[mrganteng]

I'm not sure why the message has been posting multiple times. This hasnt happened before- the only reason I could think of is this VPN I'm using could be messing shit up.

@Fortis - you clearly haven't read my posts. I don't have suitable accommodation to bring a girl back (very strict dorms here). I suggested the cooking idea but she says she doesn't have a suitable kitchen to cook in - she buys street food/ restaurants daily. We've agreed to meet at a subway station near her place and from there walk to a restaurant. I'm back at square one on trying to get myself into her apartment without scaring her off. Meeting her in 2 hours...

[mrganteng]

Just got back home from the second date.

So my original plan was to try and set up a cooking date at her place but she said that her kitchen is not good enough to cook which I believe. So we go to a local Chinese restaurant instead which she suggests and after we go to a bar for a drink.

The meal wasn't great, service and food quality was poor so I wasn't really in my best mood to gam. we got out and suggested grabbing a few beers and heading to her place for a drink but she says that her apartment is messy (bullshit excuse because she declined my invitation for a drink 3 days ago because 'I have to clean my apartment lol'.

I play it off cool and we go to a bar during the drink I was pushing with the teasing and we had a great connection. I say I'm walking her home (I didn't ask her I just said it up straight) and it's quite a treck- took us around 30 mins) but all throughout the conversations were really genuine and felt a connection. Her apartment is across the road from the subway station I need, I was hoping to use the 'pop up quickly to use the toilet' but I thought that would be pushing it too much and I would seem a bit too desperate- also didn't really want to mess up any future chances I have with her.

I've slept with around 20 girls and each one I've gotten the bang on the first and if not, the second date. This is the first girl taking longer than the second date.

I feel like I'm chasing this girl... I'm texting he more than she's texting me.. I feel like I'm trying too hard maybe?

She seems to like me and gave me a strong hug and kiss at the end of the date- maybe she's just a good girl and will take a few more dates before she's comfortable enough for the bang?

What do you guys reckon?

[Fortis]

(09-14-2017 10:15 AM)mrganteng Wrote:  

Just got back home from the second date.

So my original plan was to try and set up a cooking date at her place but she said that her kitchen is not good enough to cook which I believe. So we go to a local Chinese restaurant instead which she suggests and after we go to a bar for a drink.

The meal wasn't great, service and food quality was poor so I wasn't really in my best mood to gam. we got out and suggested grabbing a few beers and heading to her place for a drink but she says that her apartment is messy (bullshit excuse because she declined my invitation for a drink 3 days ago because 'I have to clean my apartment lol'.

I play it off cool and we go to a bar during the drink I was pushing with the teasing and we had a great connection. I say I'm walking her home (I didn't ask her I just said it up straight) and it's quite a treck- took us around 30 mins) but all throughout the conversations were really genuine and felt a connection. Her apartment is across the road from the subway station I need, I was hoping to use the 'pop up quickly to use the toilet' but I thought that would be pushing it too much and I would seem a bit too desperate- also didn't really want to mess up any future chances I have with her.

I've slept with around 20 girls and each one I've gotten the bang on the first and if not, the second date. This is the first girl taking longer than the second date.

I feel like I'm chasing this girl... I'm texting he more than she's texting me.. I feel like I'm trying too hard maybe?

She seems to like me and gave me a strong hug and kiss at the end of the date- maybe she's just a good girl and will take a few more dates before she's comfortable enough for the bang?

What do you guys reckon?

She gave you a hug and a kiss outside of her apartment and you didn't ask to come up?

Bruh.

Let me hit you with some China knowledge: Chinese girls are famously bad about PDA. They usually will refuse public kisses and hugs, so if she did these things with you in public then she's trying to fuck.

Next time invite yourself up and get your bang.

[mrganteng]

If she wanted the bang then I don't understand why she didn't accept me coming in 'to cook' or to 'drink a few beers'. I guessed the fact she'd refused my offers, she wasn't really ready for anything more than a kiss just yet.

