[PapayaTapper]

Goddamn this thread is getting morose as a mother fucker up in here. Makes me want to slit my wrists and sit in a warm in bath

Lets turn some frowns upside down, shall we?

OP...On the bright side when one door closes another one opens. In the case of a break up whats behind that next door is...new ASS!

Unwrapping new ass is like Christmas morning. The first time you see those new titties, and the panties come off is like getting a new GI Joe or Transformer. You get to play with them and see what it can do that last years toys couldn't

New ass never gets old

[HankMoody]

(05-25-2018 10:26 AM)nola Wrote:  

@ HankMoody, My dad had a case with a Airline Captain who was accused of DV while he was in another country. He ended up getting detained at the airport upon returning home from his rotation. (not married but had kids with a former ex wife and shared custody)

My dad got him off the DV charges but the ex girlfriend filed rape charges after the DV charges were dismissed. It took my father months to get the bail reduced enough as the guy was in debt and had no other close family to put up bail. Also he had no criminal history, they had changed the bail requirements in this state where the judge had little to no control.

My dad got the false rape charge dismissed because the police actually did a good job on the case in regards to their interviews with the ex-girlfriend or "victim".

Wasn't over yet...

His ex wife then filed for full custody and won in family court later. He rehired my dad to fight that after he lost custody and it took another 2 years with him only allowed to see his kids in the presence of DSS. Because in this state just because you weren't found guilty does not mean you were innocent. Enter victim advocacy bullshit.

The ex wife was able to use dismissed charges from another women to win full custody. WTF

The poor guy lost his career and entire retirement over a girl he dated for less than a year and lived with him less than a few months.

He actually ended up killing himself a few years later. Warning story my dad gave me a long time ago.

I would "like" this post, but that seems inappropriate given how awful that circumstance is.

That's family law in a nutshell -- women make allegations and they have to be taken as true. If a man loses all his money, his career, and his reputation in the interim, so be it. If the woman is lying, nothing happens. "She believed it." "She thought she was doing what's best for the child." "You two need to put your differences aside and move on." That is the attitude of family law judges.

Right now my current client, who has been vindicated of the molestation charges three times, can still only see his daughter under supervised visitation. Even though he's been cleared by both the police and department of human services. It's been almost three years.

He's lucky to still have a job. Thankfully, his superiors know what's going on. His spirits remain high. The only reason he's not broke is because he's one of my close friends... I charge him "whatever."

[astro]

Hank - have you ever heard of or seen these false/made up/exaggerated claims result in perjury or other false reporting types of charges? If you have, what sort of evidence comes in to play? Contradicting testimony?

[Silver_Tube]

I'm in my new place, my vehicles are unloaded. All my worldly possessions are in boxes scattered about the apartment. It was hot as balls outside today and the haul was exhausting, we filled a pickup truck and car to the brim with my shit. There is always more clutter to move than you realize. I fucking hate moving. I've moved so many times these past few years. I'm taking some time to de-clutter my life, then when I get new shit I'm going to make sure it isn't bulky and a pain in the ass to pack up because I know I'll be moving again before long. My clothes are soaked all the way through with sweat. I'm sitting here with a fan to recover. Maybe I will buy that truck some day.

Once my phone has charged back up I will call her parents with the news. I'll try my luck with contacting a couple of her friends as well but I don't have good information to reach them. i just want people lined up to console her after I deliver the breakup.

I have thorough footage of everything I took, before and afters of every room, on camera and witnessed by a friend. I will also get audio on the breakup tonight. These stories about accusations other men went through are awful. I hope none of that happens to me. There are a few lawyers amongst my friends and family and I think I've made the best preparations that I could. Her friends have always been very grateful and complimentary to me, I don't doubt that the story will flip once this breakup happens.

