[GymBro]

One thing I’ve noticed is that in the Anglosphere, a lot of women have a fetish for black men. I’ve seen many women in bars and clubs turn down facially aesthetic Asian and brown men in favor of black men with average and even ugly faces.

It’s almost as if facial features don’t matter for black men. Just being tall and muscular is enough for black men.

My theory is that in English speaking countries, black men are “halod“ by sports, music and white guilt for slavery factor. On the other hand women outside of the Anglosphere are less exposed to Western media, and consequently don’t see black men in the same light. They are mor likely to judge a guy on his individual merits vs. what the media them to believe about specific races.

Do this extend to other countries? Do women in Brazil (with a significant black population) or Europe feel the same way? Would they turn down a handsome ethnic man over a muscular black man with an average face?

Thoughts?

[Geomann180]

I don't have a good theory, but I know it was heavily pushed in (((porn))) since 2004ish.

G

[N°6]

Pop culture. The alpha bad boy before the Pill era was James Dean, now its the MTV pimp, gangsta and ESPN sports star.

The guilt factor is relevant. Women are not only the choosers and those who rock the cradle, they are also those who bring the oppressed Moses' out of the bulrushes to elevate to power in their image.

[BoiBoi]

I don't know about other regions of the world, but being black puts you in disadvantage in almost every country in Latin America. There it is associated with poverty, crime, etc.

[jselysianeagle]

GymBro - I would say that I've certainly observed at least some of what you've stated.

Anglo culture is largely dominated by American culture, and no other minority group (Asians/Latinos/Indians) has had as much of an impact on the culture in the US as African Americans. From music (jazz, rap, hip hop) to sports (football, basketball) to politics and society (MLK/Malcolm X and the civil rights movement) - the breadth and depth of their contribution is undeniable. And because American culture has now gone global, I think our black brothers get to enjoy at least some of the positives that come along with it. When abroad they are often seen as quintessentially American.

The other crucial thing is their depiction in movies and the media - whether positive or negative - is undeniably masculine. This stands in stark contrast to guys like Aziz Ansari, Ken Jeong etc. who've made strides for sure but are definitely not what mainstream culture would regard as alpha. Indians especially don't have any kind of sexy cultural persona whatsoever, at least so far in their relatively young history in the west. There is no equivalent of a Denzel Washington/Will Smith/insert-famous-sports-star etc yet among Asians and Indians here. (Bruce Lee was ages ago).

There's also the simple but overlooked issue of being seen as an outsider vs native. I think in the mainstream culture many still view Asians/Indians as Asian/Indian first, American/English/Canadian/what-have-you second.

And finally, yes, as No6 pointed out, it's been pushed in popular culture in recent years as well.

I don't know about other parts of the world, but I do have some black friends who've done really well in some places in Latin America.

[N°6]

(10-28-2017 03:25 AM)BoiBoi Wrote:  

I don't know about other regions of the world, but being black puts you in disadvantage in almost every country in Latin America. There it is associated with poverty, crime, etc.

Although this forum discusses hypergamy a lot, there are times when women's sexual choices ignore perceived status in favour of the tingles.

Women can afford to ignore status when they have secured survival elsewhere (welfare state, husband, student loans, living with parents etc) or when they don't plan to reproduce (the Pill).

Anglophone women's lives are comparable to those of minor medieval noblewomen and Romans. When women are spoiled, as Ovid noted, their sexual choices become indiscriminate.

[azulsombra]

(10-28-2017 02:26 AM)GymBro Wrote:  

One thing I’ve noticed is that in the Anglosphere, a lot of women have a fetish for black men. I’ve seen many women in bars and clubs turn down facially aesthetic Asian and brown men in favor of black men with average and even ugly faces.

It’s almost as if facial features don’t matter for black men. Just being tall and muscular is enough for black men.

My theory is that in English speaking countries, black men are “halod“ by sports, music and white guilt for slavery factor. On the other hand women outside of the Anglosphere are less exposed to Western media, and consequently don’t see black men in the same light. They are mor likely to judge a guy on his individual merits vs. what the media them to believe about specific races.

Do this extend to other countries? Do women in Brazil (with a significant black population) or Europe feel the same way? Would they turn down a handsome ethnic man over a muscular black man with an average face?

Thoughts?

OP is under 100 posts and already has 2 race threads.....

Take race out of the equation.

Tall and muscular dudes of ANY race can outpull short skinny soy boys. Many women value a strong masculine physique over a pretty boy face.