[mrganteng]

Update on the rooftop bar girl.

So we had our third date last night. I took her for some food and then we went to a bar and had a few beers. We both get along very well and I actually enjoy hanging out with her. She's so cute and feminine, I really find it attractive. I walk her home and she's mentioning about completing this project for her boss' Birthday which is the next day. When we get to her place I ask to use the toilet and we head up in the elavator.

I get in, use the toilet then head into her room where she was sat completing her work on the laptop. I put some music on and play around on my phone whilst she's sorting shit out. I was hoping it wouldn't take longer than 15 mins but she faced some problems and the work takes longer- I can see her getting a little frustrated and I feel awkward like I'm not really welcomed.

I hang out a little more and making a few comments but she's completely focused and determined to get the work done. I sit next to her and do some light touches and offer her a back massage, she declines. A few mins later I make my excuse to leave (I'd been here for about an hour now). I just couldn't see anything happening. I lift her up from the floor where she was working and try and go in for the kiss. She declines and says it would distract her from her work. I leave.

When I get back home she sends me a text saying she's sorry the she ruined the night. I'm kinda pissed off a little but I'm fairly confident that next time, if I get the timing of my date right (weekend is best) I shouldn't have any problems.

It's sooo much harder getting the bang without having your own place.

Actually, I didn't mention this but about a week ago I got with a Taiwanese girl- got into her apartment and she sucked me off. Didn't want to go all the way for some reason but I didn't care too much- I'll try again next time.

Patience is key I guess haha. Let me know what you think guys

[Zerdame]

Have been reading your posts for abit and I like how you progressed from struggling with girls there to actually getting laid pretty regularly(at least the impression based on your posts)

You should have held her hand and told her "look at me." And then tell her "you are stressed out. When you're stressed out, you can't do quality work. Take a 10min break with me. Come." And lead her to the bed.

You need to be firm about it, all the back massages and half attempts at kisses don't work because she can sense that you are not being firm about your maneuvers. Lead her and she will comply.

Fantastic progress so far, I will be paying attention to this thread.

[mrganteng]

Date #4 last night with rooftop bar girl.

I took her to a couple of bars and went to the same rooftop bar we went to on the first date. Very comfortable and private area so was making out a good length of time. I then walked her back to her place. Invite myself up into her apartment again, i go to the toilet and come into her room. Its nice and cosy with those light up stars hung up across.

I kiss her and we get into bed. She changes into more comfortable clothes and we're under the sheets. Im feeling her tits and I notice that throughout she's quite silent. Normally girls would make some slight moaning sounds but she was deathly silent. She's not very passionate and i make sure everything's ok by asking her. She said shes fine and we continue. I lead her hand on my erect penis but she did a very poor job and seemed like she wasnt in the mood. I continue and reach down for her pussy, hoping that maybe some clit stimulation could turn things round. She stops my hand and i curse silently in my head.

So close! 4 dates and i still dont get the bang! Unbelievable!

She's a very shy girl and explains quietly that 'its not you its me' - it's because of the weather that she's not feeling in the mood. Ive never heard of this excuse before and say that maybe its because youre shy that you're not horny and she says 'maybe yeah'.

Im so confused with this girl and not really sure whether to continue seeing her. I like a girl with a high sex drive and who's good in bed and i dont think this girl will be. Spent a a fair bit of money seeing her (buying drinks, food and taxi) and not sure if its worth it anymore haha.

[Suits]

Did you try sucking on her tits before going downstairs?

[mrganteng]

Yeah i did @Suits

[Suits]

Meet more girls.

[Travel Museums]

How do you like beijing? I thought sep-oct was best time to be there. But the pollution was so bad some days. All the smoking at night too. It’s gotta destroy your lungs after awhile. They get no break from it.

I dated a chinese girl who lived there several years. She needed those cheap oxygen canisters when we went hiking. And it still didn’t do much good.

I know this is a problem in most chinese cities I’ve been to except maybe Hong Kong. But Beijing was the absolute worst.

