[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

The facts as laid out by the Daily Mail article, it looks like this was a murder-suicide. The couple had been charged (and plead guilty) to child related abuse in the past. Three of the kids have been found. The other three it appears were not in the car or were washed out to sea.

Sarah and Jennifer Hart were found dead on Monday alongside three of their six adopted children after their their car plunged off a cliff in Westport, California



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ghter.html

[Bacchus]

This is how the TV show "The Fosters" goes in real life.

[Canopus]

I remember reading about this story the day it broke, and the top comment was exactly this fear.

Terrible. Creatures like the "mothers" in this story give the image of everlasting fire an undeniable appeal, but there's little use entertaining it while the state has to search for the bobbing corpses of their children and fish them out of the Pacific.

I notice a lot of people, even the most moderately-minded, always scoff when it's pointed out just how high the rate of domestic violence is among lesbian couples - scorning it as just something a silly virgin alt-right reactionary would bring up to score internet points - and so the issue goes unchallenged, untreated, unresolved. And more children grow up in the shadow of this particular, peculiar species of abuse, while the idiot social-justice types go on braying "love is love."

RIP to the kids. They deserved better, and might have received it, in another time.

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

(04-01-2018 07:40 PM)Canopus Wrote:  

I notice a lot of people, even the most moderately-minded, always scoff when it's pointed out just how high the rate of domestic violence is among lesbian couples - scorning it as just something a silly virgin alt-right reactionary would bring up to score internet points - and so the issue goes unchallenged, untreated, unresolved.

I have been a landlord for just over 20 years. I used to advertise in The Village Voice and as a result, had a number of lesbian tenants. All they do is fight with each other. Many times I was called in to change locks as their relationships went up in violent flames.

[Suits]

Lesbian = mentally ill.

Faggot = sexually fucked up.

[SlickyBoy]

(04-01-2018 08:15 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Lesbian = mentally ill.

Faggot = sexually fucked up.

Lesbian = insufferable cunts.


They are invariably a far cry from the creatures of porn fantasy - damaged beyond belief. Say what you will about Islamic societies, but they don't put up with or encourage that shit the way the west does.

[rpg]

Women hate accountability. Anybody here that has been to jail knows you have to man up, go to the slammer and then lawyer up and fix the problem.
These stupid ass dikes killed 6 kids because they were chicken shit cowards.
Rot in hell.

[Suits]

(04-01-2018 08:42 PM)rpg Wrote:  

Anybody here that has been to jail knows you have to man up, go to the slammer and then lawyer up and fix the problem.

How many times have you been to jail?

[Leonard D Neubache]

These female murder-suicides of kids are the ultimate form of gyno-narcissism. The belief that death is the only way out, but that the kids will be better off dead than to live without their mother.

I suppose these evil cunts in question likely added a political bent, which is to say "these kids are better off dead than being taken off of us and raised by some fucking normies."

The stuff with kids always gets to me the most. Any parent feels that stuff on a far more visceral level. Fear is bad enough when you have a capacity to navigate the context and either find a way out or knuckle down and weather it out. But for kids there is that infinite vulnerability. Their whole world is an act of trust in the people charged with keeping them safe.

A betrayal of that is one of the worst crimes imaginable to me.

[Captainstabbin]

(04-01-2018 08:01 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  

I have been a landlord for just over 20 years. I used to advertise in The Village Voice and as a result, had a number of lesbian tenants. All they do is fight with each other. Many times I was called in to change locks as their relationships went up in violent flames.

I have a dyke cousin. She and her girlfriend are raging alcoholics (plus some other party drugs) and fight constantly. Police get called to their house at least 3 times a year.

Thank God there aren't any kids involved.

(04-01-2018 08:42 PM)rpg Wrote:  

Women hate accountability.

So 2 people in a relationship, both are complete fuck ups and unwilling to accept any blame. No wonder it doesn't work.

[MrLemon]

in ancient times Lesbians were called "witches".

Not by men. By the other (married) women, who are deadly enemies of the witches. Men stayed out of the fight, except to watch with amusement, or when they were forced by their wives to get involved.

The married women would drive witches out of town, shun them, or in extreme cases, instruct their husbands, the men of the village, to kill them.

