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Passive Income Questions
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Passive Income Questions

This is somewhat of a broad topic if anything. I recently graduated college and haven't really been enjoying the work world as much as they talked it up to be all of our lives. Not surprised about that though. Can't see myself working up this way in life or enjoying it long term for that matter. I assume many of the other people on this forum feel the same way in some way or another. In the long run I hope to devote myself to something I can enjoy doing long term. Obviously getting rich isn't necessarily the way to do so, but its an idea.

I looked into some ways of making a passive income or alternative ways to make money. Most of what I found online is either along the lines of some sort of entrepreneurship by selling things online (amazon, ebay, etc.), or through small business. Then things like cryptocurrency or investing.

A lot of the people who speak of entrepreneurship online usually tell you to save money and invest it into a booming industry or an industry that is about to boom. Hence the whole crypto trend going on lately. When it comes to selling an original product, it seems that you have to get lucky more or less, or you'll end up just wasting your time and money.


Here is a rough idea of what I think would have the best financial return based on what I have read thus far (take it with a grain of salt though, as I am nowhere near an expert on these types of things):

1. Making the Money

Obviously you are going to have to make a decent amount of money before you start investing it into things that will give you a high return. Here is what I found so far if you don't already have a fair amount of money saved up.

In instances which aren't as talked about online as much, I found that if you work in a job which people tend to stay away from, due to it being hard labor, you can make within triple figures yearly.

One job in particular is working on an oil rig. Though due to the harsh nature of the job, the employer is required to give you a certain amount of time off. Some sources say that you only work for 6 months out of the year, while others say that the employer makes you work every other week, or two weeks on with one to three weeks off. This job is prone to give you major injuries too. Of these injuries, about 25 out of 100,000 workers die annually when working on an oil rig.

With that said, if you were to work around two years or so in an oil rig, you could then theoretically invest the money into one of the said 'booming industries', and have higher returns than you would have previously on a regular salary. The average oil rig worker makes just under $100,000 a year. Seems like a good job in itself if you do not mind the hard work, especially considering you also get a fair amount of time off. You could potentially rinse and repeat this job yearly if you are up for it without having to invest any money and still live more than comfortably (if thats what you're looking to do). However, that is assuming you could continue to work in such a field for that long of a time, as it would likely take a toll on your body if you go into it halfheartedly or end up overexerting or injuring yourself.

In the long term, you'd probably want to invest the money into a 'booming industry' if you don't want to kill your body over time.

The other obstacle is figuring out what one of these booming industries are. Considering there seems to be a lot of misinformation online about which ones you should and should not invest into.

2. Bar/nightclub:

If one can save around $100,000, I found that one industry that seems to be worth looking into is starting up a bar or a club. According to the internet, starting up a small bar can cost around $20,000 if you are to open up in a small town. If you are to open up a sports bar, it will roughly cost around $100,000 (more than a year of your salary working on an oil rig when you consider taxes). If you were to open up a club, it can cost between $500,000 - $1 million. I assume these numbers are not exact, as I doubt the writers of the sources I found owned a bar/club themselves. Something else you would have to consider is competition of course. Maybe your bar would get shut down because of a better one a town over or something.

The average bar makes about $25,000-$30,000 a week. The average nightclub makes between $5000-$10,000 a night. After you consider the costs of paying employees, taxes, and purchasing the alcohol/food, you would still be making more than a decent living.

2.5. Casino

If you choose to go down the route of opening up a bar/club, and your business is successful, you could then potentially open up a casino. The average casino costs around $500,000 - $1 million to open, and about $50,000 a month in payments. You'd be making around $500,000-$600,000 a night if the business is doing successful. This is assuming you open up in an area that is not Las Vegas or Atlantic City though, as it costs more to start your businesses in already established casino hubs. So look for populated but cheap areas in other words.

3. Hotels and Real Estate

Last idea is to invest the money into real estate within third world countries and open up apartments geared towards the higher class people of these countries, or open up a hotel/resort geared towards other people from the 1st world by marketing it as some sort of "exotic vacation". I haven't looked into this idea as much, but from what I have read, it seems to generally work if you know what you are doing. A thing to consider is international laws, morality, etc. of course. It's not exactly the most moral thing to have third worlders working for slave labor. If one were to get into this, it would probably be best for your own sanity and publicity that you don't make people's lives hell or treat/pay them unreasonably.