You wearing a mask to daygame? I wore one maybe half the time I was outside. After a week it went from white to totally gray black around the breathing area. Oh great so the other half of that shit is inside me?

[mrganteng]

(10-11-2017 10:57 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

How do you like beijing? I thought sep-oct was best time to be there. But the pollution was so bad some days. All the smoking at night too. It’s gotta destroy your lungs after awhile. They get no break from it.

I dated a chinese girl who lived there several years. She needed those cheap oxygen canisters when we went hiking. And it still didn’t do much good.

I know this is a problem in most chinese cities I’ve been to except maybe Hong Kong. But Beijing was the absolute worst.

You wearing a mask to daygame? I wore one maybe half the time I was outside. After a week it went from white to totally gray black around the breathing area. Oh great so the other half of that shit is inside me?

I've been here 7 weeks now and overall I'd say i'm happy living here. I'm glad it's only a year because I know i don't have much time which gives me the motivation to get out and do things. Also, I think I would probably have had enough of the city after a year. The sheer number of people can be intense at times - especially on the subway during rush hour!

In terms of the pollution, it hasn't been too bad yet. I've heard it's much worst in the winter so that will be round the corner shortly. It's starting to get pretty cold now, which means lots of hot pots and tea. A hell of a lot of people smoke here which is not good at all for the health.

Daygaming - I don't do any street/ mall approaches. I use online dating apps OKC, Tinder and Tantan. I haven't had much luck yet unfortunately. I've met a chubby Taiwanese girl who I've been to see at her apartment and she gives a cracking blowjob! She says she's a virgin but I'm not 100% sure I believe her as she sure knows how to handle a cock! We've tried to have sex but she ends up screaming and almost crying in pain before the tip even goes in! Kinda annoying but I keep returning for the blowjobs haha!

[Travel Museums]

I never tried OKC there. I’d imagine it overlaps with tinder and tantan? Same girls? Are they mostly English speaking on okc?

[mrganteng]

Tinder has the most western girls. If you want to meet the international students, english teachers and rich Chinese girls who've studied overseas then tinder is the place to be. OKC has a few westerners but its mostly fairly average girls who can speak english. Tantan is all chinese, not many of them can speak good english but because there's less supply of foreign men on the app, i have found this platform to be the best in terms of matches and interest from women.

My 3 check points when im filtering is:

1: Good looking
2: Speaks ok english
3: Has an apartment

Because I live in a dorm and unable to bring girls back i need to find girls who have their own place. Its much much harder to get the bang in this way because the control and power has now switched hands. When ive had my own place i can simply arrange a date in a location convenient for me and easily invite the girl back to my place and seal the deal. Now im having to travel across the city to meet girls at locations close to them and try to weedle my way into their apartment.

[mrganteng]

Tinder has the most western girls. If you want to meet the international students, english teachers and rich Chinese girls who've studied overseas then tinder is the place to be. OKC has a few westerners but its mostly fairly average girls who can speak english. Tantan is all chinese, not many of them can speak good english but because there's less supply of foreign men on the app, i have found this platform to be the best in terms of matches and interest from women.

My 3 check points when im filtering is:

1: Good looking
2: Speaks ok english
3: Has an apartment

Because I live in a dorm and unable to bring girls back i need to find girls who have their own place. Its much much harder to get the bang in this way because the control and power has now switched hands. When ive had my own place i can simply arrange a date in a location convenient for me and easily invite the girl back to my place and seal the deal. Now im having to travel across the city to meet girls at locations close to them and try to weedle my way into their apartment.

[mrganteng]

Sorrry about posting multiple times, i really dont know what is going on there.