There was a very simple reason for this: witches are full of hate, they can and do kill children (mental disease) and they can and do delude young women and "convert" them to witchcraft (lesbian and Feminist philosophy).

Any village or tribe that allowed a lot of this kind of thinking, would inevitably end up collapsing, men and women at war with each other, and as a result, everybody in the village starved or were overrun and killed by some other aggressive tribe.

To accept lesbianism/feminism in the old days meant death for everyone. Death by starvation, disease, or enslavement.

Married women knew this all too well. That is why, when the inevitable 10-20% of women in the village rejected normal life and turned to lesbianism/feminism, these women were instantly driven out of town or killed. Or the lesbians learned to shut up and toe the line, in which case they were allowed to stay as midwives, prostitutes, or schoolmarms.

But for the angry lesbians/feminists..no mercy. The danger to society was just too extreme.

Homosexual men didn't really present the same risk. Men are perfectly capable of living alone ("bachelor uncles") still hunting with the tribe, still fighting in war. Men are quite easygoing as bachelors. 10-20% of men were criminals and rapists, but that actually wasn't closely associated with homosexuality, it was just the normal criminal element.

Now fast forward to today's society. We no longer have that danger of starvation that people used to face. We no longer have the same terrible consequences when lesbianism/feminists spread their poison into the ears of young girls. Married women have been seduced and dumbed down from their roles as the overseers of the village.

The witches are, for the first time, winning. Now, for the first time in history, we are seeing what an entire society looks like, on a worldwide scale, when it is conquered by Witches.

Will married women finally stand up and fight back against the witches, their ancient enemies?

If not, how will the Witchocracy progress? What kind of evil will our society finally succumb to? We can see the outlines now, and if it continues, then yes, it will be Biblical or Medieval in scope.

Welcome to the Witchocracy. Going to be an interesting next few decades

[Abelard Lindsey]

These people lived in Woodland, which is about 10 miles from where I live, Vancouver Washington.

The first question I had was how they were able to afford a $400K home. I know the banks are giving out low interest rate mortgages. But there's no way these people could have afforded such a home. Secondly, I have not heard either from the news or anyone locally what either or both of these women did for a job. Perhaps they made their money from criminal activity (drug dealing??). Some employer in my area should know either of these two women. That they do not suggests they were either self-employed or criminals. Self-employed where no one locally has done business with them suggests something internet related. Yet, no internet presence has been found. Thus, it is likely they were involved in criminal activity of some sort.

A "Thelma & Louis" exit is probable since they were clearly on the run from CPS, and perhaps law enforcement for other reasons.

8 people in a truck like that does not make sense. You cannot get 8 people in the passenger compartment of that kind of truck. Some of the kids had to be riding in the back, which would have attracted attention from highway patrol cops and other drivers. Normally kids do not ride in the back of pickups, especially last weekend which was cold and rainy. Perhaps three of those kids were murdered prior to them leaving. Law enforcement should start searching the home and digging around the property in Woodland.

[Cr33pin]

One of the deceased kids was this guy....


This sickens me to my soul. I don't get emotionally caught up in much.. with the exception being monstrosities against children. I'm not sure exactly where I stand on religion but I hope there is a heaven an these kids are there... an I hope there is a hell worse then anything we could possibly imagine an these two cowardly bitches are there.

[SlickyBoy]

Interesting theory about witchcraft in the olden days - any cites/links for that? I don't doubt it, just genuinely curious.

As for what the family did to get into a 400k house we don't know anything about divorce settlements, alimony, child support, etc. that could have made their financial picture just acceptable enough to qualify for a housing loan. They may have found a HUD property, who knows. There is also the possibility of seller financing, which given the political bent of the area they would have an advantage given their "progressive" family structure.

The news reports confirm the vehicle software shows no braking and no driving on an incline, meaning the vehicle went straight off the cliff without even slowing down. The accelerator was floored.


They'd only been in their house about ten months before a neighbor called child protective services - the kids weren't even being fed, apparently - but that shouldn't matter to their defenders:

Quote:

"Jen and Sarah really were the kind of parents that I think the world desperately needs," friend Zippy Lomax told KOIN.

Given who Zippy is, it really means those are the kinds of parents her spinster-feminist world desperately needs, to convince her she's right no matter how many kids are dead.

