[pargan]

Whenever the subject of gaming girls in sororities/top tier white college aged girls comes up I often see people say it's to difficult and you need to be in a top frat to get with these girls.

But if you're not in a frat what would be the best game to use to get with these girls. Would someone college aged but not in college have a chance with these girls? I hear some people say they care about status more then money is this true?

Do these girls tend to have racial preferences, are they easier or harder to get by certain groups? For example would these type of girls be receptive to a black guy?

I see a lot of conflicting opinions on these type of girls on the forums so I would like to get some better info on the topic as well as some field info if anyone has any direct info on these girls.

[MongolianAbroad]

Be in law school/medical school/architecture school, etc., at the same university the sorority's in.

That's what I've done.

Also, TA a class that sorority girls attend, but don't be a regular TA, be a guy that's a top quality guy and is just TA'ing for fun, for example, you're financially independent and like to TA or be a regular speaker or something like that, for the intellectual/social aspects, so she meets you in a setting where everyone looks up to you.

You could also be a professor, but that's far too much effort unless you want to be a professor.

Sorority girls get a bad rep, "sorostitutes," for example, but I've found some of them to be some of the highest quality girls in America, both in looks and values. I would definitely consider dating one if I was willing to work hard enough to maintain the status level that a girl like that wants.

I'm not, I'm more of a minimalist now, so I look elsewhere, you can get a girl just as beautiful abroad that will require you to put in much less hours at work, or allow you to work at the work you want, and take more risk, versus the work that keeps you at a certain social strata, but perhaps makes you unhappy day to day and limits the amount of risk you can take.

Unless you come from money, but in that case you're probably in a frat already and life is much easier on the whole, and it takes you less work to maintain this kind of girl due to your family wealth/connections.

It's an option if you want to live a certain kind of life or if you were born to that life.

[a beer is enough]

My response must have opened up some sort of a pandora's box.....

In order to get these kinds of girls, being in a respectable fraternity or on a sports team is by far the easiest and most fool proof way. If you're a college kid, the other way is to get some good status of your own such as always being involved on campus organizations that are popular and having some sort of a leadership position there.

Once you get outside of your undergrad years, it becomes a lot more difficult to get these kinds of girls because they don't want to be seen with a random. While it might be difficult, it is still possible.

One way is to be involved in the nightlife scene of the given college campus, a lot of sorority girls are itching to get bartending jobs at bars in a given college town, it is easy money and they love partying. If you're up for it, try to get in on that scene as a bartender or even a manager at the bar.

You can also get involved with the party scene in general, you will be guaranteed to run into sorority girls every now and then.

The other way is to just be involved in whatever activity or scene these girls will naturally flock to, they're not that single minded. You might have a sorority girl that loves learning how to surf so get involved there.

The other thing you can do is what game was meant to do, cold approach if you are in a big city. Tons of sorority girls will be interning in a major city during the summer, go out and run some game on girls you think are hot, chances are some of them might even end up being sorority girls. The hang ups about status and Greek Life momentarily go away when these girls travel or spend summer in a different city.

You can also move to the "hip" areas of a major city where tons of sorority girls will be flocking to after college, of course they won't actively be in a sorority but you're kinda getting the same type of girl.

All that being said, so much work is required that I don't really think older guys should bother much with this demographic. I mean I get it, a lot of guys who are late bloomers have a chip on their shoulder than they believe smashing sorority girls will fix but it is a lot of effort. There are tons of beautiful women out there to even make that many sacrifices on this demographic.

As for the race thing, all I will say is if you're insecure about your race, you're weak and should not bother. These girls sniff out weakness like no one's business and the last thing they want to do on top of going interracial is to date a pushover who is not even comfortable in his own skin.

[scorpion]

For background, I was a fraternity guy in the top house at a big school back in the day. I dated and knew a lot of sorority girls in college. To be blunt: if you aren't a member of a top fraternity, you simply aren't going to have access to the top tier of sorority girls. Period. Social exclusion and filtering is the raison d'etre for these organizations. The highest quality sorority girls are basically only there to find prospective husbands. Most of the fraternity men are oblivious to this reality at the time, but you'd be amazed how many of them wind up marrying their college girlfriends. When I look at my own college social circle the vast majority (like literally 80%) of the most desirable sorority girls ended up marrying fraternity guys they dated in school.

