[Roosh]

The gangbanger had several stints in prison, which added to his alpha allure. He even met Vanessa Trump in an alpha manner:

Quote:

Even their first meeting — around fifth grade at P.S. 158 at 77th Street and York Avenue, Rivera recalls — was tinged with trouble. “We was in the carnival in the school and I hit her with a water balloon, and she told on me. I went to the principal’s office

They met again in high school...

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They quickly began dating, but a year later, Rivera was arrested for assault and given a 1 1/3-to-four-year prison sentence. Before transferring to an upstate maximum-security youth prison, Rivera spent a few weeks on Rikers Island, where Vanessa — who would go on to give birth to five of the president’s grandchildren — came to visit him with Rivera’s mother.

“She was heartbroken that I was being taken away,” he said. “The first time [she came to visit], she was upset — she cried a little bit — but after a while, we get used to things. She only came to visit me twice because her mother forbid her from coming to visit me.”

Once upstate, Rivera quickly got a rep that caught the eye of the Latin Kings, a street gang that formed in Chicago in the 1940s but that is now reputed to be the largest Hispanic gang in the world. “A few fights, a few slashings, and my name was ready in the prison as a person who was a bad guy.”

Vanessa kept in touch with him in prison, and after a 16-month sentence, “I came home [to New York City], I was a full-blown Latin King, and now I came home to a whole nation of Latin Kings.”

He also came home to Vanessa. Though they were young, Rivera tells us that he and Vanessa were deeply in love and even discussed getting married and having children. She presciently told Rivera that she wanted to have five kids — which she eventually did with Don Jr.

[...]

Vanessa regularly drove Rivera to gang meetings at locations around the city, including the El Bohio community center on the Lower East Side. She wasn’t welcome to stay for meetings since she was neither a member nor — without Latin heritage — eligible to become one.

“She was fascinated. We were kids. She liked the street life at the time,” said Rivera. “She liked that type of environment — being around gang members and stuff.”

At Dwight — where Rivera could frequently be seen at the school gates waiting to pick her up — he gave her a dangerous mystique. Asked what appealed to Vanessa about the gang lifestyle, Rivera said, “Maybe it was the attention she was getting. From her classmates,” he said, “from everybody.” (A Dwight classmate once described Vanessa to New York magazine as “an ill thug.”)

While Vanessa blended in with the uptown set, Rivera told us that after spending time around gang members, she became a little more “rugged” and even “a little cocky.”

“She got into a couple of little catfights,” Rivera told us. “She was pretty jealous,” he said, “as far as other girls and stuff, she let it be known that I was her man.”

How did things end with the gangbanger? Well, she found another guy...

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Their five-year romance ended in 1998 when Rivera discovered in the New York Post that Vanessa — by then a model with the Wilhelmina agency — had been cheating on him with Leonardo DiCaprio.

“DiCaprio’s luscious love is 20-year-old fashion model Vanessa Haydon. The passionate pair have been inseparable over the past two weeks,” Page Six revealed on May 1, 1998. They “tried to keep a tight lid on their budding romance — but it all spilled out during a private party in a trendy SoHo loft last week … The couple could be seen holding hands, kissing and cuddling into the wee hours in a dimly lit corner.”

“I don’t think it’s a fling,” an acquaintance of Vanessa told Page Six at the time. []

https://pagesix.com/2018/03/19/donald-tr...o-vanessa/

Well at least Jr. got her when she was still hot. Also got 5 kids out of her. Assuming he had a rock-solid prenup, maybe he'll come out from the divorce okay.

   



She lost her spunk towards the end of the marriage...

[Sidney Crosby]

Don Jr. is hitting the gym hard now. I expect him to have some grade A piece of ass pretty soon.

Vanessa is still a WB but she's approaching the wall at mach speed.

[TigOlBitties]

Men age like wine, and women age like milk.

[Enoch]

(05-09-2018 08:25 PM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  

Men age like wine, and women age like milk.

Compared to the average american woman with 5 kids, she looks great.

I know DJT introduced the two at a fashion show, he must not have known...

[TigOlBitties]

(05-09-2018 08:40 PM)Enoch Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 08:25 PM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  

Men age like wine, and women age like milk.

Compared to the average american woman with 5 kids, she looks great.

I know DJT introduced the two at a fashion show, he must not have known...

Her looks are about to fade fast, especially when compared to how Don Jr. is on the rise. The much more unappealing part of her is the soulless, crazy eyes look she has now.

[Thot Leader]

Cholo's not even handsome. Thug allure is right. Given Donnie's money and connections why in tf would he settle for her leftover taco bowl.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

To give credit where it's due, Forum member Graft originally dug up this info back on March 15 as part of the Donald Trump thread. Maybe the mainstream media got the idea for the above story from this forum, because other media outlets definitely were not writing about it.

