Look at how Janka(he's 35 I guess) does it:
Game is a necessary evil
College Campuses for Older Guys
My old neighbor in college claimed to be '29', he very well could've been older but he could pass as a college-aged student and as such he picked up younger girls 18-22 all the time.
I will say this, if you 'look old', you're at risk of being the 'creepy old guy' if you go to the bars around the college, and it's unlikely you'll pull. You may have some success during the day if you can pass as the professor/intellectual type.
I will say this, if you 'look old', you're at risk of being the 'creepy old guy' if you go to the bars around the college, and it's unlikely you'll pull. You may have some success during the day if you can pass as the professor/intellectual type.
Quote: (09-26-2011 02:43 PM)bradz Wrote:
man I should have flipped a bitch, jumped out and introduced myself as the guy who almost ran her over - offered to buy her a drink or something....
I'm always a minute late on thinking of the right thing to do/say. Need to be quicker.
What would you guys have done?
I feel you did the right thing and I would have done the same.
Don't you think hopping out of your car to introduce yourself comes off as desperate ?
Good discussion. The best advice is to understand the dynamics of the campus and play the ratios to your benefit. The key to college game for non-college players is to find college girls who, through victim of circumstance, don't have many high value guys in their social circle.
I live in a mid-sized city. I know the local college campus well - it's my alma mater. It's well regarded for it's Math and Engineering programs - lots of geeks. There's no frat scene or varsity sports scene - no athletes or frat boys. These two factors level the playing field significantly for the average guy. For the experienced enterprising player, it's a goldmine for pussy.
The campus is about 40% white / 40% Asian / 20% Indian. Social circles are somewhat academically and ethnically segregated.The Asians and Indians overwhelmingly major in Math / Engineering / Science. The FOB Asians and Indians date other FOBs. The cool Asians and Indians date other cool Asians and Indians.
The white guys major in Engineering and Math mainly, though there's a handful in other faculties. Most of the white guys are geeks. The ones with girlfriends date the FOB Asian girls from their lectures.
The white girls on campus major overwhelmingly in Arts (psychology, sociology, history etc.) The Arts faculty is about 80% female. WHO ARE ALL THESE GIRLS DATING?
Most of the Asian/Indian guys on campus are unacceptable, and the few cool Asian/Indian guys are banging their hot coethnic girlfriends from their social circle. That leaves white guys, but they're mostly Math/Engineering geeks with no game.
Which means there's a huge shortage of acceptable guys for these white girls to date.
Which means there are a LOOOOT of lonely white girls on this campus.
These girls are horny and begging to be picked up. These girls will get their panties wet for a smoothtalking player with game.
When I see a white girl rolling out of the Arts building, I pounce.
I live in a mid-sized city. I know the local college campus well - it's my alma mater. It's well regarded for it's Math and Engineering programs - lots of geeks. There's no frat scene or varsity sports scene - no athletes or frat boys. These two factors level the playing field significantly for the average guy. For the experienced enterprising player, it's a goldmine for pussy.
The campus is about 40% white / 40% Asian / 20% Indian. Social circles are somewhat academically and ethnically segregated.The Asians and Indians overwhelmingly major in Math / Engineering / Science. The FOB Asians and Indians date other FOBs. The cool Asians and Indians date other cool Asians and Indians.
The white guys major in Engineering and Math mainly, though there's a handful in other faculties. Most of the white guys are geeks. The ones with girlfriends date the FOB Asian girls from their lectures.
The white girls on campus major overwhelmingly in Arts (psychology, sociology, history etc.) The Arts faculty is about 80% female. WHO ARE ALL THESE GIRLS DATING?
Most of the Asian/Indian guys on campus are unacceptable, and the few cool Asian/Indian guys are banging their hot coethnic girlfriends from their social circle. That leaves white guys, but they're mostly Math/Engineering geeks with no game.
Which means there's a huge shortage of acceptable guys for these white girls to date.
Which means there are a LOOOOT of lonely white girls on this campus.
These girls are horny and begging to be picked up. These girls will get their panties wet for a smoothtalking player with game.
When I see a white girl rolling out of the Arts building, I pounce.
The other college campus down the street has a very different social dynamic. Bigger varsity sports scene, bigger frat presence. 90% white. Lots of school pride, more of a party school reputation. Lots of good looking girls, but also lots of athlete types and good looking dudes to compete with. About 55% female/45% male. If she's halfway decent and not a recluse she's got good looking young college guys hollering at her in her social circle. A non-college guy would have a harder time penetrating this scene.
