[VincentVinturi]

I just saw the new Bladerunner (not bad) and noticed that Ryan Gosling has what can only be described as grade A eye game.

A few characteristics about Gosling in particular:

- Droopy lids "lazy eyes". He does this thing where he droops his eyelids a bit and glances out from "under" these heavy eyes. It has a disarming effect.

- Rapid scanning from eye to eye (again, with relaxed lids). Has an intimacy building effect

- Let's his eyes do the heavy lifting without getting the rest of his face involved. You'll notice that Ryan - and a lot of good actors - smile with their eyes, express sadness with their eyes, and their brows and they don't have to overact by getting their whole face involved. Subtlety.

Another actor with brilliant use of his eyes is Al Pacino (watch the restaurant scene from Heat, anything from Carlito's Way where his eyes do most of the acting), etc.

I've been aping some of Gosling's eye game mannerisms and getting back some really interesting & positive reactions. Cool stuff to add to the toolbox!

[estraudi]

(12-15-2017 06:38 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

- Droopy lids "lazy eyes"

My eyes naturally look like this unless I am really excited so I don't have another "look" to go off of to defintively say whether or not different sets of "eye looks" work for me.....BUT

I have always received comments and been opened based on the mood expressed through my eyes. My face is naturally stone faced like an indian so my eyes are what do give me away when I lock eyes with a girl.
My current major mother-to-be-of-my-son LTR said my eyes pierced through her and read everything they needed to know about her which in turn made her want to get to know me and "see" what I had picked up on. Easy convo from there.

I think when your eyes are your major communicators it forces an automatic DHV of some sort because people think you MUST know something about them because everything else about you is unreactive, sort of like you know what they're all about just be looking at them. A bit of submission on their end.
In my experience they want to KNOW more because your "look" has read them inside & out and it makes people try to uncover what it "is" about you that can do such an effortless "read". ...IDK I seem to have a hard time verbalizing this thought but I definitely have the experience to know about it. Guess that's why I read the forum more than post.

Great topic OP, few are talking about this.

[heavy]

Thought this would simply be another eye contact thread, but you added to the game. All 3 points were spot on and new observations.

Good stuff.

[Lordleon]

Post videos

[Noir]

Bump, non-verbals don't get enough love anymore.

[Dalaran1991]

I'm all for learning new stuff, but how do we know this is not another "it works because it's Ryan Gosling / Brad Pitt" case?

[Razors Edge]

eye game.. wtf is this shit

what the fuck just happened to show up, dress well, have a good time with a girl make her laugh then fuck her...

some cunts really overthink all this 'game' bullshit

Ryan Gosling could fart in a girls face and she'd still want to fuck him.

[DraperJ.hank]

In a higher compeditive market, small changes makes a hell of a difference.
Lets say you pick this skill up and two more, say that open bodylanguage sitting down and talking slower.
Now these things might to a extent seem like small minor changes, and it'd be more "alpha" to not give a shit. But after my own experince, picking up a habit or two in every month or so in the last two years has made me to another, better person.
You might be a natural in these things so it might seem obvious but I would think this forum / game would be rather dead by now if every thread was met by : Just show up, escalate etc.. Though one might pull nontheless from that approach.

[tr1cky]

Vincent - great post. Love it.

@razorsedge - I'm not disagreeing those things work but why do you post in the game board if that's all you think there is too "game"

[Cane Toad]

(12-27-2017 05:47 PM)Razors Edge Wrote:  

some cunts really overthink all this 'game' bullshit

When Razor writes his new book, "Gaming for Dumb Cunts"...it's going to be a best seller!

[Razors Edge]

(12-27-2017 06:58 PM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 05:47 PM)Razors Edge Wrote:  

some cunts really overthink all this 'game' bullshit

When Razor writes his new book, "Gaming for Dumb Cunts"...it's going to be a best seller!

Don't have time to write a book big fella. I'm too busy in mum's basement watching 'game' videos and practicing my eye 'game' in the mirror.

[Noir]

(12-27-2017 08:09 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I'm all for learning new stuff, but how do we know this is not another "it works because it's Ryan Gosling / Brad Pitt" case?