I had added to Graft's comments and mentioned that several online media sources had since deleted their 2005 stories on this subject. Link here.

***

I do have some new info to add. And it's not good news. Let's put it this way: The media might read this forum, but Trump Jr. definitely doesn't.

The New York Post is reporting that Donald Jr. is now dating Fox news host Kimberly Guilfoyle -- a woman who is NINE years OLDER than him. He's 40. She's 49.

On top of that, Guilfoyle is a lawyer. But not the "nice" bleeding heart kind. She's the scary kind. She was a prosecutor and then an assistant district attorney. It gets worse.

She was previously married to San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome. She left him when she split for New York to start a career in TV. After that, she married the heir of a furniture business, had a kid with him, and then they split up less than three years later.

How many manosphere red flags does this raise? If anyone of us got on here and described this woman, the whole forum would be saying "Stay away! Danger! Steer clear!"

On top of that, I don't particularly think Guilfoyle is that hot. She's got that "classy TV host" look down pat, but she also looks Botoxed to the max. I live in an area where a lot of the older women get Botox. By the time they're 60 it makes them look like crazy people. I contend that Crazy Botox Face ™ is one reason Shrillary lost the election. But I digress.

[Suits]

^^^^Looks like Junior is just as bad at choosing women as his father.

[Higgs Bosun]

Relax guys, it's 9-D chess.

#Team Wait and See

(As an aside, if my choice of pussy was between a prosecutor lawyer or a "bleeding heart" lawyer I'd choose the prosecutor all day long. Locking up vibrant citizens of diversity for vibrant acts committed I can respect, whereas the "refugees welcome" mentality makes me wanna nuke shit from orbit.)

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(05-09-2018 09:46 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  

Relax guys, it's 9-D chess.

#Team Wait and See

(As an aside, if my choice of pussy was between a prosecutor lawyer or a "bleeding heart" lawyer I'd choose the prosecutor all day long. Locking up vibrant citizens of diversity for vibrant acts committed I can respect, whereas the "refugees welcome" mentality makes me wanna nuke shit from orbit.)

I would not share my bed (or my life) with any woman who locks anyone up for a living.

When someone has the combative "lock 'em up" mentality, it's only a matter of time until it's directed towards you. Ignoring that is being like the women who date violent men, then act all surprised when the violence is eventually directed toward them.

See the scorpion and the frog parable for further details.

[Buck Wild]

(05-09-2018 09:42 PM)Suits Wrote:  

^^^^Looks like Junior is just as bad at choosing women as his father.

Definitely. Lot of guys don't get that "red pill" and "alpha" aren't the same thing---at best they're substantially overlapping on a Venn diagram, but no more than that.

[Suits]

(05-10-2018 09:18 AM)Buck Wild Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 09:42 PM)Suits Wrote:  

^^^^Looks like Junior is just as bad at choosing women as his father.

Definitely. Lot of guys don't get that "red pill" and "alpha" aren't the same thing---at best they're substantially overlapping on a Venn diagram, but no more than that.

That's as good an explanation for why I've held back from having high expectations for Trump's time in office.

First off, Trump has been very good for America (and the world) so far. But at the end of the day, he's an alpha and not necessarily red-pill. In many cases, being a natural alpha prevents guys from seeing the truth about women.

Trump's pick for Secretary of State has had a direction that suggests that Devos has a red-pill mentality, but that doesn't mean that Trump or any his family really "gets it."

[Enoch]

Guilfoyle is older than Melania Trump.

Sure she looks good for 49 but there is no reason DJT Jr couldn't be dating a 23yr old MAGA girl who wants to give him 5 more kids.

[debeguiled]

(05-09-2018 09:19 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

On top of that, Guilfoyle is a lawyer. But not the "nice" bleeding heart kind. She's the scary kind. She was a prosecutor and then an assistant district attorney. It gets worse.

She was previously married to San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome. She left him when she split for New York to start a career in TV. After that, she married the heir of a furniture business, had a kid with him, and then they split up less than three years later.

Gavin Newsome has Trudeau-Face.



I have known high power women lawyers like this woman. I bet she just bulls her way into and out of whatever she wants.

Some men are pretty passive in their personal lives, and there is a good chance she gravitates towards less strong willed men.

All you have to do to be married to a woman like this is not stop her.

[nola]

(05-10-2018 09:54 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 09:18 AM)Buck Wild Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 09:42 PM)Suits Wrote:  

^^^^Looks like Junior is just as bad at choosing women as his father.

