[DigitalNomad]

The only natural thing is to spend your valuable time to search pictures of male models, then create a fake Facebook, then fake Tinder, spend time swiping to prove your apready predetermined conclusion... hmmm.

I’m not a male model but I can run a boost in any decent sized city and have 70-100 matches lined up. Albeit only a fraction of those are attractive and even then it’s once in a blue moon I actually go on tinder dates, but trust me, guys that are putting the work in and know how to play the system are getting laid.

Gotta agree with @kaotic, and similar to what I mentioned on the recent Toronto sheet, write a data sheet about what you are good at and save the complaining for your personal journal. Learn from the people on here that are doing well at certain things or certain places.

[Naughty By Nature]

@FastBang

LOLOLOL, I don't need to do online dating to get girls. But LOL at your mindless assumption. You're like a guy driving a Kia bashing someone driving a Lambo.

I was just proving its futility to the guys who are too scared to approach in real life. After all, this is a PICK-UP forum, not to mention, Roosh, ya know, the guy that runs this site, has disavowed online dating repeatedly.

[Naughty By Nature]

@corsega

You just proved how awful online dating is if the average guy is deemed attractive ONE time by EVERY 115 women. Thanks bro!

[Naughty By Nature]

@kaotic

LOLOLOL at this butthurt dude going through all my posts. Just sad.

[Its All Love]

I have used ZERO ONLINE DATING since 2014 and my consistency and quality only went up. This was the exact same time I moved out of my mom's house and moved to a different city and started university.

Every single bang I got except for a handful of girls I got through extended social circle (I'm good friends with my neighbor) since then has come from cold approach. Every. Single. One.

Now I'll admit I met quite a few of these women at night so I can't say it was all "day game" as in the sun was literally up but the point is cold approach will NEVER die. There's no substitute for walking up to a hot chick, stating your intention, creating and maintaining a vibe, and then following up with a date or two for some sex. It's just classic. Girls feel like Sex in the City when you do that shit I feel.

I've never missed using Tinder or online dating. I used to get rejected even by fat chicks and ugly chicks with purple hair on okcupid and Tinder and in real life I was getting 6s and 7s and the occasional 8 and 9.

Why the fuck would I EVER go back to the cesspool of online dating unless I had an easily exploitable niche/gimmick?

[scheme00]

I'm finally killing it on bumble with some serious top tier women too. 3-6 new dates per week on average and sleeping with about 30% on the first date and 75% by the second. I did online for about 2 years with no luck until I took an amazing photo at a red carpet event. I have 2 other great photos and that's it for photos. I went from zero matches to riding the gravy train so it's definitely about getting the profile set up correctly. PM me if you want to see my profile to copy.

[Naughty By Nature]

@It's All Love

"I've never missed using Tinder or online dating. I used to get rejected even by fat chicks and ugly chicks with purple hair on okcupid and Tinder and in real life I was getting 6s and 7s and the occasional 8 and 9."

See, this guy gets it. Finally a dude posting in here who actually has the confidence to approach.

You can really separate the wheat from the chaff in this one. You've got some guys in here who offer a very reasonable retort while you have some others, such as Kaotic, who are experiencing a veritable meltdown.

I would honestly not be the least bit surprised if some of these dudes have never approached a single woman in their life.

[ChadW85]

(01-04-2018 11:59 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

This deserves a call out.

(01-04-2018 01:20 AM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

Don't hate just because you lack the confidence to approach women in the flesh, bud. Get on my level, son.

That's rich coming from the guy who had a MGTOW meltdown about LA and approaching women. Who keeps using the the buzzword "Los Mangeles" "Man Diego" and bitches about approaching in general.

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I think we can all agree that online dating is a veritable cesspool of trannies, catfish, prostitutes, bots, and women who look nothing like their pics.

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TripleG, damn, is DC that bad? That sucks, man. Sounds like Los Mangeles aka The LAnd of Snakes. I met several dudes that either quit or started doing P4P, lol. Major gender imbalance.

