[The Father]

Having lived long enough to have female friends post-45, i've noticed that the ones who don't have kids don't fare very well, mentally. Their are exceptions of course (usually women who were raised very well and/or inherited a stable mentality). But on average, women over 45 without kids tend to LOSE IT!

I had a close group of female friends when i lived in LA. I met them when we were all in our early to mid 30's. They were fun, smart, attractive, interesting. Some got married, some didn't. The ones who got married mostly had kids. Over time, unlike my guy friends, the women all turned on each other. This is true, of course, of women at any age. Ever talk to a college senior ("This is Sarabeth; she's my best friend! Last week Kaitlyn was my best friend. Next week Lauren will be my best friend".) It's a bit ridiculous. But it's 10x worse after 40! One of the women in this group (the least-attractive, perpetually single one) had a nervous breakdown. Before that, she fought with some of the others in the group. Now she rarely socializes with anyone. Another one became an alcoholic, then obese, then a religious nut. She actually married a much more attractive guy - but they never had kids. A third girl in the group, who was as much fun as anyone in her 30's, is now perpetually offended and also stopped talking to most of the others. The ONLY women in that group who stayed sane were the ones who had kids!

Now think about the women you work with. Some can be a pain in the ass and treat their subordinates like children. But the worst of the bunch are almost always childless women in their 50s. They go NUTS!

Surely i'm not the only one who has noticed this. It's as if nature (which is very, very efficient) says: "Well you no longer have a role in perpetuating the future (unlike men, who can reproduce until old and who also protect the tribe from outside attack), so...not much point in wasting any more resources on you!". And their minds and bodies break down and the elements recycled into the universe.

[Disco_Volante]

Women have a historically absurd amount of attention / vanity / sexual value they can indulge in and they don't want to relinquish it with a pregnancy. There's also no period in history where they physically haven't needed a male provider as government will do that for them now. They think they're winning but on the backend of life they pay severely. They want to enjoy their sexual value while pretending they have anything else to offer society. Then they act shocked when men stop giving them attention with age.

They have a much higher need for social stimulation (which they don't realize most of it was due to their beauty) so they can't handle isolation like men can either. It's so easy for them to get laid I don't feel sorry for any of them.

[pheonix500000]

Roosh covered this topic a while ago

http://www.rooshv.com/women-who-dont-hav...s-go-crazy


Women Who Don’t Have Babies Go Crazy


A girl recently told me that she hopes her female dog would breed. Otherwise, the dog may have a false pregnancy where she pretends she is pregnant and shows increasingly unstable behavior. This was the first time I learned about the scientific condition in dogs called pseudopregnancy. I was immediately struck by how similar it is to the behavior of adult human women who don’t have babies, especially ones who live in the affluent West. After studying this condition extensively, I speculate that women who don’t fulfill their biological program of having children exhibit the disturbing signs of false pregnancy by becoming insane.

The symptoms of false pregnancy stem from hormonal changes. The female dog, which I will refer to as the “bitch” from this point on, experiences enlarged mammary glands and may secrete milk. Her abdominum swells, she gains weight, the vagina discharges a fluid, and there may be nausea and vomiting. The bitch may even exhibit cravings for certain foods alongside increased appetite.

Emotional changes are soon to follow. The bitch shows overt emotional attachment and even defensiveness for abstract objects like toys or clothing. Her nesting instinct causes her to hoard random objects like tennis balls, and she will often appear confused or disoriented. Other symptoms include aggression, depression, restlessness, and anxiety.

When I read the symptoms of canine false pregnancy, I realized that the majority of childless women over the age of 25 exhibit the exact same symptoms. The most obvious symptom that we can visually observe is weight gain. It is hard, if not impossible, to find a female past her fertile prime that is of normal weight. Next, the human female shows emotional attachment to objects that are outside of her personal domain of home and family, specifically minorities and Islamic migrants. A childless woman collects animals and third world migrants like a bitch collects tennis balls, as if she is their mother trying to protect them from danger, but of course poor brown people are not her children, and may view her as stupid.

The barren human female also displays aggression against those who threaten her “children.” If you try to take away a tennis ball of a bitch who has false pregnancy, she will attack you. The same happens if you try to “take away” the brown migrants that a human female has coveted. She will be vicious in calling you racist, fascist, literally Hitler, and whatever bad man of history that she happens to remember from her history classes in high school.

Understand that aggression is the most dominant trait of the false pregnancy, because the bitch actually believes that someone is trying to kill her “offspring.” In human females, you see displays so full of anger and violence that even include calls for an uprising that overthrows or kills a democratically elected president. The nurturing instinct, which is useful in women who have children, goes horribly wrong in women who fail to have children.