The simple answer: hang out at cafés around campus and run regular café game. Trying to infiltrate the party and social scene seems a bit try hard and creepy. Kind of like being the old guy at the club.
Quote: (09-26-2011 06:02 PM)Mace Wrote:
The key to college game for non-college players is to find college girls who, through victim of circumstance, don't have many high value guys in their social circle.
Bang. As I said earlier, the biggest determinant of how easy it is to game a girl in college is the richness of her social life. It matters more than how hot she is. Ugly girls in top sororities had huge bitch shields, while cute single girls who weren't in sororities with a small group of friends could be very warm. The second kind of girl is much more easily found during the day than at night. On average, they're uglier, but there are still plenty of cute ones too.
It's also a matter of size. The advantages of the college scene are diluted on huge campuses. There are more alphas running around generally, hot girls are much more likely to be scooped up by them, and the campus feels more like a city, where chicks put their guard up. On a small campus, it's not as easy to build a social circle full of people who are exactly alike, so their groups of friends are more eclectic. Engineering only schools can be a bust, because the girls are few and not too attractive. Liberal arts schools with weak athletics programs are great though.
GK Chesterton put it well:
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The man who lives in a small community lives in a much larger world. He knows much more of the fierce variety and uncompromising divergences of men…In a large community, we can choose our companions. In a small community, our companions are chosen for us. Thus in all extensive and highly civilized society groups come into existence founded upon sympathy, and shut out the real world more sharply than the gates of a monastery. There is nothing really narrow about the clan; the thing which is really narrow is the clique.
Forgot to add, one of my friends lives in a city overrun with college students, and he regularly crashes house parties. He pretends to be a student, and then tells the girls the truth after he bangs them. Don't let some bitchy girl calling you a creep keep you from enjoying the scene.
Quote: (09-26-2011 06:02 PM)Mace Wrote:
Good discussion. The best advice is to understand the dynamics of the campus and play the ratios to your benefit. The key to college game for non-college players is to find college girls who, through victim of circumstance, don't have many high value guys in their social circle.
I live in a mid-sized city. I know the local college campus well - it's my alma mater. It's well regarded for it's Math and Engineering programs - lots of geeks. There's no frat scene or varsity sports scene - no athletes or frat boys. These two factors level the playing field significantly for the average guy. For the experienced enterprising player, it's a goldmine for pussy.
Quote: (09-27-2011 09:42 AM)Mace Wrote:
The other college campus down the street has a very different social dynamic. Bigger varsity sports scene, bigger frat presence. 90% white. Lots of school pride, more of a party school reputation. Lots of good looking girls, but also lots of athlete types and good looking dudes to compete with. About 55% female/45% male. If she's halfway decent and not a recluse she's got good looking young college guys hollering at her in her social circle. A non-college guy would have a harder time penetrating this scene.
+1
Anyone choosing a college to swoop needs to read those words in bold.
Great advice! Trust me.
There is no single blanket strategy for a college campus. Every college is like a city within a city. There are multiple cultures and crowds co-existing side by side. Jocks, stoners, partiers, nerds, hipsters, etc. Plus, the dorm scence, the apartment scence, the off campus scence, the bar scence, etc.
Some schools have crazy nightlife and some don't. Some school have hot women walking around 24/7 and some schools are full of plain looking academic types.
Arizona State is like the playboy mansion compared to Santa Clara University. Almost literally!
Junior colleges are different from major universitites.
The key is to find your "fishbowl(s)". Where can you fit in and find success?
If you are 18-24, you can pretty much go anywhere and experiment with all the different scences.
Some guys should just join a frat because then they will have a built in social scence and girls to party with.
If you are 25+, you might have to be a bit more selective. You might not be able to just cruise the dorms and crash parties full of teenagers. Those guys might want to focus more on bars and day Gaming. It all depends how old you look and what style of Game you have.
If you are 30+, then you really have to find a niche or gimmick or something that can get you access. Workout at the campus gym, approach like crazy during the day, become a professors assistant, live/shop/hang out in the areas next to campus.
Shit, I have even worked on a college campus before and that was a beautiful thing. I banged at least a student or 2 every semester.
College campus Game is just like any other kind of Game. You gotta get out there and find your niche. Find places to fit in. Work the bars, join clubs, go to events, try dorm parties, try frats, try intrmural sports. Don't stay in your room jerking off.
Some schools have crazy nightlife and some don't. Some school have hot women walking around 24/7 and some schools are full of plain looking academic types.
Arizona State is like the playboy mansion compared to Santa Clara University. Almost literally!
Junior colleges are different from major universitites.
The key is to find your "fishbowl(s)". Where can you fit in and find success?