You don't so you have to try it for yourself.

Not saying that the Ryan Gosling specific method will work but based off my own experience, the eyes darting between both eyes works and is disarming. Looking at each eye individually.

You can combine this with looking at their lips, like triangular gazing.

Using your eyes to convey emotion also works, when your smile, when you frown, when your eyes open up and glaze etc.

The eyes are the window to the soul, strong eye contact works.

You will know this when girls start telling you shit like "I like the way you look at me", "you make me feel nervous/flustered when you look at me like that" and when they look down after looking at you or have difficulty holding eye contact.

This is one of the first things they notice when they look at you across a room.

[Nascimento]

This is the proper way to smile. Notice how important the eyes are (1:12):

[Dalaran1991]

(12-28-2017 02:16 AM)Noir Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 08:09 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I'm all for learning new stuff, but how do we know this is not another "it works because it's Ryan Gosling / Brad Pitt" case?

You don't so you have to try it for yourself.

Not saying that the Ryan Gosling specific method will work but based off my own experience, the eyes darting between both eyes works and is disarming. Looking at each eye individually.

You can combine this with looking at their lips, like triangular gazing.

Using your eyes to convey emotion also works, when your smile, when you frown, when your eyes open up and glaze etc.

The eyes are the window to the soul, strong eye contact works.

You will know this when girls start telling you shit like "I like the way you look at me", "you make me feel nervous/flustered when you look at me like that" and when they look down after looking at you or have difficulty holding eye contact.

This is one of the first things they notice when they look at you across a room.

Eye game is legit, there's no denying that. The girl I talked about in the other creepy thread,it all started when we were taking the communal sauna after aikido. I was opposite to her and ran some eye game. A week later, post-coitus she said that "you were devouring me with your eyes in the sauna. I wanted to fuck you right there and then"

My beef is that eye game is so personal I wonder if copying Ryan Gosling would actually do more harm than good, but yeah only one way to find out.

[Nascimento]

^^

Alright. We're in agreement here; there's an art to eye contact.

What are some of your tips? I'd like to hear your mindset during the situation you mentioned above.

Anyway, of the top of my head (some are basic, yes, but worth mentioning as a reminder not to forget them during an opportunity):
- Don't look away before she does, ever.
- Don't stare; observe. Huge difference.
- If she's receptive to your eye contact, don't be afraid to let her catch you checking out her body (similar to that video I linked above, actually)
- Have a slight squint. Practice it in front of the mirror so you know how to do it without wondering if you're doing it right

These are incredibly general, and can be applied in so many different situations. That's the point, though. Practice it everywhere. Even with chicks you see in a crowded public bus, and have no intention of approaching.

There are more situational techniques too. If I've isolated a girl in the bar, I'll begin talking less and less and try to do more with my body language. This sounds incredibly cliche, it's hard to write lol, but bear with me. I like to do that triangle thing, where you're really close to her, maybe within kissing proximity, and alternate looking between both her eyes and lips. The first few times I did this I went for a kiss shortly after, and it was great. But now I don't even kiss them then, I usually use it to build even more tension. It works well because they expect you to kiss them then. But this is now more about anticipation which is another topic.

I think it's really important to practice the basics. As rudimentary as all of this may sounds, when you get good at these simple things you start to improvise them in different situations. At some point it becomes second nature to do the basics so well it becomes deadly, and you don't even notice yourself doing it.

[Dalaran1991]

@Nas: aside from the basics stated above which I imagine all of us understand, I think it really comes to individual taste.

I like to come off as intense and this works well with my physique and personality. Im a small buffed Asian guy so I can get away with very aggressive game.

In the example above, I did exactly as she described. I look at her as if I want to devour her, with a half smile-half smirk. Imagine you are really trying to look into their souls, strip them down to the bones with all their secrets, fears and insecurity.

It's a big bluff because sometimes I dont like what I see, but whatever you do dont break eye contact first because if you do she just calls your bluff. Otherwise it works for me.

I'm not sure I have the aggressive presence to use the droopy eyes techniques from Ryan Gosling, for fear it would desxualize the interaction even further. Given my weakjness and strength I cant afford to run the relaxed and comfy figure.