Definitely. Lot of guys don't get that "red pill" and "alpha" aren't the same thing---at best they're substantially overlapping on a Venn diagram, but no more than that.

That's as good an explanation for why I've held back from having high expectations for Trump's time in office.

First off, Trump has been very good for America (and the world) so far. But at the end of the day, he's an alpha and not necessarily red-pill. In many cases, being a natural alpha prevents guys from seeing the truth about women.

Trump's pick for Secretary of State has had a direction that suggests that Devos has a red-pill mentality, but that doesn't mean that Trump or any his family really "gets it."

As seen by his female appointments. Surprised more guys aren't calling that out on here. Reverse trump derangement syndrome. Trump has appointed a lot of war pigs to power. I do not approve. Although maybe a good strategy to garner southern and midwest war pig support. I'm no campaign strategist though.

Exhibit 1 Sarah Huckabee Sanders

[TigerMandingo]

Nola, yep.

Some poster actually referred to Sarah Sanders as "feminine"....

[kaotic]

First off Gavin Newsome is a faggot - and running for mayor here in CA - along with another retard little Anthony on the dem's side.

I don't give a shit what anyone says - that ex wife had alpha widow syndrome, firs the gange banger, then Leo.

The fact this dude didn't screen is gobsmacking - i wrote about it in the Trump thread.

And now his newsest venture? Come on man.

Jesus christ, how hard is it to find a hot piece of femine ass being the presidents newly single son?

If he acted with women how he acts on twitter he'd be drowning in pussy.


I guess i also have to keep in mind he's also a great father.

[Repo]

Because real feminine women don't through themselves at him(or anyone) as much as these skanks do. Got to consider, he is in a position where skanks are throwing themselves at him 24/7, and even though he clearly needs to make better choices there is probably alot of fear that younger women are more likely to be putting on an act to divorce him for money later . . Versus an older women who will claim she's done with that life and wants to settle.

[Graft]

Dupe to my post on the DJT thread, but added comments:

The top girl that D Jr should be dating:

Madison Gesiotto: Former miss Ohio, contributor on FNC

   
   

Her insta

Real stunner, young enough to be a knockout, old enough to be accomplished, and a passenger on the MAGA train.

Most likely Jesse Watters will get to her first after he drops the 7 that he left his wife for.

[kaotic]

(05-11-2018 12:29 PM)Repo Wrote:  

Because real feminine women don't through themselves at him(or anyone) as much as these skanks do. Got to consider, he is in a position where skanks are throwing themselves at him 24/7, and even though he clearly needs to make better choices there is probably alot of fear that younger women are more likely to be putting on an act to divorce him for money later . . Versus an older women who will claim she's done with that life and wants to settle.

An older woman like Guilfoyle whose divorced and a career whore?

I'll take the odds with a younger feminine women every single time.

He doesn't need to wife these chicks up, I'm just saying he'd dating poorly.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

OK, essay time! I have something to add that speaks to the larger issue at hand.

Wealth can often be a prison for kids who grow up in it. It limits your choices and social circle. I feel DT Jr. is in some ways a prisoner of his dad's life and that explains his (poor) dating record.

I have first-hand experience with this. I have nephews growing up super-wealthy. (I also dated in this circle in college but this comparison will focus on the nephews, since they're guys.) These kids actually have less freedom than I did. Everything is mapped out: Their private schools, their leisure time, their activities, their lessons, the clothes they wear, etc.

On top of that, their dating pool seems a lot more shallow than the one I swam in. They can't just drive their ratty old Dodge Charger to the 7-Eleven and meet the hot working class teen babe (one of my favorite old stories I tell on here all the time).

There are EXPECTATIONS about who these boys can date. The girls have to be in a similar social standing or mom and dad go berserk and the neighbors start tut-tutting. Wait...for that matter, these kids can't even drive a car like a Dodge. There are unwritten "rules" about their cars. They have to be respectable.

Then there are the career paths. When I chose journalism, my folks didn't like it, but they went with it. It paid next to no money. I STILL drove the Charger -- noisy as hell. What could they do? They struggled when they were young and understood me in that respect.

My rich nephews ain't gonna be choosing any "off-center" careers, that's for sure. Their colleges are already picked out and they're being prepped daily. They now need to equal or surpass how well their dad did. That ain't gonna be easy. The pressure is already on.

These kids went from being fun, rambunctious boys to looking like beaten-down inmates. They seem world-weary and jaded, and they're still young.

All told, I would prefer having lived a middle class upbringing instead of having to deal with a zillion expectations on what I'm supposed to do. I wasn't living in my dad's shadow. I knew none of his friends or co-workers. I was able to create my own "reality."