If you are 18-24, you can pretty much go anywhere and experiment with all the different scences.
Some guys should just join a frat because then they will have a built in social scence and girls to party with.
If you are 25+, you might have to be a bit more selective. You might not be able to just cruise the dorms and crash parties full of teenagers. Those guys might want to focus more on bars and day Gaming. It all depends how old you look and what style of Game you have.
If you are 30+, then you really have to find a niche or gimmick or something that can get you access. Workout at the campus gym, approach like crazy during the day, become a professors assistant, live/shop/hang out in the areas next to campus.
Shit, I have even worked on a college campus before and that was a beautiful thing. I banged at least a student or 2 every semester.
College campus Game is just like any other kind of Game. You gotta get out there and find your niche. Find places to fit in. Work the bars, join clubs, go to events, try dorm parties, try frats, try intrmural sports. Don't stay in your room jerking off.
College campuses are a bubble. Every school is different, every school has a reputation, every school attracts a certain type of personality.
Before you start gaming on campus, think of the personality type of the girl the school would attract. Every high school senior makes a conscious decision about the college she chooses to attend. Think of what would compel a 17 year old girl to choose this school in particular. Academic prestige? The party scene? Close to home?
Earlier I described two very different college campuses - Campus A and Campus B. Let’s look at Campus A. What's the sort of girl that would choose a heavily ethnic school with a good academic rep, but a minimal party scene? The studious, somewhat shy wallflower from nearby small towns. The “invisible” girls. These college girls are approachable and down to earth - they haven't evolved bitch shields yet as they haven't been conditioned to a lot of attention from men - at least not from smooth talking big city players. These girls don't go out much because they're repulsed by immature drunk douchebags; they spend their Friday nights working on lab reports or watching Twilight. They're also the sort of girl that'd commit to the first decent looking guy that asks her out (usually a guy she met in class). If you ever see a dorky looking guy holding hands with a cute 20 year old, this is how it happens. And they’re usually engaged / wifed up / out of the market by 25.
The college girl in Campus B was popular and outgoing and very social in high school - the social butterfly/queen bee. She grew up in an upper middle class suburb, the classic daddy's girl. She has a huge circle of friends who are just like her and sluts it up on the weekends. She's vain and superficial and cliquey wants a guy who'll make all her friends
jealous. The guy has to be near the top of her social hierarchy and fit the ideal mold - tall, muscular, athlete. The further you deviate from this mold, the harder it will be to get in with her. As an older outsider who exists outside this hierarchy you’re SOL.
Campus B has the cheerleaders and the girls in student council from high school. Campus A has the girls in the science decathlon. Campus B has too much competition from other equally social, outgoing guys. Campus A has shy, introverted geeks. Which campus is easier to game?
I wondered why I was having so much more success with day game on Campus A than Campus B, despite spitting the same game. Once I began to figure this out, everything else fell into place. It wasn't necessarily me, it was the environment.
Yes, Campus B has better looking girls, but Campus A girls will prove much easier to get with and less of a pain in the ass to date. And a skinny tight-bodied 20 year old is still a skinny tight-bodied 20 year old with the lights out.
Before you start gaming on campus, think of the personality type of the girl the school would attract. Every high school senior makes a conscious decision about the college she chooses to attend. Think of what would compel a 17 year old girl to choose this school in particular. Academic prestige? The party scene? Close to home?
Earlier I described two very different college campuses - Campus A and Campus B. Let’s look at Campus A. What's the sort of girl that would choose a heavily ethnic school with a good academic rep, but a minimal party scene? The studious, somewhat shy wallflower from nearby small towns. The “invisible” girls. These college girls are approachable and down to earth - they haven't evolved bitch shields yet as they haven't been conditioned to a lot of attention from men - at least not from smooth talking big city players. These girls don't go out much because they're repulsed by immature drunk douchebags; they spend their Friday nights working on lab reports or watching Twilight. They're also the sort of girl that'd commit to the first decent looking guy that asks her out (usually a guy she met in class). If you ever see a dorky looking guy holding hands with a cute 20 year old, this is how it happens. And they’re usually engaged / wifed up / out of the market by 25.
The college girl in Campus B was popular and outgoing and very social in high school - the social butterfly/queen bee. She grew up in an upper middle class suburb, the classic daddy's girl. She has a huge circle of friends who are just like her and sluts it up on the weekends. She's vain and superficial and cliquey wants a guy who'll make all her friends
jealous. The guy has to be near the top of her social hierarchy and fit the ideal mold - tall, muscular, athlete. The further you deviate from this mold, the harder it will be to get in with her. As an older outsider who exists outside this hierarchy you’re SOL.