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As someone who has lived in both Los Mangeles aka The LAnd of Snakes and Chicago, I feel uniquely qualified to weigh in on this.

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Los Mangeles is a cultural and logistical dumpster fire. It is complete garbage. Half your day is spent in traffic, the other half is spent dealing with fake, slimy people, and the entirety is spent being flaked on by the most entitled, flaky women in North America.

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I, too, am not understanding Pituco’s “follower” mentality of LA > Chicago because, well, other people around the world say so. That’s mindless groupthink. Katy Perry must be more talented than Andrea Bocelli because, well, other people say so, amirite?

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Vegas is terrible for daygame, outside of Saturdays at the Fashion Show mall. Nightgame is legit but expect for about 1/3 of the women you approach in Vegas to be prostitution whores.

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Lol, those pictures of Nashville are epic. Literally the exact opposite of Los Mangeles, Man Diego, and Man Francisco in the ratios department.

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It’s mind blowing to me how Dallas, despite being a major city and the 4th biggest metro in America, is completely drab and dead.

Houston is also a very sprawling city with a serious lack of foot traffic and bustle. Brutally hot and humid too.

I would hate to live in either of those cities as a dude dedicated to daygame. Having to game at the mall seriously sucks.

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I wouldn't recommend online dating for older guys or younger guys.

It's a cesspool of trannies, catfish, bots, prostitutes, crazy women, and women who look significantly worse than their photos (this is the most common issue).

There's also the fact you're sitting in your room staring at a screen. You're not connecting with anyone, you're not building any confidence, and you're not getting outside your comfort zone.

Online dating makes you WORSE with women.

Bitching about San Diego:

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What's even more hilarious is you're telling guys to "sack up" and hit up girls in person which I haven't seen you post much in the approach log thread, or any bangs in the I Just Had Sex thread.

Even more moronic is the fact you only waited 19 hours , anyone and everyone whose used tinder KNOWS it takes a few days for you to start accruing matches.

Your bio is straight retarded.

Apparently you haven't read the Tinder App thread and Vill@in is right this shit has been done before with great results.

But here you are bitching once again instead of giving any advice, just like a jaded female would.

EVERYONE KNOWS you shouldn't be running straight dating apps - that you should be doing both if you can and can manage your time.

What have you done in Atlanta since you've been there? How many girls have you approached? How many have have you been on dates with ? How many have you banged?

I means seriously Jesus Christ - write a data sheet already instead of complaining all the time.

The only mark ass trick here is your hamster nigga !

I'm gonna have to side with Naughty on this one. You just SCOURED through his posts. That is VERY sad. Dozens of posters on here have bashed LA. It is what it is. That city does suck for a variety of reasons. This dude stated it best:

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[AneroidOcean]

(01-04-2018 11:57 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

You can really separate the wheat from the chaff in this one. You've got some guys in here who offer a very reasonable retort while you have some others, such as Kaotic, who are experiencing a veritable meltdown.

Textbook case of projection. Go ahead, finish your meltdown. Telling that the only people defending you are brand new users. Probably your alternate accounts. TrOLOLOL

[Naughty By Nature]

Aneroid, this is a pick-up forum. If you're too scared to approach a woman in the flesh, then I wouldn't recommend this forum for you.

I was merely proving Roosh's assertion that REAL pick-up is the way to go and online dating is for guys with low self-esteem. I clearly nailed this experiment given the vitriol from some of you and given the fact a 9/10 got slaughtered on Tinder.

Your ancestors battled bears yet many of you can't even approach a woman and get a date, lol.

[Naughty By Nature]

It blows my mind how some of you completely lack gratitude.

I am HELPING you out.

I am pushing you to scrap the atrocious ROI of online dating, as It's All Love aptly noted, and face your fears to approach women IRL. I have two dates scheduled for this weekend out here in Chicago, both of which I met off daygame.