If a woman doesn’t hoard brown migrants, she will procure a cat or dog and pretend that the animal is a human child. It is now common to see women dress up their pets as if they’re actual humans and talk to them using a baby voice. The motherly instinct becomes hijacked by these furry animals.

The other symptoms of false pregnancy, such as depression, restlessness, and anxiety, seem to perfectly describe childless Western females, who are so mentally ill that at least 25% of them need to be medicated with pharmaceutical drugs. The combination of their sterility and the extreme enabling of their behavior in Western culture has created a perfect storm that is leading to societal mass hysteria.

It turns out that false pregnancy is common in the mammalian world, occurring not only in dogs but also cats, mice, swine, and yes, humans. In human cases, the woman has to think she is falsely pregnant to be diagnosed with the disorder, but I believe that a woman experiences the same symptoms without actually thinking she is pregnant. When reading the scientific literature on female dogs, I had to remind myself that it wasn’t about human females—that’s how similar the clinical presentation of the symptoms are.

If you know a woman who is showing signs of false pregnancy, I recommend you do an intervention to remind her that she is not pregnant, brown migrants are not her children, and Donald Trump is not a threat to her pug. Unfortunately, there is no cure unless she actually becomes pregnant, but that would require her to emotionally bond with another human being and sacrifice for its needs in a way that goes beyond superficial virtue signalling. That may be asking for the impossible, but unless women start having babies, I expect them to continue descending into greater levels of madness.

[Ski pro]

After a certain age one of the things that women hate most is that they effectively become invisible to men. No IOIs, no attention, nothing. Drives them insane.

Every woman I know who is childless and beyond 40 is nuts. It's the sudden awakening that they've pissed away their prime years to attract a mate and they are doing this mad trolley dash around the market looking for a man, men they wouldn't have even considered years ago, desperate for someone to knock them up and take their very slim chances that they can pump out a defective baby.

I know two women like this, one is 48 and beyond the range if having kids. She spends her time getting drunk and fucking any guy drunk enough to have sex with her. Engage her in a normal conversation is impossible, she's just crazy.

The other is 43 and still on the dating scene in Geneva, endlessly swiping right, going on dates, looking for someone. Anyone. 10 or 20 years ago she probably would have made someone a great wife and mother as she's pretty caring but she pissed that away for a corporate career and drinks with the girls..

It's just sad.

[The Father]

(12-30-2017 01:58 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

Every woman I know who is childless and beyond 40 is nuts.

That encapsulates my entire premise much more concisely than I could. Thank you.

(12-30-2017 01:58 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

It's the sudden awakening that they've pissed away their prime years to attract a mate and they are doing this mad trolley dash around the market looking for a man, men they wouldn't have even considered years ago, desperate for someone to knock them up and take their very slim chances that they can pump out a defective baby.

...and that is the reason why.

[Mercenary]

(12-30-2017 01:00 PM)The Father Wrote:  

Women without kids tend to go batshit insane

You just figured this out ?
I remember all childless women over 40 being highly unpleasant people and/or nuts even when I was a young teenager at school.
They acted unhinged, had unkind voices, looked bad, and they even smelt strange.

Where do you think the myth of the old ugly witch, together with a black cat, grey hair, crooked nose, and a nasty crazy crackling laugh (who is always casting spells on younger women she hates) comes from ?
Childless unmarried women from generations past.


The original ugly, old, cat lady....who is always in a bad mood, or is laughing like a maniac




Constantly casting spells on younger, good looking, fertile girls she hates, or is jealous of

[911]

[Captain Gh]

I vividly remember the advise The Father gave in one of his thread about working with women. The solution was simple! TRANSFER TRANSFER TRANSFER if you want to stay with the company, or find another job. Boy oh Boy was he right! Not only have I one female manager that's insane , but her boss is also on the verge of losing it. These women will use absolutely every interaction to pass on the repressed anger they have. The worst part is they have no Goddamn clue why they're so angry, while every one else's just watching the train wreck! Needless to say, exit plan is in the Work!

[IvanDrago]

You guys associate with childless women beyond their early 30s? That's weird dude.

[ElFlaco]

I knew a woman in her 70s. Single (never had a serious relationship), childless and STILL playing the field. Very unhappy. She was always telling me how awful men are.

[Pancho]

I mean Ann Coulter is what? 56?

She's never had a kid, yet she keeps talking about the importance of the traditional family and what not.

[El Chinito loco]

When western women reach a certain spinster age (usually early to late 30's) they start doping themselves up more and more with alcohol and prescription psych meds to handle reality. This is where a lot of the insanity stems from.