This is about social and economic class more than anything else. It's an intergenerational system that perpetuates itself - young men from good families join fraternities to party and enhance their social status, roughly differentiating themselves status-wise based on the reputation of the particular fraternity they join. Fathers send their pretty daughters to college and pay for them to join sororities, knowing they will party a bit but more importantly knowing they will be associating with high status young men like they themselves used to be. The prettier the daughter, the higher quality (i.e. largest group of other pretty girls) sorority she gets a bid from, and the highest status fraternities and highest quality sororities always associate heavily. Thus it's likely that daddy's pretty daughter will end up dating and marrying a man of a similar or greater social class and background to her father. And all the father has to do is write a dues check each month.

For the most part, it works out pretty well for all parties. Johnny frat star has a few years of fun and finds himself a nice wife, Susie sorority princess parties enough to feel like she hasn't missed out before locking down a good husband, and Susie's father can rest easy knowing he will have quality grandchildren to continue his legacy. There is little opportunity for outsiders to get involved, unless you're satisfied to chase after the bottom-tier girls from second or third-rate sororities who might be 5's or 6's on a good day (at which point why bother? There's no shortage of more attractive women everywhere else. You'd only be doing so to say you successfully pulled a sorority girl).

But if you think you can waltz in as an outsider and pull the stereotypical vision of a sorority girl (i.e. a hot, well-mannered blonde from a good family) you're delusional. It just doesn't happen. It doesn't happen because the system is specifically designed to prevent it from happening. It's designed to exclude non-approved men and keep them away from those girls. It's designed to limit their choices to a pre-selected group of young men from good families who meet certain social status requirements.

[a beer is enough]

While what Scorpion could have been true years back, I do want to say as someone who graduated from a university with a big Greek Life scene that it isn't as set in stone these days. Might vary from school to school, perhaps at a private university it really is the way Scorpion said but isn't the way for all schools.

From what I noticed, yes there were girls in top tier sororities who fit what Scorpion is talking about and followed that path, the times are affecting even them though. A lot of these girls did hook up with guys outside of their Greek social circles such as athletes and the occasional guy they might have been involved in a given activity with. One of my friends met a girl who fit the bill through volunteering at a summer camp, she was in the top sorority on campus and came from a rich family but spent a lot of time around him. A number of girls in any given sorority will occasionally break off from the stereotype as well.

What I find more common these days is that these girls typically graduate college, move to a hot trendy area of a major city where others like them congregate because YOLO (high cost of living, yuppies, etc.), often end up with a nice paying job and then from there intermingle with their college crowd as well as others who are "cool" enough to join it. I found quite a few of these girls who were single into their mid 20s but I do think this is a relatively recent thing, you'll definitely find them on dating apps too.

Looks matter a lot to these girls, probably moreso than any other demographic out there.

The biggest take away from this post is that these girls will not compromise on value like other kinds of girls will. They want guys who look their best, are charismatic, socially well connected and successful. In other words, to be the exception you have to bring immense value to the table and "game" alone is not going to cut it. If you end up in the same kind of crowd a lot of upper middle class kids ended up in after college (yuppies), you will have some opportunities but the competition is going to be tough for these kinds of girls.

Most of all, I think you either "get it" or you don't with these girls. They never really grow out of the high school cool phase and if you didn't get them in high school, you would have issues getting them after it unless you became cool and high value yourself.

[RDF]

Scorpion's point is absolutely true when it comes to serious dating/marriage. These girls are typically very self-conscious about their status, and will mainly get serious only with guys who fit the stereotypical frat guy that their father would approve of. And indeed, the entire point of the system (especially in Southern/Midwest schools, less so on west coast) is specifically for that to happen.

However, when it comes to pulling these girls for a one-nighter or a fling, it is definitely possible if you don't fit that image. It is NOT easy, by any stretch, but it can be done. A few thoughts.

- Competition is definitely intense for these girls. These are probably the most widely desired girls in the world. So, looks and status matter even more than usual. If you aren't at least average looking, your success rate will be too low to bother playing (for the record, I think almost all guys can qualify as "average looking" with a fresh haircut, good style, and staying in good shape).

- Obviously being very good looking or having high status (such as a bartender at the most popular college bar) will help a lot. Money doesn't really help unless you can provide unique experiences that she doesn't have access to.

- The best long-term strategy is to build a social circle that includes girls like this. It'll be harder without an easy in, but if you're buddies with a guy in a fraternity and he introduces you to a girl, you have a much higher chance of pulling her than on cold approach. Don't be afraid to keep girls like this as just friends. I see a lot of guys say that there is no value in having girl friends, but the two hottest chicks I've ever pulled (both fitting this stereotype) were through social circle. Interestingly enough, I was already out of college as well.