While her facebook account is still up, you can see by the comments on the cover photo all of Jennifer Hart's shitlib friends bending over backwards praising their "family" which in the end consisted of little more than props for two leftist nut jobs to virtue signal to the world.

One of her friends posted this self-serving pity fest (public comment, from her FB cover photo) written by one of the responsible parents:

Quote:

... ?Here’s an ominous message that Jen Hart wrote on her fb page last summer...after their ‘Hug Seen Around The World’ notoriety and challenges. This is a glimpse of their experience...

“I unplugged from Facebook for over half of this year. I've had to change my/our phone number(s) twice. I've steered clear of public settings for the most part. Rather than answering the floods of messages like: Where have you been? Why haven't you responded to my texts? Etc - I'll try and address SOME of the things that led to the disconnect.

This. Year. Slammed. Us. Hard. It was as if we were continuously seeing this "Proceed No Further" sign showing up in a myriad of ways.

Extremely simplified explanation:
Loss of a friend
Loss of 5 animals (2 in the last month) (....animals...listed ahead of cancer.)
Serious stalking and threats of violence towards me and my family (police reports-?)
Robbed/vandalism (ditto.... police reports?)
Cancer (if true, I'd expect this to be leveraged even more for whatever it's worth)
3 job transfers(Sarah)
Several other very challenging medical diagnosis (mental, perhaps? SSRI medication use? Toxicology results should be interesting.)
Surgery

Sarah: rear ended in a car accident. Totaled
Discrimination from the government & insurance companies - which nearly led to homelessness weeks before closing on our home. Yeah. This is still a thing that happens. Thanks to my wife for being a badass superhero along side of me to combat this bs. (details? This kind of thing can be a lucrative lawsuit path, so what happened?)

*All of this while home hunting non stop for over a year.

*All of this during an already very terrifying time in this country (and Portland...holy shit) (There it is - blaming Trump!)

*All of this while trying to be supportive and loving wife whilst raising 6 teenagers.

So, where have I(we) been?
SELF CARE, y'all. I've been taking care of myself and my family. Our safety, emotional and physical health are always the absolute most important things. Period. Releasing the expectations to show up here or elsewhere was vital in my own healing. I am no service to others if my tank is empty. (or if your pickup is at the bottom of a cliff full of dead kids, but I digress.)

What do we need? What we need is loving understanding that there is a lot going on, and that we are working on putting our lives back together now that we've finally purchased our new home/land. Time. Trust building. Time. Trust building. TIME. We've been fighting the good fight always - just a little more behind the scenes than usual.

What we don't need:
-pity or sorrow for these struggles
-guilt trips for not meeting your expectations (instead, please take our guilt trips!)
-pressure of any kind. (like CPS officers. Just go away, please!)

We've embarked on an incredible new journey up on some beautiful land in Washington. After over 4 1/2 years in the PNW, we finally feel at HOME. We're looking forward to sharing it with everyone... when the time is right.

Big?Love

Oh - and if you still have our old phone numbers, please don't text or call them anymore...unless you like really colorful language from strangers.?”

- Jen Hart, June 2017

The amount of megalomania in that letter defies description. - seriously, a few animals die and you forget to feed your kids? Most people think of events like this as - LIFE, which sometimes sucks.

Not to worry - they still have plenty of allies willing to spin things even more:

Quote:

A Letter to the Media and the World at Large-

The world as I knew it changed on Monday with the discovery that my friend, Jen Hart, her wife Sarah, and their six children passed away (you mean murdered, right) after their vehicle drove off a cliff in Californa. My heart broke, and I couldn't believe that this had happened. In the days since then, I feel like the world has continued to crumble as a result of media speculation, rumors, and unsubstantiated claims. The inaccuracies of the reports I'm reading are breaking me. This is not the Jen I know; not the family the world knows.

Opening up their personal lives to public scrutiny is degrading. But if we are going to do that, then let's really look. Fact: Child Protective Services was called. An investigation was not conducted, so I have no evidence there to look at. So, what do I know? Quite a bit.