A lot can't handle the reality that their 20's and a big portion of their 30's was totally squandered on materialistic selfish pursuits. They didn't account for the fact that they only have so many eggs and as their body ages their chances of healthy and viable conception goes way down.

They also tend to go either direction when dating at this age..either they have MORE unrealistic standards (millionaire, famous, 6'3" surfer/bodybuilder) or they end up just continuing to replicate the mistakes of their early 20's by riding the cock carousel at supersonic speeds.

A lot of them try to go through a new renaissance by getting plastic surgery, getting into new scenes like new age yoga, traveling to sketchy places to hump swarthy men, or end up changing careers into some SJW socially conscious shit where they can cuddle armfuls of little fly covered black babies instead of their own.

It's all very predictable and basic bitch.

When they reach their 50's finally and nearly all options are exhausted they will end up as the bitter old human resources hags that haunt places like the DMV. Since these used up women can't bring themselves to do the right thing for society at the end and fall on their sword they become a net burden on society instead.

Society will be responsible in taking care of these ancient cat grannies who have no real value. Since women tend to live way longer than men the west will have a whole legion of these ancient purple haired cat ladies to look forward to.

Meanwhile the demographics all over the west are replaced more and more by north africans, Mexicans, fundamentalist arabs, etc..

Happy New Year everybody.

[RatInTheWoods]

All WOMEN ARE BATSHIT INSANE.

Never mind if they have kids or how old they are!

[Windom Earle]

^ yes, there are some women who are off-the-richter crazy even for having kids.

Then there are some women, like men, who just aren’t cut out for parenting i.e. their skills and/or values are not worthy of nurturing/passing on to a human life.

Their inner termoil of being childless is a net benefit to society over the consequences of poorly raised children.

[Easy_C]

(12-30-2017 03:57 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

I vividly remember the advise The Father gave in one of his thread about working with women. The solution was simple! TRANSFER TRANSFER TRANSFER if you want to stay with the company, or find another job. Boy oh Boy was he right! Not only have I one female manager that's insane , but her boss is also on the verge of losing it. These women will use absolutely every interaction to pass on the repressed anger they have. The worst part is they have no Goddamn clue why they're so angry, while every one else's just watching the train wreck! Needless to say, exit plan is in the Work!

Good advice. I will add by pointing that every so often you do run into an older woman with kids who is great to work for. Most of them are mid-level administrators or managers with a good home life who are just there because their family needs the cash. Not all of them good to work with(some are just OCD or otherwise nuts), but all the women I've known who were great to work with were of that type. It can be especially beneficial to have them on good terms if they're recent empty nesters and you're either the same age or a bit younger than their youngest kid. If they like you instinctively slot you into that "part of the brood" category and can become extremely strong career boosters.

That's actually how I got my current job (not my "target" job, but six figures for a 40 hour week). One of my interviewers was a lady who's kids had just gone off to college and one the questions I got was one where I talked about overcoming a problem I grew up with that overlapped with one of her own kid's experiences. She kinda gave an "I've heard what I need to know" body language response and I heard later that she had been aggressively pushing for them to select me.

(12-30-2017 06:20 PM)Pancho Wrote:  

I mean Ann Coulter is what? 56?

She's never had a kid, yet she keeps talking about the importance of the traditional family and what not.

Because Ann Coulter is a cynical opportunist. Never forget that she shilled for cucks like Romney and McCain.

[Pancho]

(12-30-2017 07:00 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 03:57 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

I vividly remember the advise The Father gave in one of his thread about working with women. The solution was simple! TRANSFER TRANSFER TRANSFER if you want to stay with the company, or find another job. Boy oh Boy was he right! Not only have I one female manager that's insane , but her boss is also on the verge of losing it. These women will use absolutely every interaction to pass on the repressed anger they have. The worst part is they have no Goddamn clue why they're so angry, while every one else's just watching the train wreck! Needless to say, exit plan is in the Work!

Good advice. I will add by pointing that every so often you do run into an older woman with kids who is great to work for. Most of them are mid-level administrators or managers with a good home life who are just there because their family needs the cash. Not all of them good to work with(some are just OCD or otherwise nuts), but all the women I've known who were great to work with were of that type. It can be especially beneficial to have them on good terms if they're recent empty nesters and you're either the same age or a bit younger than their youngest kid. If they like you instinctively slot you into that "part of the brood" category and can become extremely strong career boosters.

(12-30-2017 06:20 PM)Pancho Wrote:  

I mean Ann Coulter is what? 56?

She's never had a kid, yet she keeps talking about the importance of the traditional family and what not.