And it's that reality that I now look back on as MY LIFE. I picked it. I hung out at the local print shop, found area record stores, met musicians, dated weird-as-hell girls, got my own job my folks knew NOTHING about, had my car break down, stayed at the beach with no money, etc.

Freedom isn't traveling to dozens of countries because guidance counselors and professors say that "travel" helps make you well-rounded. That's pre-emptive resume padding.

No one knew what I did or where I was most of the time when I was growing up. I didn't have much money, but I had freedom from pressure, which is pretty damned valuable.

Maybe this is the real reason so many people seem impressed with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. Say what you want about Markle, but in picking her, Harry at least threw off the shackles that he clearly had to live with all his life. She might have red flags everywhere, but she's HIS choice, not the choice of his family, friends, and social circle.

Don Jr. could take a tip from him in that respect. I think he's spent his life like Frank Sinatra, Jr.: Living his dad's script, not authoring his own.

[eljeffster]

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)nola Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 09:54 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 09:18 AM)Buck Wild Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 09:42 PM)Suits Wrote:  

^^^^Looks like Junior is just as bad at choosing women as his father.

Definitely. Lot of guys don't get that "red pill" and "alpha" aren't the same thing---at best they're substantially overlapping on a Venn diagram, but no more than that.

That's as good an explanation for why I've held back from having high expectations for Trump's time in office.

First off, Trump has been very good for America (and the world) so far. But at the end of the day, he's an alpha and not necessarily red-pill. In many cases, being a natural alpha prevents guys from seeing the truth about women.

Trump's pick for Secretary of State has had a direction that suggests that Devos has a red-pill mentality, but that doesn't mean that Trump or any his family really "gets it."

As seen by his female appointments. Surprised more guys aren't calling that out on here. Reverse trump derangement syndrome. Trump has appointed a lot of war pigs to power. I do not approve. Although maybe a good strategy to garner southern and midwest war pig support. I'm no campaign strategist though.

Exhibit 1 Sarah Huckabee Sanders

Did some MOFO question my WARPIG?!

[Repo]

(05-11-2018 12:57 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 12:29 PM)Repo Wrote:  

Because real feminine women don't through themselves at him(or anyone) as much as these skanks do. Got to consider, he is in a position where skanks are throwing themselves at him 24/7, and even though he clearly needs to make better choices there is probably alot of fear that younger women are more likely to be putting on an act to divorce him for money later . . Versus an older women who will claim she's done with that life and wants to settle.

An older woman like Guilfoyle whose divorced and a career whore?

I'll take the odds with a younger feminine women every single time.

He doesn't need to wife these chicks up, I'm just saying he'd dating poorly.

Hey I agree, I'm just saying what game she's playing.

[CincinnatiKid]

You literally can't make this stuff up:
Vanessa Trump planned to marry Saudi Prince after Latin King romance


Vanessa Trump moved on to a Saudi prince — whose father was once suspected of indirect ties to the 9/11 attackers — after her romances with Latin King Valentin Rivera and Leo DiCaprio.

Sources told Page Six that Vanessa and Prince Khalid bin Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud were even planning to marry until the Sept. 11 attacks.

“They dated from 1998 to 2001 and lived together. He ditched her on 9/11; days after, he flew back to Saudi Arabia. They were planning to marry [at the time]. They were inseparable,” a source told Page Six.

Bandar is part of the powerful Al Saud dynasty.

His father, Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud, was Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the US from 1983 to 2005, with ties so close to the Bush family he was known as “Bandar Bush.”

He was suspected of indirect ties to al Qaeda and associates of the 9/11 hijackers, but there was no evidence that he knowingly provided support for the attacks. He insisted, “Saudi Arabia has nothing to hide” and 9/11 was “the worst thing to happen to us.”

Vanessa’s relationship with the younger Bandar was a stark contrast to her marriage to Donald Jr., who, sources told Page Six, treated her like a “second-class citizen.”

The wealthy Saudi prince was also a big upgrade from Rivera, who recently shared love letters she wrote to him in prison. “Bandar treated her as if she was his queen. It was the complete opposite from Don Jr. They were together 24/7. They were a real couple,” the source said.

A second source close to Trump, however, down played their relationship.

“They dated in her early 20s. They never lived together and were not planning to get married.”

Oxford graduate Khalid married British aristocrat Lucy Caroline Cuthbert, the Duke of Northumberland’s niece, in 2011.

He became Saudi ambassador to Germany in 2017.

https://pagesix.com/2018/05/12/vanessa-t...g-romance/

[Repo]

Well, I hope Trump junior wasn't beta enough to let her in on a bunch of family secrets. Wait. . . .