When you talk about black men here you specifically qualify tall and muscular dudes. You arent even comparing average dudes vs average dudes.Tall and muscular is not limited to the black race by any means. If you think ugly muscle bros of ANY race are outpulling your superior facial aesthetics there is an easy solution, get in the gym and start outlifting them.

[thedarkknight]

All I know is I’ve had several Pakistani chicks in the UK admit attraction to me and several came directly from Pakistan.

As roosh said in one of his videos on YouTube, most women do not like blacks and find them ugly but within any population there will be a percentage who will find them attractive and will have a very strong attraction. Countries vary on the percentage for various reasons.

Another book called models, had a chapter on race. The author wrote that Blacks polarise the most. Most women think we are hideous but the ones who do have a primal, uncontrollable sexual attraction.

As we all know, moderate is not an advantage for sexual attraction. Extremity is good and any phenotype which is extreme will polarise more than moderate.

TDK

[Kieran]

Maybe media has something to do with it, but if you go to a venue where black guys are operating in the UK you will see a high level of game compared to what you see in a white venue - confident, direct and smooth, whereas a lot of young guys of other races are a bit weak in their approaches (not all of course). Most will be making an effort with their fashion and physique too. A lot of my social circle is black and mixed and I'm glad I grew up around them and went to black venues growing up because being able to get girls was highly valued, and it was far more competitive and made me better than I would have been.

[thedarkknight]

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[Fortis]

Azul beat me to it. A tall, muscular dude is imposing and women like imposing men over dainty dudes with pretty faces. The former can definitely beat the tar out of the latter, no matter the race. Also, the former can defend the woman better.

Not rocket science.

[realologist]

I never get these threads. Who cares if she doesn't like Asians, other brown men and likes black men. That means you need to up your game.

To me, you know you got it when chicks say things like
"I don't normally like _______ guys, but I like you."
"I've never dated a _______ guy before you."

That should be your goal. Not worrying about who other people are fucking.

[Constitution45]

I think black men do very well in the U.K. They tick all the boxes of what is acceptable in post modern culture, and U.K is post modernism personified. On top of that they just approach, where as a lot of white men need to get ridiculously drunk to pull it off. And then there are others who just don't approach end of.

[Banna]

(10-28-2017 06:27 AM)realologist Wrote:  

I never get these threads. Who cares if she doesn't like Asians, other brown men and likes black men. That means you need to up your game.

To me, you know you got it when chicks say things like
"I don't normally like _______ guys, but I like you."
"I've never dated a _______ guy before you."

That should be your goal. Not worrying about who other people are fucking.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Lol just last Saturday got that "I don't normally" line from a white girl newly arrived from Alberta.

I was like: "fuck this broad being caught up on whether I'm white or not" even though she was groping my balls and could've been taken down. It's funny that I have a "white girl" from Alberta that had 0 reservations about being plowed despite that she'd never been with a non white guy before herself. I ain't got time to coerce for any broad that even for a second openly is on the fence about me because of race.

Fuck you!

Shit I'm tall, black and muscular and it often works against me......women automatically ask if I'm currently or some former athlete and get visibly disappointed when the realization is I'm just a average joe living an average mundane life happens to put in a lot of work at the gym.

At the end of the day who gives a damned what other guys are pulling? I've seen guys I'm in better shape probably look better than pulling the baddest broads that I'm not even pulling.

Toronto is a "winner take all loser gets what's left of the spoils city" in terms of women.

Even last night I observed a group of 5 Somalian guys, they probably were worst dressed than anyone else there and were repeatedly blown out of the water......but these guys were persistent and probably opened every woman in the club at some point that wasn't with a guy.

I fucking respect that! That's how you end up eventually scoring someone. As in basketball.....you keep shooting to eventually get out of a slump. Pouting about who don't like you will get you nowhere fast....especially in a notorious city as Toronto.

What's ironic is OP is Indian or 'brown' himself and those are by FAR the women that isolate themselves from other races more than any other in the city of Toronto.

This guy is obsessed with being seen in a good light by white women.

[Il Bersagliere]

If you are a prototypical black male, your looks don't matter much.

If you are ambiguous but are still black, you better be good looking. Just my observations.

[GymBro]

(10-28-2017 03:35 AM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

GymBro - I would say that I've certainly observed at least some of what you've stated.

Anglo culture is largely dominated by American culture, and no other minority group (Asians/Latinos/Indians) has had as much of an impact on the culture in the US as African Americans. From music (jazz, rap, hip hop) to sports (football, basketball) to politics and society (MLK/Malcolm X and the civil rights movement) - the breadth and depth of their contribution is undeniable. And because American culture has now gone global, I think our black brothers get to enjoy at least some of the positives that come along with it. When abroad they are often seen as quintessentially American.

