your chin and head? Can you describe or show a picture of how you managed to comfortably keep your mouth closed for during sleep?

This seems to be standard.

I like to buy the strongest adhesive surgical tape I can, so it works with 3/4 as much tape as shown in the pic.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-07-2018 09:09 AM)Ringo Wrote:  

Might be broscience, but as far as I'm aware and have talked to knowledgeable bodybuilders, testosterone and HGH (and possibly other steroids?) can also help chisel the jawline and expand/grow the jaw.

I agree - before you go into surgery - try simple bodybuilding with a moderate amount of juicing. Especially female bodybuilders have a severe transformation of their faces, but I am sure that it works on men as well.

Plus - getting jacked helps with the ladies too - if it gives you a more masculine face, then all the better.



Even old Sly got significantly broad-faced after decades of steroid use:

[LexisNexis]

All surgery can do for a male is alter his chin and nose. Can't do shit about everything else and there's a whole lot else.

[Vladimir Poontang]

I recommend face yoga.