Because Ann Coulter is a cynical opportunist. Never forget that she shilled for cucks like Romney and McCain.

And Bush.

[911]

(12-30-2017 06:29 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

All WOMEN ARE BATSHIT INSANE.

Never mind if they have kids or how old they are!

That's a bit of an exaggeration, because with the right upbringing and within the proper environment, a majority of women will turn out to be functional mothers. People who have your mindset might have not been exposed to these kinds of environments, which, granted, have been becoming less common every decade.

This thread is about nuance, about the paths and circumstances that make middle age women go completely off the bat.

About the broader cost to society which Chinito alluded to, E. Michael Jones has made a very astute observation on the subject of the gender salary gap. He noted that the gender salary gap doesn't exist for career-centered childless women. Those are women who don't invest their natural, God-given skills into forming stable families and rearing children.

In the middle of that spectrum, you have mothers who interrupt their careers for a couple of years after child birth but later return to the workforce. Their salary gap will be inversely proportional to the years they've spent investing into their families.

So the salary gap is a very clear index of the health of the social structure and family life, and in that sense, the obsessive pursuit of feminists and other cultural engineers towards closing this gap is also reflective of their obsession with destroying the family and stripping women of their natural child-rearing predispositions. The narrower that salary gap is, the sicker the society will be, not just the women, but also their children.

[Goldin Boy]

(12-30-2017 01:58 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

After a certain age one of the things that women hate most is that they effectively become invisible to men. No IOIs, no attention, nothing. Drives them insane.


It's just sad.

I think it's hilarious. They have no one to blame but themselves for buying into the lie that they can having anything and everything.

The Simpsons even covered the trajectory of the average barren Western female. This should be shown to every high school girl before graduation:

[IvanDrago]

(12-30-2017 08:00 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 01:58 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

After a certain age one of the things that women hate most is that they effectively become invisible to men. No IOIs, no attention, nothing. Drives them insane.


It's just sad.

I think it's hilarious. They have no one to blame but themselves for buying into the lie that they can having anything and everything.

The Simpsons even covered the trajectory of the average barren Western female. This should be shown to every high school girl before graduation:

I agree, it is not sad at all. They are now living the life that 80% or more of young men had to endure growing up. Zero fucks. I have no compassion for old women who can't seem to find a guy now considering most had near infinite opportunities growing up.

[gework]

(12-30-2017 01:58 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

After a certain age one of the things that women hate most is that they effectively become invisible to men. No IOIs, no attention, nothing. Drives them insane.

The Guardian's feminist-in-chief:



There are so many themes at work with childless middle-aged women. A few ideas:

The desire to have children in an innate part of humans and animals. It's buried deep in our beings. Historically those with a greatly reduced desire to procreate would have slipped out of the gene pool. To not have a desire to have children is the end of life. It's something that exists, even without any real socialisation. In fact it will probably be more pronounced in such circumstances. Just as a cat who is raised by humans will try and kill every mouse and bird it sees, all women have a deep desire to procreate. It's a 1 billion year old desire.

This desire is in the very deepest parts of our being and it something we share with the earliest lifeforms. It's ancient and it's far away from the conscious mind and verbal thought. If you're thinking about watching a TV program you will likely be thinking verbally in your mind. Whereas if you are thinking about having sex, you won't be saying in your mind, "I'm moving my hand here. I'm thrusting in and out." You will be thinking in imagery, concepts, feelings. This comes from the same area as the desire to have children.

It's difficult for people to really understand what goes on in their mind at these levels. And as these are very fundamental areas of the self, suppressing them causes very deep instability, which manifests as batshit insane middle-aged women in the case of not fulfilling a fundamental desire. In the case of suppressing sexual desire, think Catholic priests and Buddhist monks; suppressing the desire for top-tier men, feminism...

I think there are two key areas that mess women up in this area:

1) politicisation
2) parents who indulge their child too much

On politicisation, women have been encouraged to believe lots of things like: "be a hero", "you are strong", "party hard", "you are a career woman", "you can have whatever you want" and so on. In mainstream millennial society, if you eschew these you are likely to be shamed. Say you want to get married and be a stay at home mum and you'll likely be screeched at as an accessory to patriarchy. So women have to suppress their innate desire to find a man and have children. Or they are so consumed by other, superficial desires that they ignore it. And, of course, they are wasting their best years.

On parents spoiling their children by giving them too much and telling them they are special and keeping them as a child, this cripples a child's ability to form their own desires, because they don't have to. This is a reason why we now have so many middle-class children who fumble through university and then don't know what to do, go back to live with their parents or float around major cities on parental welfare doing very little with their lives. They are the softest generation ever, with no desire derived from choice and hardship. From about the age of 8 children need some autonomy to figure out what they like and develop their desires. If parents dominate their desires by mothering and giving too much things, their desires get suppressed. At around this age children start to play "mums and dads" and develop the desire to have children, get married.