[Monxp]

Man, here is something you can try. Try setting up a date close to a private movie room. I'm not sure about the one's in China, but when I was in Korea, going on a date to a "DVD room" meant basically that you turn-on the movie, put the sound up and then start escalating. If the girl is ready to get banged you, can bang her right there. If not, she still needs some warming up. Enjoy the road to success

Here's a link I found online:
http://www.timeoutbeijing.com/venue/Venu...movie.html

[Gas]

Apologies on hijacking your thread, just this is a similar sitch and I didn't think it deserved its own thread:

I was text flirting with an 18 year old and things were fine, defnitely felt I was getting somewhere, then a few days later she referred to me as a "friend" which I just ignored.

Then she asked me for advice on some silly shit and I said ask someone else.

She said, "cmon, we're bffs right?"

And I said, "No."

Then she said "Why not?"

And I tried to think of something clever but I had nothing. Gimme something my dudes!

[mrganteng]

A short update for those interested...

2 notch counts so far for me here in Beijing. Not as good as I'd hoped for, but one of these is a plate who I see once a week so at least I'm not getting too sex-starved.

+1 was from Tantan (Chinese tinder)
+1 was a girl I met hiking on the great wall

I've recently been on dates with more western Chinese girls and I'm seeing a strong positive correlation with the american accent and shit tests. I've had this experience throughout my time in Asia- girls with stronger American accents seem to enjoy throwing out comments and conversation topics which I feel try to challenge me in some way.

Examples:
1) I sometimes forget which stories I've told to certain girls, and in one case I said 'I've told you the story about my brother and his gf right?' and then she says 'No, that must've been a different girl'.

2) I was invited to a restaurant opening event by a girl I met from OKC. I joined with her adult friends men/ women who were much older than her and one of them (the driver) asked me what I studied and my 'date' jokingly said 'Chinese girls' and then the driver goes on to ask 'how many chinese girls have you studied'. I was a little shocked at the situation as I'd only met them 5 mins before!

3) The same restaurant date girl as #2 - we hugged at the end of the night and she says 'no offence but you're skinny' - again kinda shocked me and I just laughed it off and the topic changed.


Restaurant date girl throws some shit tests but I feel I was able to respond fairly well and we ended the night on good terms. We arrange to get a taxi but we live in opposite directions. I've tried to invite myself over to the girls' place on a few occasions after a date and each time have failed- so with the restaurant girl I decided to just wait and see if she invited me and If not I would just make my own way home. And that's what happened last night, but my plate phoned me when I was in the taxi and invited me for a booty call! So at least I didn't go to sleep with blue balls but today I still feel like I didn't achieve my mission with the restaurant girl.

Will continue conversations on wechat and try and push for an invite over to her place. The conversations online are pretty sexual and she knows what I want but last night just didn't seem like the right mood for me to invite myself to her place. We'll see how it pans out and please do let me know what you think!

[HankMoody]

(10-15-2017 08:21 AM)Gas Wrote:  

Apologies on hijacking your thread, just this is a similar sitch and I didn't think it deserved its own thread:

I was text flirting with an 18 year old and things were fine, defnitely felt I was getting somewhere, then a few days later she referred to me as a "friend" which I just ignored.

Then she asked me for advice on some silly shit and I said ask someone else.

She said, "cmon, we're bffs right?"

And I said, "No."

Then she said "Why not?"

And I tried to think of something clever but I had nothing. Gimme something my dudes!

Don't ever, ever, ever say "we're not friends" or deny being "friends."

I don't know where that "wisdom" originated in the manosphere, but it's simply not correct. It does the opposite of build comfort.

Decent answers are:

"LOL" (I never use this in conversation, but sometimes it's appropriate)
"BFF?" [Picture of Biff from Back to the Future]
"BFF?" [Burger Fries Friends picture]
[Non-sequiter] "I had lunch at [Steak House] yesterday. Their fries are awful."

Just blow it off. A non-sequiter is always acceptable, or just completely changing the subject is just as good. Sometimes I just don't respond for hours, and then send something totally unrelated. (i.e., hours later, "When did [part of the city] become so lame?")

But if you say "We're not friends", it's a complete turnoff to them.

Trust me, I've made this mistake.