[RiderKnight]

I understand that drama is something that women and effeminate men want. What is drama?

[Leonard D Neubache]

In this context it is the act of creating a problem where none previously existed, largely out of an ego-driven desire for attention, negative as that attention may be.

It's also a feminine means to force out competition, establish pecking orders and solidify a support base.

[Sgt]

I am not so sure whether beta men really want drama - to me they seem to prefer conflict avoidance.

Regarding women, in addition to what Leonard said drama also serves women as a test to see how their partner can hold up in a conflict (if he falters he is bad partner material)

[Baphomet]

(11-16-2017 09:41 AM)Sgt Wrote:  

I am not so sure whether beta men really want drama - to me they seem to prefer conflict avoidance.

Regarding women, in addition to what Leonard said drama also serves women as a test to see how their partner can hold up in a conflict (if he falters he is bad partner material)

"Beta" men do not want drama. "Beta" men do not have the understanding of frame, nor of male/female relationship positioning, in order to avoid being sucked into the attention whore's pit of drama.

[TheMaleBrain]

Check out my article on drama reduction
May be of some assistance

[Jetset]

Leonard's simple definition works.

For the female of the species, having all sorts of urgent problems is a tactic to pressure men to give her resources, validation, and attention. The beta male does not understand the tactic and falls into the trap, trying to help her with her imaginary problems.

Watch any "Chick Crack"-style television series or movie to see this illustrated, intended for an audience that has zero self-awareness. The reason men don't take an interest in these shows is because it's enraging to watch a woman _____ when she could _____ if only she would stop _____. For a woman, watching the female lead get dumped, beaten, evicted, and fired while having plausible deniability for all of her idiotic mistakes is their fantasy life realized right there on the screen.

[questor70]

Yes. The female standard script is one of passive martyrdom followed by some deus ex machina of Prince Charming. Think Cinderella.

[scrambled]

This thread more educational than four years of high school.

[blck]

(11-16-2017 06:17 AM)RiderKnight Wrote:  

I understand that drama is something that women and effeminate men want. What is drama?

Women need drama to fill their void inside.
Effeminate men don't seek drama, they just want what should be called "safe conflict" when you can "fight" but nobody get a broken nose or lose a tooth.



Anyway I'll quote one of the great comments of XXL about this subject:

(06-11-2014 03:08 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Normal way:
You cause drama unintentionally by doing whatever the fuck you want in everyday life and you give less of a fuck about it cause you know very well that girls crave all emotions, negative ones too so in the end they're "happy" how you make them feel.

For example, you go hang out with your buddies and tell her last minute about it. Or you try to go on a trip with her as a surprise and when she's not down you storm out and decline her calls. Or tell her she's been dressing lame clothes lately. So this way you don't need to analyze it since being "untamed" by default alone causes enough of it.


Adept way:
You let your girl initiate a scene first (she will, girls can't live in a harmony like men) and then you amplify the whole thing so that she gets her fix. So when a girl gets cranky for some weird reason or even for no reason at all you recognize she needs some negative emotions so instead of sitting down to talk you give it to her hard, you strike back, blame her etc. So it's like you wait for her to start shit to throw that shit back at her, hard. At least she gets what she wants when she wants. Not bad.


Advanced way:

[Dalaran1991]

All has been said, but I must add that drama is a very powerful tool for alpha man. Beta men would crumble at the merest disagreement, let alone drama.

Personally, the "alpha stoic" guys do less well with women than the "alpha unpredictable" guys, because the latter use drama to his great advantage, in ways explained in the quoted XXL's post above.

Most men avoid conflict, which explains the epidemic of cheating. At the slight disagreement from their girlfriends, most men either cede ground or compromise. Wrong. A man who can fight isn't afraid of conflict even though he doesn't seek it.

So in the same vein, she throw some shit at you, you throw back a nuclear bomb. Not for newbie though.

Leonard said it elsewhere, but the ideal rythm to keep a woman happy is: content - discontent - drama - fight - anger - domination - make up sex - content

Just be careful you dont be a bitch during drama. "How could you do this while I did everything for you" is weak as fuck. "I though you are different, but it turns out you are just a shallow and pitiful bitch, just like any girl in this city", or "why are you acting up? what is it that you are hiding" are Heartise-approved.

If anyone manage to pull out drama game IN PUBLIC, please post a datasheet. That shit if done right is the climax in a girl's life, but that's way above my paygrade.

[Robert Augustus Masters]

(11-19-2017 07:57 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

Leonard's simple definition works.

So a guy thinks her headache is due to the half-a-nail taped to her head?

What a fool!

[Jetset]

(11-24-2017 06:44 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Personally, the "alpha stoic" guys do less well with women than the "alpha unpredictable" guys, because the latter use drama to his great advantage, in ways explained in the quoted XXL's post above.

This is something I have room to improve on, personally.

I know it works because the times I've done it, I've gotten remarks about it leaving an impression that I "can be like that", but I'm not sure how to harness this weapon.

Quote:

"I though you are different, but it turns out you are just a shallow and pitiful bitch, just like any girl in this city", or "why are you acting up? what is it that you are hiding" are Heartise-approved.

Is there a link for this?

(11-24-2017 07:00 AM)Robert Augustus Masters Wrote:  

So a guy thinks her headache is due to the half-a-nail taped to her head?

What a fool!

Half-a-nail? Taped?

This is a woman. It's at least 50/50 she went into the garage and hammered a real one into her own head just so she could talk about it.

[RatInTheWoods]

"You let your girl initiate a scene first (she will, girls can't live in a harmony like men) and then you amplify the whole thing so that she gets her fix. So when a girl gets cranky for some weird reason or even for no reason at all you recognize she needs some negative emotions so instead of sitting down to talk you give it to her hard, you strike back, blame her etc. So it's like you wait for her to start shit to throw that shit back at her, hard. At least she gets what she wants when she wants. Not bad."