I know that Jen and Sarah Hart adopted six children, two sets of three siblings, from uncommonly bad situations. Their problems ran the gamut. They'd seen violence, been abused, been starved and neglected. Some were born addicted to drugs. Their food insecurities before adoption lead to food hoarding and stealing issues. That's what happens when you don't know if you will be fed again. These kids faced unimaginable traumas. (....and since the adoption, their situation improved exactly how-?)

Jen and Sarah were overjoyed to adopt these children, but it was not a smooth transition. These kids had lost faith in people and had no ability to trust. They were developmentally behind, socially behind, and unable to manage behaviors. (...kids are more work than pets - who knew?) They were on medications for several medical diagnoses and weren't receiving proper care. Jen and Sarah accepted all of that and took on the struggles of forming a safe and loving family. It was not easy, and they had their lows. Reports keep bringing up a 2011 incident where CPS was notified. Sarah admitted her anger had gone too far. She accepted responsibility. Was she a perfect parent? No. Have you ever gone too far? Let your anger get out of control? I have. It's ugly to admit, but it is the truth. (Sure, because so many people in my neighborhood get arrested for physically abusing their kids to the point of visible injury I've lost count. Happens all the time; no big deal - you ever raise kids? Really...)

Recently, there have been new allegations from neighbors. Allegations that weren't able to be researched, allegations that even if are true still make sense for children who were born into traumatic/food insecure situations, and allegations that contradict everything I have ever known about this family. (The food trauma should not continue after adoption by parents ostensibly able to provide a few Wheaties now and then. Or was Whole Foods all out of organic barley malt that week?)There are also claims that they never went outside even when it was nice, giving more cause for me to question the claims of neighbors as this family valued the outdoors and travel in ways that no other family I know does. On one of their adventures, my family was lucky enough to have Jen, and the six kids stay with us. These kids were happy, silly, kind and loving. (uh huh. And now they're dead.)

The media and the speculations are breaking my heart. These are the things you've dug up and chosen to report. In your digging, did you find a couple who ordered pizzas for friends across the country when the wife broke both of her legs? (She did. That was me.) Did you find mothers who were desperate to give their kids every opportunity to learn and educate themselves on music, art, home improvement, cooking, history, science, government, literature, culture, and anything else they had an interest in? Did you find a family who was desperate to show love and compassion to EVERYONE regardless of race, religion, or sexual orientation? Did you find that they lived and preached nonviolent ways to change the evils of the world? Did you find a family who had a strong love for animals and the earth?

Did you find a lesbian couple raising six black children who were often scrutinized for their nontraditional family? Did you find two mothers who moved their family a few times to shield them from media and community members who threatened them or caused their children to question if their nontraditional family was wrong? Did you find some imperfect parents that made a good scandalous story? Because you started printing your stories before you even knew the relationships between Jen, Sarah, and the kids. You started speculating about the horrendous things that could be before you attempted to look at both sides. This family loved out loud, and you can easily find stories of that, but none of them are plastered across the internet.

(now that you mention it, I found an assortment of adopted kids taking the place of pets, used as virtue signaling props when convenient for the self absorbed mental cases calling themselves mothers who couldn't even take care of themselves properly, let alone multiple children. And recently I found reports of a few bodies in a crushed pickup truck at the bottom of a cliff - they're still looking for the rest of them. Will let you know what they find. )

My Jen is a kind, compassionate, strong, loving woman who did everything to be genuinely herself, even when that meant taking the road less traveled. She was a lesbian from a small town in South Dakota. She and her wife had a loving, long-term marriage. (Two decades isn't easy for anyone these days!) As a gay couple, they adopted. They adopted older kids... groups of siblings, so they didn't have to be separated... children that were black and therefore didn't look like them... children who came from really rough backgrounds. They never made a choice because it was easy. They made it because it was right. (Your Jen is a dead child murderer.)

This family was amazing. This couple was the example of marriage and parenting that I looked to and wanted to emulate. Were they perfect? Absolutely not. And maybe there is more to this than I know. But the media and the neighbors who are being interviewed are presenting a very dark picture of a family that brought so much compassion and happiness to this world. They are looking for a story and looking for the worst because that is what gets readers. (It's dark because murder cases aren't exactly sunshine and rainbows.)