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Something else I've been reading about is low cost living alternatives. This type of thing is more popular with the hippy types on the internet. Theoretically, if you were to make 'x' amount of money within a certain amount of time, you could live minimalist and be self sustaining without working a 9-5 job for the most part. Many of these types go off the grid after buying property in the middle of the desert or the mountains. Others will do something like buy an RV or small house and only work for a portion of the year, and become NEETs until their money runs out. Not the most ideal way of living, especially if you want to practice game or build yourself up as a person, but there are plenty of people who are satisfied doing it.

When it comes to passive income, you would only need to make enough to meet your goals, not necessarily become rich. Maybe those goals are practicing game (bar money, travel money, etc.). Maybe something else like mastering a skill set of some sort. After typing this all out, I think I've been overthinking about such things lately. Perhaps the best thing to do in life is to find some sort of direction/purpose more than anything, making money secondary. The current work or educational world doesn't teach these things, but rather get you stuck in a loop.

Either way, what are your perspectives/experiences on passive income, etc.? What do you guys generally do to sustain yourself without being miserable?
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Passive Income Questions

You aren't opening a casino in the first world on $500,000 to $1,000,000. The business also isn't going to pay you nightly what you spent to start it. If it was, everyone would be doing it. In the 2nd and 3rd world where perhaps this is possible though I have no idea you have other serious bureaucracy issues and things like bribes / local criminal groups to deal with. As a foreigner and not a particularly rich one this is exceptionally difficult. (This may be different if for example your background or family lives in one of these countries. Perhaps you can navigate the waters efficiently then)

"With that said, if you were to work around two years or so in an oil rig, you could then theoretically invest the money into one of the said 'booming industries', and have higher returns than you would have previously on a regular salary. The average oil rig worker makes just under $100,000 a year. " - Highly improbable. If you saved even lets say $100,000 considering you are probably paying $60,000 in taxes and would then live on $20,000 a year again which is unlikely. What the hell are you gonna invest and get a 40+% return on? Theres such a thing as investing and theres such a thing as gambling at low odds. What you would be doing to obtain such a return is in the complete gambling territory. Want a 40% return throw everything on some random hot tech stock. Just don't be upset when your $100,000 is worth half what it was a year or two later because a necessary approval wasn't given. With that said I do think the oil rigs is a great option for someone who wants to be able to have a nice life when off the rig but I'm sure it requires a lot of discipline and ability to go through long tough times with significant boredom without getting depressed or falling into expensive habits.


Private mortgages might make you 10%. Equities similar amount. But that makes you $10,000 and you won't have a consistent passive income + interest income is taxed differently.

Opening a bar and nightclub are both shitty businesses. Yes I get that a select few make a lot but any business every tom, dick and harry things about owning isn't usually a good business. These are what are termed "Sexy businesses." Sexy usually = not very good. Unsexy businesses are usually where money is to be made. But these businesses require significant time to make money. People don't open businesses one day and make money the next usually its a process where you are probably going to lose money for a period of time...often a year or two.

Also these business ideas you have aren't passive. Passive would be someone with a million dollar portfolio taking out $70,000 a year. All of the businesses you've suggested you better be very active and probably will be working 70 hour weeks.

Why not do something that will allow you to say save what you can live for 3 years in a cheaper country. i.e. $50,000 then try to start some business that gives you freedom.

You have to determine what it is you want in life then determine how the hell you are going to get there. I don't give a flying fuck about flashy cars or luxurious homes. That means my two biggest fix costs are going to be reasonable. If you need one of these your cost of living will probably be much higher.

I think a lot of people on the board who are in perpetual travel are a) living off of savings...for a variety of reasons and time frames be it a sabbatical, sufficient investments to be sustainable, sufficient savings that it should last until a windfall, trying to start a business online, or successfully running a business. Most of the people who are young and all over the globe for years are running some sort of business. The 3 month - 2 year travellers are probably going to be largely guys living off savings / trying to start a business.

I spent a lot when I was in my graduate studies travelling. At that point I knew what I wanted. I wanted to be able to spend my life in a number of countries that were not in the first world. I spent the next period of my life, living very cheap. Not fun but I knew the end would justify the means. During that period I've saved significant amounts of money. I expect by the end of this year I will be done working.

I think you need to figure out what exactly it is you want to do and then figure out a plan to get you there.
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