So the mothering instinct can get suppressed in both childhood and then by friend circles and society.

As the 30s progress, the suppression and realisation that they are not a hero who can do anything may bubble up - they realise they have squandered their best years to find a high quality man. This means trading down or marrying older.

Those who don't make that realisation have been suppressing these things for 20+ years now. There's a whole host of things they don't want to know about who they are and what they've done, like - you're not that desirable. People don't want to know that. But subconsciously they know all of it. And what is suppressed ends up spilling out as some form of dynfunction like being a crazy cat lady. These people are going to blame their position on other people, as it's what most people do, particularly women. They also see people all around them who have managed to fulfill themselves in a multitude of ways:



[Maslow's hierarchy of needs]

While all they have is a roof over their heads and a job to turn up to. The harder something is to attain, the fewer people there are who have it and the more desirable it is. A stable marriage takes time, knowledge, effort. Once people hit middle-age, they can't help be jealous of those who have that. No one is jealous of the washed-up 50 year old player or crazy cat lady. Those are easier things to become.

The last point is on emotion. Research shows that women are considerably more emotional than men. You can't build anything with emotion, whereas the human world is in some regards the collective manifestation of all human thought. You solve problems and make good decisions when you think clearly, not when you are consumed by your subjective emotions. This is why women need a good man to anchor them in the world and to lead them on a path to fulfillment. That's why they shit test. Men test reality and women test men.

[Conscious Pirate]

Having kids isn’t necessarily the salve for their mid to late-age craziness.

Plenty of man-children & 4th wave feminists these days to debunk that theory.

[Suits]

(12-30-2017 06:20 PM)Pancho Wrote:  

I mean Ann Coulter is what? 56?

She's never had a kid, yet she keeps talking about the importance of the traditional family and what not.

#tradthot

[Suits]

(12-30-2017 08:10 PM)IvanDrago Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 08:00 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

I think it's hilarious. They have no one to blame but themselves for buying into the lie that they can having anything and everything.

The Simpsons even covered the trajectory of the average barren Western female. This should be shown to every high school girl before graduation:

I agree, it is not sad at all. They are now living the life that 80% or more of young men had to endure growing up. Zero fucks. I have no compassion for old women who can't seem to find a guy now considering most had near infinite opportunities growing up.

"Smart" women have had this fear for a long damn time. They are acutely aware that there are very few men that "deserve" them.

Jane Austen (who died an unmarried, crazy cat lady with no offspring) wrote novel after novel about a women who does battle with a highly desirable, but rebellious man who treats his with a level of distain, only to tame him into a mild house cat who respects her for who she is. None of these heroines are truly aware of their attraction to these highly attractive men until 2/3rds of the way through the story, in keeping with the tradition of believing that even the best man is barely good enough for the "smart" woman.

Lucy Maud Montgomery (who did marry), on the other hand wrote Anne of Green Gables, a series of books in which Anne eventually realizes that for all her academic achievements, she cannot do better than Gilbert Blythe, a man who has been giving her attention for years.

But serious, why does this topic come up here on the forum again and again. Do we need to remind ourselves about how horribly the women who refuse to take interest in marrying us fare to help us feel better about our dissatisfaction in life?

[Kapanda]

(12-30-2017 04:48 PM)IvanDrago Wrote:  

You guys associate with childless women beyond their early 30s? That's weird dude.

Not ashamed to admit I banged an over 40 childless chick at a club. She was hot, tits were perky. Would not have guessed if she hadn't told me.

[ilostabet]

indeed this is not news to anyone. even before finding the manosphere I had this impression from acquaintances and women in my family who did not have children.

what I will say is that observing the transformation from 'empowered' woman to frustrated nutjob after hiting the wall was pretty enlightening and frightening in a way.

I have been working my current job for a few years and when I started there were a few women on their early thirties - still hot, still able to ride the CC, still given to hedonistic pursuits and career because they could. today most of them have, or are just about to hit the wall. and they have become unhinged, bitter, just terrible to be around and work with - whereas a few years ago they were still fun.

it is also of note that the younger girls don't learn anything about their situation. the older ones hate the younger ones for obvious reasons, and the younger ones instead of taking some lessons from the situation, just make fun of them - oblivious to the fact that they will be in the same situation. plus, they both hate and drool over the few women who had kids meanwhile and that sometimes visit the office to parade their children to arouse envy I guess.

women are insane is what I'm saying.