I'm looking forward to new tits, to having my time back, to hanging out with my friends more, to perusing my hobbies, advancing my career. This relationship has been a major drain on my time and attention and it ends tonight. I thought I was redpilled enough to not get into this mess but that is clearly not the case. Nobody's instincts are perfect, I can think of a lot I would have done differently this past year.

I'm out of chill time for now, it is time to call her family. Thank you all so much for your advice, for this and the many other times over the years.

[Montrose]

I love it when a plan comes together

[PapayaTapper]

S_T

You should probably do the break up somewhere in a public place. You may want to do it privately for her sake but you seem at least somewhat concerned about her reactions...trust your instincts. There's less chance of histrionics and I think itd be more prudent.

[Silver_Tube]

I had a successful conversation with her parents, they understand my reasons and respect that I made the effort to call them. We spoke a lot about her mental state and how to best help her. They said they were aware of her mental issues and were surprised that I stuck with her for so long. I didn't think to record that conversation, unfortunately. They are arranging for mom to travel up and be with her after I leave. They asked that I stick around long enough for the mom to get there. If the mom leaves right away then I should only have to wait for about an hour for her to arrive. Mom is reasonable, I don't have any reason to expect that she'll bring some dudes to kick my ass but the thought crossed my mind.

My soon to be ex has been blowing up my phone, it is possible that I was spotted moving or someone let it slip that I'm on my way out, or maybe she just wants to say hello. I haven't answered. As far as she knows I'm busy at work. My boss was really cool about letting me out to do this, he says that he had to make a similar exit from a former wife and his current wife makes him much happier. I'm glad not to be in a marriage situation.

edit: false alarm on the slip, she is unaware of the breakup for now

[AneroidOcean]

(05-25-2018 02:48 PM)Silver_Tube Wrote:  

I had a successful conversation with her parents, they understand my reasons and respect that I made the effort to call them. We spoke a lot about her mental state and how to best help her. They said they were aware of her mental issues and were surprised that I stuck with her for so long. I didn't think to record that conversation, unfortunately. They are arranging for mom to travel up and be with her after I leave. They asked that I stick around long enough for the mom to get there. If the mom leaves right away then I should only have to wait for about an hour for her to arrive. Mom is reasonable, I don't have any reason to expect that she'll bring some dudes to kick my ass but the thought crossed my mind.

My soon to be ex has been blowing up my phone, it is possible that I was spotted moving or someone let it slip that I'm on my way out, or maybe she just wants to say hello. I haven't answered. As far as she knows I'm busy at work. My boss was really cool about letting me out to do this, he says that he had to make a similar exit from a former wife and his current wife makes him much happier. I'm glad not to be in a marriage situation.

edit: false alarm on the slip, she is unaware of the breakup for now

I hope you're bringing a witness to the breakup or doing it in a public place. Seriously.

Congratulations, you're almost out of there. Under NO circumstances tell her where you now live.

[Silver_Tube]

The climax of the evening is nearly here. I’m meeting her at a smoothie shop to deliver the news. I’m here waiting. I don’t feel the nerves anymore, relief is setting in. I can’t whip out the camcorder in the middle of the shop, I have my phone taking audio from my pocket.

We are almost through this. Earlier into the relationship I thought I would marry this girl, I’ve avoided making a huge mistake, though I did waste a year here instead of next ing when i should have.

[DJ-Matt]

(05-25-2018 01:03 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

The only reason he's not broke is because he's one of my close friends... I charge him "whatever."

God bless you Hank!

[PapayaTapper]

All this play by play makes me kinda wish I could be there and watch this go down...is that wrong?

[Silver_Tube]

It is over, I'm back in my new home, exhausted and relieved.

I've never seen so much emotion come out of a person in my life. It was fucking Shakespearean. There wasn't any anger or hostility but there was so much sadness, crying, begging. My God the begging. There was kneeling and crying and everything, at one point she got too wobbly to stand. I've never broken a heart so badly, I've been with more than a few girls. My heart felt things it hadn't since I was a teenager. She wants another chance badly. I tried to remember your advice about soft power. I told her that I need to do this, that I hope she can find a way to turn her life around, that I'm not opposed to hearing updates every once in a while. She said she cant imagine ever being with anyone else and would wait for me as long as it takes. I told her that I don't expect her to do that, that I can't hold my life in suspension for any longer while she tries to get better.