Campus B has the cheerleaders and the girls in student council from high school. Campus A has the girls in the science decathlon. Campus B has too much competition from other equally social, outgoing guys. Campus A has shy, introverted geeks. Which campus is easier to game?
I wondered why I was having so much more success with day game on Campus A than Campus B, despite spitting the same game. Once I began to figure this out, everything else fell into place. It wasn't necessarily me, it was the environment.
Yes, Campus B has better looking girls, but Campus A girls will prove much easier to get with and less of a pain in the ass to date. And a skinny tight-bodied 20 year old is still a skinny tight-bodied 20 year old with the lights out.
I second the opinion of the person who said college campuses are different. Thus, it's not cut-and-dry to say college girls are "easy."
They are easier to approach than in real life, but being females, they're gonna play the same bullshit. Upside is that they're not as skilled at gaming you like older women. Downside is that they get so much attention (assuming you go for the hot ones) that it's hard to get them focused. Even what I just said is based on my experience, which is as follows:
The first university I attended had a 50/50 balance. But because of its location, we drew from a horrible talent pool. Thus, 8+'s were lower than the average population, and you had 6's acting like they were 10's. I ran passable alpha game at the time, but the degree of bitchiness I dealt with was surreal even for this low-quality talent.
The second university I attended was a small satellite, commuter campus of a large state school. The talent was far, far higher than the first school, but the problem was that it drew from an upper middle-class suburb of a major city. It was clear (to me) that the agenda of these girls was to find a top-shelf guy and marry him. If you weren't anywhere up to snuff, you were friend-zoned. By the time I went to the second school, I would say that my game was tight. But you're dealing with hot chicks from a high social class, and I got the impression that we were gaming each other. Again, these girls are not midwestern or North Dakota; they're fairly sophisticated in some coastal state.
They are easier to approach than in real life, but being females, they're gonna play the same bullshit. Upside is that they're not as skilled at gaming you like older women. Downside is that they get so much attention (assuming you go for the hot ones) that it's hard to get them focused. Even what I just said is based on my experience, which is as follows:
The first university I attended had a 50/50 balance. But because of its location, we drew from a horrible talent pool. Thus, 8+'s were lower than the average population, and you had 6's acting like they were 10's. I ran passable alpha game at the time, but the degree of bitchiness I dealt with was surreal even for this low-quality talent.
The second university I attended was a small satellite, commuter campus of a large state school. The talent was far, far higher than the first school, but the problem was that it drew from an upper middle-class suburb of a major city. It was clear (to me) that the agenda of these girls was to find a top-shelf guy and marry him. If you weren't anywhere up to snuff, you were friend-zoned. By the time I went to the second school, I would say that my game was tight. But you're dealing with hot chicks from a high social class, and I got the impression that we were gaming each other. Again, these girls are not midwestern or North Dakota; they're fairly sophisticated in some coastal state.
Quote: (09-26-2011 02:15 AM)Giovonny Wrote:
Sushifan,
How did you meet her?
At a Starbucks. I approached her as she was studying. Since she's hot, I focused on intellectual conversation about her book and said nothing in regards to her looks. Got the number and left. Called her a week later and met her for drinks one night. The rest is history.
Since I'm really busy with my business, I don't have a ton of free time and I'm not usually available. This makes her attraction to me stronger.
It won't last forever, but that's ok. That's life.
I just posted this in another thread. But it seems to belong here, and so I'm reposting it:
My god, is that the truth. I'm in my last semester of a second degree now, in my early to mid thirties. I take classes online through an out-of state state school, but take proctored tests at a community college. I go up to the community college and study for a few hours before each test.
Let me tell you that there is literally no better hunting ground that I have seen. That includes the local 4 year college campuses and any other social venues in the city.
If you want to practice day game (sorry Roosh, i haven't had a chance to buy Day Bang yet - I dont know if this advice contradicts), put on a cool but slightly preppy shirt (most guys there will be dressed super shitty), grab some reading material, any reading material so it looks like you belong (and an ipod so that you dont actually have to read if you dont want to), and go and find the study areas of your local community college. Check the building where they have their testing center, where the library is, and where other designated study areas might be.
Then, set up for a few hours and get ready for the parade of young, hot, available targets to walk by, sit near you to study, etc...
It seems to be a better strategy then more social areas, because girls will more often be solo in the study areas. When not studying, they tend to be walking somewhere or in groups. In the study areas, they are EASY targets. Also, there is something about the community college environment where girls aren't going to be too caught up in their own social groups to care if you are plugged in at their school (state school campuses), they definitely aren't pretentious (like on the Ivy campuses around my area), etc..Just young, dumb, and out for fun... Being older even seems to work as a sleight advantage on the community college campus.