Unsubstantiated, out of context, claims are creating a story that doesn't deserve to exist. I know that I am not a news outlet; that I am just one person. But I can't keep reading all of these things and not stand up for Jen. She stood up for everyone. If the last thing I can ever do for her is to write this, then I will do it gladly even if the only one who ever reads it all the way through is me. (Your stupidity, vanity and abject self righteousness will be memorialized forever on the Internet.)

Jen, I love you. I promise to love unconditionally, even those who don't deserve it. I will be thankful for the right that I have to use my voice. And I will appreciate the differences in race, religion, culture, art, and humanity. Your mark was made on this earth long ago. No worries my friend; we will remember and keep it going.

Sincerely,
Jammie Hermans Gaffer

Did anyone else count how many times she referred to herself in that passage? The political message is more important than the dead kids.

Shades of Parkland going on here. Question is - which high school kids are organizing the march this time, and against who?

Chevrolet! Because pickup trucks are misogyny!

[Abelard Lindsey]

Realize that all of the "friends" (mostly from facebook) that are speaking up for this couple are wacko liberals as well which, of course, is why they are friends.

[Barron]

[MrLemon]

(04-01-2018 09:24 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

These female murder-suicides of kids are the ultimate form of gyno-narcissism. The belief that death is the only way out, but that the kids will be better off dead than to live without their mother.

I suppose these evil cunts in question likely added a political bent, which is to say "these kids are better off dead than being taken off of us and raised by some fucking normies."

The stuff with kids always gets to me the most. Any parent feels that stuff on a far more visceral level. Fear is bad enough when you have a capacity to navigate the context and either find a way out or knuckle down and weather it out. But for kids there is that infinite vulnerability. Their whole world is an act of trust in the people charged with keeping them safe.

A betrayal of that is one of the worst crimes imaginable to me.

So well stated. I would disagree however with this: "these kids are better off dead than being taken off of us and raised by some fucking normies."

I don't think the women are thinking this. I think the women are thinking: "Fuck these little fuckers. Let's kill them."

These women are just scum. They aren't victims, they aren't misunderstood, they aren't hurting. They are just childkillers.

In my few years on this planet, I have continuously seen this...that women are downright evil when not tightly controlled. They get "mad" and decide that the entire world must come to an end because their anger is everything. They are indulged in their anger because our entire society is one big system for indulging the whims of shitty, spoiled, tantrum-throwing women

[Scoundrel]

Take the insanity of a single mother, multiply it by two, and you have a lesbian couple.

In fact, you probably have even more than just twice the lunacy, as lesbians are obviously deeply neurotic people to begin with.

Women don't deal well with reality. When you put two disturbed women together as the head of a household, with no male stabilizing force, the craziness just builds and builds as an endless feedback loop.

A sensible male advisor, assessing this family's situation, might suggest: "Acknowledge that you've probably taken on more responsibility — and more children — than you're equipped to handle. Show CPS that you have the kids' best interests at heart; that you are willing to work with them to resolve these matters, and that you will take whatever steps are necessary to improve these kids' lives."

Lunatic Lesbian Solution: KILL EVERYBODY!!!!

[MrLemon]

Here's an article from JudgyBitch.com:

http://judgybitch.com/2018/03/19/one-in-...revisited/

[infowarrior1]

(04-02-2018 02:09 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 09:24 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

These female murder-suicides of kids are the ultimate form of gyno-narcissism. The belief that death is the only way out, but that the kids will be better off dead than to live without their mother.

I suppose these evil cunts in question likely added a political bent, which is to say "these kids are better off dead than being taken off of us and raised by some fucking normies."

The stuff with kids always gets to me the most. Any parent feels that stuff on a far more visceral level. Fear is bad enough when you have a capacity to navigate the context and either find a way out or knuckle down and weather it out. But for kids there is that infinite vulnerability. Their whole world is an act of trust in the people charged with keeping them safe.

A betrayal of that is one of the worst crimes imaginable to me.

So well stated. I would disagree however with this: "these kids are better off dead than being taken off of us and raised by some fucking normies."

I don't think the women are thinking this. I think the women are thinking: "Fuck these little fuckers. Let's kill them."

These women are just scum. They aren't victims, they aren't misunderstood, they aren't hurting. They are just childkillers.