Her parents arrived afterward. I was only expecting mom but dad was there too. They wanted to speak to me back at her place so I went back with them. What happened in there was pretty much an intervention. The dad really backed up my reasons for leaving and drove the points into her bluntly. I didn't need him to do that, we had covered it all at the cafe before they arrived. They are staying with her and are considering getting her some kind of help. They had a lot to say about her past that she never told me about. Apparently the last guy left her for similar reasons, that story of abuse on his part was a fabrication. There is a behavior pattern going back years that was not apparent at the start of the relationship. She was seeing professionals for alcoholism at one point.

I suppose that I can expect a future 're-remembering' of our time together as well. I think the begging and intervention that I recorded gives a better idea for the character of the relationship than any fabrications of hers could. I feel safe there, she didn't attempt to mess with the last guy legally as far as I know. I played back a lot of it to make sure it captured well, I'll make some copies of it all and keep it safe.

My own friends, family and colleagues have been very supportive. It is Friday night but I'm not feeling the energy to party, my body is sore from the haul, emotions are sore too. Tomorrow I reorganize my belongings and figure out my next move as a newly single man. I think the distractions of the relationship have caused me to lose my focus at work. The first thing I want to do is re-energize and shape up my career situation.

The tips you all have laid out for me these past couple pages have really paid off. I can't thank you enough. I think this story is over.

[RDF]

Shit that is a crazy story. You handled it above and beyond how most men would've. I honestly don't know if I would have gone through all of that trouble with talking to her parents and even coming back to the house with them. Hats off to you.

Breaking hearts never gets easier man. I always think it will, having now had multiple years of dating experience, but it really doesn't. It is painful and something that as players, we have to live with. Pain heals with time, however, and I'm pretty sure that it will for her as well.

You deserve an ice cold brew now.

[astro]

These chicks aren’t that easy to get rid of. Best thing to do (from my own experiences) is to go radio silent, 100%. If you keep comms open you’re opening yourself to her trying a variety of tactics. You haven’t hit the phase where she knows there is no reconciliation and she will come at you with a vengeance. Radio silence defeats this, but be prepared for her to go after your friends, your work, anyone who can convey a message to you. You need to explain to them under no circumstance should they engage in conversation with her.

The best thing that can happen will be your radio silence creates an emotional void and she goes out to find another guy. We might see him posting here about her abusive ex (surprise surprise it’s you!!!!) and how they don’t know how to shake a damaged woman like this.

[Gray Beard]

I missed this thread until today, and now it looks like OP solved his problem well: congrats. Reading the original post, I was immediately reminded of a girl I lived with many years ago, a nurse. She had her own room at hospital-supplied lodgings but slept over at my place seven nights a week, even though it was a nasty commute. She had an IUD and I was nutting inside her regularly. One day she claimed her IUD has shifted and her period was late. I said I was not willing to marry her and she responded that she will give birth anyway. I said something like: "In this case, we are through. You go ahead but I will not be there to hold your hand." Next thing I know, she got one of my razor blades in her hand--those were old fashioned blades that she could easily cut herself with--and told me she was going to suicide if I won't marry her. I said: "I am not going to throw my life away to save your life BUT if you abort the baby AND start seeing a therapist regularly, I will stay with you six months." Long story short, she left after 3 months but remained my FWB for about a year. We are no longer FWB but we are on friendly terms to this day. Was it a big sacrifice to offer her six more months? You are entitled to your opinion but those were actually good months that followed. Did I mention that she was probably the most beautiful girl I ever dated, before or after? She was. Did I mention that she was the second girl who swallowed my cum on a regular basis? She was. And it was not common there and then. Furthermore, the first girl who swallowed my cum was a slut who had scars on her wrists when we met--she told me she attempted suicide because of her dad treating her as a slut, but in retrospect perhaps he had a role in her becoming one. She committed suicide a few years later, aged 25. Although she was never my regular GF--just an occasional fuck buddy--and I had not seen her in the last two years of her life, her case was heavily on my mind during the drama with the nurse. But there was no way I was going to marry her even though she might have been pregnant. In other words, I was not bluffing. Needless to say, almost, I am very happy she did not actually do it. Anyway, looks like OP dodged a bullet, and, again, congrats to him and good luck with any aftershocks.