The other crucial thing is their depiction in movies and the media - whether positive or negative - is undeniably masculine. This stands in stark contrast to guys like Aziz Ansari, Ken Jeong etc. who've made strides for sure but are definitely not what mainstream culture would regard as alpha. Indians especially don't have any kind of sexy cultural persona whatsoever, at least so far in their relatively young history in the west. There is no equivalent of a Denzel Washington/Will Smith/insert-famous-sports-star etc yet among Asians and Indians here. (Bruce Lee was ages ago).

There's also the simple but overlooked issue of being seen as an outsider vs native. I think in the mainstream culture many still view Asians/Indians as Asian/Indian first, American/English/Canadian/what-have-you second.

And finally, yes, as No6 pointed out, it's been pushed in popular culture in recent years as well.

I don't know about other parts of the world, but I do have some black friends who've done really well in some places in Latin America.

Good insight. It's ironic that black women do not benefit from this whatsoover. Goes to show how malleable female attraction really is.

It really hit home last night. I'm a dark brown guy. Yesterday I jokingly tried to convince two local Toronto white girls that I was black.

"I'm black"
"You're brown as f**k"

I later saw her making out with an older black guy who looked like a primate.

I even asked her friend and she admitted she found me more facially handsome, yet the girl still chose the less facially aesthetic black guy over a handsome dark Caucasoid.

I also think it's a distinctly Anglo phenomenon as women from Latin America and Europe are far more magnanimous towards me. It's generally women from the English-speaking world that give me the hardest time ("he's handsome" vs. "eww brown guy"). The Anglo SMP is truly upside down bizarro land.

[azulsombra]

(10-28-2017 10:23 AM)GymBro Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 03:35 AM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

GymBro - I would say that I've certainly observed at least some of what you've stated.

Anglo culture is largely dominated by American culture, and no other minority group (Asians/Latinos/Indians) has had as much of an impact on the culture in the US as African Americans. From music (jazz, rap, hip hop) to sports (football, basketball) to politics and society (MLK/Malcolm X and the civil rights movement) - the breadth and depth of their contribution is undeniable. And because American culture has now gone global, I think our black brothers get to enjoy at least some of the positives that come along with it. When abroad they are often seen as quintessentially American.

The other crucial thing is their depiction in movies and the media - whether positive or negative - is undeniably masculine. This stands in stark contrast to guys like Aziz Ansari, Ken Jeong etc. who've made strides for sure but are definitely not what mainstream culture would regard as alpha. Indians especially don't have any kind of sexy cultural persona whatsoever, at least so far in their relatively young history in the west. There is no equivalent of a Denzel Washington/Will Smith/insert-famous-sports-star etc yet among Asians and Indians here. (Bruce Lee was ages ago).

There's also the simple but overlooked issue of being seen as an outsider vs native. I think in the mainstream culture many still view Asians/Indians as Asian/Indian first, American/English/Canadian/what-have-you second.

And finally, yes, as No6 pointed out, it's been pushed in popular culture in recent years as well.

I don't know about other parts of the world, but I do have some black friends who've done really well in some places in Latin America.

Good insight. It's ironic that black women do not benefit from this whatsoover. Goes to show how malleable female attraction really is.

It really hit home last night. I'm a dark brown guy. Yesterday I jokingly tried to convince two local Toronto white girls that I was black.

"I'm black"
"You're brown as f**k"

I later saw her making out with an older black guy who looked like a primate.

I even asked her friend and she admitted she found me more facially handsome, yet the girl still chose the less facially aesthetic black guy over a handsome dark Caucasoid.

I also think it's a distinctly Anglo phenomenon as women from Latin America and Europe are far more magnanimous towards me. It's generally women from the English-speaking world that give me the hardest time ("he's handsome" vs. "eww brown guy"). The Anglo SMP is truly upside down bizarro land.

[GymBro]

(10-28-2017 08:58 AM)Banna Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 06:27 AM)realologist Wrote:  

I never get these threads. Who cares if she doesn't like Asians, other brown men and likes black men. That means you need to up your game.

To me, you know you got it when chicks say things like
"I don't normally like _______ guys, but I like you."
"I've never dated a _______ guy before you."

That should be your goal. Not worrying about who other people are fucking.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Lol just last Saturday got that "I don't normally" line from a white girl newly arrived from Alberta.