[Its All Love]

While I think online is 100% a waste of time, I also don't believe one man should ever hate on how other men get their pussy. If online works great for you or you like using it, more power to ya. I personally think it's shit and like I said would only use it if it made sense for ME, but if next man wants to I see no issue with that.

That being said some people were talking about living in LA? Yeah I'm from here and I can't wait to leave. I can SEE why people wanna live here I was born and raised and a lot of people really enjoy it, but as someone who cares about quality of life, walkable urban living, non outrageous housing prices, and non-liberal state with borderline nanny police culture, I can't justify living here. Not to mention maybe some of the flakiest and entitled women in the US.

Won't lie it's QUITE competitive here though I would argue if someone can bankroll a good lifestyle here, or if they have a niche here it makes sense to stay. Also since I grew up here, my natural wanderlust and curiosity will always lead me away. It's natural as a young adult to want to leave the city you grew up in but I think the case of LA is a clear list of cons for many reasons. Just doesn't make sense to me for this stage of my life.

But hey that's just me.

[americanpituco]

Does Chicago have better weather than LA?

[Naughty By Nature]

Epic and honest PM from a rational dude on here. Also happens to be one of the most well-respected dudes on here. Can't wait to see how butthurt the haters get:

[FireStarter]

(01-05-2018 12:11 AM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

I was merely proving Roosh's assertion that REAL pick-up is the way to go and online dating is for guys with low self-esteem. I clearly nailed this experiment given the vitriol from some of you and given the fact a 9/10 got slaughtered on Tinder.

Maybe you're right, maybe the ROI is not worth it when it comes to online dating. But your experiment doesn't prove anything. People have already told you why it's flawed, if you really want to convince people you could try addressing those concerns.

I'd bet if you just deleted that repellent bio and waited a couple more days your fake profile would get a heap more right swipes. However, I'd also bet there's a good probability you won't be able to tell us about it.

[scheme00]

I'm in LA too and I am doing everything in my power to leave. Everything you said is spot on and I agree with it. But my online dating here is on fire lately so I'll use it as a tool with day and night game to keep the plates rotating.

[Sourcecode]

I wrote a tinder data sheet.

I consistently bang 7s and higher.

I'm not a male model at all...

[pancakemouse]

(01-04-2018 11:43 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

@FastBang

LOLOLOL, I don't need to do online dating to get girls. But LOL at your mindless assumption. You're like a guy driving a Kia bashing someone driving a Lambo.

I was just proving its futility to the guys who are too scared to approach in real life. After all, this is a PICK-UP forum, not to mention, Roosh, ya know, the guy that runs this site, has disavowed online dating repeatedly.

Roosh, bless his heart, has not been in the game in years.

Long enough not to see the societal changes that are happening:
https://www.wired.com/story/why-teens-ar...g-anymore/

(01-04-2018 11:46 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

@corsega

You just proved how awful online dating is if the average guy is deemed attractive ONE time by EVERY 115 women. Thanks bro!

I'd love to hear how well your daygame approaches go, bud. Because I hate to break it to you, but that's about par for the course for women anywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgLBWej72is

[Putin Closes]

(01-05-2018 12:15 AM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

It blows my mind how some of you completely lack gratitude.

I am HELPING you out.

I am pushing you to scrap the atrocious ROI of online dating, as It's All Love aptly noted, and face your fears to approach women IRL. I have two dates scheduled for this weekend out here in Chicago, both of which I met off daygame.

I have two dates scheduled this weekend while taking a deuce. You seem to value your time at $0. Others do not. How quickly can you approach 100 women? I can swipe 100 women in 2 minutes.

Or how about when you go on your dates this weekend check to see if their phone has Tinder. If they do, will you walk out on your date cause the talent on Tinder is apparently bottom tier?

[godfather dust]

Naughty by Nature is bugging out and ranting about Tinder on a forum less of a waste of time than using it? Why?

[Kieran]

I don't and have never done online dating. I enjoy nightlife, and tend to have more girls than I have time to deal with from nightlife alone, and so have no need for online game (and neither my game nor looks are particularly amazing, I just go out a lot and approach).

