[Mikestar]

A month ago my friend introduced me to two girls from Turkey, both 7's. They are in the UK for half a year as they are studying English. I met them with my friend and we showed them around town as it was their first time in the country, played pool and convinced them to stay at my friends place.

Despite having a decent interaction with the girl I was focusing on by using plenty of kino and jokes, when we got home, poured some wine and put on netflix nothing happened and it was awkward. Then the girls whispered to each other indirectly that they do not want to sleep with us and slept on the couch. I will be honest and say that my game was weaker than usual here because there was no escalation or isolation.

However now there is a big music event coming up next week and both of these girls want to visit my city. They really want to come to see us and say that we are likewise always welcome to visit them. The thing is I don't want the same thing as last time to happen, I want the girl to sleep in my bed this time. They want to come for one day and it is a 5 hour bus from where they live. How should I play this, is it possible that this time after drinks, concert and isolation this girl will sleep with me or will she most likely friendzone me again? The girls are definitely sleeping at our dorms but I would feel really stupid if she came all that way and then acted as we are friends.

[kinjutsu]

A few things...

While it is possible to get out of the friendzone with a girl, this situation is not about being in the friendzone. You and your friend fucked up and got rejected and now the girls wanna use you for attention/tour guides etc.
If you are to have any chance at fucking either of these girls you have to separate them. This why it's important to have a solid wing man to occupy the friend of your target, because the friend will cockblock you if she also isn't have a "fun time". Probably something close to this happened when they were over. You and your friend didn't do a good enough job separating these girls and you both got no pussy that night.

If you find yourself friend zoned by a girl, go no contact asap. The more you keep on trying the more likely you are ruining your chances to salvage it in the future.
You're next move should be to fix/correct whatever weakness in your presentation and game there may be.

For example, the girl could like the gym meat head look and you look like the IT guy at her work. There's not a lot you can do in the short term to get her in bed, but going to the gym and getting buff as well as making your game sharper can do wonders.
Verbal game and overall slickness can potentially over a significant disparity in certain situation but it's best to have all areas at their highest possible level in order to stack the deck in your favor.

[joost]

My opinion is that you already fucked your chances. Treat them as friends and enjoy their company without expecting sex. Being in a company of girls is good to attract more... girls.

Play it cool. Go to that music event. Use those girls as bait to get other girls. If they see you might get pussy somewhere else, they might change their opinion of you.

[Plexiglass]

I completely agree with Joost. Go to the concert with the girls, have fun and flirt with/go after other girls. You can even ask those two girls to wing you and your buddy. Though beware, those girls (the friends) may get jealous ;-)

[Mikestar]

Alright this sounds good. The thing is this girl is dtf and I know it because she told me she is using tinder. Her life where she lives in England is boring so if she comes to my city and show her a bomb time it might work. I have 1 bed and 1 couch in a shared area, I guess I could always say: you will disturb the guests so you can't sleep on the couch or something.

I know it seems like I messed up but i'll do like you guys say,

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-05-2018 06:29 AM)joost Wrote:  

My opinion is that you already fucked your chances. Treat them as friends and enjoy their company without expecting sex. Being in a company of girls is good to attract more... girls.

Play it cool. Go to that music event. Use those girls as bait to get other girls. If they see you might get pussy somewhere else, they might change their opinion of you.

Ay - you fucked it up one month ago. I would not even say that you are fully in the friend-zone. You got nowhere.

It's unlikely that you will be able to make such a highly different impression after one month that her pussy will be all wet for you.

What did you do in the last month? Get ripped to 7% bodyfat, approached 1000 girls, fucked 20, got a tremendous boost in charisma? My guess not much changed.

Friendzone may not be forever, but something would have to change to get out of the friendzone - and even that is no guarantee. You can become literally James Bond and have a harem of girls in rotation, but a preconceived notion of a girl of you may not change. The best way to get out of it is to slay/seduce other hot girls in front of her. That may change their views of you.

Otherwise father time works on your behalf. But be careful - there is the Beta Blue Pill father time who simply ages the girls and they come back to the friendzoned guys for marriage 10 years later. I would not even say that this is leaving the friendzone - you become the firendzoned husband with marginal benefits.

I agree with the others - enjoy the time together, the more relaxed you are the beter. Try to be the most Alpha guy with Game you can be - and hit on every hot girl you see, flirt with other girls. That is your last ditch chance. Don't make it too awkward for the girl by hitting on her more directly this time. This will likely ruin the trip and your future chances - it will unlikely go any better.

[PapayaTapper]

Who brought up the music event? You or them?

What type / frequency of contact has been maintained since they were last physically present?

[Mikestar]

Zelcorpion - I completely agree. Yeah not much has changed in a month but im approaching more, going to gym and boxing more frequently, generally becoming a higher value man. I don't really care about time because after June I will probably never seen them again, maybe late next year at best if I were to come to Turkey, they invited me to their beach house.

It's not like I desperately need these girls to come, it would be just an awesome time to spend the next weekend partying with hot Turkish chicks and banging them.

PT - me and my wingman actually brought up the music event when we met them, so they knew a while back. I have only texted her once after that, she thanked me for the nice time and sent me photos we took.

Who knows they might change their mind and say that will not come anymore, all I know is I am not coming to their city because that would be a waste of time even though they are insisting.

[PapayaTapper]

^ If the come then as Kinjustu says the key is you gotta be able to isolate adn you are at the mercy of your wing's ability to entertain the friend ( and he to yours) .Any chance "yours" would come by herself?

[Zerdame]

(05-05-2018 08:31 AM)Mikestar Wrote:  

Alright this sounds good. The thing is this girl is dtf and I know it because she told me she is using tinder. Her life where she lives in England is boring so if she comes to my city and show her a bomb time it might work. I have 1 bed and 1 couch in a shared area, I guess I could always say: you will disturb the guests so you can't sleep on the couch or something.

I know it seems like I messed up but i'll do like you guys say,

All the better that you know she's looking for dick on the side lines. When you fail to fuck a girl and be relegated to one of her beta orbiters, they HATE it when their beta orbiters goes for another girl! Its like a personal insult to them that you go for someone else. Bring them to the concert but go talk and flirt with other girls. Only come back to your table to catch a drink or even better, bring other girls back and introduce them to the friends. When your new girls ask whats your relationships with the friends, say "haha we're friends, they were bored in the countryside so they came up to the city to look for us, 5 hours drive!" and then proceed to ignore them again.

You will be redeemed as a man with options and its her loss for not recognizing it the first time around. Number close or insta date as many other birds as you can but get ready for completely different experience from the first when you go invite the friends for an "afterparty at my place."

[realologist]

Officially put them in your friend zone. Go to the music festival give them a big hug and say "what's up bud" or something else to make it clear you're not trying to bang.

Use your friendship with them to bang some of their friends. They are more likely to want to bang you after seeing you run through a couple of their friends. If not, oh well you have friends that get you bangs especially if they are cool to hang with.

[Mikestar]

This is all gold, however these girls have not responded so they are 95% not coming to this music event. If something like this happens again I'll know exactly what to do. I'm just going to game chicks at this festival as normal and enjoy it.