I was like: "fuck this broad being caught up on whether I'm white or not" even though she was groping my balls and could've been taken down. It's funny that I have a "white girl" from Alberta that had 0 reservations about being plowed despite that she'd never been with a non white guy before herself. I ain't got time to coerce for any broad that even for a second openly is on the fence about me because of race.

Fuck you!

Shit I'm tall, black and muscular and it often works against me......women automatically ask if I'm currently or some former athlete and get visibly disappointed when the realization is I'm just a average joe living an average mundane life happens to put in a lot of work at the gym.

At the end of the day who gives a damned what other guys are pulling? I've seen guys I'm in better shape probably look better than pulling the baddest broads that I'm not even pulling.

Toronto is a "winner take all loser gets what's left of the spoils city" in terms of women.

Even last night I observed a group of 5 Somalian guys, they probably were worst dressed than anyone else there and were repeatedly blown out of the water......but these guys were persistent and probably opened every woman in the club at some point that wasn't with a guy.

I fucking respect that! That's how you end up eventually scoring someone. As in basketball.....you keep shooting to eventually get out of a slump. Pouting about who don't like you will get you nowhere fast....especially in a notorious city as Toronto.

What's ironic is OP is Indian or 'brown' himself and those are by FAR the women that isolate themselves from other races more than any other in the city of Toronto.

This guy is obsessed with being seen in a good light by white women.

I'm brown and in a younger age bracket. Most of the success I've had has been with foreign or non-white Canadian women - European, Asian, Latin etc.

I've had very little success with native born Toronto white women. You'd think the fact that this supposedly liberal bastion in Canada would help, but that just hasn't been my experience.

I'd try and locate the nearest brown community and try and find women through those channels. Another option is to seek out non-Canadian women in Toronto. The shared sense of being an outsider can actually work in our favor, as it has for me in the past.

You must understand - Asians and Indians simply do not possess the kind of cultural cachet/persona as do people of other races (black guys like you). Stereotypes abound, but more problematically, there are plenty of Indians to go around in Toronto who readily exemplify them. 7-11 cashiers, the large number of fresh-off-the-boat IT workers, taxi drivers etc.

I may well be a great catch, but by the time I've overcome all the negative perceptions in a girl's head, she will likely have been propositioned by 10+ other guys, each of whom had the benefit of starting from a much less encumbered status (in her mind) than I did.

[thedarkknight]

(10-28-2017 10:31 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 10:23 AM)GymBro Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 03:35 AM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

GymBro - I would say that I've certainly observed at least some of what you've stated.

Anglo culture is largely dominated by American culture, and no other minority group (Asians/Latinos/Indians) has had as much of an impact on the culture in the US as African Americans. From music (jazz, rap, hip hop) to sports (football, basketball) to politics and society (MLK/Malcolm X and the civil rights movement) - the breadth and depth of their contribution is undeniable. And because American culture has now gone global, I think our black brothers get to enjoy at least some of the positives that come along with it. When abroad they are often seen as quintessentially American.

The other crucial thing is their depiction in movies and the media - whether positive or negative - is undeniably masculine. This stands in stark contrast to guys like Aziz Ansari, Ken Jeong etc. who've made strides for sure but are definitely not what mainstream culture would regard as alpha. Indians especially don't have any kind of sexy cultural persona whatsoever, at least so far in their relatively young history in the west. There is no equivalent of a Denzel Washington/Will Smith/insert-famous-sports-star etc yet among Asians and Indians here. (Bruce Lee was ages ago).

There's also the simple but overlooked issue of being seen as an outsider vs native. I think in the mainstream culture many still view Asians/Indians as Asian/Indian first, American/English/Canadian/what-have-you second.

And finally, yes, as No6 pointed out, it's been pushed in popular culture in recent years as well.

I don't know about other parts of the world, but I do have some black friends who've done really well in some places in Latin America.

Good insight. It's ironic that black women do not benefit from this whatsoover. Goes to show how malleable female attraction really is.

It really hit home last night. I'm a dark brown guy. Yesterday I jokingly tried to convince two local Toronto white girls that I was black.

"I'm black"
"You're brown as f**k"

I later saw her making out with an older black guy who looked like a primate.

I even asked her friend and she admitted she found me more facially handsome, yet the girl still chose the less facially aesthetic black guy over a handsome dark Caucasoid.

I also think it's a distinctly Anglo phenomenon as women from Latin America and Europe are far more magnanimous towards me. It's generally women from the English-speaking world that give me the hardest time ("he's handsome" vs. "eww brown guy"). The Anglo SMP is truly upside down bizarro land.