- Don't limit yourself to just these girls, but also don't be afraid to step up to the plate. Catching a girl at the right time with a cold approach, coupled with decent looks/style and solid game, can work. I've done it and I've seen it happen many times. You'll never know if you don't try.

On another note, I can relate to the desire to specifically bang these type of chicks. I always struggled to get these type of girls in college and frustrated the shit out of me. After graduating, getting out of a toxic relationship, and finding this forum, I was able to bang several (as well as other girls) in a short period of time. In my experience so far, these type of girls are overrated... sex is mediocre, they look much worse without the makeup and expensive dress, and can be pretty high maintenance. Plenty of other awesome girls out there to not only focus on the sorority princess.

[Kish]

(05-06-2018 02:52 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Sorority girls get a bad rep, "sorostitutes," for example, but I've found some of them to be some of the highest quality girls in America, both in looks and values.

The great thing about sorority girls is they dress feminine. Probably the highest quality white girls in America. Black sorority girls from HBCU's are also hot.

[pancakemouse]

Seeking Arrangement, but you'd probably have to be older.

You can still be a top guy on campus without being in a fraternity. That's your best bet if you're still in college.

[Brosemite]

(05-06-2018 03:19 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

The other thing you can do is what game was meant to do, cold approach if you are in a big city. Tons of sorority girls will be interning in a major city during the summer, go out and run some game on girls you think are hot, chances are some of them might even end up being sorority girls. The hang ups about status and Greek Life momentarily go away when these girls travel or spend summer in a different city.

You can also move to the "hip" areas of a major city where tons of sorority girls will be flocking to after college, of course they won't actively be in a sorority but you're kinda getting the same type of girl.

All that being said, so much work is required that I don't really think older guys should bother much with this demographic. I mean I get it, a lot of guys who are late bloomers have a chip on their shoulder than they believe smashing sorority girls will fix but it is a lot of effort. There are tons of beautiful women out there to even make that many sacrifices on this demographic.

As for the race thing, all I will say is if you're insecure about your race, you're weak and should not bother. These girls sniff out weakness like no one's business and the last thing they want to do on top of going interracial is to date a pushover who is not even comfortable in his own skin.

Agree with all the points above. The Summer Intern thing is extremely true. Something I've capitalized on in the past.

Speaking from experience as well, race isn't going to be an issue provided you're a confident guy that mingles in the right circles too.

[SteezeySteve]

How hard is it to pull off the independent party guy thing and operating as a solo cat?

Obviously not for everyone but whats stopping someone from making friends with key frat guys,knowing girls,and being the guy who comes through with the booze/weed ?
Bum out qaulity smokes or dip to somebody who matters?

[Nolecbo]

By the time you get to top level sororities at top schools your game should be flawless. A top fraternity can get you in, but not free booze - these girls don’t buy their own drinks. This is “free coke” level, the demand for girls like this is breathtaking.

But go for it, getting blown out will toughen up any guy. And you never know what her mood is that night, maybe you are just a revenge fuck for the investment banker who didn’t take her to Paris that weekend.

Edited for grammar mistake

[MongolianAbroad]

(05-07-2018 01:13 PM)SteezeySteve Wrote:  

How hard is it to pull off the independent party guy thing and operating as a solo cat?

Obviously not for everyone but whats stopping someone from making friends with key frat guys,knowing girls,and being the guy who comes through with the booze/weed ?
Bum out qaulity smokes or dip to somebody who matters?

These guys don't need your money, though. They have daddy's money.

The girls don't need it either, they have their daddy's money and the frat guys' dads' money.

[Disco_Volante]

College is like a mini-Hollywood, its heavily dependent on what status and social group you are a part of.

Are you on the baseball team? Football team? fraternity? stoners?

Your access to certain women depends entirely on what group you're perceived as being a part of. It doesn't matter if you're better looking than guys in her social circle, girls are herd animals and will value your affiliations over everything.

I was 1st generation college in my family and I couldn't fathom why other kids my age would care about stupid shit like that so much but they do. You're on a campus with 10,000 of the opposite sex and you're like wow this is great! Until you realize it's already filtered down to only certain ones are willing to even meet up with a guy outside their social group.

The girls aren't mentally capable of seeing beyond those groups, either.

At community colleges and small, shitty schools it's easier to float between groups because there's not that strong wealth factor of a greek system dividing everything. It's more open. The larger schools are very stratified.

Many frat guys struggle mightily with women in the real world, they don't realize most of their 'game' was pre-selection and systematic value in that specific environment. I'm sure that's why most of them wife up a sorostitute they know they can't get that quality as a lone wolf in a new place.