This is a nugget of gold, and I learned and perfected this over many years.

Not all women are drama queens, but a lot of them are.

I accidently came about this magical technique of dealing with drama/shit tests because I just couldn't be bothered dealing with a hot Russian LTRs constant drama scenes.

So when she triggered on, I would turn it around on her, create a reason to be twice as pissed off as her, and either throw her out or go ghost for a week.

After a week in the wilderness, she was golden and loving and much quality sex was provided again..... Until a few weeks later when she needed her drama fix again.

I'd basically just blow it up, fuck her off and go do my own thing for a week, get the week off lol. Much easier than "talking about it" and definitely effective in making her love you again.

An example would be like this:

Her - (looking to start shit) I SAW YOU LOOKING AT HER! YOU DON'T LOVE ME!!!!

Me - You don't trust me, and there can't be love without trust, I just can't be with someone who doesn't trust me! (storms off for a week)



bitches be crazy.

[TheMaleBrain]

Taken from my article:
"Lesson 3: Initiate drama
I call this one “Fighting fire with fire”. Chicks crave drama? Let’s give her some, on your own terms. Although it seems counterproductive, it is very efficient. My method is to choose a topic, which is meaningful to me, and initiate drama by starting a “semi-fight”. My preconditions are:

1. Don’t start a fight on a big event that I’m invested in on in the very near future (e.g., going to a show which I was waiting for).
2. I must be feeling well (well rested, relaxed and replete).
3.There has been no drama for a while.

If those are met, and a trigger is pulled, I initiate drama. I may get tactically angry, call her on her behavior and even bring up patterns of her actions from the past. Yes, I flip the script. By doing this, you give her the drama she was craving, but on your own terms. Bonus is make up sex and re-establishing your hand."

[questor70]

(11-25-2017 10:10 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Her - (looking to start shit) I SAW YOU LOOKING AT HER! YOU DON'T LOVE ME!!!!
Me - You don't trust me, and there can't be love without trust, I just can't be with someone who doesn't trust me! (storms off for a week)

This is the sort of stuff I used to deal with in my ex. I basically held her to the standard I'd want to see in LTR material (a NAWALT unicorn, basically). When she acted needy with too much texting and I didn't give her the supplication she wanted she'd accuse me of not caring enough about her. So it forced me to turn it around and call her on her neediness and then say it was a showstopper. Rather than just shrugging her shoulders and disappearing, however, it made her want to win me back that much more, hence she'd lay low for a while and then come back begging and pleading.

I guess the reason I'm relating this anecdote again is...I am really hoping that impulse to fall into breakup/makeup is just for women who don't think they have any better options, because when I decide to break up, I really mean it.

[SlickyBoy]

(11-16-2017 09:53 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 09:41 AM)Sgt Wrote:  

I am not so sure whether beta men really want drama - to me they seem to prefer conflict avoidance.

Regarding women, in addition to what Leonard said drama also serves women as a test to see how their partner can hold up in a conflict (if he falters he is bad partner material)

"Beta" men do not want drama. "Beta" men do not have the understanding of frame, nor of male/female relationship positioning, in order to avoid being sucked into the attention whore's pit of drama.

To be fair, he did say effeminate men, not betas. Though bad with women, most betas are not effeminate, but it does make sense that men who are (i.e., homosexuals) would respond to and use drama the same way as a female would.

[Baphomet]

(11-27-2017 12:37 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 09:53 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 09:41 AM)Sgt Wrote:  

I am not so sure whether beta men really want drama - to me they seem to prefer conflict avoidance.

Regarding women, in addition to what Leonard said drama also serves women as a test to see how their partner can hold up in a conflict (if he falters he is bad partner material)

"Beta" men do not want drama. "Beta" men do not have the understanding of frame, nor of male/female relationship positioning, in order to avoid being sucked into the attention whore's pit of drama.

To be fair, he did say effeminate men, not betas. Though bad with women, most betas are not effeminate, but it does make sense that men who are (i.e., homosexuals) would respond to and use drama the same way as a female would.

Oh... I thought the thread title was - "What is "drama" and why do betas want it?"

I probably need stronger glasses.

[Vill@in]

(11-24-2017 06:44 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Personally, the "alpha stoic" guys do less well with women than the "alpha unpredictable" guys, because the latter use drama to his great advantage, in ways explained in the quoted XXL's post above.

I am definitely more of the former.

I really need to work on my 'drama game' and wish we had more threads on it. I think the advice is sound, but my problem is actually knowing when to pull that drama trigger. I always feel like a bitch and that inner voice inside of me just keeps saying who gives a fuck? Because I really don't.

But it is a powerful weapon to use to your advantage.

[Dalaran1991]

(11-27-2017 03:58 PM)Vill@in Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 06:44 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Personally, the "alpha stoic" guys do less well with women than the "alpha unpredictable" guys, because the latter use drama to his great advantage, in ways explained in the quoted XXL's post above.

I am definitely more of the former.

I really need to work on my 'drama game' and wish we had more threads on it. I think the advice is sound, but my problem is actually knowing when to pull that drama trigger. I always feel like a bitch and that inner voice inside of me just keeps saying who gives a fuck? Because I really don't.

But it is a powerful weapon to use to your advantage.

Well there are certain phrases/words you can use to up the drama, but unless you are a naturally high drama guy, I'm not sure if it's worth all the trouble.

Drama = headache for low drama guys, while high drama guys like myself get a high from it. It's one of the tools in your disposal. If you find it tiring there are better tools around.