If he’s struggling, he can get a nice punjabi girl in Toronto. Since they don’t (cant?) date outside their community .Number two, all else fails, he can get an arranged marriage.Number three he can try some BBC, since he’s fascinated with black guys.

Cry baby.

[Heart Break Kid]

So because there is a few white women who may prefer black over white, this means that it is an Anglo phenomenon? This literally exist every where...it's called jungle fever. In most countries that the roosh community obsesses over, being white is considered more attractive than being black.


Ugly and black at the same time seems like a death sentence in the anglosphere, that's not an advantage at all.

Jungle fever is a niche thing, as all types of fetishes generally are. Yes, they exist outside of Anglosphere - they exist in every continent. I've plowed Asian women who only like me because I am black, and Asia is probably the most luke warm about blacks out of all the continents.

[Goldin Boy]

(10-28-2017 10:33 AM)GymBro Wrote:  

I'm brown and in a younger age bracket. Most of the success I've had has been with foreign or non-white Canadian women - European, Asian, Latin etc.

I've had very little success with native born Toronto white women. You'd think the fact that this supposedly liberal bastion in Canada would help, but that just hasn't been my experience.

I'd try and locate the nearest brown community and try and find women through those channels. Another option is to seek out non-Canadian women in Toronto. The shared sense of being an outsider can actually work in our favor, as it has for me in the past.

You must understand - Asians and Indians simply do not possess the kind of cultural cachet/persona as do people of other races (black guys like you). Stereotypes abound, but more problematically, there are plenty of Indians to go around in Toronto who readily exemplify them. 7-11 cashiers, the large number of fresh-off-the-boat IT workers, taxi drivers etc.

I may well be a great catch, but by the time I've overcome all the negative perceptions in a girl's head, she will likely have been propositioned by 10+ other guys, each of whom had the benefit of starting from a much less encumbered status (in her mind) than I did.

So you live in T-Dot. You only game in T-Dot. You have trouble gaming and banging White girls in T-Dot. You see some White girls in T-Dot hooking up with Black men. Based off of this, all White women everywhere must have fetish for Black men?

There's a OkCupid study that says just the opposite(so Jewish programming that Geoman swears is real isn't effective). Search for it, it's been posted on the forum, on average Black men are the least desired(not talking about guys with game) of the major racial groups, at least online.

Your posts in thread come off as if you want someone to validate your idea that the problem is everyone else and not you. White girls have been trained by Jewish media to love black cock, that's it! You're perfect as you are! Everyone else is fucked up.

Re: the bolded. You're young so you probably don't know this: Like sharks can detect blood in water, women can detect a man's insecurities. I think you're opening those sets expecting to get blown out since you're 100% sure that White women don't like you. You're blowing yourself out before you open and probably kicking half-assed game.

And you're not a good catch, and won't be, until you get over these racial hang-ups you think are holding you back. Or if Toronto is really that bad, move somewhere else.

/Rant
*Dude is probably a troll so I just wrote all this for nothing...

[thedarkknight]

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[jselysianeagle]

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[jselysianeagle]

(10-28-2017 10:33 AM)GymBro Wrote:  

I'm brown and in a younger age bracket. Most of the success I've had has been with foreign or non-white Canadian women - European, Asian, Latin etc.

I've had very little success with native born Toronto white women. You'd think the fact that this supposedly liberal bastion in Canada would help, but that just hasn't been my experience.

I'd try and locate the nearest brown community and try and find women through those channels. Another option is to seek out non-Canadian women in Toronto. The shared sense of being an outsider can actually work in our favor, as it has for me in the past.

You must understand - Asians and Indians simply do not possess the kind of cultural cachet/persona as do people of other races (black guys like you). Stereotypes abound, but more problematically, there are plenty of Indians to go around in Toronto who readily exemplify them. 7-11 cashiers, the large number of fresh-off-the-boat IT workers, taxi drivers etc.

I may well be a great catch, but by the time I've overcome all the negative perceptions in a girl's head, she will likely have been propositioned by 10+ other guys, each of whom had the benefit of starting from a much less encumbered status (in her mind) than I did.

You fucktard... this was a post I made a long while ago, and you're trying to pass it off as your own? Geez you're fuckin lame

Mods please ban this fucktard

[Striking]

What about the Brown man fetish for White women?

We should all undoubtedly date those that look like us - that's the natural way - otherwise you're just compensating for your insecurities. Even George Clooney who's considered White, ended up marrying an Arab, because that's the woman he sought looked like and matched him. One or two skin tones lighter than yourself should be ideal, as women are naturally lighter than men.


Be proud of who you are and your look.