[SteezeySteve]

How the fuck is that daddy's money? Even people with daddy's money appreciate that shit more than trying to leach off them if you seem cool and contribute to them having a good time and feed their ego or whatever need they have.

That's called making friends / soft cantacts for nightlife.


And as far as tobacco goes not everyone wants to spend money on it or consume it when it's not Saturday so you can come In clutch. Same thing with weed some people just wanna hit a fucking blunt cause they're fucked up.
Weed is a big social thing for young people and people just like to smoke together for whatever reason. it's a pretty easy way to maintain and develop soft touch party cantacts. It may be shallow druggy shit but for our purposes here it's useful. Even if your the guy who gets invited to chill on the week day because "oh yeah that guy always has bud hit him up!" youre still in there.

Joining the club lacrosse team. Speaks for itself right there.......worst case scenario you're a training dumby. Bonus is if youre on campus practicing wallball and ground balls you'll run into some girls.

I seriously think that with the right skill set it could be pulled off.

[Bastard Sword]

To be completely honest, I feel like white sorority girls are one of the biggest scams out there. I'm on the West Coast and work in a company that has a ton of people like this (along with their fratboy male equivalents).

I genuinely believe that the only reason anyone is attracted to these women is because of porn. If we're being real, the majority of all porn stars fit the physical profile of the stereotypical hot blonde sorority girl. You've rubbed out probably a couple million orgasms in your life to women who look like this. The only reason we see this type as being attractive is because we've undergone societal-level Pavlovian Conditioning to do so. If you actually spend time around these people, they lose a lot of their charm.

Sorority girls are unilaterally some of the most obnoxious, entitled, irritating women in America (which is saying something). Their entire culture revolves around superficial bull shit and appearances. Just take a look at Scorpion's post. Why would you ever want to deal with people who are that vapid and soulless? Is it really worth validating/putting up with awful human beings just to fulfill a porn star fantasy?

Many of these girls aren't even that hot, a lot of it is just makeup and dress. I've seen sorority girls go from solid 9's with makeup to 4's on the wrong day. Couple that with their general personalities/vibe and I would give them a solid miss. Yeah there are some stunners and I'm sure a few cool genuine girls, but overall it's a toxic culture.

My advice to guys in college is understand the value of money ASAP and work to become self sufficient after graduating. Spend your time learning to code, learning languages, getting good internships, and learning useful skills that will help you out in later life. Go approach by all means, but make sure the majority of your time gets spent doing genuinely useful stuff. I wasted way too much time daygaming and would have spent all of it learning how to code if I could go back again. Seriously, I know there are girls all around you 24/7, but they really shouldn't be your priority at this point in life. Go ahead and spend a quarter or two partying if you want, but make sure that women don't become the biggest priority in your life.

[jeffreyjerpp]

(05-06-2018 11:19 PM)RDF Wrote:  

On another note, I can relate to the desire to specifically bang these type of chicks. I always struggled to get these type of girls in college and frustrated the shit out of me. After graduating, getting out of a toxic relationship, and finding this forum, I was able to bang several (as well as other girls) in a short period of time. In my experience so far, these type of girls are overrated... sex is mediocre, they look much worse without the makeup and expensive dress, and can be pretty high maintenance. Plenty of other awesome girls out there to not only focus on the sorority princess.

This is a point worth emphasizing. The girls, due to breeding and upbringing, do a very good job at being presentable, and not whoring around too much. In that particular sense, they are very good wife material, especially if they bring money to the table.

But there are major drawbacks otherwise:

1) They are generally spoiled.
2) Once clothes and makeup come off, many of them tend only to be average looking.
3) Not very exciting in bed. Usually willing to put out to please their man, but also think that simply laying back/bending over is enough.
4) They are slightly more prone to cry rape than average, if their social status is about to compromised due to whorish behavior or a drunken hookup with a guy they feel is beneath them.

My overall take is that these girls are generally overvalued, unless you intend to get married by age 25 and went to school with them.

[jeffreyjerpp]

(05-07-2018 03:31 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

College is like a mini-Hollywood, its heavily dependent on what status and social group you are a part of.

Are you on the baseball team? Football team? fraternity? stoners?

Your access to certain women depends entirely on what group you're perceived as being a part of. It doesn't matter if you're better looking than guys in her social circle, girls are herd animals and will value your affiliations over everything.

So true. If you are going to college and want to get laid, getting into a top frat is CRUCIAL. It will make your life a million times easier. You will be exempt from many typical #metoo rules that increasingly affect college campuses, since women will do anything to stay in the good graces of top frat guys.