[PapayaTapper]

OP

You handled that whole thing about as well as possible. You planned strategically , tactically executed your plan beautifully and yet remained compassionate and considerate of her as a human being.

+1 from me

The updates were a testament to the real life value of the RVF community

[HankMoody]

No.

Most civil cases are fairly straight forward. For instance, general contractor didn't pay suncontractor. Sub sues. General claims work wasn't done correctly. That all comes down to the contract and evidence. The facts are what they are. Either the general had a right to withhold payment under the circumstances, or it didn't.

Big corporations train their employees how to testify. "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'd have to look into that." "You would have to ask someone from a different department." "I'd have to look at my file." (which it turns out doesn't exist because it's all verbal)

However, in family law, I have seen women blatently fabricate evidence. "He hit me." "He molested our child." "He is an abusive monster." All completely made up and usually said while cheating with another man and demanding money. False allegations are usually made when a man wants more custodial time with his child.

From there, the man is investigated by DHS and often their job. The court then only allows supervised visitation -- or none at all. Allegations are assumed to be true until proven "unfounded." (at which point, the woman claims the investigation wasn't thorough enough). This can go on for years, too. My one client has not had an unsupervised with his daughter since 2015, even though every allegation against him was found to be false.

When proven to be false? The judges do nothing. Zilch. They don't want to be on CNN for "not believing a woman.". They say "you two need to work it out" and "she felt scared." From there they do nothing. If one kid gets hurt that judge is all over the news, so they err on the side of "caution." Meaning women can abuse the court system without penalty.

So, to answer your question, I have never seen anyone charged for perjury.

This is why I normally stick to construction and real estate law.

[Jetset]

(05-25-2018 09:18 PM)Silver_Tube Wrote:  

They had a lot to say about her past that she never told me about. Apparently the last guy left her for similar reasons, that story of abuse on his part was a fabrication. There is a behavior pattern going back years that was not apparent at the start of the relationship.

From my original reply:

Quote:

3) You feel bad about the "abuse" she "endured". It's a coin-toss whether it was actually bad or if she's just remembering it that way. If she's a nightmare for you, she was probably a nightmare for him.

That one was visible from space.

Don't ever let her make you feel bad about how you handled this.
You were a saint, and her father coming down is a major red flag that he knows what's up and isn't fooled by his little girl anymore. You were even considerate to her about her begging for time, more than I was.

When mine played that card a while after the breakup I told her straight-up we could hang out but would need to use condoms because it's no longer any of her business where my dick has been. She pitched a little fit about respecting herself, which was laughable because I knew too much by that point.

A week later, she came by all sad and said her (male) therapist explained that I was just trying to "be there for her" and she was sorry for the way she acted about it. Therapist being a good wingman, laying down suppressing fire on her getting demoted to plate. LOL. She deepthroated like a garbage disposal and then I had to get rid of her because I had a date.

Enjoy your new life.

[RawGod]

(05-26-2018 06:34 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

She deepthroated like a garbage disposal and then I had to get rid of her because I had a date.

Your prose brings a tear to the eye bro. Or is that poetry?

[debeguiled]

You did well, and you completely lucked out that she had such stand up parents. If they had been enablers, it would have gone different.

Enjoy your freedom.

[RatInTheWoods]

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