In my few years on this planet, I have continuously seen this...that women are downright evil when not tightly controlled. They get "mad" and decide that the entire world must come to an end because their anger is everything. They are indulged in their anger because our entire society is one big system for indulging the whims of shitty, spoiled, tantrum-throwing women

When people stop tolerating that kind of evil. And put those women six feet under as they deserve through the death penalty handed down by the courts. The situation will improve. Until that happens it will not improve.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-01-2018 08:15 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Lesbian = mentally ill.

Faggot = sexually fucked up.

Both groups have far greater dysfunction and create far worse homes for children:

Lesbians:

+ violence
+ anti-male views
+ crazy feminist views
+ now transgender - huge portion of transgender kids have lesbian parents


Gays:
+ too many sexual partners to create a good environment
+ highly over-represented in terms of sexual abuse of their male children

There are a few other metrics - all of them clearly point to the direction that heterosexual couples are a far better fit for children and those groups should be barred from any adoption. Even letting them keep their own kids in a lesbian marriage is only an option if the real father of the lesbian mother does not want to take care of the kid. Arfitical insemination to them should be illegal.

I would not want to police their relationships - they can do what they want, but just leave children out of it.

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

(04-03-2018 07:27 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Gays:
+ too many sexual partners to create a good environment
+ highly over-represented in terms of sexual abuse of their male children

There are a few other metrics

Also add in high levels of substance abuse (alcohol, hard drugs).

I am a small L libertarian when it comes to homosexuals... I prefer to treat others like I want to be treated: left alone.

However, this gays going out of their way to have kids, via adoption, surrogacy, or sperm donor I draw the line for the reasons you listed above.

[Mr.WHORES]

Lesbianism & Faggotism. Is an uncurable plague on humanity. A monstrosity..pandemic off unfathomable proportions.

[Latinopan]

(04-01-2018 07:40 PM)Canopus Wrote:  

I remember reading about this story the day it broke, and the top comment was exactly this fear.

Terrible. Creatures like the "mothers" in this story give the image of everlasting fire an undeniable appeal, but there's little use entertaining it while the state has to search for the bobbing corpses of their children and fish them out of the Pacific.

I notice a lot of people, even the most moderately-minded, always scoff when it's pointed out just how high the rate of domestic violence is among lesbian couples - scorning it as just something a silly virgin alt-right reactionary would bring up to score internet points - and so the issue goes unchallenged, untreated, unresolved. And more children grow up in the shadow of this particular, peculiar species of abuse, while the idiot social-justice types go on braying "love is love."

RIP to the kids. They deserved better, and might have received it, in another time.

I used to have a job where there were a couples of lesbians, and worst yet, the head of HR was a massive dyke.

There was a particular couple where the lesbian cunt did not even liked when men worled close to her in the hallway. The girl she was dating worked also with us but the girl was attracted to my male friend that worked there too. She confessed to him the only reason she was dating that girl was because she herself did not have money, car or a house but the lesbian cunt did so she was with her for money reasons.

I noticed that pattern, in every lesbian couple there is one in control of the money.

(04-01-2018 08:41 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 08:15 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Lesbian = mentally ill.

Faggot = sexually fucked up.

Lesbian = insufferable cunts.


They are invariably a far cry from the creatures of porn fantasy - damaged beyond belief. Say what you will about Islamic societies, but they don't put up with or encourage that shit the way the west does.

Lesbian porn is made and marketed for men, this is why they must look and act feminine, there is not big market for masculine dyke looking women in lesbian porn.

Look at a production company like NSFW girlfriendsfilms, they don't even have short hair.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-27-2018 10:20 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

Lesbian porn is made and marketed for men, this is why they must look and act feminine, there is not big market for masculine dyke looking women in lesbian porn.

Look at a production company like NSFW girlfriendsfilms, they don't even have short hair.

Since lesbians are 1% of the population that makes sense, but the truth is that most lesbians love feminine-looking pretty girls. Whenever some lesbian hit on a girl I was with I realized that lesbians like the very same kind of women that men do.

They have plenty of ugly butch lesbians among them. And of course it makes sense since beauty perception among our species is hard-wired. You don't become attracted to short-haired butch women - some lesbians are just attracted to masculine domination, but that works even better with a hot woman being dominant.

That is why this one was the main heartthrob of the lesbian world: