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Seoul Korea - a brief update
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Seoul Korea - a brief update

It's been almost twenty - yes, twenty -years since I've been in Seoul as a US military member. Thought I'd post a few thoughts about it since I'm back here for a brief business meeting.

Back then, social media didn't exist, foreigners outside of a few select areas were uncommon, and the smartest phone you could get was a pager. As a twenty-something guy with a modicum of Korean language skills, gaming was not difficult at all. It was possible to do without Korean language skills, but it still took a little effort - a lot of my meathead American military buddies were intimidated and clueless as to what to do without their "Camaro and douchebag" game they relied on back home.

At the most, they would venture to foreigner friendly-ish areas in Seoul not far from the main American military base like Itaewon which attracted Korean women looking for foreign dick and perhaps a husband. Unfortunately, associating with them limited what I could do and accessible venues, so I did the "pretend I'm a Canadian English teacher" game to access venues ordinarily prohibited to US servicemen. With the right dress, demeanor and haircut, it often worked. Once I picked up a decent level of Korean language skills, the lays got even easier no matter where I went.

Though I am only here for a couple of days, I suspect my approach would be different a) because I'm older and rely more on social / professional circle game and b) because the game landscape here changed. Walking through the city I still got plenty of IOIs and struck up a few conversations that could easily have turned into number closings and possibly SNLs with better logistics and time constraints. As for some of the changes:

Whats the same:

- Korean women are still mostly skinny and feminine
- Plenty of them are still interested in foreigners
- Public transport is great
- Some places still won't accept foreigners
- Gangam is still a popular nightlife spot for both Koreans and non-Koreans
- Itaewon is still popular with foreigners
- Many Korean men have no game and are outwardly passive

What's changed:

- Korean women are glued to their smartphones
- Korean women are even more materialistic
- K-pop is influencing their style; 26 year olds dressing like 13 year olds.
- Public transport is even better and more extensive
- Fewer problems with places not friendly to foreigners, but also because now I'm older/not military; choosing different venues.
- Gangnam is even more expensive/trendy/foodie/western, but very popular night spot
- Southern part of the city - south of the river - is more up and coming. North = "old" city
- Itaewon - the night life, anyway - is more gay/tranny/disgusting. This used to be prime hunting ground for the new foreigner looking for his flag. Now? Avoid.
- Korean men are aping a weird K-pop/Justin Bieber look. Not masculine at all.
- Homosexuals and even trannies are more common, but not commonplace. Yet...
- Chains have taken over everything, but it's not all bad. The presence of Starbucks created more independent coffee shops slinging good java. No such thing years ago.

Example A:

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The girl on the left is wearing heels and looks good, but once on the train I noticed she was also a lot older - close to 40. The one on the right is about 26, wearing the typical sneakers/K-pop footwear, though at least she's thin and wearing a skirt. Hopefully she still has a few sets of heels for going out at night.

The brown-burnt hair look is still popular as it was twenty years ago. They should just stop trying to color it and leave it gorgeous black, but that's my opinion.

Example B:
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Smartphones have taken over; zombies everywhere. Young, old - nobody is safe. Not sure about nowadays, but I number closed a few women on the subway years back with very little effort, and they did not flake. With the right approach it could probably still work.

I think charisma, language and foreign game can get you pretty far in Korea. For those in doubt, have a look at this guy - no idea who he is - close this woman in the subway. He sounds like an absolute retard and almost tried to fuck it up, but if he can get a number acting like this in Seoul, you probably can too.






Anyway, my two cents on the passage of time in one of my old favorite spots.
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Seoul Korea - a brief update

Awesome write up.
Korean girls are my favorite!!
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Seoul Korea - a brief update

In Korea I only do MILFs so I don't have to worry about the K-pop thing. But yeah, it's getting more expensive and less farang-friendly.
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Seoul Korea - a brief update

Quote: (11-09-2017 05:31 AM)HardcoreSexpatMotherfucker Wrote:  

In Korea I only do MILFs so I don't have to worry about the K-pop thing. But yeah, it's getting more expensive and less farang-friendly.

Less?! Not sure about that - one thing I noticed is how many more Koreans speak basic levels of English. Maybe it's from Youtube, Netflix, etc. but regardless it is a hell of a lot easier to get around now than it used to be.

Couple that with apps, GPS, cheap travel and I think even in the face of smartphone zombies an average guy could still do ok here in spite of the few Koreans who still can't stand foreigners.

That said, it does take time and cultural understanding to make it work in Korea - it's definitely not the place to go for a week or two and expect to rack up a stack of SNLs. One good thing is that the social scene is a lot more varied now. I would have never imagined Koreans getting into craft beers, but that's a thing now, as are high end cocktail bars and of course, they still love their clubs. You don't have to know as much Korean as before, but of course it helps tremendously.
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Seoul Korea - a brief update

As a Korean myself who was there for almost first 10 years in my life, I will bite.

Korean girls are the HARDEST girls to LAY in Asia in my experience.
Their social conditioning is still pretty hardcore.
I also noticed that Korean guys (living in Korea, not the Americanized ones) are super passive aggressive and will cock-block you hardcore or pussy out of approaching/talking to chicks. It was never really in between.

Beta males and Omega males every where. The 90/10 rule applies very easily and can be noticed easily in public.

I don't know if you had similar experiences, but some girls can be very brutal when they reject guys.
Looks are pretty much everything and MONEY is also emphasized a lot. The hypergamy is real in Korea.

However, they are still very beautiful and I will keep pursuing them.

"Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
- Heat

"That's the difference between you and me. You wanna lose small, I wanna win big."
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Seoul Korea - a brief update

Quote: (11-10-2017 10:10 AM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

As a Korean myself who was there for almost first 10 years in my life, I will bite.

Korean girls are the HARDEST girls to LAY in Asia in my experience.
Their social conditioning is still pretty hardcore.
I also noticed that Korean guys (living in Korea, not the Americanized ones) are super passive aggressive and will cock-block you hardcore or pussy out of approaching/talking to chicks. It was never really in between.

Beta males and Omega males every where. The 90/10 rule applies very easily and can be noticed easily in public.

I don't know if you had similar experiences, but some girls can be very brutal when they reject guys.
Looks are pretty much everything and MONEY is also emphasized a lot. The hypergamy is real in Korea.

However, they are still very beautiful and I will keep pursuing them.

I definitely did not have similar experiences. Back then, if you were a white guy, you were good; if you spoke the language, you were god. Things have changed a lot but overall I still think if I wound up back here for an extended period of time it wouldn't be difficult to get back into the rhythm.

Odd thing is, back then fewer Koreans spoke English, but there were also fewer foreigners in the country and most were concentrated in a few small areas outside Seoul. Couple being a young decent looking foreign guy with an environment full of curious young Korean females and it was the perfect storm.

Now, it seems like everybody speaks at least a little bit of English, but thanks to cheap travel, the Internet and smartphones, foreigners are everywhere if not physically than virtually. End result is even though getting around has never been easier, to set yourself apart you need more versus less language skills to get anywhere with local women.

Your experience sounds a lot like that of many Korean-Americans I knew while stationed there. The other day I met a Canadian kid who grew up in Vancouver. He speaks very little Korean but is over here for work. Says he gets on much better with the expats than the locals but can still pull the odd Korean girl now and again - I am guessing with considerable effort. After talking with him a bit, it was apparent his problem isn't his ethnicity or lack of language, it's just bad game and supplicating moves - he got cheated on, he's not alpha enough, spends too much money on them, way too needy, etc.

People think it would be easier for an ethnically Korean guy to get lays, but something just doesn't add up in the hamster minds of Korean chicks. They understand a completely foreign guy, but someone who is half way between probably fucks up their processing.

Anyway I think you've got the right attitude for Seoul - it's all about numbers, especially in a city of over ten million people. It's not only bigger than NYC, but so is the eligible population of females in the target group. On average, there are many more slimmer, more feminine and desirable women to approach. If you did nothing but day game, you could easily hit six different parts of the city and do ten approaches a week without breaking a sweat. Get good with the language and throw in some night game and your odds will go up. Forget those cock blockers with the Justin Bieber haircuts and skinny jeans - they can't be everywhere the women are.
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