However, if somebody doesn't enjoy nightlife or doesn't have time for it then online game makes sense. To me though it seems long, when I can just move to a girl in a bar and find out immediately what she's about, and whether we have sexual chemistry.

On the OP's experiment, I doubt women would find that guy sexy so I'm not surprised at his results.

[fitness2569]

Bitching about apps not working but not trying to adapt is useless. I'm in Colombia right now and i have been here for about a month, for the first two weeks i approached my ass off in the day time and focused time on tinder too . Result 0 bangs. Instead of crying i made a new tinder in medellin with new pictures i took. I made new bio everything, in the next two weeks, result , 6 bangs. That's the beauty of game , changing shit up, adapting to get the results you want.

If the women in a specific city are more receptive to you in the day time optimize your approaches, if a city is more receptive to you online, optimize your online profiles. Being able to adapt in different situations is tight game not bitching about it. I have had to learn this the hard way

[Rang off the Pipe]

Just because online dating is difficult and often fruitless in the west doesn't eliminate its usefulness in other places. Online dating is merely another way to get laid and while one can argue back and forth about whether it requires more or less game, it's still a way to get laid in this day and age. It's not a wise idea to totally depend on it but at the same time it's also not good to be a Luddite and totally disavow it. OP tries to bring up a good point but the expression of that point comes across as confrontational (nevermind the flawed "experiment"). The four arenas of game are night, day, social circle, and online. Not all guys are going to get an even amount of traction in each arena, so each guy plays to his advantage.

[kaotic]

I didn't scour your posts, they're pretty easy to find.

A meltdown is what bitter angry incels like you do when nothing is going their way and start screeching autistically on a forum.

What I did, was not a meltdown, it was a call out, to prove how much of a moron you are and why this thread should be discredited for the most part.

What I did isn't scouring, what I did was provide evidence of how pent up and frustrated you are, by showing your posts, that's logic and reasoning son, get on my level.

We don't owe you any gratitude, you aren't helping us out.

YOU'RE BEATING A DEAD HORSE.

EVERYONE knows you shouldn't be using dating app as your primary weapon, everyone knows it's supplemental.

You're basically regurgitating everything that's been discussed in the Game Forum and Deep Forum.



I asked what you've done lately - still no reply. I asked about approaches, bangs, etc - still no reply.

Aneroid is right about one thing, I wouldn't be surprised if you setup these newbie accounts who agree with you.

After all - you made a fake tinder account


You waste your time making for profiles of dudes online with a weak bio and only waiting a day and rage quit because you hardly got any matches.

Spoiler Alert: That dude you used wasn't a 9/10, your bio was a turn off for women (cringeworthy also), and throw in the fact you didn't wait to accrue matches. Lose/Lose.

Throw in a baity title to vent your frustration and you just LOLOLOL when people respond and you don't like it, like some immature child. Without giving examples of your success/failures.

You don't have any "haters" brah.

I mean even in our RVF group chats we're laughing at this entire thread and how silly it is.

[desert]

I've personally banged 3 hot girls off Bumble in December.

2/3 were just as high quality as girls you'd meet out and about.

I use facetime to build comfort or I'll talk to them on the phone and then get them to come over.

Before I deleted my Tinder I had over 200 matches in a smaller city. My pics weren't great either, certain not that of model quality pics. Just a few shirtless pics and me looking good standing next to an attractive female did the trick.

Personally i had minimal luck with tinder but bumble is much better. For example the competition is less bc the girls only message you. My female friend who is at best a 7 (being generous) got over 1200 matches in the time I got 200 on Tinder. So that gives you an idea of how thirsty the dudes are. I personally only swipe attractive girls. Don't really get the point in banging anything less than a 7 or 8.

My numbers are 3/4 girls I've met on Bumble I've banged on Tinder it is 0. I may consider getting back on tinder again but right now I'm content with 2 girls I'm seeing.

Plus like others are saying approaching girls in public is WAY more exhilarating.