I was in a second tier frat in college. The amount of power and status you have in the environment, where everyone is drinking and partying, makes getting laid astoundingly easy. I remember drinking and dancing with girls, and suggesting we head upstairs to my room. Within minutes they were naked, and either having sex with me or sucking my dick.

[a beer is enough]

I feel like these sorts of posts in regards to gaming these sorts of girls tends to bring out sour grapes and less than flattering memories from guys, I've experienced it myself because I definitely wasn't the big man on campus. For a lot of the late bloomers asking these sorts of questions, it hits a bit too close to home.

First of all, while it is true that frat guys are generally protective of their status and especially their crew, for the right guy exceptions are made. If you are a cool guy and tend to be the kind of person who is likable, they will let you occasionally tag alone. The one thing I've preached about this topic is be creative when going about game here. Maybe get that bartending job, get involved in that campus organization that is popular or do something rather than sitting around fantasizing about it all. I have seen sorority girls invite GDIs to formals and these were girls in top sororities, they are people too and for the right guy they will make exceptions.

Secondly, no need to hate on this crowd, I've been there myself and it can suck to be there.

I used to be jealous of the rich frat guys who were given the ideal upbringing and had the most enjoyable college experience, it can be a tough pill to swallow. At the same time though, growth as a man is showing that humility and not letting that hate get the better of you. I can promise you that you will not succeed with sorority girls or even making friends with frat guys if you walk in with the sour grapes mindset, it is very self-defeating.

Finally, life is unfair, some guys get it all while others don't get anything.

Guys in these top tier frats usually have the best grades, get into the grad schools they wanted and get the best jobs too. Along the way, they party and do fun stuff in college. One of my friends was a fraternity president for a top tier frat, bartended at the most fun bar in town and got a nice job in business afterwards. I used to be jealous but appreciate that opportunity and do the best with with you have.

As for sorority girls, I think foreign girls are more attractive than American women although some will disagree but no doubt some schools and certain sororities are loaded with talent! I have met more than enough sorority girls that were good looking and didn't fit the party whore stereotype at all, amazing women.

For all the guys reading this, get out there and get creative when it comes to getting hot girls, some of those hot girls might end up being sorority girls or girls who were in sororities.

[Bastard Sword]

^I think it's a bit of both. I'll candidly admit that I was pretty salty about having to work that much harder to get laid in college than some of the frat guys. Even at my best, I had to approach maybe twenty or thirty girls before getting anywhere with one -- my buddies in frats had to do little more than show up to a party and string a sentence together. I still did fine for myself but it was definitely annoying to see guys get my results with a fraction of the effort. Thing is, though, I also realized that what they were getting wasn't necessarily worth getting jealous over. Yeah, plenty of these girls looked good in their Instagram pictures, but dealing with them also had a host of other problems that I didn't really need to face. Tons of money spent on dues, alcoholism, living in filth, dealing with superficial/degenerate people -- it's not like my friends in frats had a seamless college experience at all, plenty disassociated themselves from that whole scene for the reasons I just listed.

All I would tell a younger guy is that this scene is an illusion, it ends quickly, and it is nothing like real life. This message is targeted more at college guys salty that they can't get into that scene. I'm sure Greek Life can be a great experience, but fundamentally, partying, girls, and popularity are terrible things to base your happiness off of. This is coming from a GDI who did fairly well in college -- I would trade 90% of the girls I hooked up with to be making more money right now or to be in better shape/better at Jiu Jitsu. My point is guys shouldn't stress if they can't break into this scene and that there's a lot more to life than college hedonism.

Also saw a poster recommend joining a top frat -- if we're being real the culture of some high tier frats is not going to be for everyone. Go rush and try it out, but part of life is also acknowledging which scenes you yourself are actually going to enjoy and prosper in. I had buddies who joined these frats and dropped because of how little they resonated with the culture. I don't chew tobacco, I don't care for shitty pop music, I don't follow sports, I don't even really like drinking or smoking that much, and I grew up in a heavily immigrant area. There were guys from my hometown who joined top tier frats and enjoyed them, I personally feel like I would not have. Just things to consider.

[DonnyGately]

If you live in/near a big city and have Game and recognized socio-economic markers, they are no harder than any other hot 21 yr olds. Some girls like older guys, no matter how many people say 'that never happens,' and some obviously don't.

Maybe in East Bumblefuck State U it's different because you have to go on-campus or live across the street to have access and everyone can see you. Not the case in places like Miami, NYC, etc.