Try it out, thank me later.
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The_CEO Escribió: There are some community colleges that are highly regarded academically, not expensive, and jammed with hot 18-20 y/o girls.
I went to univ but if i did it over again i'd seriously consider going that route
My god, is that the truth. I'm in my last semester of a second degree now, in my early to mid thirties. I take classes online through an out-of state state school, but take proctored tests at a community college. I go up to the community college and study for a few hours before each test.
Let me tell you that there is literally no better hunting ground that I have seen. That includes the local 4 year college campuses and any other social venues in the city.
If you want to practice day game (sorry Roosh, i haven't had a chance to buy Day Bang yet - I dont know if this advice contradicts), put on a cool but slightly preppy shirt (most guys there will be dressed super shitty), grab some reading material, any reading material so it looks like you belong (and an ipod so that you dont actually have to read if you dont want to), and go and find the study areas of your local community college. Check the building where they have their testing center, where the library is, and where other designated study areas might be.
Then, set up for a few hours and get ready for the parade of young, hot, available targets to walk by, sit near you to study, etc...
It seems to be a better strategy then more social areas, because girls will more often be solo in the study areas. When not studying, they tend to be walking somewhere or in groups. In the study areas, they are EASY targets. Also, there is something about the community college environment where girls aren't going to be too caught up in their own social groups to care if you are plugged in at their school (state school campuses), they definitely aren't pretentious (like on the Ivy campuses around my area), etc..Just young, dumb, and out for fun... Being older even seems to work as a sleight advantage on the community college campus.
Try it out, thank me later.
28? Are you kidding? Thats the average age at both community colleges and grad schools. The general rule is that girls up to 22 will date guys 5 years older, 23-25 7 years older. So the 23 year olds and older are fine with you. If you can't take a class or join a club then figure out a way to be on campus thats legit. Get a job or volunteer in the area. Or hire an intern.
Quote: (09-25-2011 03:33 PM)CupCake Wrote:
I'm recently 28 and I live right next to a major university. I've tried touring the campus on a sunny day last year and making on sunbathing girls, but it just felt awkward. Never went back.
Maybe it's all in my head but I fell like I'm...too old. I know that's not true but you know how college girls are. I figure I could always claim to be looking into the grad program as a cover, but I still feel like I can't connect to these girls very easily.
Any tips for the college campuses or college parties/events for us older dudes? I have a particularly difficult time opening college girls in groups. They seem to intentionally make things awkward, like no one wants to be the first to approve of my presence.
It's football season and I know the time's right to make something happen!
Guy below, either pay for it or become famous. Get in a good band. Make films. Make a lot of money. Become a good photographer. Get in line. Be realistic, you can get a 10 face and a 5 body or a 5 face and a 10 body.
We all already know what it takes to pull 10s. Problem is that we don't have what it takes. A 18 year old 5 is like a 40 year old 10. I had a 20 year old girlfriend recently, thats half my age. She was a 7, good enough for me!
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lamo, I can get college girls but there are some, like the top 10% hotties that I feel like are a waste of time. Those are the ones I want. I'm not here looking for advice on how to get average chicks. I want to get some where I wake up in the morning I'm like, holy shit! I pulled that? It happens occasionally but not nearly often enough.
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We all already know what it takes to pull 10s. Problem is that we don't have what it takes. A 18 year old 5 is like a 40 year old 10. I had a 20 year old girlfriend recently, thats half my age. She was a 7, good enough for me!
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lamo, I can get college girls but there are some, like the top 10% hotties that I feel like are a waste of time. Those are the ones I want. I'm not here looking for advice on how to get average chicks. I want to get some where I wake up in the morning I'm like, holy shit! I pulled that? It happens occasionally but not nearly often enough.
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Love this one. I went to 2 different universities undie runs recently (google it). They must have thought I was a professor cause I'm almost their dad's age! A little hard to crash house parties and get away with it when youre a lot older. Need to get invited or a connection somehow.
Forgot to add, one of my friends lives in a city overrun with college students, and he regularly crashes house parties. He pretends to be a student, and then tells the girls the truth after he bangs them. Don't let some bitchy girl calling you a creep keep you from enjoying the scene.
Forgot to add, one of my friends lives in a city overrun with college students, and he regularly crashes house parties. He pretends to be a student, and then tells the girls the truth after he bangs them. Don't let some bitchy girl calling you a creep keep you from enjoying the scene.
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